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Fisking Conventional Complaint

Buying a house was the worse decision I have ever made.

he didn't just buy a house. he bought into a conventional life.

I have been working since I was 14, I'm 30 now, married and with a kid.

house, wife, kid, career.

he bought into a bunch of things, not just the house.

I would have had $100,000 or more saved up by now if I never got married, didn't have a child, or bought a house and tie myself down to a 30 years mortgage.

he must have known that houses, wives and kids are expensive. he thought it'd be worth it.

now he's complaining about something he saw coming as if it's news.

he's not thinking about the REAL problem. what went wrong that he didn't expect? what was the SURPRISE problem? what violated his expectations? what isn't what he thought he was signing up for? spending 6 figures doesn't answer any of that.

I regret so much marrying her, I regret so much having a child...and I regret so much buying a house. Before I use to do whatever I want...whenever I want.

he must have known about the loss of freedom associated with having Adult Responsibilities, being a Bread Winner, and so on. that's soooo well known.

maybe he didn't think very hard about what it'd be like. but he did know about it. he sounds irresponsible. and he managed to get taken by surprise by some mix of 1) stuff everyone including him already knows about 2) some other stuff he doesn't want to think about or say or even try to look for.

Now I can't even quit my shitty job and have to suck it up to asshole employees that think they are highly above you.

another very well known issue.

If I never met her, never got married to her, never had a child, never bought this house, I would be so much happier and so much more free.

he doesn't want to take responsibility for his choices.

if he never met her he would have married someone else. he would have done the same lifestyle.

not meeting her would not address his own mistakes.

Why were we fed with the fact that getting married, having a kid, owning a house, is the right way to live?

better question: why did you believe it? why did you judge it to be true? and how does your conventional life differ from your expectations? what actually went wrong?

did you never see how you could be happy with a conventional life, but not think about it much and just assume it'd work out somehow since everyone recommends it? if so, you're REALLY bad at some major things. work on that. if you don't, you'll keep making lots of bad decisions for the rest of your life too.

I wish I could go back in time and should've broken up with her when I had the chance.

but then you would have dated someone else. it wouldn't fix your bad ideas.

I fucked up my own life.

yes you did. it was you, not the happenstance of meeting this particular female and the happenstance of not having a breakup.

And tomorrow...I will have to wake up to drag myself into a 2 hours commute

why do you have a 2 hour commute? lots of conventional people do better than that.

maybe your problem is you just suck at stuff? maybe you're shitty at life, be it in the conventional mold or not? since you not only set things up with a house and a 2 hour commute, but also you hate that.

to a shitty job that I can't quit because I have a mortgage to pay and a child to feed. If I never met her I would be fucking freed from all this bullshit

this guy is so thoughtless. he would have met other females.

and do whatever the fuck I want.

i don't think he knows what he wants. he just doesn't like his life and wants to blame his circumstances, not himself.

he means if he was living in different circumstances that'd solve his problems. he's denying the need to think, to change, to problem solve...

things are going to continue to go badly for him.

I wouldn't have to worry about the projects that's due for my boss, or waking up 6:30 in the morning to catch that fucking bus

the reason you don't have a car is not that you chose a conventional life and got married. plenty of married conventional people have a car. you're blaming the wrong things.

to commute a 2 hours ride to a shitty desk job and to fake these fucktards that expects everything they requested to be completed and handed back to them in the next hour, WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE ASSHOLE, I DON'T FUCKING WORK FOR YOU. Then I go tell my boss and he just tells me to get it done and move on.

interacting with your boss in ways conventionally considered "being a whiny bitch because you're a spineless loser who can't deal with his coworkers" is not a good idea. and, realistically, what does he expect his boss to do about this?

Money does not buy happiness,

dude, you don't have a car. you don't have much money.

you say this like you got rich but aren't happy. but you're poor.

if you had money you could buy a car and quit your job and stay home and do a lot more of what you wanted. if you got rich, your wife wouldn't mind if you spent a ton of time chilling, hanging out, whatever. it actually would solve a bunch of your problems.

if I can choose again I would rather make $20,000 a year and rent a $500 basement like I used to and live the fuck out of my life.

what does he actually want to do with his life? i wonder if it involves trying to meet women and pursue sexual relationships with them...

I don't need all this, I don't want all this. I want my original life back.

you mean the life of an unmarried man with no house who thought to himself "i want a wife and a house"? that's the life you want? you seem to be ignoring the problem there. that life led to where you are now!

I feel like I'm just a dead soul in a living body. I used to be lively and had that flame and dreams, those slowly died once I aged and my wife tells me my dreams are not dreams...and I should just focus on better myself in education and get a better job and higher pay. But she doesn't know me, she doesn't know what I really want inside.

what dreams? why, really, didn't you do them?

why, if you cared about these dreams, did you marry someone who doesn't respect them? did you even tell her your dreams and plans, and get her to agree to them, before marrying her?

I know she's doing this for the best of us

no she's not. she doesn't want you to risk her finances (which she cares about a great deal) for your happiness (which isn't her priority).

but whenever I mention my dream job...she would shoot it down and become very unsupportive. Sometimes I have suicide thoughts and I would just think of ways to commit suicide. No one knows this and I don't want to tell anyone I know because I don't want to explain it to them. Sometimes I just wanna jump off a building and be freed from all these....things that's complicating my life...I just want a simple life...

he's right to be scared to mention suicide to people. our society treats it a lot like a crime.


Elliot Temple on February 6, 2016

Messages (16)

I don't understand him. He can still divorce. Sell the house.

Or just disappear. Pretend he dies. Start over somewhere else.


Anonymous at 9:27 AM on February 7, 2016 | #4924 | reply | quote

> he's right to be scared to mention suicide to people. our society treats it a lot like a crime.

it treats it like a crime. you can be hospitalized and "treated" against your will.


Anonymous at 9:29 AM on February 7, 2016 | #4925 | reply | quote

> I don't understand him. He can still divorce. Sell the house.

He might not be much better off afterward. He may still have to pay for his wife and children. Also, in many places if he starts earning more then he has to pay more to his former family, and if he then loses that better job he'll still be on the hook for the higher amount. Getting divorced can be an extremely bad situation.

> Or just disappear. Pretend he dies. Start over somewhere else.

I think you'll find that's kinda difficult. You need ID for lots of stuff, like getting a legal job.


Anonymous at 1:38 PM on February 7, 2016 | #4930 | reply | quote

>> I don't understand him. He can still divorce. Sell the house.

>

> He might not be much better off afterward. He may still have to pay for his wife and children. Also, in many places if he starts earning more then he has to pay more to his former family, and if he then loses that better job he'll still be on the hook for the higher amount. Getting divorced can be an extremely bad situation.

He can earn less. Be poor. He didn't like to earn more anyway.

Is the US legal system very good at tracking fathers and force them to pay? Not like that in Europe.

>> Or just disappear. Pretend he dies. Start over somewhere else.

>

> I think you'll find that's kinda difficult. You need ID for lots of stuff, like getting a legal job.

Get a fake ID.

Don't have a conventional job.

Write an anonymous blog on how to escape your boring life and travel around the world. Lie to people "How I made millions and escaped my boring life."

Be homeless.

He doesn't seem to care for his kid at all. But given he is going to be an immoral fuck whatever he does, might as well try to live. What's the worse that can happen? Death?


Anonymous at 2:31 PM on February 7, 2016 | #4932 | reply | quote

Suicide

Why doesn't he go Switzerland and enjoy all he wants and then get himself killed in the euthanasia facility where they provide assisted suicide for everyone. Even if you are not sick.


Somename K Person at 7:37 PM on March 4, 2016 | #4996 | reply | quote

Why go to Switzerland? Assisted suicide sucks. Why does he need a doctor to kill himself? Why would he want to give a doctor the power to murder him? What if he changes his mind? Then he's spent a load of money for nothing. He could buy some drugs illegally and commit suicide that way.


Anonymous at 3:58 AM on March 5, 2016 | #5000 | reply | quote

How easy it is to obtain effective drugs illegally?

I'm assuming people look for euthanasia clinics because they expect to die painlessly and surely that way.


Anonymous at 4:09 AM on March 5, 2016 | #5004 | reply | quote

Failed Suicide Sucks !!

It is better to have a professional to do it for you. Failed Suicide is torture !!


Somename K Person at 10:41 PM on March 7, 2016 | #5024 | reply | quote

So your proposal is that because you're scared of taking responsibility for your own death, the best course of action is to make it legal for doctors to commit murder (aka assisted suicide). You want to endanger everyone else because you're too dumb to do research.


Anonymous at 2:02 AM on March 8, 2016 | #5033 | reply | quote

Could it be that what people want with assisted suicide is the approval of an authority?


Anonymous at 2:37 AM on March 8, 2016 | #5034 | reply | quote

Doctors !!

Doctors can't kill you without your permission and thorough procedure.


Someone at 3:05 AM on March 8, 2016 | #5035 | reply | quote

Assisted suicide

You can have preventionary measures to prevent misuse but please don't stop this great help that people can get to free themselves.


Anonymous at 3:08 AM on March 8, 2016 | #5036 | reply | quote

I enjoy the idea of suicide if it is done without pain and swiftly... The idea of not facing life and not aging or getting sick is wow... So great


Madam at 3:36 AM on March 8, 2016 | #5037 | reply | quote

> Doctors can't kill you without your permission and thorough procedure.

No. The doctors can't kill you without your signature. Doctors control the legal supply of pain medication, and are expected to show restraint in supplying it. According to drug laws, a doctor should be very reluctant to sign prescriptions for pain medication on pain of being convicted of being a drug dealer. So doctors have a legal obligation to torture you if you're in pain. If they don't torture you, they go to prison.

The "procedure" is that two doctors should agree that you should be killed (Section 3 §2) of

http://www.ethical-perspectives.be/viewpic.php?LAN=E&TABLE=EP&ID=59.

So if you're in a state run hospital and they want an empty bed, get ready to die.

There is a way to prevent all this. Repeal the laws requiring a prescription to get the relevant drugs. Then a person can do some research on his own and commit suicide on his own. Problem solved.


Anonymous at 3:42 AM on March 8, 2016 | #5038 | reply | quote

If I become rich & influential

If I become rich and can afford it.. I would buy a crematorium burner connected to a continuous flushing toilet. I would set the crematorium machine on timer then swallow some pills and go to sleep...Nobody should find my fucking body.. As soon as I die it will be burnt to ashes and then flushed down the toilet.. yooohoo.. That would be my choice of death than dying from suffering from 70-80-90 being immobile, sick and shit..


Anonymous at 4:15 AM on March 8, 2016 | #5039 | reply | quote

in your state of mind you are never going to become rich and influential.


Anonymous at 5:05 AM on March 8, 2016 | #5040 | reply | quote

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