curi blog comments http://curi.us/comments/recent Explanations for the curious en-us Interesting take on feminism curi Open Discussion Mon, 29 May 2017 18:27:01 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8689 http://curi.us/comments/show/8689 Anonymous [Excerpt] Here's a good demonstration that asking... Mon, 29 May 2017 12:15:21 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8688 http://curi.us/comments/show/8688 Anonymous Open Discussion
Democratic Socialism FTW!]]>
Mon, 29 May 2017 06:20:03 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8687 http://curi.us/comments/show/8687
curi Open Discussion
ppl can usually read stuff with no or wrong commas. unless it's a list. lists without commas are tough. look at this:

> I like Ayn Rand Karl Popper William Godwin Thomas Szasz and Ludwig von Mises.

some commas can be replaced with periods and you can still read it fine. even with the list, it'd be better to have a period after each name instead of nothing.

commas matter more with long sentences. the more complicated the sentence, the more it needs punctuation to organize it.

for periods, leaving them out is usually more confusing than with commas.

here is the general idea of writing.

a paragraph starts with a *topic sentence*. the whole paragraph then talks about that topic. if you want to talk about something else, make a new paragraph.

try to keep topics small. if you want to talk about a big topic, like abortion, don't write one giant paragraph. make paragraphs for specific parts. like you could talk about Planned Parenthood in one paragraph and whether abortion is murder in a different paragraph. or if you had a bunch of things to say about Planned Parenthood, then they could all be separate paragraphs.

sentences are little ideas to help build up to a paragraph topic. periods separate the little ideas.

paragraphs should usually have 1-5 sentences.]]>
Sun, 28 May 2017 23:02:02 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8686 http://curi.us/comments/show/8686
Anonymous Open Discussion >commas are small pauses and periods are big pauses.

so is it fine if i mess up commas and periods? does it matter much?]]>
Sun, 28 May 2017 22:50:00 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8685 http://curi.us/comments/show/8685
curi Open Discussion
> yeah, i'm pretty sure i can

you can write an FI post the same as a few IMs in a row.

> i just want to be able to write clearly to FI. and not have people have to ask what i mean all the time.

try it. and if you get asked what you mean a lot, then you can ask about how to write that stuff better. then you'll have example writing problems to discuss.

part of how you get better at it is practice.

> i don't know where to put the commas and periods.

commas are small pauses and periods are big pauses.

> why are long sentences bad?

they are more complicated. they take more work to write or read. they are way easier to mess up. people mess them up a lot.]]>
Sun, 28 May 2017 22:41:30 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8684 http://curi.us/comments/show/8684
Anonymous Open Discussion
i want to be able to write clearly. sometimes when i write it is just a mash of words that is hard understand.

this isn't just a problem with writing. i also have the same problem with talking.

>can you write IMs?

yeah, i'm pretty sure i can

>can you write how you talk outloud?

i mean i feel like anyone could. it just involves having to type the words you are saying. but then you have to actually add commas and periods. i don't know where to put the commas and periods.

i also have trouble figuring out how to say things outloud. so even if i write how i talk, that's not enough to make it easy for me to write.

>can you keep it simple? long sentences are bad. just don't write them.

why are long sentences bad?

i will try to write short sentences. i don't really see any problems with writing short sentences.

>the writing in your comment is pretty good. the sentences are pretty short. there's no big or obscure words. there's no commas, dashes, semi-colons, colons, or parenthesis 😀

i didn't write my comment. someone is helping me.

>lots of "proper" writing is *bad*. it's not focused on clarity. it's not about being easy to understand. it tries to sound smart.

that makes sense to me. i would like to be easy to understand. there doesn't really seem to be any point in trying to sound smart. unless you are trying to impress someone. like at a job interview or something.

>it sounds like you have some ideas about how you're supposed to post to FI. but they sound like normal ideas, not FI ideas. so maybe you're pressuring yourself to do writing stuff that we don't actually like anyway.

i just want to be able to write clearly to FI. and not have people have to ask what i mean all the time.

>if FI is hard for you, you could ask questions here.

i don't think this is any easier than FI]]>
Sun, 28 May 2017 22:36:11 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8683 http://curi.us/comments/show/8683
curi Open Discussion
why do you need to write proper sentences and paragraphs?

can you write IMs? can you write how you talk outloud?

can you keep it simple? long sentences are bad. just don't write them.

the writing in your comment is pretty good. the sentences are pretty short. there's no big or obscure words. there's no commas, dashes, semi-colons, colons, or parenthesis 😀

lots of "proper" writing is *bad*. it's not focused on clarity. it's not about being easy to understand. it tries to sound smart.

it sounds like you have some ideas about how you're supposed to post to FI. but they sound like normal ideas, not FI ideas. so maybe you're pressuring yourself to do writing stuff that we don't actually like anyway.

if FI is hard for you, you could ask questions here.]]>
Sun, 28 May 2017 21:10:10 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8682 http://curi.us/comments/show/8682
Anonymous Open Discussion Sun, 28 May 2017 21:00:17 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8681 http://curi.us/comments/show/8681 SOL Open Discussion Sun, 28 May 2017 20:49:05 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8680 http://curi.us/comments/show/8680 SOL Open Discussion Sun, 28 May 2017 19:49:29 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8679 http://curi.us/comments/show/8679 curi Open Discussion
You can repost it. If you don't have a copy, you can email me and I can provide it.

And if you want to argue "fuck you" is about rape, could you link e.g. 3 educational web pages explaining this important information and your position? That would serve several purposes: explaining what you're trying to say (you haven't reasonably explained it enough to expect unfamiliar people to get it), showing it's not an ad hoc position, maybe showing it's not as obscure an idea as people think it is, giving people the opportunity to review your case/reasoning/position and maybe be persuaded you're correct, and giving people the opportunity to criticize your reasoning (it could contain a mistake).]]>
Sun, 28 May 2017 18:37:00 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8678 http://curi.us/comments/show/8678
Anonymous Open Discussion Sat, 27 May 2017 04:31:55 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8677 http://curi.us/comments/show/8677 Anonymous Open Discussion Sat, 27 May 2017 02:43:50 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8676 http://curi.us/comments/show/8676 SOL Open Discussion
cuz i learn stuff. like when Alisa brought up the idea of “crimestop" i learnt that idea right then and there. then I was curious about it and went off and read “1984” for the first time. from that i learnt the “blackwhite" concept. the book also talked about “doublethink”, which i already knew about. I was then curious about how to solve the problem of someone doing “crimestop”. i wondered if it is something i do myself. i wondered how common it is even in free societies. very common was my guess. Alisa said she did it then i was curious for an example and also curious how she may have stopped herself doing it. that discussion turned into a bloody mess as you know. so then i’m thinking i’m not good at discussions or at asking questions or something. that also gets me curious about why people want to tell me to “fuck off” or “go to hell”. i never say that to people. ok, some deeply evil dude i might. but ordinary people in my life are just flawed people with good and bad ideas. they are the people who make countries like america awesome and don’t deserve to be told to go fuck off and die or whatever. i kinda went off on a tangent there but i’ll let it stand as i want to say it. back to the beginning: i learn stuff here.]]>
Sat, 27 May 2017 01:11:22 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8675 http://curi.us/comments/show/8675
Anonymous Open Discussion
Liar. You were bullying.]]>
Fri, 26 May 2017 23:57:35 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8674 http://curi.us/comments/show/8674
Anonymous Open Discussion Fri, 26 May 2017 22:43:01 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8673 http://curi.us/comments/show/8673 SOL Open Discussion
Yes, it does.

> it's more like "go to hell."

Rationalisation for trying to pretend what you are saying is not as bad as it is.

> and in context it meant "go to hell for trying to deny the reality of what i wrote." So it was condemning willful misinterpretation/evasion.

It was not wilful mistinterpretation. It was honest disagreement. “sooo much” is an exaggerated phrase people use to make out things are larger than they actually are.

> you're being willfully obtuse and profoundly intellectually dishonest here.

No, I’m not.]]>
Fri, 26 May 2017 22:38:23 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8672 http://curi.us/comments/show/8672
wtf? Anonymous Open Discussion
>it was to say my opinion is worthless and that i deserve to be raped for holding worthless opinions.

your entire comment is bullshit (inventing motives of other people) but the part i quoted is *ridiculous* bullshit.

why the fuck do you keep bringing rape into it?

you realize "fuck you" has nothing to do with rape? it's more like "go to hell."

and in context it meant "go to hell for trying to deny the reality of what i wrote." So it was condemning willful misinterpretation/evasion.

you're being willfully obtuse and profoundly intellectually dishonest here.]]>
Fri, 26 May 2017 21:30:16 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8671 http://curi.us/comments/show/8671
SOL Open Discussion
no I'm not trivilalizing rape. you are. in the context, "fuck you" was intended to hurt me. it was intended to provoke my emotions, to make me feel scared and bad. it was to say my opinion is worthless and that i deserve to be raped for holding worthless opinions.

you defend this. that's contemptible.]]>
Fri, 26 May 2017 21:20:28 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8670 http://curi.us/comments/show/8670
SOL Open Discussion
when someone says "fuck you" how should I read it? what is that person doing if not wanting to threaten violence?

> Then never post here (or on FI) again while angry.

I'm not angry.]]>
Fri, 26 May 2017 19:31:28 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8669 http://curi.us/comments/show/8669
SOL Open Discussion
interrogate: “Ask questions of (someone) closely, aggressively, or formally.”

you're suggesting I'm aggressive. you're a lying trouble-maker.]]>
Fri, 26 May 2017 19:26:39 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8668 http://curi.us/comments/show/8668
curi Open Discussion
Take a break for a few days to calm down.

Then never post here (or on FI) again while angry.]]>
Fri, 26 May 2017 18:40:15 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8667 http://curi.us/comments/show/8667
SOL Open Discussion
> no, i meant what i said. fuck you.

you escalate to "fuck you" just like that. seriously, you want to rape me for not agreeing?]]>
Fri, 26 May 2017 18:29:47 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8666 http://curi.us/comments/show/8666
Anonymous Open Discussion
you interrogated Alisa instead of discussing the issue. at length. Alisa was extraordinarily patient and responsive. you controlled the conversation and ran it into the ground.

you're extremely dishonest. you had every opportunity to talk about crimestop and didn't.]]>
Fri, 26 May 2017 02:25:14 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8665 http://curi.us/comments/show/8665
Anonymous Open Discussion
no, i meant what i said. fuck you.]]>
Fri, 26 May 2017 02:23:47 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8664 http://curi.us/comments/show/8664
SOL Open Discussion
exaggeration about the amount. there is a problem here. Alisa brought up the issue of "crimestop" then doesn't want to discuss. she's avoiding my questions about it. like I asked if she discussed and solved her crimestop problem. that would be interesting to discuss but she wants to discuss meta. is this crimestop in action?]]>
Fri, 26 May 2017 02:20:55 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8663 http://curi.us/comments/show/8663
Anonymous Open Discussion
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/fallible-ideas/conversations/messages/20939]]>
Thu, 25 May 2017 19:59:38 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8662 http://curi.us/comments/show/8662
SOL Open Discussion
The answer was:

> So I think I had the wrong idea about how helpful you were prepared to be and misjudged the context.

if i had guessed you were just gonna say there are examples somewhere on FI list i might have initially asked more specifically for one that was clearly identified and discussed. i had the implicit idea that you had given me more help than you had. i had the idea that you pointed me to FI list because there were clear identified examples which had been discussed. btw, this is not a complaint. i have nous enough to go find these things.

am I correct about why I didn't ask? or is there some other reason I didn't ask?]]>
Thu, 25 May 2017 14:30:10 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8661 http://curi.us/comments/show/8661
Anonymous Open Discussion
> You said to look through your FI-list discussions with Elliot.

I said that in response to your request for an example where I do crimestop myself. You still didn't answer the question.]]>
Thu, 25 May 2017 07:06:14 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8660 http://curi.us/comments/show/8660
SOL Open Discussion
You said to look through your FI-list discussions with Elliot. That is not to give an example but to say in a vague way how to *find* an example. If the examples on the list are clearly identified then no problem. If not, then I have to dig and my interpretation of what is an example will be different to yours. That is, you haven't actually given any unambiguous example. So I think I had the wrong idea about how helpful you were prepared to be and misjudged the context.

Given I now think you don't want to be very helpful, I won't ask for the above in #8658. I'm happy to go dig.]]>
Thu, 25 May 2017 00:33:16 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8659 http://curi.us/comments/show/8659
Alisa Open Discussion
Then why didn't you ask for that?]]>
Wed, 24 May 2017 22:11:02 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8658 http://curi.us/comments/show/8658
Anonymous Open Discussion
I was expecting posts which had an example where you crimestopped and someone identified and discussed that problem. Have you discussed it? Have you solved it? If so, how?]]>
Wed, 24 May 2017 21:57:36 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8657 http://curi.us/comments/show/8657
Alisa Open Discussion Wed, 24 May 2017 20:11:46 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8656 http://curi.us/comments/show/8656 Alisa Open Discussion
>>>> Yes.

>>> can you give an example?

>> Look through my FI-list discussions with Elliot.

> I searched with the keyword "crimestop". Nothing turned up.

How is that relevant? You asked me for examples of when I *do* crimestop myself, not for posts where I discuss it.]]>
Wed, 24 May 2017 20:09:54 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8655 http://curi.us/comments/show/8655
SOL Open Discussion
I searched with the keyword "crimestop". Nothing turned up. Given you introduced the term here I didn't expect it to. I'm guessing the idea gets discussed but not named as such in threads about anti-rational memes and TCS-coercion?]]>
Wed, 24 May 2017 18:08:28 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8654 http://curi.us/comments/show/8654
Unmysterious J Open Discussion
http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/266719/icelandic-leftist-poisons-robert-spencer-robert-spencer


2. Evil Georgetown professor harasses alt-right guy at gym and gets his gym membership cancelled

https://www.buzzfeed.com/tasneemnashrulla/richard-spencer-gym?utm_term=.muvGvzz1NK#.tsw5A00XgD

(note: Richard Spencer's views on race/etc are super bad. But people shouldn't be harassed like this by shrieking libs while peacefully going about their life...)

more on this evil bitch, she's apparently a serial doxxer: http://www.mrctv.org/blog/distinguished-georgetown-prof-spreads-personal-info-political-opponents-intimidate-them


3. Evil U of Hawaii professor tells white male professors to quit their jobs or exist in perpetual moral slavery to people like her:

http://www.dailywire.com/news/16659/racist-professor-tells-white-men-quit-or-be-hank-berrien

I thought this bit of writing from the prof was especially interesting when considered from an Objectivist perspective:

>I know you’re not going to quit your job, but I want you to understand that you should. And to understand that by keeping your job and your other unearned privileges, you are running a continued debt to marginalized people and you should always be seeking ways to pay us back. Not to alarm you, but statistically speaking you are the problem. Your very presence. I can’t tell you what is the best strategy for you to stop blocking my path. I can just ask that you please get out of my way.



4. Some people want to invoke the 25th amendment to remove Trump and that's really dangerous. (Note Krauthammer not exactly a Trump fan -- pretty hostile -- but still realizes this would be a disaster:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-guardrails-cant-contain-trump/2017/05/18/987e4fa4-3bee-11e7-a058-ddbb23c75d82_story.html?utm_term=.824ac204e021

>Republicans are beginning to panic. One sign is the notion now circulating that, perhaps to fend off ultimate impeachment, Trump be dumped by way of 25th Amendment.

>That’s the post-Kennedy assassination measure that provides for removing an incapacitated president on the decision of the vice president and a majority of the Cabinet.

>This is the worst idea since Leno at 10 p.m. It perverts the very intent of the amendment. It was meant for a stroke, not stupidity; for Alzheimer’s, not narcissism. Otherwise, what it authorizes is a coup — willful overthrow by the leader’s own closest associates.

>I thought we had progressed beyond the Tudors and the Stuarts. Moreover, this would be seen by millions as an establishment usurpation to get rid of a disruptive outsider. It would be the most destabilizing event in American political history — the gratuitous overthrow of an essential constant in American politics, namely the fixedness of the presidential term (save for high crimes and misdemeanors).


5.. Man from Burundi doing his Master's in Accounting in the US flees to Canada as "refugee"

https://twitter.com/therebeltv/status/865886325446066177



6. Trump called the Manchester terrorists evil losers. he is correct!

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/23/politics/trump-manchester-remarks/index.html?adkey=bn


7. Is cultural marxism taking over mainstream conservatism?

http://www.vdare.com/articles/yes-virginia-dare-there-is-a-cultural-marxism-and-its-taking-over-conservatism-inc

>Not only does Cultural Marxism exist, but it now appears to be taking over Conservatism Inc. Thus even with Paris burning, National Review was still attacking to the Right. In the second round of the French election, Tom Rogan urged a vote for Emmanuel Macron on the grounds Marine Le Pen is insufficiently hostile to Vladimir Putin and is a “socialist” because she “supports protectionism.” Macron’s actual onetime membership in the Socialist Party, and his view that there was no such thing as French culture, apparently was not a problem [French election: American Conservatives Should Support Macron, April 24, 2017].


gp @ the absurdity of supporting an actual socialist over a protectionist cuz of wanting to stop socialism.


8. Spanish Gen Y-ers are suing their parents for financial support

http://www.news.com.au/finance/money/costs/spanish-gen-yers-are-suing-their-parents-for-financial-support/news-story/c8e961fba92989b1337da45f1a8445be


9. Trump's conversation with Duterte has been leaked and its kinda funny in some parts:

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3729123-POTUS-RD-Doc.html#document/p1]]>
Wed, 24 May 2017 10:49:39 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8653 http://curi.us/comments/show/8653
Alisa Open Discussion
>> Yes.

> can you give an example?

Look through my FI-list discussions with Elliot.

> so a simple argument that would not present a problem in convo with you presents a problem in convo with Elliot Temple because his ideas cause crimestop? do i got it?

No.]]>
Wed, 24 May 2017 08:25:17 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8652 http://curi.us/comments/show/8652
SOL Open Discussion
> That humans are smaller than elephants.

pretty conventional. to hold the opposite you would be “crazy”.

>> What's an example of an idea in that spectrum where people disagree with you?

> That the Warriors are better than the Spurs.

not “crazy”.

>> Do you ever do crimestop yourself?

> Yes.

can you give an example?

>> If you're not expressing disagreements in a "simple and logical way" then I don't see how they can keep discussing without misunderstandings. How does that work?

> How is that relevant? I didn't say they can "keep discussing without misunderstandings." I said, they can keep discussing without

>>> doing things like "misunderstanding the simplest arguments”.

so a simple argument that would not present a problem in convo with you presents a problem in convo with Elliot Temple because his ideas cause crimestop? do i got it?

crimestop seems like a big problem. what’s the solution?

oh just googling and i see that scientology has something similar to crimestop called entheta.]]>
Wed, 24 May 2017 02:35:33 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8651 http://curi.us/comments/show/8651
Alisa Open Discussion
That humans are smaller than elephants.

> What's an example of an idea in that spectrum where people disagree with you?

That the Warriors are better than the Spurs.

> Do you ever do crimestop yourself?

Yes.

> If you're not expressing disagreements in a "simple and logical way" then I don't see how they can keep discussing without misunderstandings. How does that work?

How is that relevant? I didn't say they can "keep discussing without misunderstandings." I said, they can keep discussing without

>> doing things like "misunderstanding the simplest arguments".]]>
Tue, 23 May 2017 21:08:14 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8650 http://curi.us/comments/show/8650
SOL Open Discussion
What's an example of a pretty conventional idea you hold?

> Even when people disagree with me, my ideas are within the spectrum of things they are prepared to think about.

What's an example of an idea in that spectrum where people disagree with you?

> My position wouldn't be considered thoughtcrime by them, so they don't need to engage in crimestop in order to avoid thinking about it.

Do you ever do crimestop yourself?

I was curious about what else Orwell says about crimestop. Here's another passage:

> He set to work to exercise himself in crimestop. He presented himself with propositions--'the Party says the earth is flat', 'the party says that ice is heavier than water'--and trained himself in not seeing or not understanding the arguments that contradicted them. It was not easy. It needed great powers of reasoning and improvisation.

So crimestop requires a lot of creativity, at least at first. People are expending their creativity on not understanding. How sad.

> - I don't often express disagreements in a simple and logical way. So people can easily keep discussing with me without doing things like "misunderstanding the simplest arguments".

If you're not expressing disagreements in a "simple and logical way" then I don't see how they can keep discussing without misunderstandings. How does that work?]]>
Tue, 23 May 2017 20:21:28 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8649 http://curi.us/comments/show/8649
oh my god it's turpentine Taking Children Seriously Tue, 23 May 2017 14:09:01 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8648 http://curi.us/comments/show/8648 oh my god it's turpentine Taking Children Seriously Tue, 23 May 2017 14:07:25 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8647 http://curi.us/comments/show/8647 Alisa Taking Children Seriously
> The man, who had been estranged from his daughter for a decade, refused to support her while she continued her university studies — but was forced to do so by court order, and his bank accounts frozen when he failed to comply, The Telegraph reported.]]>
Tue, 23 May 2017 13:51:58 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8646 http://curi.us/comments/show/8646
Spanish Gen Y-ers are suing their parents for financial support Alisa Taking Children Seriously
> Under Spanish law, parents are required to support their children until they reach financial independence, with no age limit, and a string of cases in recent years has cemented the rule.]]>
Tue, 23 May 2017 13:43:32 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8645 http://curi.us/comments/show/8645
Alisa Open Discussion
- I don't often express disagreements in a simple and logical way. So people can easily keep discussing with me without doing things like "misunderstanding the simplest arguments".]]>
Tue, 23 May 2017 07:14:20 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8644 http://curi.us/comments/show/8644
SOL Open Discussion Mon, 22 May 2017 21:04:00 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8641 http://curi.us/comments/show/8641 Crimestop Alisa Open Discussion Mon, 22 May 2017 20:33:25 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8640 http://curi.us/comments/show/8640 SOL Open Discussion
And with you?]]>
Mon, 22 May 2017 19:54:29 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8639 http://curi.us/comments/show/8639
SOL By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult
why?]]>
Mon, 22 May 2017 17:55:13 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8638 http://curi.us/comments/show/8638
curi Open Discussion
i agree :(]]>
Mon, 22 May 2017 15:08:24 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8637 http://curi.us/comments/show/8637
Crimestop Alisa Open Discussion
"Crimestop" - a good word for a way of thinking people commonly exhibit when discussing things with Elliot Temple.]]>
Mon, 22 May 2017 15:05:23 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8636 http://curi.us/comments/show/8636
Anonymous By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult
> Are you claiming then that Islam is more dangerous? If so, what's the explanation for that?

i think that islam wouldn't be very dangerous without non-muslims helping islam kill non-muslims. so i think a bigger problem than islam is ideas non-muslims have about how to deal with islam.

> for the Islam deaths figure you quoted there is a lot of estimation going on. do you agree with how they've done that? have you checked the sources? I agree Islam has caused a great many deaths but is the 270 million figure something that would stand FI level scrutiny?

i haven't researched that.]]>
Mon, 22 May 2017 05:08:33 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8635 http://curi.us/comments/show/8635
SOL By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult
Are you claiming then that Islam is more dangerous? If so, what's the explanation for that?

for the Islam deaths figure you quoted there is a lot of estimation going on. do you agree with how they've done that? have you checked the sources? I agree Islam has caused a great many deaths but is the 270 million figure something that would stand FI level scrutiny?]]>
Mon, 22 May 2017 04:48:45 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8634 http://curi.us/comments/show/8634
Anonymous By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult
>> how many people died due to socialism?

>> how many people died due to Islam?

> What problem are you trying to solve?

i think the idea of islam is responsible for more deaths than the idea of socialism.

i already knew of islam's death count: ~270million. and this figure does not include muslim on muslim killing and also muslims killing exmuslims.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2014/05/the_greatest_murder_machine_in_history.html


i just did a search for deaths due to socialism. it numbers less than 150million.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/08/socialisms-death-count/


Socialism did it in a much shorter time though, like the last 100 years. compared to Islam's 1400 years.]]>
Mon, 22 May 2017 04:03:13 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8633 http://curi.us/comments/show/8633
SOL By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult
not really. I can offer some guesses. like maybe i have some image of myself and i’ll find out i’m not living up to that image and feel bad about myself or something. or maybe part of me is scared about change it could bring?]]>
Mon, 22 May 2017 01:29:34 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8632 http://curi.us/comments/show/8632
SOL By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult
> how many people died due to Islam?

What problem are you trying to solve?]]>
Mon, 22 May 2017 00:42:09 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8631 http://curi.us/comments/show/8631
SOL By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult
i don’t think i get disgusted at myself or hate parts of myself. maybe i’m wrong? wrote i wrote sounds like part of me in contempt of another part of me.

> it would help to change that disgust/hate to curiosity.

i like the idea of being curious about one’s own mind. i’m thinking whether i’m curious enough about my mind. i suspect not. i can see it’s very very common that people do not have curiousity about their own minds - they lost their curiousity growing up.]]>
Mon, 22 May 2017 00:39:19 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8630 http://curi.us/comments/show/8630
SOL By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult Sun, 21 May 2017 17:32:08 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8629 http://curi.us/comments/show/8629 SOL By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult Sun, 21 May 2017 17:30:00 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8628 http://curi.us/comments/show/8628 Anonymous By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult
> Socialism is a system where the individual is controlled by the collective by controlling wealth.

you ought to find a good statement from e.g. Mises.]]>
Sun, 21 May 2017 15:47:20 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8627 http://curi.us/comments/show/8627
Anonymous By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult
Socialism isn't just any form of collectivism. It's a specific thing.]]>
Sun, 21 May 2017 14:46:10 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8626 http://curi.us/comments/show/8626
Anonymous By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult
> explain

Socialism is a system where the individual is controlled by the collective by controlling wealth.

Islam is a system where the individual is controlled by the collective too. What is controlled? Wealth -- you're supposed to give 2.5% of your wealth each year, up to 20% for certain kinds of wealth. And thoughts.]]>
Sun, 21 May 2017 14:44:15 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8625 http://curi.us/comments/show/8625
Anonymous By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult
Do you know why you are scared of criticism?]]>
Sun, 21 May 2017 13:09:19 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8624 http://curi.us/comments/show/8624
Anonymous By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult
explain]]>
Sun, 21 May 2017 10:31:30 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8623 http://curi.us/comments/show/8623
Anonymous By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult
Islam is a type of socialism. So do you count the deaths from islam as deaths from socialism ?]]>
Sun, 21 May 2017 07:36:43 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8622 http://curi.us/comments/show/8622
Anonymous Open Discussion Sun, 21 May 2017 04:39:08 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8621 http://curi.us/comments/show/8621 Anonymous By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult
how many people died due to socialism?

how many people died due to Islam?]]>
Sun, 21 May 2017 04:34:31 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8620 http://curi.us/comments/show/8620
Anonymous By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult
why did you say "fucking"? maybe you're disgusted of it? hate it?

it would help to change that disgust/hate to curiosity.]]>
Sun, 21 May 2017 04:31:59 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8619 http://curi.us/comments/show/8619
Anonymous By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult Sun, 21 May 2017 02:29:28 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8618 http://curi.us/comments/show/8618 Anonymous By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult Sun, 21 May 2017 02:28:02 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8617 http://curi.us/comments/show/8617 Anonymous By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult Sun, 21 May 2017 02:12:29 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8616 http://curi.us/comments/show/8616 Anonymous By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult
yes, there is no good path for socialism. it is an horrifically bad idea. any socialist is a would-be tyrant. people in their millions died awful deaths in places like the Kolyma Peninsula and somehow, despite these ghastly atrocities, the idea of socialism survives and keeps coming back. it is responsible for more deaths than any other idea in history. as you said, it is authoritarian and cannot be otherwise. socialism cannot be allowed to get a grip on America. the free world would come to an end. the enlightenment would be in grave peril. unfortunately, too many americans don't understand this.]]>
Sun, 21 May 2017 01:55:28 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8615 http://curi.us/comments/show/8615
curi By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult
yes. also tons of them don't understand capitalism. and don't understand that socialism is authoritarian and incompatible with freedom *in all cases* (rather than just sucks in some cases but it could work if you got the details right with enough voting or the right rulers in charge or if you could just persuade people to be nicer or whatever).

and you know all the people who think Ayn Rand's ideas are "childish" or dumb or wouldn't work? they are revealing their own ignorance of her actual ideas. sometimes they know some of her conclusions but not her reasoning. but lots of times they just get her conclusions wrong too. like some people think she decided that business monopolies were an acceptable downside of capitalism that's worth the price in return for the various other benefits of capitalism. (she didn't ever say that? of course. people just make stuff up all the time, often relating to their own assumptions about how stuff works.)]]>
Sun, 21 May 2017 00:47:30 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8614 http://curi.us/comments/show/8614
Anonymous By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult
The only error correction I did was thinking about it in my own mind and I know that is a bad path forward.]]>
Sun, 21 May 2017 00:40:27 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8613 http://curi.us/comments/show/8613
Anonymous By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult Sun, 21 May 2017 00:34:48 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8612 http://curi.us/comments/show/8612 Anonymous By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult
> i often cut off communication with people cuz i get bored or am preoccupied with something else or am scared of criticism or can't be bothered replying or something

i missed something important didn't I? That'll be why I don't do "paths forward" right?]]>
Sat, 20 May 2017 23:48:35 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8611 http://curi.us/comments/show/8611
curi By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult
you seem to be blaming me for replying to what you wrote instead of what you meant.

it would have been better if you replied to what i wrote more literally. i asked 4 questions and you didn't give direct, literal answers to any of them. (though I guess you're intentionally avoiding answering what you do instead because it would receive criticism.)

> I think I know some stuff about it cuz I've read the blog post here, FI posts, and watched Alan Forester's youtube vid.

it's very easy to completely misunderstand it after doing that. errors are inevitable and you don't mention any error correction in your list of things you did.

in addition to knowing this for theoretical reasons (like the error correction argument), we can also observe it IRL. e.g. millions of Ayn Rand readers have badly misunderstood Objectivism.]]>
Sat, 20 May 2017 23:13:57 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8610 http://curi.us/comments/show/8610
Anonymous By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult
> what other stuff do you prioritize above reason/ideas/etc? why?

what stuff wouldn't involve reason/ideas/etc? i see social stuff might not. i avoid social.]]>
Sat, 20 May 2017 22:48:08 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8609 http://curi.us/comments/show/8609
curi By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult
why do you think you know it? what have you done to test that claim?

and knowledge of paths forward comes in degrees. not just you do or don't know it. maybe you know half of it but you don't know some parts and could learn more details for parts you do know.

> preoccupied with something else

what other stuff do you prioritize above reason/ideas/etc? why?]]>
Sat, 20 May 2017 21:23:46 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8608 http://curi.us/comments/show/8608
Anonymous By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult
my problem is living by it. example: i know "paths forward" but how good at it am I? shit. like i don't post to FI list. i read philosophical stuff but don't test my understanding by posting about it. i tend to be reclusive and let very few people get to know me and my ideas. i hate social stuff. i often cut off communication with people cuz i get bored or am preoccupied with something else or can't be bothered replying or something.

if u ain't living by philosophy u don't really know philosophy. i need to learn to live it more.]]>
Sat, 20 May 2017 21:11:13 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8607 http://curi.us/comments/show/8607
Anonymous Open Discussion Sat, 20 May 2017 20:40:01 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8606 http://curi.us/comments/show/8606 Anonymous By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult
related:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/266719/icelandic-leftist-poisons-robert-spencer-robert-spencer]]>
Sat, 20 May 2017 16:19:59 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8605 http://curi.us/comments/show/8605
Anonymous By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult Fri, 19 May 2017 23:52:36 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8604 http://curi.us/comments/show/8604 Anonymous By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult Fri, 19 May 2017 23:51:15 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8603 http://curi.us/comments/show/8603 Anonymous By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult
so? that is a non-answer]]>
Fri, 19 May 2017 23:38:55 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8602 http://curi.us/comments/show/8602
Anonymous By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult
> why not?

I love recursion lol.]]>
Fri, 19 May 2017 23:36:28 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8601 http://curi.us/comments/show/8601
Anonymous By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult
why not?]]>
Fri, 19 May 2017 01:06:57 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8600 http://curi.us/comments/show/8600
Anonymous By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult Thu, 18 May 2017 23:12:31 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8599 http://curi.us/comments/show/8599 curi By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult
have you done any of this?]]>
Thu, 18 May 2017 23:04:10 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8598 http://curi.us/comments/show/8598
Anonymous By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult
The problem is very difficult. Their need to impress and to lean on authority is so ingrained that solving the problem is tantamount to taking apart their mind and reassembling it.

The only real hope is finding people whose minds are not so broken. That Is also hard - children are not very accessible for example. Trying to spread good philosophical ideas in the culture in an easy to access way is the best approach I think. Most people are just gonna continue doing whatever they are doing but if you reach thousands and turn a few then the seed will blossom in time. The people you most need to reach are children.]]>
Thu, 18 May 2017 22:58:48 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8597 http://curi.us/comments/show/8597
Isabella Svott By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult Elliot Temple and Justin Mallone.]]> Thu, 18 May 2017 15:56:29 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8596 http://curi.us/comments/show/8596 Anonymous By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult
will you link some examples?]]>
Thu, 18 May 2017 14:44:41 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8595 http://curi.us/comments/show/8595
Anonymous By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult
☹️

how to fix?]]>
Thu, 18 May 2017 13:27:14 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8594 http://curi.us/comments/show/8594
Anonymous By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult Thu, 18 May 2017 13:14:46 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8593 http://curi.us/comments/show/8593 Anonymous By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult
But it *causes* criticism.

They try to protect themselves from conventional false criticisms instead of typical true criticisms that would be posted to FI. Doesn't make much sense...

Similarly they do get judged for this. It's a terrible strategy for FI. Maybe it'd work better on some other people.]]>
Thu, 18 May 2017 03:14:07 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8592 http://curi.us/comments/show/8592
Anonymous By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult
They want to give their words authority. They want to protect themselves from criticism. They want fake agreement. They want not to be understood. They are scared of being judged.]]>
Thu, 18 May 2017 01:55:24 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8591 http://curi.us/comments/show/8591
Anonymous By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult Mon, 15 May 2017 10:05:37 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8590 http://curi.us/comments/show/8590 curi By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult
Most people are bad at simple writing. DD is worse at it than me (and his books are worse at it than his IMs). i think DD was partially trying not to violate audience expectations. btw people care enough about shit like *lowercase letters*, and other casual stuff, to actually complain to me about it.

People in general put lots of work into trying to sound smart. even dumb, unimpressive people. like if you look at FI posts, you can see some posters ask short, simple questions. and then other posters are always writing something more complicated. they won't do it. they take whatever they write and fuck it up by adding complexity to make it fit what they think intelligent writing is like.]]>
Mon, 15 May 2017 08:09:23 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8589 http://curi.us/comments/show/8589
Anonymous By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult Mon, 15 May 2017 04:42:50 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8588 http://curi.us/comments/show/8588 Anonymous By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult
What an arse. He would have been anti-Trump had he been alive now. Even in his epistemology he had a tendency to drone on and use convoluted sentences. Random example from quick google search:

> This allows us to think of knowledge produced by men as analogous to the honey produced by bees: the honey is made by bees, stored by bees, and consumed by bees; and the individual bee which consumes honey will not, in general, consume only the bit it has produced itself: honey is also consumed by the drones which have not produced any at all (not to mention that stored treasure of honey which the bees may lose to bears or beekeepers).

Take a fucking breath man. And who uses two colons in a sentence as well as parentheses? Academic blowhards it seems.]]>
Sun, 14 May 2017 23:36:13 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8587 http://curi.us/comments/show/8587
curi By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult
Good liberals are people like Mises and Rand. Popper's politics was nothing like theirs.]]>
Sat, 13 May 2017 18:08:43 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8586 http://curi.us/comments/show/8586
Anonymous By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult
Yes. Freire was aware of Popper, references him and draws on some of his ideas. It's sad. Like Soros, Freire is an enemy of freedom. Freire's "Education as the Practice of Freedom" sounds good but he twists so the result is Marxism, not freedom.]]>
Sat, 13 May 2017 17:14:45 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8585 http://curi.us/comments/show/8585
Anonymous By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf5QKM81Z14]]>
Sat, 13 May 2017 08:50:26 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8584 http://curi.us/comments/show/8584
Elliot Temple By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult Sat, 13 May 2017 07:23:36 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8583 http://curi.us/comments/show/8583 By Any Means Necessary? No! Let's Bring Down BAMN By The Peaceful Legal Means Necessary Simon Harris By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult
By Any Means Necessary? No! Let's Bring Down BAMN By The Peaceful Legal Means Necessary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CuqaR85IEs&feature=youtu.be]]>
Sat, 13 May 2017 04:27:38 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8582 http://curi.us/comments/show/8582
Anonymous By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult
it's got some liberalism and anti-authority stuff.

ppl take bits of liberalism and bring them up when it favors some conclusion they want. it's very biased. they'll use a little liberalism here and there to serve their purposes, but they won't be consistent, principled liberals.]]>
Fri, 12 May 2017 23:17:41 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8581 http://curi.us/comments/show/8581
Anonymous By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult
Almost everyone is a socialist.

The schools are controlled by the left.

People don't like Ayn Rand.

People are tortured for the first 20 years of their lives to ruin their minds.]]>
Fri, 12 May 2017 23:14:39 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8580 http://curi.us/comments/show/8580
Anonymous By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult
http://www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon2/pedagogy/pedagogychapter2.html

> In the banking concept of education, knowledge is a gift bestowed by those who consider themselves knowledgeable upon those whom they consider to know nothing. Projecting an absolute ignorance onto others, a characteristic of the ideology)of oppression, negates education and knowledge as processes of inquiry. The teacher presents himself to his students as their necessary opposite; by considering their ignorance absolute, he justifies his own existence. The students, alienated like the slave in the Hegelian dialectic, accept their ignorance as justifying the teachers existence—but, unlike the slave, they never discover that they educate the teacher.
>
> The raison d'etre of libertarian education, on the other hand, lies in its drive towards reconciliation. Education must begin with the solution of the teacher-student contradiction, by reconciling the poles of the contradiction so that both are simultaneously teachers and students.
>
> This solution is not (nor can it be) found in the banking concept. On the contrary, banking education maintains and even stimulates the contradiction through the following attitudes and practices, which mirror oppressive society as a whole:
>
> the teacher teaches and the students are taught;
> the teacher knows everything and the students know nothing;
> the teacher thinks and the students are thought about;
> the teacher talks and the students listen—meekly;
> the teacher disciplines and the students are disciplined;
> the teacher chooses and enforces his choice, and the students comply;
> the teacher acts and the students have the illusion of acting through the action of the teacher;
> the teacher chooses the program content, and the students (who were not consulted) adapt to it;
> the teacher confuses the authority of knowledge with his or her own professional authority, which she and he sets in opposition to the freedom of the students;
> the teacher is the Subject of the learning process, while the pupils are mere objects.

Some of this sounds superficially like things TCS would say.]]>
Fri, 12 May 2017 22:32:22 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8579 http://curi.us/comments/show/8579
Anonymous By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult
http://www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon2/pedagogy/index.html

In this book, Che Guevera is spoken highly of. Eg:

> Even Guevara's unmistakable style of narrating his and his comrades' experiences, of describing his contacts with the "poor, loyal" peasants in almost evangelical language, reveals this remarkable man's deep capacity for love and communication. Thence emerges the force of his ardent testimony to the work of another loving man: Camilo Torres, "the guerrilla priest.”

To help develop his argument, Freire brings in Lenin:

> Lenin's famous statement: "Without a revolutionary theory there can be no revolutionary movement"1 means that a revolution is achieved with neither verbalism nor adtivism, but rather with praxis, that is, with reflection and action directed at the structures to be transformed. The revolutionary effort to transform these structures radically cannot designate its leaders as its thinkers and the oppressed as mere doers.

Marx gets referenced numerous times to develop a point. Eg:

> 11. This rigidity should not be identified with the restraints that must be imposed on the former oppressors so they cannot restore the oppressive order. Rather, it refers to the revolution which becomes stagnant and turns against the people, using the old repressive, bureaucratic State apparatus (which should have been drastically suppressed, as Marx so often emphasized).

Teachers College Columbia University gave Freire some prestigious award:

http://www.tc.columbia.edu/articles/2005/november/four-institutions-educators-receive-honor/

> The Center for Education Outreach & Innovation (CEO&I) of Teachers College at Columbia University today announced the four winners of its first annual Lifelong Learning Award: the Chautauqua Institution (and its president Thomas Becker), Brazilian educator Paulo Freire (posthumously), educator Maxine Greene and PBS (Public Broadcasting Service).

Martin Luther King, Jr., Middle School’s “Edible Schoolyard” has a link to some Freire-inspired school:

http://edibleschoolyard.org/program/paulo-freire-social-justice-charter-school-community-garden

“Edible Schoolyard” itself looks like an implementation of “critical pedagogy”. Director Kyle Cornforth’s resource list includes

http://www.conspireforchange.org/?page_id=4

This has things like Thanksgiving is a celebration of genocide. Her complete resource list is here:

http://edibleschoolyard.org/resource/edible-schoolyard-anti-oppression-resource-list-2016

Kyle Cornforth and Yvette Felarca don’t seem very dissimilar.

It’s very scary that Marxism and Critical Pedagogy are so mainstream in American schools. How is this stuff so popular?]]>
Fri, 12 May 2017 21:51:11 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8578 http://curi.us/comments/show/8578
Justin Kalef again Alisa Open Discussion
> Where people feel afraid to even discuss an issue philosophically, that issue will be resolved by whoever's authority is permitted to go unquestioned.]]>
Fri, 12 May 2017 09:08:57 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8577 http://curi.us/comments/show/8577
Anonymous By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult Thu, 11 May 2017 23:18:34 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8576 http://curi.us/comments/show/8576 Anonymous By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult Thu, 11 May 2017 23:10:29 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8575 http://curi.us/comments/show/8575 Anonymous Open Discussion
damn.

he wrote some good stuff.

approximately(?) all the universities are so fucked up now.]]>
Wed, 10 May 2017 10:31:09 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8574 http://curi.us/comments/show/8574
"Everything is Problematic" Alisa Open Discussion
> One way to define the difference between a *regular belief* and a *sacred belief* is that people who hold sacred beliefs think it is morally wrong for anyone to question those beliefs.

> Anti-intellectualism... manifests itself in the view that knowledge not just about what oppression is like, but also knowledge about all the ethical questions pertaining to oppression is accessible only through personal experience. The answers to these ethical questions are treated as a matter of private revelation. In the academic field of ethics, ethical claims are judged on the strength of their arguments, a form of public revelation. Some activists find this approach intolerable.

> Perhaps the most deeply held tenet of a certain version of anti-oppressive politics – which is by no means the only version – is that members of an oppressed group are infallible in what they say about the oppression faced by that group.

Author goes on to point out that some gay people may tell you that homosexuality is wrong, while other gay people will tell you it is fine.

> People who belong to oppressed groups are just people, with thoughts ultimately as fallible as anyone else’s. They aren’t oracles who dispense eternal wisdom. Ironically, this principle of infallibility, designed to combat oppression, has allowed essentialism to creep in. The trait that defines a person’s group membership is treated as a source of innate ethical knowledge. This is to say nothing about the broader problem of how you’re supposed to decide who’s a source of innate knowledge. Certainly not someone who innately “knows” that homosexuality is disgusting and wrong, but why not, if you’re simply relying on private revelation rather than public criteria?

> It is an ominous sign whenever a political movement dispenses with methods and approaches of gaining knowledge that are anchored to public revelation and, moreover, becomes openly hostile to them.

> Ever since I was a child, the pursuit of knowledge has felt like my calling. It’s part of who I am. I could never turn my back on it. At least not completely. And that was the crack through which the light came in.

> There is no shortcut that allows you to avoid thinking for yourself about oppression simply by deferring to the judgements of others. You have to decide whose judgements you are going to trust, and that comes to the same thing as judging for yourself.]]>
Wed, 10 May 2017 10:09:42 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8573 http://curi.us/comments/show/8573
Paul Griffiths on totalitarian "diversity training" Alisa Open Discussion
At Duke Divinity School, a message was sent to a wide distribution encouraging attendance at a "Racial Equity Institute Phase I Training". Professor Paul Griffiths replied to all with a message that discouraged attendance. A university administrator replied, falsely accusing him of racism, sexism, and bigotry.

Paul Griffiths' initial reply:

> I exhort you not to attend this training. Don’t lay waste your time by doing so. It’ll be, I predict with confidence, intellectually flaccid: there’ll be bromides, clichés, and amen-corner rah-rahs in plenty. When (if) it gets beyond that, its illiberal roots and totalitarian tendencies will show. Events of this sort are definitively anti-intellectual. (Re)trainings of intellectuals by bureaucrats and apparatchiks have a long and ignoble history; I hope you’ll keep that history in mind as you think about this instance.

> We here at Duke Divinity have a mission. Such things as this training are at best a distraction from it and at worst inimical to it. Our mission is to thnk, read, write, and teach about the triune Lord of Christian confession. This is a hard thing. Each of us should be tense with the effort of it, thrumming like a tautly triple-woven steel thread with the work of it, consumed by the fire of it, ever eager for more of it. We have neither time nor resources to waste. This training is a waste. Please, ignore it. Keep your eyes on the prize.

University administrator reply:

>It is inappropriate and unprofessional to use mass emails to make disparaging statements–including arguments ad hominem–in order to humiliate or undermine individual colleagues or groups of colleagues with whom we disagree. **The use of mass emails to express racism, sexism, and other forms of bigotry** is offensive and unacceptable, especially in a Christian institution.

Reply by Griffiths' colleague Thomas Pfau:

> Having reviewed Paul Griffiths’ note several times, I find nothing in it that could even remotely be said to “express racism, sexism, and other forms of bigotry.” To suggest anything of the sort strikes me as either **gravely imperceptive or as intellectually dishonest.**

Griffiths' follow-up:

> Intellectual freedom – **freedom to speak and write without fear of discipline and punishment** – is under pressure at Duke Divinity these days. My own case illustrates this. Over the past year or so I’ve spoken and written in **various public forums** here, with as much clarity and energy as I can muster, about matters relevant to our life together... I’ve reviewed these contributions, to the extent that I can (some of them are available only in memory), and I’m happy with them and stand behind them... What I’ve argued in these contributions may of course be wrong; that’s a feature of the human condition.

> Elaine Heath and Thea Portier-Young, when faced with disagreement, prefer discipline to argument. In doing so they act illiberally and anti-intellectually; their action shows totalitarian affinities in its preferred method, which is the veiled use of institutional power. They appeal to non- or anti-intellectual categories (‘unprofessional conduct’ in Heath’s case; ‘harassment’ in Portier-Young’s) to short-circuit disagreement.

> [T]he life of the mind... requires openness, transparency, and a willingness to engage.

Part of an email from Griffiths about the disciplinary proceedings that have been initiated against him:

> The complainant’s allegation, so far as I understand it from your brief report, is illiberal, anti-intellectual, and shameful. It is, on the face of it, an attempt to constrain speech by blunt force rather than by free exchange. I’m entirely happy to stand on the record of my exchanges with the complainant, and with other colleagues. I’m confident that any reasonable judge of those exchanges will see them for what they are.

Griffiths has resigned after all this. :(]]>
Wed, 10 May 2017 09:51:46 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8572 http://curi.us/comments/show/8572
Anonymous Open Discussion Tue, 09 May 2017 01:45:23 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8571 http://curi.us/comments/show/8571 Anonymous Open Discussion
I'm sure Einstein ran into capitalist ideas a little bit.

Popper must have known about Mises via Hayek and meeting him at Mount Pelerin.

But people really really hate freedom so...]]>
Mon, 08 May 2017 21:24:29 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8570 http://curi.us/comments/show/8570
Anonymous Open Discussion
https://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism/

> I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals. In such an economy, the means of production are owned by society itself and are utilized in a planned fashion. A planned economy, which adjusts production to the needs of the community, would distribute the work to be done among all those able to work and would guarantee a livelihood to every man, woman, and child. The education of the individual, in addition to promoting his own innate abilities, would attempt to develop in him a sense of responsibility for his fellow men in place of the glorification of power and success in our present society.

so bad. did he never come across the ideas of people like von Mises? if not, how did he miss them? if so, why does he not criticize their arguments? Popper talked a lot with Einstein. what the fuck did they talk about?]]>
Mon, 08 May 2017 21:13:54 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8569 http://curi.us/comments/show/8569
curi Open Discussion
> Justin Kalef (#2, #18) is there an email address where I can contact you? Reply here or email me at curi@curi.us]]>
Mon, 08 May 2017 20:02:12 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8568 http://curi.us/comments/show/8568
Circumcision is super bad J Open Discussion
(applies to both genders)]]>
Mon, 08 May 2017 16:58:33 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8567 http://curi.us/comments/show/8567
"In Defense of Transracialism" by Rebecca Tuvel Alisa Open Discussion
Tuvel's article begins:

> Former NAACP chapter head Rachel Dolezal’s attempted transition from the white to the black race occasioned heated controversy. Her story gained notoriety at the same time that Caitlyn (formerly Bruce) Jenner graced the cover of Vanity Fair, signaling a growing acceptance of transgender identity. Yet criticisms of Dolezal for misrepresenting her birth race indicate a widespread social perception that it is neither possible nor acceptable to change one’s race in the way it might be to change one’s sex. Considerations that support transgenderism seem to apply equally to transracialism.

Tuvel also considers "transabled" people who may feel as if a limb is not part of them and have it amputated.

(*) The link above has formatting problems. A PDF of the article can also be found on sci hub under DOI 10.1111/hypa.12327.]]>
Mon, 08 May 2017 14:45:29 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8566 http://curi.us/comments/show/8566
Anonymous Open Discussion
ppl frequently don't seem to think doing a good job is possible and don't really even try.

then they get confused when i think they should reject anything with just one criticism explaining why it's false!]]>
Mon, 08 May 2017 10:30:47 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8565 http://curi.us/comments/show/8565
Anonymous Open Discussion
wtf

> 17. See id. Leiter states that he “studied the usual suspects for the top law schools,” “two schools on the cusp of this elite group,” and four “very reputable, but presumably less national schools” only “[a]s a check on the reliability of the results.” Id. No prior research supports such claims.

sigh]]>
Mon, 08 May 2017 10:28:56 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8564 http://curi.us/comments/show/8564
Anonymous Open Discussion
lol rekt]]>
Mon, 08 May 2017 10:27:07 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8563 http://curi.us/comments/show/8563
curi Open Discussion
http://curi.us/files/ciolli.final.pdf]]>
Mon, 08 May 2017 09:47:06 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8562 http://curi.us/comments/show/8562
Anonymous Open Discussion
> Several individuals have responded to U.S. News’s deficiencies by creating their own noncommercial employment rankings,12 but these too suffer from serious defects.13 Perhaps the most well known rankings scheme was devised by Professor Brian Leiter.14 Although Leiter attempted to account for specific factors such as regional differences, firm quality, and class size, his study fails to distinguish between recent hires and individuals hired a long time ago, fails to adjust for differing student sectoral preferences and for differing student regional preferences, does not properly adjust for LL.M. graduates, draws its data from an incomplete and inconsistent information source, makes questionable choices regarding which employers to include,15 uses an arbitrary methodology biased towards large schools,16 and starts with a preconceived notion of which law schools are “national.”17]]>
Mon, 08 May 2017 09:43:50 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8561 http://curi.us/comments/show/8561
Anonymous Open Discussion
But note the quotes from Alisa are from a blog commenter, not Leiter.]]>
Mon, 08 May 2017 09:42:24 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8560 http://curi.us/comments/show/8560
curi Open Discussion
http://leiterreports.typepad.com/blog/2017/05/a-thread-for-further-comments-on-the-misconduct-by-the-hypatia-editors-and-the-defamation-of-prof-tu.html#comment-6a00d8341c2e6353ef01bb099927e0970d

Here is the text of it:

Hi Justin Kalef. Re. comments #2, #18:

I appreciate the values you bring up, such as allowing anyone to discuss and not judging ideas by the experience (or other sorts of authority) of the speaker.

Do you have a philosophy forum or know of a philosophy discussion forum which meets your criteria?

I run one[1] but I've never been able to find another. I've looked. A lot.

----

One of the main objections people have to letting anyone discuss is that it takes too long. I think they're badly mistaken and have written on the topic[2]. Do you have a written position answering that objection, written by yourself or others, that you agree with and could link to? I'd like to read it.

An example of often-unwelcome outsider criticism is criticism from children. Children are less steeped in the typical biases of their culture.

There are some additional things I think are crucial to good philosophy discussions which I often find lacking. Here's a couple:

1) Timelessness. If I think of an additional argument next month, I should be able to followup then. Topics shouldn't just last a few days and then die off and get ignored, as they do on e.g. reddit, facebook, twitter and most blog comments. Many forums actually discourage or ban "necroing" which refers to raising old topics from the dead.

2) Quoting. People talk past each other all the time. Frequent use of exact quotes, including with several layers of nested quotations, helps address this problem. This is especially needed when people disagree. If you're going to say someone's claim is false, you ought to quote it and point out what's false rather than summarize it (or not even that) and seriously risk misrepresenting it. I've had many bad experiences trying to get most people to do things like give any page number or quote that they disagree with when they say they disagree with a book/author.

3) Self-contained posts with permalinks. This is related to quoting. When people refer vaguely to things like "your argument" or "what you said earlier" then it's really hard to follow. And also if the post is linked to, it can't be read as a standalone contribution because of the non-specific references to prior discussion which aren't quotes or links.

4) No moderation. Moderators block some contributions to discussion. They keep some ideas out. What is the point of the moderator if not to prevent contributions which disagree about matters such as style, relevance, the quality of various ideas, etc? (I'm fine with very limited moderation for purposes like blocking automated spam advertisements of viagra and disallowing posting the home addresses of other members.)

[1] http://fallibleideas.com/discussion-info

[2] http://fallibleideas.com/paths-forward]]>
Mon, 08 May 2017 09:41:02 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8559 http://curi.us/comments/show/8559
Justin Kalef's list of features essential for a philosophical discussion Alisa Open Discussion
> I have always taken for granted that what anything properly calling itself philosophy must be committed to includes the following:

> a) the careful, reasonable consideration of a range of topics, including (and perhaps especially) many of the most sensitive and controversial issues there are. Many people do not dare to discuss or even question the accepted views of their culture or subculture on matters of religion, morality, politics, and so on. We philosophers are bold enough to wade in on such issues with reasoned criticisms of all views, including the most popular and sacred, and to promote free discussion on these matters. Indeed, this is one of the great social benefits of, and perhaps the primary justification for, philosophy.

> b) the impartial consideration (or as close as we can come to it) of the best reasoning and evidence on all sides, rather than social pressure or other forms of silencing and exclusion, as the way to resolve the issues we consider.

> c) teaching people to think for themselves rather than to accept our worldviews. A test of this: which of these results would you count as evidence that you were doing an irresponsible job teaching: if your students develop their reasoning skills to a high degree in your classes but use them to come to conclusions of which you strongly disapprove, or if they come away from your courses comfortable in your views but without the intellectual and emotional resources to question them? If the latter, then it seems clear that you are not primarily teaching philosophy but rather engaging in indoctrination.

> d) promoting a professional culture of diverse viewpoints and critical open-mindedness in our service to the profession. Whether one is helping to assemble a colloquium series, a panel, a set of articles to be published in a journal or anthology, or even the members of a department, it runs counter to the spirit of philosophy to limit the range of viewpoints. It is all too easy to justify excluding unfamiliar views and arguments by saying that they do not take into consideration enough of the existing literature. If there are arguments or objections in the literature that someone is overlooking, then one can provide that person with a summary of those arguments or objections. But a true philosopher welcomes criticism from the outside. A solid philosophical position or argument should be able to withstand naïve criticism quite easily. Moreover, it is often those who are the least steeped in the often-invisible ideological commitments of a subdiscipline who can raise the most important objections.

> I'd like to add another criterion to the list of features that seem essential to philosophical discussion: the criterion that anyone can participate. In saying this, I do not mean to imply that anyone's contribution to a discussion is as good as anyone else's. But if there are topics that only certain people are allowed to engage in -- and this can follow, de facto, from an environment in which people who don't fit a certain demographic feel so afraid of being shouted down for daring to participate that they put their objections only meekly or not at all -- then it should not be difficult to see that the free and unbiased discussion that gives philosophy and science their status and power is simply not being respected. The fact that some critics are not steeped in the ideologies of those whose positions and arguments they are disputing is, in philosophy as in science, generally a benefit. It would surely be wrong to rule out such dissenting voices on principle.

> Peter Singer's 'Famine, Affluence, and Morality' deals with our duties to those living in absolute poverty, but Singer has never lived in absolute poverty and gives no indication in that article of having steeped himself in the writings of those who have. In his treatment of the same material in _Practical Ethics_, he refers to the work of Robert McNamara, an affluent and powerful westerner, in categorizing what absolute poverty is. But no reasonable person rejects, or would think of rejecting, Singer's arguments because he does not demonstrate familiarity of first-person accounts of extreme poverty. Judith Jarvis Thomson's 'A Defense of Abortion' is, rightly, a much-discussed article. In it, Thomson does not draw our attention to the writings of people who have had abortions. I have no idea from reading the article whether Thomson herself ever had an abortion, nor do I care, and nor should I. Her argument, as any good argument, stands or falls on its own merits. Frances Kamm has written a number of excellent articles on trolley problems, though I presume that she has never stood at a railway switch (or anywhere else) with the weight of a life-and-death moral decision on her own shoulders, nor is her philosophical work weakened by a neglect to refer directly to the words and sentiments and 'lived experiences' of those who have.

> Anyone thinks that these points are legitimate objections against Singer, Thomson and Kamm simply misunderstands the nature and purpose of the philosophical enterprise. Philosophy is not a two-phase process in which there is first of all a contest to see whose life experiences best qualify them as experts on an issue and then a period of listening to those experts in quiet awe as they present the final word on that issue. True philosophy is egalitarian. Anyone at all gets to present any argument at all on an issue, and then anyone at all gets to review that argument for soundness and relevance and raise any objection against the logic, facts, or relevance that they think is objectively powerful. For this process to work fairly, we should ensure that those with arguments and objections that don't conform with what the group is already saying feel _particularly encouraged_ to raise those arguments and objections.]]>
Mon, 08 May 2017 08:08:30 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8558 http://curi.us/comments/show/8558
curi Open Discussion
The year starts over after your month ban.]]>
Sun, 07 May 2017 23:24:47 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8555 http://curi.us/comments/show/8555
curi Open Discussion
Don't test the ban. I'm not going to do anything now, but if you post again then I'll go permanently ban you with the same software that bans Leonor.]]>
Sun, 07 May 2017 23:21:09 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8554 http://curi.us/comments/show/8554
BANNED PERSON Open Discussion
You could have not banned me and ignored my initial replies. I would have agreed on not outing. ( as if I have interested in outing people.. It was a weird misunderstanding)

I didn't think you expected a SUPER urgent reply agreeing to not out people!!

Okay I will not create discord accounts!]]>
Sun, 07 May 2017 23:14:47 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8553 http://curi.us/comments/show/8553
FF Open Discussion
I liked his views on Piracy, copyright & Freedom but he is a Bernie Supporter & a SJW :-(]]>
Thu, 04 May 2017 02:45:09 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8552 http://curi.us/comments/show/8552
curi Cosplay and Effortful Appearances
pressuring people not to put much effort into being pretty, even though they are supposed to be pretty, is mean

pressuring people to hide the effort they put into being pretty is mean

pressuring people to be pretty in ways controlled by their genes is mean (e.g. some skin colors and breast sizes are prettier than others)

cosplay and goth are partially strategies which help cope with a fraction of this meanness]]>
Tue, 25 Apr 2017 14:49:08 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8551 http://curi.us/comments/show/8551
Anonymous Cosplay and Effortful Appearances
I know you think social dynamics in general contain tons of meanness. Did you have something more specific than that in mind?]]>
Tue, 25 Apr 2017 10:46:39 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8550 http://curi.us/comments/show/8550
Deceptive, dishonest NYT reporting on left-wing violence at Alisa Open Discussion
> [Conservative supporter] Mr. Benitez said that his group would arrive unarmed, as they did last weekend. But in recent confrontations, demonstrators have turned rocks, fireworks and police barricades into weapons — even using a bike lock to wallop someone in the head.
> “The way that they assemble, the tactics that they used, it has not been seen in this region,” said Capt. Alex Yao, the acting chief of the university police force, at a briefing on Thursday.

Left-wing demonstrators did all that! NYT makes it sound like it was conservatives.

The use of the word "they" in the 2nd paragraph is so deceptive. It makes it sound like the right-wingers are the ones being violent, when it's actually the left.]]>
Sat, 22 Apr 2017 17:17:38 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8549 http://curi.us/comments/show/8549
Anonymous Compulsory Government Education
truants generally don't dispute the legitimacy of k-12 schooling.

like thieves don't generally dispute the legitimacy of laws against stealing. thieves mostly aren't stealing-legalization-advocates. and truants mostly aren't education reformers.

many homeschoolers and unschoolers just think that lifestyle is right for them, rather than better for everyone.

and even most of the people with really negative opinions about schools do school-at-home type stuff and also think their kid needs to be educated until he's 18.

and of the few people who want to get rid of public (government) schools, most of them still totally accept similar k-12 schools as a good idea. they more often think stuff like: government schools are low quality, badly run, waste money, etc, and the state shouldn't have the opportunity to indoctrinate people.

where are the (other non-TCS) philosophically sophisticated challenges to k-12 schooling? about actual educational philosophy and principles!]]>
Thu, 20 Apr 2017 20:24:56 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8548 http://curi.us/comments/show/8548
Anonymous Compulsory Government Education
what essay does "that essay" refer to?]]>
Thu, 20 Apr 2017 19:59:39 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8547 http://curi.us/comments/show/8547
This is a free speech zone (or TAZ---temporary autonomous zone)( ishi Compulsory Government Education
Talking about 'real social service' similarily---what is that---registering people to vote, registering them to vote green, libertarian, democrat, republican or telling them not to register because if then you are being complcit with a corrupt political system? do people who join the army (perhaps because they didn't school or college, or because they would be prosecuted for some minor illegal drug or sexual involvement and go to jail unless they enlisted) or those who are 'war resistors' and dont't join doing 'real' service? does some church volunteer get counted as doing real social service by doing day care/tutoring if they also break some rules and provide 'real social service' by providing drugs to youth maybe in exchange for sex?

People do take k-12 schooling largely for granted today though there are some dissidents---free schools, unschooling, home schooling, truancy...

Of course for the state to make this compulsory is authoritarian, and by having a state chosen, sanctioned and required curriculum is a form of intdoctrination. Basically decided compulsion was neccesarry (or at least from a pragmatic view of somethin g that could be implemented) to make sure one did not end up with a nation with 'feral' (wild ) children, or various sects which practiced cannibalism, slavery, and viewed anyone not a member of their sect as a resource to be exploited as desired or eliminated as a toxic heathen.

Nowadays the state allows some modifications or different interpretations of manadatory shool rules--people can choose their own curricula up to a point (they still must know some basic math, science, history, engish language, government and civics, etc. but the rest is up to them including nothing more) and homeschool or start their own school with its own schedule.Some can select their own curricula---eg do 100% science or 100% learn technical trades.

The state replaced th kinds of authoritarian, compulsory indoctrination practiced by traditional familes. Back in the day, for example, at times two men or women or a white protestant and a black or jewish person could not marry, but now they can and in many or most compulsory school curricula this is taught and indoctrinated. In traditional cultures the opposite view was 'fed to or shoved down people's throats or their minds. Perhaps its a choice of the greater of two evils (the state being greater in size, or some other criteria---than small cults of dissenters. In the past if indians saw some corporate polluter show up on their territory they'd be taken out (and this still occurs some places in the world, and usa has its own 'ecoterrorist' types who while not indegenous in g eenral act similarily to corporate polluters). Nowadays polluting corporations have the state on their side--people have been indoctrinated to know its compulsory to follow the laws respecti g corporations 'rights'.)

Personally, theoretically, i dont care however people school their kids or themselves so long as it doesn't interfere with me---eg if they learn in their own communities (by either choice or compulsion--- but babies and children often don't have much choice---they just absorb what is around them and dont really know much about any other choices) that they have the right to exploit or destroy me or my terrritory, then even if it is compulsory and authoritariasn i reserve the right to keep those communities off my territority, even if this means wiping them off the earth or indoctrinating them to follow my rules---ie dont do a single thing that bothers me on my territory--even play music if i dont like and can hear it.

If an authoritarian governemnt is required to force enemy fascist types to leave me alone (perhaps by locking them up) then i support the govwernment on that. (ideally there would be no government, but this is not an ideal world, and sometimes government coercion and force is preferable to that of small minded, pea brained idiotic ideological dogmatists who want governm ent to leave them alone so they can be the big fish in a small pond and force and coerce and indoctrinate their little cult. They tend also to be hypocrites---hate government when it tells them to send their kids to school for example and tell them they can't dump trash in local rivers, but then treasure their government bestwoed property rights which allow them to shoot anyone or anything that ventures on their porperty.)

I'm not sure what the point of that essay was---perhaps involuntary response like farting. nothing deep, or new, or innovative but it just comes out (sortuh like those people with some sort of disease that causes them to swear all the time). alot of religious people and political idoelogues (marxists, anarchists and anarchocapitalists, libertarians, greens...) can't seem to help repeating these old 'truhs' all the tiem. 'god loves you'. 'i want real freedom to do what i want which is not what the governments want but instead is what my small group of pea brained closed minded peers and close knit community who want to be free to do what they know is best as told to them by god---they know god tells them the real truth about what they want to do, and also there is n other source of truth like the government, or scientuists or anything. They know because they learned about the true god from the internet. (thye also pointed iout that the internet was invented by god, as described in the bible--and not by scientists---who basically lie by pretending they discovered it themselves without god'd help.)]]>
Thu, 20 Apr 2017 19:51:13 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8546 http://curi.us/comments/show/8546
FF Open Discussion Mon, 17 Apr 2017 08:16:31 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8545 http://curi.us/comments/show/8545 FF Open Discussion Mon, 17 Apr 2017 08:12:04 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8544 http://curi.us/comments/show/8544 FF Open Discussion
"Referring to the philosophy invented by writer Ayn Rand in the mid-20th century that emphasizes reason, individualism, and capitalism. Wales first encountered the philosophy through reading Rand's novel The Fountainhead during his undergraduate period[19] and, in 1992, founded an electronic mailing list devoted to "Moderated Discussion of Objectivist Philosophy".[6][100] Though he has stated that the philosophy "colours everything I do and think",[6] he has said, "I think I do a better job—than a lot of people who self-identify as Objectivists—of not pushing my point of view on other people."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Wales]]>
Mon, 17 Apr 2017 08:10:26 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8543 http://curi.us/comments/show/8543
FF Health Insurance and Psychiatry on a city block okay on this block there's a red house a greenhouse a blue house and a white house sure red man lives in the red house the green man lives in the greenhouse and the blue man lives the blue hats okay now who lives in the White House?

Guy: the white man

Doc: no sorry the president lives in the White House you're retarded

Guy: wtf!

Doc: here's a pamphlet of details

Guy: did you just call me retarded?

Doc: I just diagnosed you retarded

Guy: I'm not retarded]]>
Fri, 14 Apr 2017 22:10:32 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8542 http://curi.us/comments/show/8542
FF Health Insurance and Psychiatry Fri, 14 Apr 2017 04:36:01 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8541 http://curi.us/comments/show/8541 curi Open Discussion Mon, 10 Apr 2017 16:12:10 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8540 http://curi.us/comments/show/8540 CTMU C.M.Langan Explaining Infinite Sets, Measures, and Mappings for Quantum Physics Mon, 10 Apr 2017 02:25:39 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8539 http://curi.us/comments/show/8539 Anonymous Don't Bring Up Your Own Negatives Wed, 05 Apr 2017 06:45:13 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8538 http://curi.us/comments/show/8538 FF Don't Bring Up Your Own Negatives
I always try to reduce the other person's expectation before sharing my favorite book, food or movie. I present them like it's the worst thing in the world and expect them to have a surprise when they see its not that bad. But I fail.. :-( They have a bad experience because they would be thinking about what I said when experiencing it.]]>
Wed, 05 Apr 2017 06:43:20 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8537 http://curi.us/comments/show/8537
Anonymous Don't Bring Up Your Own Negatives Wed, 05 Apr 2017 06:31:18 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8536 http://curi.us/comments/show/8536 FF Don't Bring Up Your Own Negatives
I imagined full disclosure of bad stuff was a good way to start. After talking about the horrible stuff the other person would have no expectations left. Then Bombard him with all the good stuff.

But I know your advise is practical and it works in the real world. I have failed many times with my method :-(]]>
Wed, 05 Apr 2017 06:26:53 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8535 http://curi.us/comments/show/8535
Anonymous Don't Bring Up Your Own Negatives Wed, 05 Apr 2017 00:53:47 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8534 http://curi.us/comments/show/8534 FF Don't Bring Up Your Own Negatives Wed, 05 Apr 2017 00:44:50 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8533 http://curi.us/comments/show/8533 Anonymous Vacation Travel Is Overrated "My life is better than your vacation"

I'm sure that's not always, and perhaps only rarely, true. But I think they have the right idea in trying to have a life they like all the time. Instead of live a life they mostly hate with the occasional vacation thrown in for fun.]]>
Sun, 26 Mar 2017 07:54:53 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8532 http://curi.us/comments/show/8532
Anonymous Vacation Travel Is Overrated Sat, 25 Mar 2017 22:59:51 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8531 http://curi.us/comments/show/8531 curi Open Discussion Fri, 24 Mar 2017 21:09:49 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8530 http://curi.us/comments/show/8530 Anonymous Open Discussion Fri, 24 Mar 2017 20:59:26 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8529 http://curi.us/comments/show/8529 curi Open Discussion Fri, 24 Mar 2017 15:50:17 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8528 http://curi.us/comments/show/8528 Anonymous Open Discussion Fri, 24 Mar 2017 09:13:50 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8527 http://curi.us/comments/show/8527 curi The Categorical Imperative is Mistaken
this is similar to induction. it's taking some finite set of stuff and then saying "generalize".

he doesn't specify clear, exact rules for what counts as a general theory, nor for which general theories are to be rejected.

if we make up our own reasonable rule for what counts as a general theory, and use the rejection rule of contradiction with our premises, we will end up with infinitely many general theories to choose from. so then we face another hallmark problem of induction: paying biased, selective attention to one out of infinity while blinding yourself to the existence (not even merit, but mere existence) of the rest of infinity. or making up a few ad hoc criticisms of some categories within that ignored infinity (small categories given the context, but large given a standard common sense context) and pretending that's adequate.

the examples given like don't lie can be thought of as data points which are compatible with infinitely many different general, universal moralities. there are, as always, infinite patterns and no specification of which patterns to prefer over others, just a naive bias towards whatever patterns the speak and his culture tend to or whichever patterns reach the conclusions he already had in advance.]]>
Sat, 11 Mar 2017 13:12:14 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8526 http://curi.us/comments/show/8526
Mysterious J The Categorical Imperative is Mistaken
>Kant asserted that lying, or deception of any kind, would be forbidden under any interpretation and in any circumstance. In Grounding, Kant gives the example of a person who seeks to borrow money without intending to pay it back. This is a contradiction because if it were a universal action, no person would lend money anymore as he knows that he will never be paid back.

There's a lot of detail missing here.

Like, maybe the person is borrowing money without intending to pay it back cuz he has a gambling debt he wants to pay off with a bookie so the bookie doesn't break his legs, and he doesn't care about paying back the debt because he's going to be moving overseas soon anyways, and so the credit score hit he'll take from not paying back a debt in his native country is no longer of concern to him.

And so if you universalized the principle "Pay back your debts, unless you are taking out a loan to prevent physical harm from happening to yourself and are indifferent to the financial consequences of not paying back the loan," then the financial system could carry on, cuz that would actually capture relatively few cases and the risk of that happening could just be priced into the interest rate charged.

Now I think Kant would object at this point that that's not how you should go about universalizing the principle. But I don't know that he gives any sort of good explanation anywhere as to the mechanism you're supposed to use to universalize principles. And I don't find his particular way of universalizing principles from certain fact patterns convincing (based on what I've seen from second-hand sources). Like I immediately think "why'd you universalize it this way and not that way?"

More wiki:

>The maxim of this action, says Kant, results in a contradiction in conceivability (and thus contradicts perfect duty). With lying, it would logically contradict the reliability of language. If it were universally acceptable to lie, then no one would believe anyone and all truths would be assumed to be lies.

Empirically, people lie all the time, but you can still really on people to tell the truth in lots of situations.

For instance, people notoriously lie in trying to find dates, in job stuff, etc. But if a friend says he intends to meet you on Saturday to go to the movies, that's probably not a lie.

So it basically *is* universally acceptable to lie (to a degree, in certain contexts), and yet the horrible stuff that Kant says should follow from that doesn't follow.]]>
Sat, 11 Mar 2017 07:40:23 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8525 http://curi.us/comments/show/8525
Anonymous Objectivist and Popperian Epistemology
http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/package-dealing,_fallacy_of.html]]>
Fri, 10 Mar 2017 15:59:56 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8524 http://curi.us/comments/show/8524
package deal oh my god it's turpentine Objectivist and Popperian Epistemology Fri, 10 Mar 2017 15:16:17 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8523 http://curi.us/comments/show/8523 Anonymous Objectivist and Popperian Epistemology Fri, 10 Mar 2017 15:08:49 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8522 http://curi.us/comments/show/8522 Anonymous Open Discussion Fri, 10 Mar 2017 10:37:34 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8521 http://curi.us/comments/show/8521 Anonymous Open Discussion Fri, 10 Mar 2017 04:01:26 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8520 http://curi.us/comments/show/8520 SN Open Discussion I don't disagree that it's relevant to the subject in general.

My point is that because #8513 drops context from the quote (a specific kind of problem) and imposes it's own (problems in general), it implies that that is the full context of #8512.

I think it would have been better not to quote #8512 at all and say something about the state of having no known problems instead. Then it would have been a better post.]]>
Sun, 05 Mar 2017 20:31:03 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8519 http://curi.us/comments/show/8519
curi Open Discussion
https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/5wlrew/game_design_healing_should_give_less_ult_charge/]]>
Mon, 27 Feb 2017 19:58:22 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8518 http://curi.us/comments/show/8518
FF Open Discussion Mon, 27 Feb 2017 06:07:52 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8517 http://curi.us/comments/show/8517 Anonymous Open Discussion Sun, 26 Feb 2017 12:23:41 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8516 http://curi.us/comments/show/8516 SN Open Discussion This talks about problems in general, but quotes #8512 and drops the context of specifically problems about creating new rationalisations. Why?]]> Sun, 26 Feb 2017 05:41:27 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8515 http://curi.us/comments/show/8515 1960 book on scientism Alisa Open Discussion

From the introduction:

> Certain models of society, certain techniques which this volume evaluates, and for which we suggest the label "scientism," appeal sometimes to insecure individuals and groups because such use of science in human affairs supposedly would allow one to "fix," to freeze the world once and for all.

From chapter 1:

> By "scientism" I mean here a boundary transgression or a misuse of otherwise legitimate procedures and attitudes of science.

> Can the reality of man, permeated with values as it is, be fully understood in terms of value-free concepts and theories? The problem would not arise, however, were it not for a number of influential persons in the field of the social sciences
who ardently believe that it can be done and who work toward the realization of this goal.]]>
Sun, 26 Feb 2017 03:22:59 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8514 http://curi.us/comments/show/8514
curi Open Discussion
that's a bad sign, not a good sign.

you should expect progress in phases:

- ruining your own life obliviously

- noticing a few ways you ruin your own life

- fixing a few ways you ruin your own life

*in that order*.

all you're saying is you don't currently have any leads. (you also, as it so happens, have no substantial solutions to any difficult issues that you've exposed to public criticism.)

lack of leads does not prima facie indicate lack of problems, it prima facie indicates lack of awareness of problems.

in a life that's going well it's normal to find and solve problems at similar rates, and always maintain some stock of known problems. like you have on average 25 known problems, and you solve 20 per year but also discover or create 20 per year.]]>
Sat, 25 Feb 2017 23:16:09 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8513 http://curi.us/comments/show/8513
SN Open Discussion >> I don't create more rationalisations for my life pain.

> of course you do.

Well, maybe. I guess it's dumb to conclude I'm not gonna make any more after spending a lot of time making them and not really even thinking about it before. I didn't mean to say I wasn't looking out for the potential of more being there. But I'm not aware of any new ones at the moment.]]>
Sat, 25 Feb 2017 23:06:10 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8512 http://curi.us/comments/show/8512
Anonymous Open Discussion
of course you do.

> The reason I don't have more FI-pain rationalisations is that no-one is coercing me to take part.

sure you have more. but they aren't as effective as some others. less time and tradition go into them.]]>
Thu, 23 Feb 2017 19:09:46 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8511 http://curi.us/comments/show/8511
SN Open Discussion > why you don't create rationalizations for the FI pain in order to make it more tolerable, like you do with your life pain?

I don't create more rationalisations for my life pain. The ones I have have existed for a long time. I created them as an escape from trying to stop the life pain but being blocked by coercion.

> what's the difference which kept you from doing that in the past regarding the FI pain?

Actually I did have some FI-pain rationalisations at one point from self-coercion. I stopped doing that.

The reason I don't have more FI-pain rationalisations is that no-one is coercing me to take part.]]>
Thu, 23 Feb 2017 18:33:17 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8510 http://curi.us/comments/show/8510
Kate Open Discussion
why you don't create rationalizations for the FI pain in order to make it more tolerable, like you do with your life pain? what's the difference which kept you from doing that in the past regarding the FI pain?]]>
Thu, 23 Feb 2017 18:17:36 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8509 http://curi.us/comments/show/8509
SN Open Discussion (I refer to this first part as the "original comment" later)
>>1) his whole fucking life is already pain anyway. the only difference with FI stuff is he doesn't have a ton of rationalizations about that pain. so what he's really doing is trying to conform to his existing rationalizations.

>so with FI stuff, he doesn't have a ton of rationalizations about that pain.

>with life stuff, he does have a ton of rationalizations about that pain.

>i wrote:

>> i wanted to understand clearly why people create rationalizations for life pain, but not FI pain.

>is the false assumption here the idea that people *create* the rationalizations? the quote just says they *have* them. it doesn't say they create them?


The mistake here is that the original comment was talking about SN conforming to his life rationalisations and not having rationalisations for FI pain. Result: life pain gets tolerated (ie not fixed in most effective ways) and FI pain doesn't get tolerated (not posting on FI).

The original comment wasn't saying anything at all about making rationalisations for FI pain.

I think it's possible that some FI-active people have pain in response to FI but rationalise it.]]>
Thu, 23 Feb 2017 18:09:54 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8508 http://curi.us/comments/show/8508
Anonymous Open Discussion Thu, 23 Feb 2017 18:00:50 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8507 http://curi.us/comments/show/8507 SN Open Discussion > in terms of engagement with FI, when you feel bad, you might wanna post about your best guess as to why so people can give you some perspective. often people think their own emotional stuff is worse than it objectively is because its THEIR stuff. also people are very credulous about the Facebook Version of Happy Life BS that other people represent in public, so they feel like a unique failure for having so much trouble in life.

Yeah, ok

I think I was being kinda passive with FI threads before, trying to follow the subject too much (because I was committing myself to them or something dumb like that)

It's better to branch off into new subjects if they're more interesting/relevant, especially if not following that new subject will get in the way of following the old subject]]>
Thu, 23 Feb 2017 17:54:54 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8506 http://curi.us/comments/show/8506
SN Open Discussion > (like "it happened because Bob said it" - try it without Bob, or "it happened because I was tired" - try it without being tired)

Rewriting for clarity

(like "the feeling happened because of Bob said it" - try it without Bob, or "the feeling happened because I was tired when I did it" - try it without being tired)]]>
Thu, 23 Feb 2017 17:42:20 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8505 http://curi.us/comments/show/8505
SN Open Discussion > did you express this problem to FI and ask for help with a solution? did you post something like, "I feel bad about being accused of lying. Is it bad to be accused of lying? If it's bad, is it bad to be the accuser or the person accused? Why? How should one deal with it? What are typical reasons people feel bad about this and solutions to them? What are ways to do introspection to find out why I feel bad about this and fix it? Or should I live in such a way I'm not accused of lying? Or is feeling bad a part of life to accept and live with?" etc etc

In general, yes when feeling bad about some event pursuing typical reasons and how to deal with that may provide better information.


Thoughts on how to introspect and identify why feelings happen:
(not in a particular order)
* Replay the process and try to identify the chain of thoughts that occurred between the event and the bad feeling, identify when the bad feeling begin, if there were multiple stages of feeling, identify which part of the process was critical (but think about all the parts and whether they made sense)

* Think about similar situations you've had before - if they also resulted in the feeling, what was the same? if they didn't result in the feeling, what was different?

* Think about the situation which resulted in the bad feeling.
Identify the factors involved (eg what happened, who was involved, where did it take place, were there other issues/emotions active), think about these factors and ideas related to them, which may set context that was part of the bad feeling

* Find out more by trying out similar experiences and adjusting the variables involved, see how the feeling differs, work out why

* Come up with ideas for why the feelings happen (potentially from already-known conventional reasons), so you can adjust variables in a more targeted way and test out specific theories (like "it happened because Bob said it" - try it without Bob, or "it happened because I was tired" - try it without being tired)]]>
Thu, 23 Feb 2017 17:40:34 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8504 http://curi.us/comments/show/8504
SN Open Discussion
Also reading Rand helps. She makes quite a lot of references to concrete-bound minds and mentalities and the problems with them, so it helps to think about the problems that it causes.]]>
Mon, 20 Feb 2017 08:48:41 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8503 http://curi.us/comments/show/8503
SN Open Discussion
> yup. note that you've had issues for years which have such simple solutions. (not necessarily simple *full* solutions but plenty to get started). something's screwy there...

Yeah, agreed.

Like even having this strategy prepared isn't going to stop me giving bad responses. I'm going to find it hard to use sometimes.

I've noticed moments like this before where there was an obvious easy change to make but I didn't just do it right away (and not even when I had some major emotional hangup about it like I do about "should").

I think I've got some issues with change, like at least partially I'm trying to seek stasis. I'm reminded of the phrase "concrete-bound mind". It's like I'm trying to stick to something safe and just stay there and stop trying new things :(
(but then reality comes crashing in because stasis isn't safe anyway)]]>
Mon, 20 Feb 2017 08:45:44 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8502 http://curi.us/comments/show/8502
Anonymous Open Discussion
yup. note that you've had issues for years which have such simple solutions. (not necessarily simple *full* solutions but plenty to get started). something's screwy there...

> I'm not sure how I can get better at long-term thinking. I try to apply it more when playing games (like if I play that puzzle game more later, I'll try to think ahead more if I'm not tired).

you could play games where thinking ahead is required to do well, like Chess or Go. no take backs!]]>
Sun, 19 Feb 2017 12:40:03 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8501 http://curi.us/comments/show/8501
SN Open Discussion >> (incidentally I think all good humour is of the "grain of truth" variety, I don't find outright lies told in a "humorous" way to be funny)

>this is basically incomprehensible. you're really overestimating how much your text communicates successfully. i do get the very vague gist but if you gave me some example jokes i'd have no real chance to successfully figure out which ones you judge which ones. e.g. there's no way for me to know which lies you categorize as "outright" and which you don't. i also couldn't come up with canonical examples of what you have in mind for each category.

I wasn't clear saying "outright lie", "outright" didn't really clarify what I meant and I could have dropped it. I'm not good at talking about honesty/lying in clear terms.

Ok I'll explain a bit.

So jokes can be literally true. I'm fine with that.

Jokes can be metaphorical or an exaggeration, but referring to a real issue. So eg pointing something out by comparison to a similar situation, or highlighting it by exaggeration such as a caricature. Not literally true, but still fine.

They can also be lies. Making up stuff for status, or to be mean, or to confuse people, and using humour to hide the intent and try to get people to like it anyway. I don't find that funny in itself.

They can also be lies in the sense of faking reality, pretending things are true that aren't. As above.

I find jokes about lies useful sometimes (even if it seems like the writer actually thinks the bad ideas are true). Sometimes I find them funny because they highlight some mistakes I make and give me more information about what's wrong with them. So I laugh because of some personal insight into my mistakes, not because the joke itself is good.



I don't think I really understand the FI standard of honesty fully. My guess at it at the moment is that if someone has any contradictions with something they say is true, then they're lying.
(and so, because I have a ton of issues like that, so am I)]]>
Sun, 19 Feb 2017 10:52:07 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8500 http://curi.us/comments/show/8500
SN Open Discussion > there is a simple solution to this in widespread use in the business world.
> penalty clauses.
> e.g. if you don't follow through on X then you owe the guy $100.
> sign a contract like that and people will make some deals with you even if you're flakey.

Ok, good point.

If there's a discussion you don't want to get into with me because you don't want to spend your time only for me to flake out, I'd seriously consider a penalty clause.

(yes I'm aware that I can also offer money if I particularly want an answer and then will have a much better chance of getting one)]]>
Sun, 19 Feb 2017 10:23:47 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8499 http://curi.us/comments/show/8499
curi Open Discussion Sun, 19 Feb 2017 09:59:33 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8498 http://curi.us/comments/show/8498 curi Scheduling and Thinking
i don't know, and i learned related skills first: RSVP speed reading and watching video faster (mostly TV).

I learned this stuff gradually over a few years I guess. Takes a while.

I mostly gradually increased speed. But also I sometimes set the speed higher than I'm comfortable with and try it for a bit. When going back down, it can make my old speed feel slow.]]>
Sun, 19 Feb 2017 09:57:33 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8497 http://curi.us/comments/show/8497
SN Open Discussion
>>Maybe I'm focusing too much on effect rather than cause. Like, if my mind were more clear/integrated, I'd be more reliable because what I say is a better prediction rather than because I force it.

>The DIRECT cause of you being flaky/inconsistent is that you have ideas which think doing that is good. Those ideas conflict with other ideas you hold about wanting to be reliable.

Yeah, I guess so. Like all my other mistakes, I need to acknowledge responsibility for this. If I want to do something, no matter how much conflict I have with that want, it's dishonest to claim I don't really want to do it.

And presupposing that the reliable/consistent ideas are going to win out of the resolution is closed-minded. Like, maybe the flaky ideas will win when I actually resolve the conflicts. I don't think so, but I need to take them seriously.


>So you could try to figure out the reasons for both sides, criticize both sides, *create knowledge*, and resolve the conflict. *Become* more clear/integrated regarding this slice of your life.

I have no problem being reliable in work. I sometimes have small conflicts (like "I'm tired", or "I want to watch anime" or "I want to play vidya" or "I want to finish a post"), but I can always set those aside to be resolved later and do stuff like be there on time. I care about being reliable at work because I like getting paid and most of the time I like the work.

I don't have problems with most other things either. Like planning to go gaming or watch something with friends I suspect I'm way more reliable than I need to be for them (but I'd rather be on time, and then spend a bit of time waiting/listening to audio books, than use their (badly-defined) standards of how to make an agreed-upon meeting).

I've been flaky with other things in the past. Typically that's because I've thought of stuff I don't like about it, and don't really work it out properly and kinda just stop doing it without making a clear choice.

I'm flaky *with FI*. I have ideas that hate FI and I look for excuses to stay away.

So at the moment FI is in that category of other things I've flaked on.

I think there's two factors here.

1. my crits of being active on FI
(I've phrased it that way because I don't think it's a problem with FI itself, rather some of the things that come with it)
There are certain kinds of post that trigger my hangups. Being told what I "should" do is something I have a problem with. Lol, such a rebel (jk). I guess that's a hangup from being told what I should do by people are going to coerce me.
I don't need to care that someone else thinks I should do something (caring *why* they think I should is a different matter).

So I guess I need a functional response to someone saying I "should" do something.
It's not all "should" statements though, more when they're just made as assertions. So eg "action X has flaw A so you should do Y" doesn't hit the hangup, because it's got reasoning behind it, but "you should do Y" is an empty assertion and I at least partially want to say "fuck off and die" when I get told something like that. The hangup is also triggered when I'm told something like "action X has flaw A" but I don't know how to understand X or A.
I guess just asking "why?" (or in the case of not understanding, just saying so) is a place to start with that.


2. my lack of decisiveness in giving things up
I find it more fun to just go with whatever I enjoy in the moment, so if flaws come up with something I just give it up and move on.
The problem is that I don't really think through the consequences of dropping things like that (beside being flaky, it also means I'm leaving this unresolved conflict + possibly dropping something fun for bad reasons).

I don't think I'm good at long-distance thinking in certain circumstances. I noticed this earlier when I was playing a puzzle game earlier (Lara Croft GO), it's almost entirely open information so it is *possible* to work out every consequence of every action (and sometimes work out the solution without making a move). But I don't and find it hard work to even start thinking ahead. I think if I were better at long-distance thinking, "whatever I enjoy in the moment" would *be* thinking it through more of the time.

I guess if I had some major conflict with work, I might even become flaky with that because of the problem of not working out conflicts. So this seems like a potential disaster just looking at things already in my life.

So I think lack of good long-term thinking is at least a major part of the problem, if not most of the problem.





>My interpretation of what you think from above: you want a more clear/integrated mind (the cause). The effect of that is you’ll be more reliable.

>HOWEVER, there's an *earlier cause* which results in an effect of having the more clear/integrated mind which you want.

>So what's that earlier cause?

>One big thing it involves is taking actual concrete problems/conflicts in your life (e.g. being flaky/inconsistent vs reliable!) and resolving them.

Agreed.


>>It's kinda like what I was saying about fake before. I can sometimes fake being reliable by forcing it (and finding it stressful), but I'd be better off not making lots of long-term plans until I get better at it, rather than making them and kinda forcing myself to follow through.

>do you have a plan for how you are going to "get better at it"? in general, having a vague idea of “i’ll be more reliable once i have a more clear/integrated mind” isn’t going to work as well as trying to directly identify and resolve the conflict, which involves a part of you not wanting to be reliable.

>(and i think it's DOING THIS PROCESS over and over and over again with lots of concretes, which contributes to having the more clear/integrated mind you want)

Right.

Which I think goes back to being bad at long-term thinking.

I know I avoid it sometimes (like in the puzzle game example) because it's *faster* to just plough through a bunch of possible solutions until something works, just working out each few moves by trial and error.
I also avoid it when I'm tired.
I also avoid it when I'm stressed/time pressured.

I don't think the first two are bad (but I would *like* to be skilled enough to solve puzzle games by thinking ahead more and trail&error less). But the third one is a major problem, I imagine a lot of time pressure for most things. I've become more aware of the consequence of submitting to time pressure recently, and the mistakes it results in. So here's another conflict: I worry about taking too long to do things, think I have too many things to do, and try to rush them all so I can keep up.

There's one part of that conflict that I'm not willing to discuss in detail. In general terms, there was a part of my life that was very destructive for a long time and I felt very guilty about it. I've changed it recently, but still feel bad about it having been there. The guilt made me feel under pressure to get more done with my time, like I had to do enough to make up for it but couldn't really judge how much was enough, so always felt like I had to do more and sucked at lots of things because of it.

Another part is that I'm bad at "cooling off" after a high-intensity period of action when I *am* under time pressure. Like at work I'm often facing time constraints, then after work I take a long time to get out of that mindset and relax and be more open to being dynamic with my time. I usually multitask puzzle games and watching anime or cartoons at that time until I unwind a bit and can try to sleep.

I'm not sure how I can get better at long-term thinking. I try to apply it more when playing games (like if I play that puzzle game more later, I'll try to think ahead more if I'm not tired). I guess it will be easier as I make my mind clearer too (it's easier to think more steps ahead if I am more clear about each step - otherwise later steps start from unclear premises).

Are there good books on getting better at long-term thinking?

Is this something I can just get better at by gradually working towards it and extending the reach of my long-term thinking or are there important techniques to it?]]>
Sun, 19 Feb 2017 09:41:44 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8496 http://curi.us/comments/show/8496
SN Open Discussion
Oops.

I meant "judging from my performance not being noticeably worse now"]]>
Sun, 19 Feb 2017 04:40:59 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8495 http://curi.us/comments/show/8495
SN Open Discussion
I slept 10 hours a night for a few days but that's changed back to my normal 8 now. It was unpleasant for a couple of days (headachey and irritable).

I'm not sure *why* I was irritable.

Irritable seems to be a super common consequence of stopping caffeine, but I don't really know what process resulted in me finding stuff more irritating than usual.

I guess it was a lack of concentration/alertness, so it was harder to deal with typical interaction with people. So when someone did something irritating it was more of a stress on my capabilities/*seemed* like it was more of an imposition than usual because it took me more effort to ignore.

Now I can hardly tell the difference with how I was on caffeine. I think I notice myself being tired more, but I don't think this is a bad thing (I think I was tired a lot when I was on caffeine but couldn't really tell before, judging from my performance being noticeably worse now).

I like hot drinks so I switched to drinking squash with hot water.]]>
Sun, 19 Feb 2017 04:39:50 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8494 http://curi.us/comments/show/8494
SN Scheduling and Thinking
How long did it take you to get comfortable listening at 500 wpm?

Was there some specific skill or technique you needed to get to that?

Is there something more to speed listening than gradually increasing speed and getting used to it?

I currently listen to stuff on Audible at 1.85x speed (or slower for more content-dense stuff) which I'd approximate to be around 250-300 wpm. I'm pretty comfortable with that. I guess I'll try boosting it a bit more. I normally listen on the way to and from work (half an hour walking each way) and sometimes at lunch.

I use a bluetooth earpiece in one ear so I can hear stuff around me with the other.]]>
Sun, 19 Feb 2017 03:30:49 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8493 http://curi.us/comments/show/8493
Anonymous Open Discussion
the point of penalty clauses is to assure the other guy, when you DO expect you will follow through but he doesn't. (it also deals with ways you could fail but it's not your fault, but you're still responsible)

but here you're trying to make yourself do stuff, not trying to enable greater cooperation with others and reduce risk to them so deals can happen. totally different, unrelated, and awful.]]>
Sat, 18 Feb 2017 18:17:13 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8492 http://curi.us/comments/show/8492
penalty clauses Alisa Open Discussion Sat, 18 Feb 2017 18:04:56 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8491 http://curi.us/comments/show/8491 curi Open Discussion Wed, 15 Feb 2017 17:49:44 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8490 http://curi.us/comments/show/8490 curi Open Discussion
because i agree with the statements you consider intentional lies, and i would be happy to say some of them myself, e.g.:

**there was massive voter fraud (MILLIONS!!!!! i'd guess *more than* 5 million but i haven't carefully researched the exact number) in the 2016 prez election.**

Trump is trying to save the country. I stand with him. You came here and joined the chorus of the left trying to attack and discredit Trump. The end goal of attacking Trump, our savior after 28 years of bad presidents, is to destroy civilization. This comes out in lots of specifics like e.g. the movement to shut down our power plants and the movement to destroy Christianity and Judaism while favoring Islam. In the midst of this chorus of evil -- which my blog stands proudly and vocally against -- you threw in your voice. You did not complain about any of the million huge evils of the left, you decided to spend your time attacking Trump on a topic you don't even know much about. like did you even google it? info is so easy to find that i found your initial comments either confusing or indicating lack of willingness to read stuff online. but maybe you're just bad at using google and don't know that's your problem? Here maybe this is what you want: http://www.breitbart.com/california/2017/01/27/voter-fraud/

click every link in that article and you should find enough information to figure out more stuff to google for.

this issue is a little harder to google than most stuff because if you just google something like voter+fraud then the front page of google is covered in lefty propaganda. but if you add a search term like breitbart you'll find lots of info easily.

> I believe he is making a mistake (possibly lying?) when he claims 3-5mil people voted illegally.

you believe this from a position of having absolutely no idea what you're talking about. which isn't reasonable, it's overly hostile, and it's what you're focusing on when civilization is at stake. obama was the worst president for a long time (i haven't researched historical presidents much) and Trump is the one people complain about way more and you joined in that mob and not only called Trump factually mistaken but you went into conspiracy theory claims about how he's an intentional liar and I'm apparently his dupe.]]>
Wed, 15 Feb 2017 17:46:12 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8489 http://curi.us/comments/show/8489
Anonymous Open Discussion Wed, 15 Feb 2017 17:19:09 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8488 http://curi.us/comments/show/8488 Anonymous Open Discussion
My agreement/disagreement with your political views is mixed. I would guess 50% agreement but hard to estimate, shrug.

> > My guess is that Trump&co is lying on purpose because it serves them well.

> note I am part of "&co" so you're calling me a liar for some reason.

No, Trump&co was shorthand for Trump and those who speak directly on his behalf, i.e. White House staff. Going back and re-reading my first use of it, I'm not sure why you would have grouped yourself in there.

> you're dismissing the position of me, Trump and others as dishonest lies for an agenda, without having much clue what our reasoning is.

I voted for Trump, and agree with many political views / ideas he is aligned with.

But Trump is just a man, flawed like the rest of us. I believe he is making a mistake (possibly lying?) when he claims 3-5mil people voted illegally. I'm increasingly concerned with his statements and others from the WH. Trump might actually be more dangerous than I originally anticipated.

I don't doubt that there is some amount of voter fraud happening. And investigating it and doing things to reduce it...all sounds great.

But you seem to have zoomed out / lumped your world view / broader political views, with my criticism of Trump&Co's claims on voter fraud.

There's this common thing, when people are on a "side", they overlook or avoid acknowledging or discussing any criticism of their side. Is that what you're doing? You've conflated a specific comment/criticism with some broader attack on political views and I'm not sure why.

I must run but may respond to some of your other comments later.]]>
Wed, 15 Feb 2017 17:18:42 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8487 http://curi.us/comments/show/8487
curi Open Discussion
> As we know from Reagan’s amnesty, when nearly 1 million illegal immigrants falsely claimed to have been farmworkers to get amnesty, foreigners who have already broken U.S. laws are not always punctilious about telling the truth to government officials. Under the special agricultural amnesty of the 1986 bill, the INS received nearly one hundred thousand applications from “farmworker” illegal aliens living in the lush, fertile farmland of New York City. Another hundred thousand applications were mailed in directly from Mexico.23 Some “farmworkers” told agents that cotton was purple or described pulling cherries from the ground. Within the first three years of the agricultural worker amnesty, the government identified 888,637 fraudulent applications, of which it approved more than 800,000.24 And consider that the age at which someone who is living in the shadows first began living in the shadows is a lot easier to fake than prior farmwork.

the book contains other information about fraud problems with immigrants.

it also talks about how the Democrats are trying to bring in a bunch of third world poor to vote for them.]]>
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