curi blog comments http://curi.us/comments/recent Explanations for the curious en-us Anonymous Critical Preferences
see my essays on the matter, e.g. the linked one above and others at http://curi.us/1595-rationally-resolving-conflicts-of-ideas]]>
Tue, 18 Jul 2017 23:54:39 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8868 http://curi.us/comments/show/8868
Anonymous 25 Robert Spillane Replies
https://www.amazon.com/What-Science-Knows-How/dp/1594032076/

https://www.amazon.com/Science-Conjecture-Evidence-Probability-before/dp/0801865697/

His other books are on different topics (math, Australia, Catholic values) .

I think Spillane brought up Franklin because of Franklin's negative opinion about Popper, rather than because of some important argument Franklin made criticizing CR. Perhaps Spillane liked some pro-induction argument from Franklin which presumably, as usual, ignores some standard CR criticism of induction. Spillane also seems biased to favor Australian thinkers.]]>
Tue, 18 Jul 2017 23:53:36 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8867 http://curi.us/comments/show/8867
Anonymous Critical Preferences that's a COMMON situation. you then have to brainstorm new solutions.


That is a proposal for action. What if you cannot come up with any proposals that work?]]>
Tue, 18 Jul 2017 23:46:40 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8866 http://curi.us/comments/show/8866
Anonymous Critical Preferences
if you have exactly one non-refuted theory about what this objective truth is, and no criticisms of it, you should proceed accordingly. what else could you do? all alternatives are refuted.

your attempts to get around this often rely on using terminology which is reasonably understandable in general conversation, but not suited to speaking precisely about epistemology.]]>
Tue, 18 Jul 2017 22:17:45 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8865 http://curi.us/comments/show/8865
Anonymous Critical Preferences
accepting an idea is an action, a human decision. whether or not you've investigated something enough to accept it, or you should be undecided for now and think about it more first, is relevant to human actions like this.]]>
Tue, 18 Jul 2017 22:15:08 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8864 http://curi.us/comments/show/8864
Anonymous Critical Preferences
of course it is. it's an action you can take in regards to a problem. it may solve your problem, or not.

> The first scenario is that of accepting a scientific theory. The fact that you have one surviving theory, it does not follow that you should accept it. You can remain indifferent.

no, because being indifferent is a rival theory which is refuted (by premise of only one surviving theory).

> Since all possible proposals for actions have been criticised.

that's a COMMON situation. you then have to brainstorm new solutions.

if action becomes URGENT then you brainstorm solutions to the NEW PROBLEM of "what should I do about X situation, given that I am under this time pressure?" the new problems get easier as one more urgently needs a solution and therefore can come up with solutions like "X isn't ideal but b/c i have so little time left I'll take it." (in that way, and X you criticized previously may solve the new, easier problem.)

this is explained at e.g. http://fallibleideas.com/avoiding-coercion]]>
Tue, 18 Jul 2017 22:14:03 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8863 http://curi.us/comments/show/8863
Anonymous Critical Preferences
No, it is not because accepting an idea is to do with whether it is true. A criticism is directed at its truth. That the investigation was not rigorous enough is not a criticism of the proposal.]]>
Tue, 18 Jul 2017 22:09:59 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8862 http://curi.us/comments/show/8862
Anonymous Critical Preferences
Now we have to break this down into two different scenarios.

The first scenario is that of accepting a scientific theory. The fact that you have one surviving theory, it does not follow that you should accept it. You can remain indifferent.

The second scenario is one in which you in a situation where you have to act in some way to solve a problem and the idea is that there is one solution left and that doing nothing has been criticised. But this leads to a serious problem. And that is if it turns out that you have a criticism of this solution. This puts one in an awkward position. Since all possible proposals for actions have been criticised.]]>
Tue, 18 Jul 2017 22:05:07 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8861 http://curi.us/comments/show/8861
Anonymous Critical Preferences
and if you don't think the investigation was rigorous enough, that is a criticism of accepting the one idea remaining from the investigation. so you, again, don't actually have the situation being discussed which is exactly one idea which survived criticism.]]>
Tue, 18 Jul 2017 21:05:30 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8860 http://curi.us/comments/show/8860
Elliot Temple 25 Robert Spillane Replies
My comments on Paths Forward included that it's a philosophy essay I think is Popper compatible, and, "I would like to hear what you think, at least up to the first part you think is bad or false."

I'm glad to hear he answers some emails. Maybe I'll send him an explanation of my criticism of critical preferences and my solution.

I, too, understood Miller to be a CR advocate, so I don't know why Spillane was listing him like that.]]>
Tue, 18 Jul 2017 20:30:08 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8859 http://curi.us/comments/show/8859
John Francis 25 Robert Spillane Replies Tue, 18 Jul 2017 19:32:29 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8858 http://curi.us/comments/show/8858 John Francis 25 Robert Spillane Replies Tue, 18 Jul 2017 19:23:37 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8857 http://curi.us/comments/show/8857 Anonymous Critical Preferences
This refers to the criticisms of the proposals not to the proposals.]]>
Tue, 18 Jul 2017 17:34:53 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8856 http://curi.us/comments/show/8856
Anonymous Critical Preferences
If I accept the state of the investigation, then it follows that there is only one options. But I might not accept that I was rigorous enough.]]>
Tue, 18 Jul 2017 17:32:27 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8855 http://curi.us/comments/show/8855
Anonymous Trillions of Chickens? Tue, 18 Jul 2017 17:19:26 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8854 http://curi.us/comments/show/8854 Anonymous Trillions of Chickens? Tue, 18 Jul 2017 17:16:26 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8853 http://curi.us/comments/show/8853 Anonymous Trillions of Chickens? Tue, 18 Jul 2017 17:14:55 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8852 http://curi.us/comments/show/8852 Anonymous Trillions of Chickens? Tue, 18 Jul 2017 16:53:33 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8851 http://curi.us/comments/show/8851 Anonymous Critical Preferences
if only one option survives criticism, there are NO ALTERNATIVES that have survived criticism, including "do nothing".]]>
Tue, 18 Jul 2017 16:44:42 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8850 http://curi.us/comments/show/8850
Anonymous Critical Preferences Tue, 18 Jul 2017 16:42:51 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8849 http://curi.us/comments/show/8849 Anonymous Trillions of Chickens? Tue, 18 Jul 2017 16:42:05 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8848 http://curi.us/comments/show/8848 Anonymous Critical Preferences Tue, 18 Jul 2017 16:40:21 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8847 http://curi.us/comments/show/8847 Anonymous Trillions of Chickens?

I did some research and saw a figure of about 9 to 10 billion chickens born per year in the last decade. That's why I reckoned on about 40%. But I think this is wrong now after finding the FAO stats. Looking at Producing Animals/Slaughtered figures for chickens, it is about 71 billion globally in 2014 and 4.3 billion in 1961. Summing over 1961 to 2014, the figure is about 860 billion.

http://www.fao.org/faostat/en/?#data/QL

So I think a figure of between 1 and 1.5 trillion chickens for the number of chickens to have been farmed. It won't take long to reach trillions, however.]]>
Tue, 18 Jul 2017 16:38:48 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8846 http://curi.us/comments/show/8846
curi Critical Preferences
> it does not follow from something having no criticism that you should do it.

call the idea X.

it does follow (that you should do X) if X says you should do X (and you have no criticism of X). you need to pay more attention to what X is, which is what i was explaining and you didn't engage with (you just repeated the same mistake i'd just refuted with 3 examples, and responded to none of the 3).]]>
Tue, 18 Jul 2017 16:38:47 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8845 http://curi.us/comments/show/8845
Anonymous Critical Preferences
Err, what? I said it was a lesson of CR. I never spoke about positions.

it does not follow from something having no criticism that you should do it. This is just your own proposal and it does not follow from the investigation, which was exactly my point.]]>
Tue, 18 Jul 2017 16:35:38 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8844 http://curi.us/comments/show/8844
curi Critical Preferences Tue, 18 Jul 2017 15:34:12 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8843 http://curi.us/comments/show/8843 curi Critical Preferences
if the last surviving idea says "you can solve Y problem by Z action", and you have no criticism of that, and you want to solve Y problem, then you should do Z action.

> That is the lesson of critical rationalism.

no, it's *your* position. it's not CR's position.]]>
Tue, 18 Jul 2017 15:32:12 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8842 http://curi.us/comments/show/8842
Anonymous Critical Preferences Tue, 18 Jul 2017 14:33:36 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8841 http://curi.us/comments/show/8841 Anonymous Trillions of Chickens? Tue, 18 Jul 2017 11:56:46 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8840 http://curi.us/comments/show/8840 Anonymous Trillions of Chickens? Tue, 18 Jul 2017 11:47:52 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8839 http://curi.us/comments/show/8839 Anonymous Popper the New Leftist
> To be honest, I'm not sure that, given my other responsibilities, I would be able to read and digest such a long link between now and when the Sun goes out. I also rather suspect that it is irrelevant to the matter at hand (see below).

if he's going to say that the link is irrelevant (implying that he shouldn't read it), then why mention that he doesn't have time to read it?

sounds like *dishonesty*. that's ironic considering he led this with "To be honest".]]>
Tue, 18 Jul 2017 05:56:38 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8838 http://curi.us/comments/show/8838
Anonymous Trillions of Chickens?
Maybe 150 billion chickens from 1960-1995. DD looks wrong.]]>
Mon, 17 Jul 2017 17:15:43 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8837 http://curi.us/comments/show/8837
Anonymous Trillions of Chickens?

@Anonymous: Chickens are killed at age 5-7 weeks.]]>
Mon, 17 Jul 2017 15:10:07 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8836 http://curi.us/comments/show/8836
Chicken Stock Info Anonymous Trillions of Chickens?
http://www.fao.org/faostat/en/#data/QA

In 2014, there were approx 26 billion chickens in global stock based on official data, FAO estimates, and unofficial data. In 2005, there were approx 21 billion. If the turnover rate is, say, around 40%, then that would make something like 100 billion chickens born in ten years from 2005.

In 1961, there were only 2.3 billion chickens, according to the data.

I think you're right that trillions is not accurate. 1 trillion perhaps?]]>
Sun, 16 Jul 2017 18:53:12 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8835 http://curi.us/comments/show/8835
Larry Reply to David Stove on Popper Sun, 16 Jul 2017 08:53:28 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8834 http://curi.us/comments/show/8834 FF Open Files in TextEdit Fri, 14 Jul 2017 21:06:58 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8833 http://curi.us/comments/show/8833 FF Open Files in TextEdit Fri, 14 Jul 2017 21:06:18 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8832 http://curi.us/comments/show/8832 FF Open Files in TextEdit
Is this post telling us to read these books?]]>
Fri, 14 Jul 2017 20:59:59 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8831 http://curi.us/comments/show/8831
kate The Intellectual Social Game
it's much less appreciated if you've accepted a standard of approximately right or sorta in the right ballpark.

especially if, at the same time, you want your ideas to *look* right.]]>
Fri, 14 Jul 2017 09:06:14 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8830 http://curi.us/comments/show/8830
kate The Intellectual Social Game
is this why ppl dislike criticism?]]>
Fri, 14 Jul 2017 08:49:46 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8829 http://curi.us/comments/show/8829
Anonymous Goals and Status Update >> It is very rare for people to be able to concentrate hard for more than three hours a day.

>Justin Mallone Managed to that. "A lot or a huge amount of effort would be something like when i was studying for the NY Bar Exam 12-14 hours a day for a couple of months."

a big amount of that was stuff like passively watching videos, making flash cards, etc. it wasn't all super intense focused mental concentration time. so i don't think what i did really contradicts jordan peterson]]>
Thu, 13 Jul 2017 16:47:19 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8828 http://curi.us/comments/show/8828
Anonymous Exclusivity Thu, 13 Jul 2017 11:24:16 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8827 http://curi.us/comments/show/8827 curi Goals and Status Update Thu, 13 Jul 2017 11:23:11 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8826 http://curi.us/comments/show/8826 Anonymous Exclusivity Thu, 13 Jul 2017 11:16:19 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8825 http://curi.us/comments/show/8825 Anonymous Goals and Status Update http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php/328659-Coders-needed-to-solve-the-images-problem

pro-criticism art website, a lot of history lost due to this issue.]]>
Thu, 13 Jul 2017 11:16:01 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8824 http://curi.us/comments/show/8824
Anonymous Meta Discussion Isn't Bad Thu, 13 Jul 2017 09:28:58 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8823 http://curi.us/comments/show/8823 curi Goals and Status Update
1) hearing what words are said (and seeing what's going on in the video)

2) understanding it, having time to think enough to follow the concepts

for lots of stuff i'm still bottlenecked by (1). i gradually improved (1) over time a lot but it's getting harder and harder to hear words faster. compressing a word into 1/3 of the time distorts it and leaves out information. there's a limit on how much it can be compressed and still be understandable.

for some stuff i'm bottlenecked by (2). that stuff is more interesting.

understanding which thing is limiting your speed helps u know what to change to go faster.

it's not all that hard to get past 2x for issue (1). just practice for a year or two with gradual speed increases and i think most people should be able to do it.

thinking faster is harder to improve at. to get near my speed at (2) you'd probably need to be near my philosophy skill level too. that helps with effective thinking with fewer errors.]]>
Thu, 13 Jul 2017 09:28:18 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8822 http://curi.us/comments/show/8822
kate Meta Discussion Isn't Bad
why are these meta? suppose someone writes an essay on error-correcting methods of thinking. is that meta?]]>
Thu, 13 Jul 2017 07:14:01 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8821 http://curi.us/comments/show/8821
FF Goals and Status Update
I can't watch videos at super high speed but I am watching a lot of videos at 2x after reading about it on FI... I use them for non entertainment informative youtube videos.]]>
Thu, 13 Jul 2017 05:40:56 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8820 http://curi.us/comments/show/8820
FF Goals and Status Update
> It is very rare for people to be able to concentrate hard for more than three hours a day.

Justin Mallone Managed to that. "A lot or a huge amount of effort would be something like when i was studying for the NY Bar Exam 12-14 hours a day for a couple of months."]]>
Wed, 12 Jul 2017 23:21:40 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8819 http://curi.us/comments/show/8819
FF Goals and Status Update
: (]]>
Wed, 12 Jul 2017 23:19:47 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8818 http://curi.us/comments/show/8818
FF Goals and Status Update
I am one of those people. That's why I pirate a lot of stuff to prevent myself resenting paying. I buy after I confirm it is a good app/software.]]>
Wed, 12 Jul 2017 23:18:06 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8817 http://curi.us/comments/show/8817
FF Goals and Status Update
gives = giving]]>
Wed, 12 Jul 2017 23:15:31 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8816 http://curi.us/comments/show/8816
FF Goals and Status Update
The Ray Dalio guy has also stopped gives out free knowledge. His site principles.com now has a link to buy a book instead.]]>
Wed, 12 Jul 2017 23:13:13 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8815 http://curi.us/comments/show/8815
FF Goals and Status Update Wed, 12 Jul 2017 22:25:54 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8814 http://curi.us/comments/show/8814 Anonymous Goals and Status Update Wed, 12 Jul 2017 22:08:50 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8813 http://curi.us/comments/show/8813 FF Goals and Status Update Wed, 12 Jul 2017 22:06:57 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8812 http://curi.us/comments/show/8812 curi The Intellectual Social Game Wed, 12 Jul 2017 12:41:19 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8811 http://curi.us/comments/show/8811 FF Open Discussion it’s too hard. then ask a question about what you find hard. then you
can make progress instead of giving up.

good idea!]]>
Tue, 11 Jul 2017 11:05:41 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8810 http://curi.us/comments/show/8810
FF Here Be Dragons – A Bad Approach to Critical Thinking
It is not public. I thought I could access it without creating an a/c]]>
Tue, 11 Jul 2017 10:59:56 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8809 http://curi.us/comments/show/8809
FF Open Discussion
> is it because they’re jealous?

> is it because they want people to know they are proud of being black?

I have found this while googling. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_American_Vernacular_English]]>
Tue, 11 Jul 2017 10:56:52 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8808 http://curi.us/comments/show/8808
Anonymous Here Be Dragons – A Bad Approach to Critical Thinking Tue, 11 Jul 2017 10:53:49 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8807 http://curi.us/comments/show/8807 FF Here Be Dragons – A Bad Approach to Critical Thinking Tue, 11 Jul 2017 10:49:44 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8806 http://curi.us/comments/show/8806 FF Open Discussion
lol]]>
Tue, 11 Jul 2017 10:44:54 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8805 http://curi.us/comments/show/8805
FF Open Discussion Tue, 11 Jul 2017 10:30:15 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8804 http://curi.us/comments/show/8804 Anonymous Here Be Dragons – A Bad Approach to Critical Thinking Tue, 11 Jul 2017 10:24:50 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8803 http://curi.us/comments/show/8803 FF Here Be Dragons – A Bad Approach to Critical Thinking Tue, 11 Jul 2017 10:21:10 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8802 http://curi.us/comments/show/8802 FF Open Discussion Tue, 11 Jul 2017 10:01:14 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8801 http://curi.us/comments/show/8801 FF Open Discussion
Elliot has written reading recommendations and listed chapter numbers too (He hadn't done that before). He might create more essays or gumroad stuff if people waited longer. People might get a easy version of popper on gumroad.]]>
Tue, 11 Jul 2017 09:51:11 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8800 http://curi.us/comments/show/8800
Anonymous Open Discussion
not if they can understand the issues without reading it all, or come up with any other way of proceeding.]]>
Tue, 11 Jul 2017 09:37:55 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8799 http://curi.us/comments/show/8799
FF Open Discussion
Does a person need to read all the popper material to bring a discussion to a conclusion?

Will listing out idea changes pre and post discussion enough?]]>
Tue, 11 Jul 2017 09:35:12 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8798 http://curi.us/comments/show/8798
FF Greed
They would include rich people who became rich from the win/win interactions as evil too if they don't pledge to give away 99% of the wealth.]]>
Tue, 11 Jul 2017 09:25:26 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8797 http://curi.us/comments/show/8797
FF Open Discussion Tue, 11 Jul 2017 09:11:59 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8796 http://curi.us/comments/show/8796 FF Greed Tue, 11 Jul 2017 09:04:39 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8795 http://curi.us/comments/show/8795 curi Comments on: Personality or performance?: The case against personality testing in management
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/finding-the-next-einstein/201112/polymath-physicist-richard-feynmans-low-iq-and-finding-another

The page gives the excuse-explanation that the IQ test focused on verbal skills. Wouldn't that make it inaccurate, which is the point?]]>
Sun, 09 Jul 2017 09:22:33 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8794 http://curi.us/comments/show/8794
Antifa applaud speech made up of Hitler quotes Alisa Jews
> [Video:] "Anti-fascist," anti-Trump protesters applaud speech comprised entirely of Hitler quotes.]]>
Sun, 09 Jul 2017 09:08:55 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8793 http://curi.us/comments/show/8793
Anonymous Comments on: Personality or performance?: The case against personality testing in management
i tried watching a few videos on youtube. most of them looked bad, confusing and more focused on homework and calculation steps than explanation. you can often just tell by the title or within 30 seconds. i found this lack of good explanations annoying and it's something i've encountered when looking for *explanations* of math stuff before.

this video was okay though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq8VU5KLmkY

the guy uses "explain" in the way elliot criticizes here:

>This use of the word "explain" is standard in these fields and really bad. They use "explain" to talk about correlations, contrary to standard English. In regular English, explanations tell you why, how or because. The implication when they say "explain" is it's telling you why – that is, it's telling you about causes. But correlations aren't causes, so this use of language is dishonest.

but video guy also talks sensibly about the mathematical concepts, so it was good to see how the mathematical concepts connected with this use of language

BTW i'm not very good at math so i might have misunderstood him. i watched the vid a couple of times and paused a bunch to try and follow it.

anyways as far as i could tell, he said that if you have some data points, and you figure out what the mean of the y-values (he calls this y-bar) and the line of best fit (he calls this y-hat) are, then you call the variation of each data point from y-bar to y-hat the amount of the variation that is "explained" by changes in x, and the variation of each data point from y-hat to the actual data point is "unexplained."

i thought this was interesting. cuz it seems like, under this usage of language, the only way you couldn't say there was some portion of some variable that was explained by some other variable is if the relationship between them was zero!]]>
Sun, 09 Jul 2017 06:35:32 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8792 http://curi.us/comments/show/8792
Anonymous Frozen Comments Sun, 09 Jul 2017 03:36:29 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8791 http://curi.us/comments/show/8791 ff [Excerpt] Just read an email by someone who thinks Sun, 09 Jul 2017 02:04:28 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8790 http://curi.us/comments/show/8790 Responding to previous Anon Parents As Rulers 2
> Logically it is hard to defend swimming (or maybe base-jumping) but illogical things are often enjoyable - eating unhealthy food, say.

So what if it's "hard"?

Dumbass


> By holding your position [if indeed that is your position] you ultimately must hold that a parent has no right to prevent their child from harm. Harm being such things as failure to fit in to society. If my son goes to hit another child in a way that will bring great harm (not just a little scuffle) then I exert a controlling power over him to prevent his wilful action and to instruct him that malicious violence is not a beneficial social activity.

WOW @ the vagueness of "Harm being such things as failure to fit in to society." People could use this to justify doing anything to their child.

@ "prevent his wilful action", that's just defense of the other child. There's no problem reconciling that with "The parents have no right to control their children." This guy seems to think that freedom means being allowed to do violence on others. Like the Muslims who emigrate to Western countries and think that freedom means things like they get to wear the birka (completely covering the face) in a bank that wants to record people's faces for security reasons.


> Not wanting to judge, but you come across in this piece as a teenager. As a teen I didn't appreciate the benefits that my parent's control of me wrought in my life, as a parent I understand more how that control helped me to develop and derive value as a person.

@ not wanting to judge. Liar. His whole comment is full of judgements. Well, maybe part of him doesn't want to judge and part of him does? so, does that mean he's not lying?]]>
Fri, 07 Jul 2017 19:42:09 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8789 http://curi.us/comments/show/8789
Anonymous Learning By Force 2 Fri, 07 Jul 2017 19:32:20 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8788 http://curi.us/comments/show/8788 Responding to Anon in #1762 Anonymous Learning By Force 2
> The child wants to be happy at any cost because the cost is to others and not himself.

This person thinks conflicts of interest are inherent, which is false.

There's no law of nature that would cause the child to be ok with parent being unhappy.

If child IS ok with parent being unhappy, that is not because of the laws of nature and instead it's because of bad history between parent and child. For example, the parent has done tons of things to the child in the past that showed the child that the parent is completely ok with doing things that make the child unhappy. So the parent is causing the conflicts. The parent is preventing the child from choosing win/win ways forward.

The rest of the previous Anon's comment is junk because again it assumes that somebody MUST be unhappy and that children can't possibly change their minds if they knew their current idea of what to do would make their parents unhappy.]]>
Fri, 07 Jul 2017 19:28:20 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8787 http://curi.us/comments/show/8787
curi Comments on: Personality or performance?: The case against personality testing in management
https://www.abbyy.com/en-us/finereader/]]>
Fri, 07 Jul 2017 15:53:46 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8786 http://curi.us/comments/show/8786
ff Fallible Ideas Email: Figuring out what you want from a discussion Thu, 06 Jul 2017 22:50:59 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8785 http://curi.us/comments/show/8785 ff [Excerpt] From [Summercamp](https://www.nickscipio.... Thu, 06 Jul 2017 22:03:18 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8784 http://curi.us/comments/show/8784 Anonymous Open Discussion
exactly. that was so blatant. and she was recently told about this very issue and just *ignores advice* and then gets discouraged that people don't want to reply to her a ton.]]>
Thu, 06 Jul 2017 16:07:16 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8783 http://curi.us/comments/show/8783
Good philosophy by Dan Heisman Alisa Open Discussion
> You improve (and your rating goes up) when you 1) learn a new pattern or principle or 2) when you identify a mistake and are able to avoid repeating it - not when you win a bunch of games." = adding positives and subtracting negatives. **Figuring out how to identify and avoid repeating mistakes is one of the best things you can do!**

Nice Popperian take. Good emphasis on not repeating mistakes.


> "It always struck me as strange that someone would study something subtle that could take one from 2300 to 2303, when what they really needed was something basic to take them from 1400 to 1450!"

Like people who [talk about neurons when they can't seem to write a sentence that says what they mean](https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/fallible-ideas/conversations/messages/22084).

> "In chess, if you learn to consistently (each move) do the little things in chess: take your time, count the material effect of your move, and check for basic tactics, and you will soon find that these are not so little!"

Correctly doing the important "little" things adds up to a lot. Also, the so-called "little" things are not trivial. It takes skill, which many people lack, to routinely do the "little" things correctly.

> Practice not until you get it right, but until you NEVER get it wrong.

Good emphasis on attaining perfection with regard to completely eliminating a particular mistake.]]>
Thu, 06 Jul 2017 15:29:45 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8782 http://curi.us/comments/show/8782
Anonymous Greed
I guess they would say that doing win/win interactions isn't selfish or greedy. Or they'd say it's impossible.]]>
Tue, 04 Jul 2017 15:36:29 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8781 http://curi.us/comments/show/8781
FF Greed Mon, 03 Jul 2017 19:52:47 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8780 http://curi.us/comments/show/8780 Anonymous Moana Review
you may think it's dumb, but where are children going to get a better model of how this stuff works?]]>
Mon, 03 Jul 2017 11:58:58 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8779 http://curi.us/comments/show/8779
ff Moana Review Mon, 03 Jul 2017 08:31:26 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8778 http://curi.us/comments/show/8778 ff Moana Review Mon, 03 Jul 2017 08:17:04 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8777 http://curi.us/comments/show/8777 ff Open Discussion Mon, 03 Jul 2017 02:36:23 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8776 http://curi.us/comments/show/8776 FF Open Discussion
I remember Elliot saying that one should say " Stop Rape " to make it a rape. Dominique didn't say that. She enjoyed it.]]>
Sun, 02 Jul 2017 20:33:37 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8775 http://curi.us/comments/show/8775
Anonymous Open Discussion Sun, 02 Jul 2017 20:16:26 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8774 http://curi.us/comments/show/8774 FF Open Discussion
> it wasn't a rape scene. rape is a violent crime. they flirted and then eventually banged. they like rough sex and roleplay.
> Rand understates/underestimates the amount of verbal communication that it takes for people to understand each other well. in general, not just in this part of the book. she doesn't present a lot of minor misunderstandings getting cleared up. admittedly i think it's typical to omit those in fiction because they'd just be minor distractions (kinda like scenes where people go to the bathroom -- that's realistic but why put it in?), so that makes it harder to tell what she really thinks. but it's not purely a matter of omission, she also has comments about people judging/understanding others by their appearance and does some things to present some stuff as actually being low communication including the Roark/Dominique early phase relationship.

Why is she saying it was rape when it wasn't?]]>
Sun, 02 Jul 2017 20:12:42 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8773 http://curi.us/comments/show/8773
FF Open Discussion Sun, 02 Jul 2017 20:05:23 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8772 http://curi.us/comments/show/8772 FF Open Discussion Sun, 02 Jul 2017 10:29:31 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8771 http://curi.us/comments/show/8771 ff Open Discussion
why is she saying that it was rape without consent?]]>
Sun, 02 Jul 2017 08:47:56 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8770 http://curi.us/comments/show/8770
curi Open Discussion
i liked this review and left the following comment (which is in moderation, and the newest blog post is nearly 2 years old so it may never appear):

good post. it's nice to see an accurate review/summary instead of a pile of misunderstandings!

regarding mind and brain:

the brain is a universal computer, like a Mac or PC. it can run any possible computation, just like a Mac or PC or even the computer chip in your microwave. computational universality is common and cheap. (see David Deutsch's books for more info, or read about Turing, computation, etc)

so in general we understand what a Mac or PC does by the software it's running. they may use the same intel chip, but then the operating system is different. and then the application you're currently running, and its settings, and the data the software reads from the disk, can all differ from computer to computer.

the hardware level is irrelevant to understanding most aspects of what computers do. we can abstract it away. all computer chips have the same repertoire of possible functions (all computations). but different software does different things.

the brain is universal hardware (so everyone's brain, at the hardware level, has the same capabilities). the mind is software, and people's software differs. the data they save to disk also differs. i am speaking literally, not metaphorically. minds are literally computer programs, and just like Chrome (the web browser), most of its function and meaning is independent of the specific hardware it's running on.]]>
Sat, 01 Jul 2017 10:00:17 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8769 http://curi.us/comments/show/8769
Anonymous Open Discussion Sat, 01 Jul 2017 08:37:19 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8768 http://curi.us/comments/show/8768 ff Open Discussion
why would wynand lose dominique if roark is saved? roark was a free man before the demolition why didn't wynand lose her then?]]>
Sat, 01 Jul 2017 07:40:03 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8767 http://curi.us/comments/show/8767
FF Open Discussion
The font size, portrait mode and the size of my phone changed the number of pages to 935 for me. I am reading from a epub book not a pdf book( Fixed number of pages)]]>
Fri, 30 Jun 2017 09:51:39 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8766 http://curi.us/comments/show/8766
Anonymous Open Discussion Fri, 30 Jun 2017 09:29:03 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8765 http://curi.us/comments/show/8765 Anonymous Open Discussion
so you're showing 80% of a print page per phone page. that's actually most of it. you must be using a small font.]]>
Fri, 30 Jun 2017 09:26:18 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8764 http://curi.us/comments/show/8764
FF Open Discussion
I hope I won't get banned.]]>
Fri, 30 Jun 2017 08:16:49 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8763 http://curi.us/comments/show/8763
FF Open Discussion Fri, 30 Jun 2017 01:35:31 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8762 http://curi.us/comments/show/8762 FF Open Discussion Fri, 30 Jun 2017 01:33:27 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8761 http://curi.us/comments/show/8761 FF Open Discussion
Like Peter Keating's problems?]]>
Fri, 30 Jun 2017 01:31:26 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8760 http://curi.us/comments/show/8760
Anonymous Abortion and Planned Parenthood Thu, 29 Jun 2017 15:59:09 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8759 http://curi.us/comments/show/8759 Anti-semitism on college campuses Alisa Jews
> For while the Zionists try to make the rest of the world believe that the national consciousness of the Jew finds its satisfaction in the creation of a Palestinian state, the Jews again slyly dupe the dumb Goyim. It doesn’t even enter their heads to build up a Jewish state in Palestine for the purpose of living there; all they want is a central organization for their international world swindle, endowed with its own sovereign rights and removed from the intervention of other states: a haven for convicted scoundrels and a university for budding crooks.

The source of that statement? [Hitler's Mein Kampf](http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/excerpts-from-mein-kampf)]]>
Thu, 29 Jun 2017 14:56:56 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8758 http://curi.us/comments/show/8758
Was Margaret Sanger racist? Alisa Abortion and Planned Parenthood
> She openly talked about doing her eugenics by **race**.

And that's your evidence that she's a racist? What evidence is there that she was using the word "race" there to refer to existing races like black, white, or asian? She just says she wanted a race of people who were not "unfit".

> She spoke at a KKK meeting.

Yes, among many other places. Sanger wrote:

>> "All over the world, in Penang and Skagway, in El Paso and Helsingfors, I have found women’s psychology in the matter of childbearing essentially the same, no matter what class, religion, or economic status. **Always to me any aroused group was a good group**, and therefore I accepted an invitation to talk to the women’s branch of the Ku Klux Klan at silver Lake, New Jersey, one of the weirdest experiences I had in lecturing... In the end, through simple illustrations I believed I had accomplished my purpose. A dozen invitations to speak to similar groups were proffered.”

I've seen no evidence that she accepted any of those offers.

> Also in 1939, Sanger turned her attention specifically to the reproductive practices of **black** Americans.

Maybe Sanger wanted to weed out "unfit" people (which to her included being poor). So, in the black community, Sanger found a convenient population of poor people to go after?

> Her colleagues said lots of nasty, racist stuff too.

So she worked with bad people to accomplish her bad agenda. Doesn't mean she shared all their beliefs. Vdare has published an article advocating disarming black people, but the FI newsletter links to their site. amren.com is explicitly racist, yet their hate crime map is good work (Ann Coulter links to it).

> http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jul/13/steve-deace-planned-parenthood-the-next-relic-from/

That article by Steve Deace misquotes Sanger. He claims Sanger said:

>> “(We) are seeking to assist the white race toward the elimination of the unfit (blacks).” ([Birth Control and Racial Betterment](https://www.nyu.edu/projects/sanger/webedition/app/documents/show.php?sangerDoc=143449.xml), 1919)

But the only thing in Birth Control and Racial Betterment that contains the phrase "seeking to assist" is the first sentence, which reads, in full:

>>> Before eugenists and others who are laboring for racial betterment can succeed, they must first clear the way for Birth Control. Like the advocates of Birth Control, the eugenists, for instance, are seeking to assist the race toward the elimination of the unfit.

Deace added the words white and black and doesn't show that his additions are consistent with Sanger's intended meaning.

Deace also added the word "white" to other quotes, such as:

>> Birth Control to create a (white) race of thoroughbreds

What evidence is there that Sanger intended that meaning?

Deace goes on to say:

>> In both word and deed, there has never been a more successful racist in America than Sanger and the Planned Parenthood she gave birth to. Together they have killed more black Americans than all the Confederate flags combined.

This sargues that Sanger's policies were racist *in effect*, not that they were racist in *intent*. But if discriminatory *effects* were enough to make one racist, wouldn't any employer be racist who hires based on IQ tests?

Hitler, for comparison, was a racist who intentionally targeted Jews for annihilation:

>>> Jewry is unqualifiedly a racial association and not a religious association... Rational anti-semitism['s] final objective must unswervingly be the removal of the Jews altogether.

Back to anon:

> http://www.blackgenocide.org/sanger.html

This is a compilation of two articles from other sources. The first article definitely does not argue that Sanger is a racist, at least, not using that word. It includes the word "racist" only once, in this sentence:

>> Sanger's other colleagues included avowed and sophisticated racists.

The second article is this one: http://womensenews.org/2001/07/sangers-legacy-reproductive-freedom-and-racism/ . It begins by saying (bold mine):

>> Despite Margaret Sanger’s contributions to birth control and hence women’s freedom and empowerment, her legacy is diminished by her sympathies with eugenics. This writer says that, like many modern feminists, **Sanger ignored class and race**.

So the second article explicitly says that Sanger *wasn't* racist against blacks. It concludes:

>> Sanger published the Birth Control Review at the same time that black men, returning from World War I, were lynched in uniform. That she did not see the harm in embracing exclusionary jargon about sterilization and immigration suggests that she was, at best, socially myopic.]]>
Thu, 29 Jun 2017 13:59:55 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8757 http://curi.us/comments/show/8757
curi Open Discussion Thu, 29 Jun 2017 10:29:31 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8756 http://curi.us/comments/show/8756 ff Open Discussion Thu, 29 Jun 2017 10:07:11 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8755 http://curi.us/comments/show/8755 Anonymous Abortion and Planned Parenthood
> Also in 1939, Sanger turned her attention specifically to the reproductive practices of **black** Americans.

(emphasis added. and read the whole paragraph that comes from, or maybe even the whole page, before you demand cites for information found on the webpage you already found)

you should use multiple search terms, like e.g. "black" or "negro", before you jump into the fray to defend evil people and demand counter-arguments.]]>
Wed, 28 Jun 2017 22:21:48 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8754 http://curi.us/comments/show/8754
Anonymous Abortion and Planned Parenthood
She openly talked about doing her eugenics by **race**. She spoke at a KKK meeting. Her colleagues said lots of nasty, racist stuff too.

You could easily have found info about this if you wanted to. Are you trying to pressure other people to do research for you because you're lazy?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jul/13/steve-deace-planned-parenthood-the-next-relic-from/

http://www.blackgenocide.org/sanger.html]]>
Wed, 28 Jun 2017 22:12:09 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8753 http://curi.us/comments/show/8753
Was Margaret Sanger racist? Alisa Abortion and Planned Parenthood
I just read [Margaret Sanger's profile at DiscoverTheNetworks](http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=1816) and while she does indeed appear to have been a communist and eugenicist, I didn't see anything there about her being a racist.

The only place the word 'racist' appears on her page is in this sentence:

> As editor of The Birth Control Review, Sanger regularly published the sort of hard racists we normally associate with Goebbels or Himmler.

Okay, so she edited a journal that published people who were very racist. There can be multiple explanations for that. For example, maybe the papers they published in her journal advocated eugenics in general, not racism. I think if DiscoverTheNetworks had more damning evidence that she was a racist, they would have presented it.

The page also quotes from a letter in which Sanger wrote, "We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population". The page goes on to say (bold mine):

> Some anti-abortionists have interpreted the preceding sentence to mean that Sanger wished to deliberately enact a genocide against black people. Daniel Flynn addresses this notion as follows: “**Did Sanger intend to 'exterminate' blacks? Probably not.** In fact, with this letter she was actually trying to combat the notion that she sought to exterminate blacks; she wanted to enlist clergy to prevent misinformation about the program from spreading.... Regardless of intent, the effect of her program was nefarious enough—to suppress the black population.”

Being racist "in effect" isn't the same as being actually racist (that is, racist in intent). Otherwise IQ tests would be racist.

>> [Sanger] liked abortion because she wanted fewer black, poor and stupid people to exist.

Cite for Sanger wanting fewer black people specifically? It looks to me as if poverty and stupidity, not race, were Sanger's actual criteria for deciding whom to weed out.]]>
Wed, 28 Jun 2017 20:29:39 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8752 http://curi.us/comments/show/8752
FF Open Discussion Wed, 28 Jun 2017 09:54:56 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8751 http://curi.us/comments/show/8751 Anonymous Open Discussion
https://www.amazon.com/Passion-Ayn-Rands-Critics-Brandens/dp/1930754671

> The Passion of Ayn Rand's Critics: The Case Against the Brandens

(i don't know how good that rebuttal is.)

be aware also that

1) Rand had a major falling out with the Brandens

2) Barbara Branden waited until a bit after Ayn Rand died to do her book. this prevented Rand from contradicting it.

the falling out was 1968, Rand died 1982, and Barbara published 1986. she had a long time to do the book before Rand died.]]>
Wed, 28 Jun 2017 09:22:11 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8750 http://curi.us/comments/show/8750
Anonymous Open Discussion Wed, 28 Jun 2017 09:15:38 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8749 http://curi.us/comments/show/8749 FF Open Discussion Wed, 28 Jun 2017 09:13:24 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8748 http://curi.us/comments/show/8748 FF Open Discussion Tue, 27 Jun 2017 20:31:41 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8747 http://curi.us/comments/show/8747 He knows Sazasz Anonymous Stop Saying Lies and Other People's Ideas Tue, 27 Jun 2017 05:31:22 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8746 http://curi.us/comments/show/8746 Theodore Dalrymple on Feminism & Islam Alisa Open Discussion
> **FP:** You discuss the horrifying suffering that women endure under the vicious and sadistic structures of Islam’s gender apartheid. You touch on the eerie silence of Western leftist feminists on this issue, noting “Where two pieties – feminism and multi-culturalism – come into conflict, the only way of preserving both is an indecent silence.”

> To be sure, the Left has long posed as a great champion of women’s rights, gay rights, minorti rights, democratic rights etc. Yet today, it has reached out in solidarity with the most fascistic women-hating, gay-hating, minority-hating and democracy hating force on the face of the earth – Islamism.

>What gives? It’s really nothing new though is it? (i.e. the Left’s political pilgrimages to communist gulags etc.)

> **Dalrymple:** I think the problem here is one of a desired self-image. Tolerance is the greatest moral virtue and broadmindedness the greatest intellectual one. Moreover, no decent person can be other than a feminist. People therefore want to be both multiculturalist and feminist. But multiculturalism and feminism obviously clash; therefore, you avoid the necessity to give up one or the other merely by disregarding the phenomena. How you feel about yourself is more important to you than the state of the world.]]>
Sun, 25 Jun 2017 11:56:43 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8745 http://curi.us/comments/show/8745
Theodore Dalrymple on Political Correctness Alisa Open Discussion
> Political correctness is communist propaganda writ small. In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, nor to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil, and in some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.]]>
Sun, 25 Jun 2017 11:52:54 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8744 http://curi.us/comments/show/8744
Anonymous Open Discussion Sat, 24 Jun 2017 08:28:14 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8743 http://curi.us/comments/show/8743 Anonymous Open Discussion Sat, 24 Jun 2017 08:27:18 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8742 http://curi.us/comments/show/8742 ff Open Discussion
why doesn't Roark co-operate? should we all prefer to work alone like him?]]>
Sat, 24 Jun 2017 04:15:51 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8741 http://curi.us/comments/show/8741
FF Open Discussion Sat, 24 Jun 2017 02:34:38 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8740 http://curi.us/comments/show/8740 FF Open Discussion Sat, 24 Jun 2017 02:03:12 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8739 http://curi.us/comments/show/8739 FF Open Discussion
I don't like some parts of him. I don't like that he enjoys destroying good people with integrity. I like that he has power to do anything and isn't losing (Currently) like Roark.]]>
Sat, 24 Jun 2017 01:06:09 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8738 http://curi.us/comments/show/8738
Anonymous Open Discussion Fri, 23 Jun 2017 22:27:21 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8737 http://curi.us/comments/show/8737 FF Open Discussion Fri, 23 Jun 2017 22:26:47 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8736 http://curi.us/comments/show/8736 FF Open Discussion Fri, 23 Jun 2017 18:27:35 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8735 http://curi.us/comments/show/8735 FF Open Discussion
"a" sounds bad.]]>
Fri, 23 Jun 2017 17:57:54 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8734 http://curi.us/comments/show/8734
Why not "People of Whiteness"? Alisa Open Discussion
> the term People of Color is used heavily by the left, because it is person first language. But whites are called whites without regard to personhood (or "peoplehood", maybe more accurately, since it's about the group rather than the individual). In fact, whites are only allowed to see themselves as a people in the context of guilt and shame. PoC's are allowed to feel good about their peoplehood.

Interesting point. The left doesn't call whites "People of Whiteness" because that would emphasize their personhood.]]>
Fri, 23 Jun 2017 15:36:50 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8733 http://curi.us/comments/show/8733
ff Open Discussion Fri, 23 Jun 2017 04:11:41 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8732 http://curi.us/comments/show/8732 curi What Philosophy Takes
you don't have to say those words to yourself to do it. you don't have to think clearly about what you're doing or why. you don't have to understand yourself.

it's possible to say those exact words if you have some confusion about how life works, how morality works, how reason works, how English works, etc.

people don't commonly say those exact words. but they say *related* things. e.g. that they dislike philosophy discussion, or they aren't an intellectual, or they find "comfort" in Christianity, or they tried to be unconventional but it was too hard so they stopped.

people seem to find it easier to admit bad things in songs. e.g. consider these very popular lyrics which people teach to their young children:

http://www.metrolyrics.com/let-it-go-lyrics-idina-menzel.html

> No right, no wrong, no rules for me,
> I'm free!

btw the same song contains a blatant lie:

> The cold never bothered me anyway

which is a typical kind of lie people tell. something bothered them – and often still bothers them – but they lie and say they aren't bothered.

people lie to themselves more than to others. they face various pressures in life and want to be various things and there are contradictions so they have to either make honest choices to reject some things ... or lie. that's one of the many ways they end up lying to themselves. rationalizations are common.

there are plenty of things people don't like about reason, thinking, truth-seeking. like some truths say they are WRONG to want to "let it go" as the song is titled, which is a rejection of thinking and problem solving in favor of GIVING UP on sorting out their life rationally. instead of dealing with the issues, stop worrying about them... but most people don't want to openly embrace irrationality, openly reject morality, etc, so they lie. they say they are singing "let it go" and it's just fun and blah blah blah. ask them what it means to them and watch them lie. and they aren't just lying to you. they are lying to themselves that it means good things, then acting on it like it means bad things.

indoctrinating children with subtle lies is worth over a billion dollars... people pay for the *help* lying. they want to go to Pleasure Island (Pinocchio was a different kind of movie) but they don't want to admit that's what they want, so they need to fool themselves.

> what exactly does he think is working?

he isn't doing much thinking... he didn't think that through clearly with rational analysis, and he doesn't want to. he'd rather let reason go right along with morality.]]>
Thu, 22 Jun 2017 18:39:49 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8731 http://curi.us/comments/show/8731
Scientific Cuddles vs. Criticism Alisa Open Discussion
> If nobody criticizes my work, I won’t learn that I’m wrong. Or probably I will know that I’m wrong because that’s my null hypothesis, but I will never learn that I am much wronger than I think I am and in a multitude of ways. We all need critical feedback from our scientific community to learn. Sparing others from the potential negative emotions will do them a disservice in the long run, because science is about figuring out the truth, not about feeling good.

> But even though valid scientific criticism can help us learn, it need not be constructive in the sense in which the word is normally used, ”maybe instead of trying it this way, wouldn’t it be nice if you tried it that way?” If somebody points out a valid problem in my work, it is not their job to suggest a solution—that is first and foremost my job, because I decided to dive into that particular research question and now have to figure out the best way to address it. If there is actually no proper solution, tough luck—for me.

> Scientific criticism does not even need to be nice and friendly. Sure, I generally prefer people who don’t act like assholes, and I firmly believe that being an asshole is not the most effective way to interact with others. But the question of whether a critic is being an asshole is orthogonal to the validity of the scientific argument they raise. If they make a good point, they make a good point.

(h/t [@RetractionWatch](https://twitter.com/RetractionWatch/status/878032802767183872))]]>
Thu, 22 Jun 2017 16:39:21 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8730 http://curi.us/comments/show/8730
same Anon as above What Philosophy Takes
he believes in christianity, at least partly, because he doesn't believe that some things that happened in his life could be explained as just coincidences. he thinks those events could only have happened if there is a God. for example, he has pain, then he prays to God, then he feels better.

people have told him that an alternative explanation for these events is the placebo effect. and his answer to that is "well even if it is just placebo effect, it works! so..."

this is him saying "well even if i am just fooling myself, it's working!"

what exactly does he think is working?]]>
Thu, 22 Jun 2017 16:24:27 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8729 http://curi.us/comments/show/8729
Anonymous What Philosophy Takes
like how could somebody say the words "i want to fool myself" to himself?]]>
Thu, 22 Jun 2017 16:20:08 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8728 http://curi.us/comments/show/8728
Anonymous Harry Binswanger Refuses To Think Fri, 16 Jun 2017 10:58:48 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8727 http://curi.us/comments/show/8727 Anonymous Aristotle (and Peikoff and Popper)
Essences stuff also bad.]]>
Fri, 16 Jun 2017 00:56:25 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8726 http://curi.us/comments/show/8726
FF Open Discussion > with you. So I didn't intend trying to sell you Peter Keating." "No?
> What did you intend?" "Only to ask that you give half an hour of your
> time to someone who can convince you of Peter Keating's ability much
> better than I can." "Who is that?" "Mrs. Peter Keating." "Why should I
> wish to discuss this matter with Mrs. Peter Keating?" "Because she is
> an exceedingly beautiful woman and an extremely difficult one." Wynand
> threw his head back and laughed aloud. "Good God, Toohey, am I as
> obvious as that?" Toohey, blinked, unprepared. "Really, Mr. Toohey, I
> owe you an apology, if, by allowing my tastes to become so well known,
> I caused you to be so crude. But I had no idea that among your many
> other humanitarian activities you were also a pimp."

lol]]>
Thu, 15 Jun 2017 06:29:25 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8725 http://curi.us/comments/show/8725
Anonymous Valuing Criticism
ask for ideas.

> what if you don't value anything highly?

look around. find stuff. consider stuff. try stuff. see what you like some and try going deeper.

and think about what's worth valuing and why, and include that stuff in your explorations. also include lots of stuff other people value in your explorations.]]>
Tue, 13 Jun 2017 15:12:16 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8724 http://curi.us/comments/show/8724
Anonymous Valuing Criticism
what if you don't value anything highly? or you don't know what you value?]]>
Tue, 13 Jun 2017 14:04:57 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8723 http://curi.us/comments/show/8723
Anonymous Valuing Criticism
this only works if you actually have some confidence that you can actually improve.

what if you don't think you will be able to improve? what if you just find problems, and don't have any ideas on how to improve them and make your life better?]]>
Tue, 13 Jun 2017 14:03:45 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8722 http://curi.us/comments/show/8722
FF Open Discussion Mon, 12 Jun 2017 23:18:13 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8721 http://curi.us/comments/show/8721 Anonymous Churchill and Roosevelt Betrayed Hundreds of Thousands to Death Mon, 12 Jun 2017 10:44:45 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8720 http://curi.us/comments/show/8720 Vast literatures as mud moats & the "two paper rule" Alisa Open Discussion
> So when I want to talk and think and argue about an issue, and someone says "How about you go read the vast literature on this topic first?", I'm presented with a dilemma. On one hand, reading the vast literature might in fact improve my knowledge. On the other hand, it might be a waste of time. And even worse, it might be a trap - I might be charging headlong into a rhetoritician's mud moat. But choosing not to read the vast literature keeps me vulnerable to charges of ignorance. And I'll never really be able to dismiss those charges.

> My solution to this problem is what I call the Two Paper Rule. If you want me to read the vast literature, cite me two papers that are exemplars and paragons of that literature. Foundational papers, key recent innovations - whatever you like (but no review papers or summaries). Just two. I will read them.

> If these two papers are full of mistakes and bad reasoning, I will feel free to skip the rest of the vast literature. Because if that's the best you can do, I've seen enough.

> If these two papers contain little or no original work, and merely link to other papers, I will also feel free to skip the rest of the vast literature. Because you could have just referred me to the papers cited, instead of making me go through an extra layer, I will assume your vast literature is likely to be a mud moat.

> And if you can't cite two papers that serve as paragons or exemplars of the vast literature, it means that the knowledge contained in that vast literature must be very diffuse and sparse. Which means it has a high likelihood of being a mud moat.]]>
Mon, 12 Jun 2017 09:37:22 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8719 http://curi.us/comments/show/8719
Ray Dalio on learning from discussion Alisa Open Discussion
> “What I’ve discovered in that process is that I was learning so much. So just imagine what a fantastic path to think.” “Let me go after the person who has got the opposite point of view, who is really smart, and let me have quality conversations, quality disagreement.” “I get clear feedback. The goal is: don’t be too wrong. Be more right than wrong. So in that process I can take personal accountability. If I don’t learn personal accountability, if I don’t learn, then I’m going to pay a terrible price. So that process itself lent itself to this kind of very open-minded decision. Also the making mistakes, and the loving the mistakes.”
>
> “There’s an art to this process of seeking out thoughtful disagreement. People who are successful at it realize that there is always some probability they might be wrong and that it’s worth the effort to consider what others are saying — not simply the others’ conclusions, but the reasoning behind them — to be assured that they aren’t making a mistake themselves. They approach disagreement with curiosity, not antagonism, and are what I call ‘open-minded and assertive at the same time.’ This means that they possess the ability to calmly take in what other people are thinking rather than block it out, and to clearly lay out the reasons why they haven’t reached the same conclusion. They are able to listen carefully and objectively to the reasoning behind differing opinions. When most people hear me describe this approach, they typically say, ‘No problem, I’m open-minded!’ But what they really mean is that they’re open to being wrong. True open-mindedness is an entirely different mind-set. It is a process of being intensely worried about being wrong and asking questions instead of defending a position. It demands that you get over your ego-driven desire to have whatever answer you happen to have in your head be right. Instead, you need to actively question all of your opinions and seek out the reasoning behind alternative points of view.”

> Recognize that your goal is to come up with the best answer, that the probability of your having it is small, and that even if you have it, you can’t be confident that you do have it unless you have other believable people test you.

What Dalio means by "believable", from https://inside.bwater.com/publications/principles_excerpt:

> People who have repeatedly and successfully accomplished the thing in question and have great
explanations when probed are most believable.

Back to the original article:

> Understand that the ability to deal with not knowing is far more powerful than knowing a) Embrace the power of asking: ‘What don’t I know, and what should I do about it?’ b) Finding the path to success is at least as dependent on coming up with the right questions as coming up with answers.

> Remember that your goal is to find the best answer, not to give the best one you have.

> While everyone has the right to have questions and theories, only believable people have the right to have opinions.

> Constantly worry about what you are missing. a) Successful people ask for the criticism of others and consider its merit. b) Triangulate your view.

> People are so attached to being right, and yet the tragedy is it could be so easy to find out how you’re wrong. If you just said to yourself, “I’m not sure that I’m right, and let me go find people who have alternative point of views and let me have quality conversations.” Not to pay attention to their conclusions, but to the thought process. So thoughtful discussion, worrying about being wrong but not to the sense of being paralyzed. Or moving forward, but in the sense of trying to create discovery, to have an exchange. To go after the person who has the most different point of view, who is the most thoughtful, and then have a conversation to see their point of view. Whether a person could be both open-minded and assertive at the same time, that creates a discovery process. It creates a fabulous learning. That process itself reduces the probability of being wrong and produces a great deal of learning. People are so hung up on being right. Starting their discussion and deriving some sort of satisfaction if, at the end of the discussion, they were where they began the discussion. That doesn’t make any sense, because there’s not going to be any learning. So ego plays an important role in that. The people that feel like, ‘I’m good. I’ve got it,’ won’t learn. If you’ve got it, you won’t learn. So you have to get rid of this ego barrier, ‘I’ve got it’ thing.”

> “... The most important thing is to have humility, and to think about, how do I get the best decision? It doesn’t have to come from me. I just want it to be right, right? If comes from other people, that’s good. The greatest tragedy of mankind is people holding on to wrong opinions that could so easily be rectified and that are doing them harm because they’re making wrong decisions.”]]>
Mon, 12 Jun 2017 07:42:51 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8718 http://curi.us/comments/show/8718
Anonymous Open Discussion Sun, 11 Jun 2017 11:20:47 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8717 http://curi.us/comments/show/8717 FF Open Discussion
He seems like a very good kid.]]>
Sun, 11 Jun 2017 10:56:40 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8716 http://curi.us/comments/show/8716
FF Memes I Sun, 11 Jun 2017 03:22:48 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8715 http://curi.us/comments/show/8715 curi Open Discussion
links are now red *and* underlined to differentiate them.

motivation: i want italics to stand out more, be more visible. i think bold is visible enough without a color change but italic is too subtle. (this is a bigger issue in posts, since in comments italics have * around them)

good change? taking feedback.]]>
Sat, 10 Jun 2017 23:30:11 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8714 http://curi.us/comments/show/8714
FF Open Discussion
I will be posting here from now. Please don't think my posts are for Elliot. (I will be banned again if I contact Elliot)]]>
Thu, 08 Jun 2017 10:09:07 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8713 http://curi.us/comments/show/8713
Anonymous Churchill and Roosevelt Betrayed Hundreds of Thousands to Death Tue, 06 Jun 2017 06:58:52 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8712 http://curi.us/comments/show/8712 Alisa Teachable Subjects Sat, 03 Jun 2017 13:24:41 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8711 http://curi.us/comments/show/8711 Taught? Alisa Teachable Subjects
> previously I thought Elliot was quite against the idea of teaching stuff. The impression I had was something like you can help people learn stuff they're trying to learn, but you shouldn't try to teach them stuff. But this post seems kinda positive on the teaching idea. Am I misreading?

For years, Elliot has wanted to find ways of helping people learn important ideas. He's tried or considered many approaches. I see no indication that this post represents a shift in his ideas on how knowledge is created.

> Another example is IQ, which Elliot recently posted about on FI. To the best I recall, Elliot was against the idea that you could measure intelligence with a test and describe it with a number. But now he seems more positive on the general idea of IQ while still criticizing specific aspects of IQ tests.

I think Elliot's position here has always been something like (my loose paraphrase): IQ measures someone's ability to perform well at a modern knowledge-worker desk job. Being good at that means you'll also be good at some other stuff.

This is consistent with his criticisms of IQ tests, including the problem of weighting the results to form a single number and cultural bias in the test questions.

There's also significant difference between Elliot's view of IQ and most everyone else's. The consensus view is that a large part of the differences in people's can be explained at the level of their genes (like differences in height or eye color, but in a more complicated, less-well-understood way), but that's not Elliot's position. AFAIK, he believes that a high IQ is a result of ideas that can be learned (in principle) like anything else.]]>
Sat, 03 Jun 2017 13:19:09 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8710 http://curi.us/comments/show/8710
curi Letter to Jordan Peterson on Antidepressants and Rational Discussion
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/615e3z/i_am_dr_jordan_b_peterson_u_of_t_professor/dfbv5sh/

> Go see a mental health professional. Don't delay. There are effective treatments for such conditions. Anti-depressants are very useful for some people. You'd know within a month if they were helpful. They'll be plenty to suffer about in your life. If you can help yourself with a medication, thank your luck stars and do it. It's not a cop-out, particularly if you try to put your life together while you're trying the medication.

This idea that you will know if it works in a month is completely unscientific.

It's exactly how people "know" that homeopathy works for them. They try it and in some way it appears to them to work. And they go with bias instead of science.]]>
Sat, 03 Jun 2017 11:43:59 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8709 http://curi.us/comments/show/8709
curi Teachable Subjects
you'd rather not do what?

> if you don't think it's beneficial for you, i'm open to considering making it beneficial enough with cash.

no i don't want to write tons of stuff, for you personally, for free.

i posted a rate to hire me. you've seen it.

> though this makes me think of another issue that i haven't communicated yet. i wonder whether it's a good decision to spend money getting you to help me with my problems when instead i could be spending that same money on getting you to help my kids. one idea is that spending money on them should come first. but i also have the competing idea that if i spend money on myself first, and fix some of my problems, then i'd be in a better position to help my kids.

this is too vague. if you have actual projects in mind, then you could compare better. is there something one of your kids wants help with?]]>
Sat, 03 Jun 2017 11:38:00 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8708 http://curi.us/comments/show/8708
curi Teachable Subjects
> The relationship between intelligence and socioeconomic success has been the source of numerous controversies. The present paper conducted a meta-analysis of the longitudinal studies that have investigated intelligence as a predictor of success (as measured by education, occupation, and income). In order to better evaluate the predictive power of intelligence, the paper also includes meta- analyses of parental socioeconomic status (SES) and academic performance (school grades) as predictors of success. The results demonstrate that **intelligence is a powerful predictor of success but, on the whole, not an overwhelmingly better predictor than parental SES [socioeconomic status] or grades**. Moderator analyses showed that the relationship between intelligence and success is dependent on the age of the sample but there is little evidence of any historical trend in the relationship.

Emphasis added. I find this totally plausible and also they are basically doing math which is the kind of thing they might actually get right. I think everything they're dealing with, besides IQ, is reasonably easy to measure. (It's different than actual life success. It's just some loose proxies for conventional success.)

Reading on:

> One of the central and personally most relevant desirable outcomes is socioeconomic success (or career success), which is usually measured by the educational level, occupational prestige, and income of an individual in adulthood.

All of those are easy enough to measure. You just have to make a culturally normal list ranking the occupations, and have some procedure for dealing with multi-occupation people which isn't so bad it ruins your study (not hard). Sure it's a bit biased, but we're just trying to loosely correlate IQ to biased, culturally-normal concepts of success. So it's good enough.

> 5.2. Collection of data

You can read their criterion for what studies this meta-study included. And it's reasonable. They rule out lots of dumb stuff. It's not perfect but it looks decently alright to me. About as good as I would have hoped for.

> It is rather common for published studies not to report the information necessary for meta-analysis

For some studies, the study reporting was too shit to use (e.g. they don't actually clearly state the direct correlation between IQ and X). But the raw data was available. So he calculated the correlation information from the raw data and used it in the meta study rather than waste the data. OK, cool.

----

Does anyone think IQ doesn't correlate with SES and some other things, given various background assumptions like you stay in the same country and culture, there isn't some big upheaval, etc,? Is this paper wrong and bad? Anyone want to dispute this?]]>
Sat, 03 Jun 2017 11:17:27 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8707 http://curi.us/comments/show/8707
curi Teachable Subjects
That's a *partial* method, not a full method. I don't think it actually addresses the hard part of figuring out what's true or not. In other words, I don't think it counts.

> This blog is one example - previously I thought Elliot was quite against the idea of teaching stuff. The impression I had was something like you can help people learn stuff they're trying to learn, but you shouldn't try to teach them stuff. But this post seems kinda positive on the teaching idea. Am I misreading?

By "teaching" I had in mind something like creating essays and videos, which tell people stuff, just like my prior essays and videos.

I was thinking about other stuff rather than how to reword "teaching". I don't think it matters much.

> Another example is IQ, which Elliot recently posted about on FI. To the best I recall, Elliot was against the idea that you could measure intelligence with a test and describe it with a number. But now he seems more positive on the general idea of IQ while still criticizing specific aspects of IQ tests.

I clearly stated that IQ tests are terribly designed (many of the questions are badly written) and don't measure intelligence.

They manage to correlate with some things anyway, which means something. To a loose approximation they try to measure a certain skillset which matters.

I wrote about IQ recently because Jordan Peterson talked about it and I found some of his comments interesting enough to write some of my own comments. Specifically he said something along the lines of: never mind if it measures intelligence, the test results correlate to some things, and that means something. I thought that was worth some further thought. (I haven't checked how good the correlations are, btw, because I found the correlation claim totally plausible. Stuff like a cultural bias on the test won't stop it from correlating with some measures of success in your culture!)

*I don't think I changed my mind about anything significant.*]]>
Sat, 03 Jun 2017 10:56:04 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8706 http://curi.us/comments/show/8706
curi Stop Saying Lies and Other People's Ideas
"Schizophrenia" doesn't exist. I'm happy to grant him that he's not "mentally ill" and move on with the point, though! I think he was being defensive here because many readers have some standard, intolerant psychiatry views, and he wanted to counter that.]]>
Sat, 03 Jun 2017 10:48:08 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8705 http://curi.us/comments/show/8705
Taught? PAS Teachable Subjects
This blog is one example - previously I thought Elliot was quite against the idea of teaching stuff. The impression I had was something like you can help people learn stuff they're trying to learn, but you shouldn't try to teach them stuff. But this post seems kinda positive on the teaching idea. Am I misreading?

Another example is IQ, which Elliot recently posted about on FI. To the best I recall, Elliot was against the idea that you could measure intelligence with a test and describe it with a number. But now he seems more positive on the general idea of IQ while still criticizing specific aspects of IQ tests.

Elliot, have you changed your mind about something significant recently related to these topics, or is it just my imagination?]]>
Sat, 03 Jun 2017 05:54:09 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8704 http://curi.us/comments/show/8704
PAS Teachable Subjects
I got taught some (wrong) stuff about this in school. I remember it cuz it contradicted faith which I was taught at home.

What I was taught (wrong!) was basically to presume a claim is false until it's proven true. A claim can be proven true if the person making the claim provides more evidence which supports it than the person denying the claim can counter with their own evidence.]]>
Sat, 03 Jun 2017 05:44:23 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8703 http://curi.us/comments/show/8703
GISTE Teachable Subjects
i'd rather not do that. i'd rather get help on my particular flaws.

elliot, do u know which of the things in the OP are things i have trouble with (my guess is yes), and will you explain them to me in detail, like with real life examples from my FI posts? i mean enough so that i can recognize that they are problems i have. (then after than i can work towards solving them.)

if you don't think it's beneficial for you, i'm open to considering making it beneficial enough with cash.

though this makes me think of another issue that i haven't communicated yet. i wonder whether it's a good decision to spend money getting you to help me with my problems when instead i could be spending that same money on getting you to help my kids. one idea is that spending money on them should come first. but i also have the competing idea that if i spend money on myself first, and fix some of my problems, then i'd be in a better position to help my kids.]]>
Sat, 03 Jun 2017 04:04:44 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8702 http://curi.us/comments/show/8702
Anonymous Teachable Subjects
lol

i didn't catch it right away. i read it 2 times before i was like "OH DOUBLE NEGATIVE!"]]>
Sat, 03 Jun 2017 03:45:10 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8701 http://curi.us/comments/show/8701
Anonymous Stop Saying Lies and Other People's Ideas
what the fuck is this? so if someone is "schizophrenic" some stuff he says is not part of him?

is that what Peterson means? or did he misspeak or something?]]>
Sat, 03 Jun 2017 03:40:48 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8700 http://curi.us/comments/show/8700
Anonymous Teachable Subjects
those are called "syllogisms", i mentioned them.

> And it had advice like "break up a big problem into smaller problems and solve the small problems" which probably seems very obvious to many people but which I found helpful.

that is higher level stuff. Popper and Rand have lots of advice like that. that particular one (breaking into pieces) is also really common.

the sort of thing that's harder to teach is: how do you decide what smaller pieces to break it up into?

you can give examples. you can give some tips for a category. like if you're butchering an animal (category), usually you break it up into pieces where the tendons are. (no idea if that's true, just made it up.) or if you're trying to plan a wedding (category) there are various typical pieces to break it up into (flowers, dresses, cake, food, music, dance floor, alter, inviting guests, etc, etc). but how do you do it *in general*? i can do it but if someone had no idea how to do it and was lost, it's hard to figure out what to tell them besides walking them through my thought process for some examples.]]>
Fri, 02 Jun 2017 17:32:33 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8699 http://curi.us/comments/show/8699
Anonymous Teachable Subjects
[...]

>how to figure out if an argument is true or false

>what an argument IS (and how to decide if X is an argument for Y)

i did some logic stuff in a class.

stuff in the nature of

>Arguments involve reasoning from PREMISES to a CONCLUSION.
>So consider the following:

>1. Democrats are evil
>2. You shouldn't vote for evil people
>*THEREFORE*
>3. You shouldn't vote for Democrats.

>1 and 2 are premises and 3 is the conclusion. If we ASSUME 1 and 2 are true, then 3 follows.

but that's pretty different than IRL stuff where you are dealing with lots of messy disputed facts.

>a lot of times, "blah blah something about pancakes" is about as good as you can do because the speaker actually didn't use the right words to communicate more. if you try to listen to the details of what he said, and interpret them, you'll just misunderstand him!

yeah. you kinda have to think on the level of a typical person somewhat in order to figure out what they're saying. (kinda like with Poker ... if you attribute too much skill to a person, you'll mess up and lose. You gotta figure out their skill level to some decent approximation)

>one reason people get stuck on (2) is they already know some criteria of criticism. so they skip (2) and do (3) first, and then move on. that's fine. no problem at all. it just doesn't count as being stuck on (2) if they are really stuck on (5).

i'm kinda confused here. are you saying people who think they are stuck on 2 actually aren't, oftentimes?

BTW I've seen a little material in a couple different places on what might be IQ kinda stuff (I mean places besides FI). Like I did a computer science course once on Udacity and they added a whole chapter (after people were struggling tons) about How to Solve Problems. And it had advice like "break up a big problem into smaller problems and solve the small problems" which probably seems very obvious to many people but which I found helpful.

that seems like a basic kinda thinking skill that isn't really taught much.]]>
Fri, 02 Jun 2017 17:24:53 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8698 http://curi.us/comments/show/8698
curi Teachable Subjects Fri, 02 Jun 2017 11:08:52 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8697 http://curi.us/comments/show/8697 curi Letter to Jordan Peterson on Antidepressants and Rational Discussion
https://www.reddit.com/r/JordanPeterson/comments/6ea3tc/my_letter_to_jordan_peterson_on_antidepressants/]]>
Tue, 30 May 2017 17:28:39 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8696 http://curi.us/comments/show/8696
Anonymous Public University Bigotry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j9nFced_eo]]>
Tue, 30 May 2017 15:10:23 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8695 http://curi.us/comments/show/8695
curi Letter to Jordan Peterson on Antidepressants and Rational Discussion
Audio Hijack is awesome. It was very easy to use. A+++]]>
Tue, 30 May 2017 10:12:57 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8694 http://curi.us/comments/show/8694
Anonymous Open Discussion Tue, 30 May 2017 02:01:05 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8693 http://curi.us/comments/show/8693 Anonymous Open Discussion
the CPU comes with a fan

>and i have no idea if you need a case fan

this guide recommends a minimum of 3 fans and the case i am planning on getting comes with 2

http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/692-how-many-case-fans-should-you-have

re-reading the article made me realize that it suggests getting more than 3 fans so i should probably get 4]]>
Tue, 30 May 2017 01:53:33 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8692 http://curi.us/comments/show/8692
Anonymous Open Discussion Tue, 30 May 2017 01:10:20 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8691 http://curi.us/comments/show/8691 Anonymous Open Discussion
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/7gtgcc]]>
Tue, 30 May 2017 00:50:26 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8690 http://curi.us/comments/show/8690
Interesting take on feminism curi Open Discussion Mon, 29 May 2017 18:27:01 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8689 http://curi.us/comments/show/8689 Anonymous [Excerpt] Here's a good demonstration that asking... Mon, 29 May 2017 12:15:21 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8688 http://curi.us/comments/show/8688 Anonymous Open Discussion
Democratic Socialism FTW!]]>
Mon, 29 May 2017 06:20:03 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8687 http://curi.us/comments/show/8687
curi Open Discussion
ppl can usually read stuff with no or wrong commas. unless it's a list. lists without commas are tough. look at this:

> I like Ayn Rand Karl Popper William Godwin Thomas Szasz and Ludwig von Mises.

some commas can be replaced with periods and you can still read it fine. even with the list, it'd be better to have a period after each name instead of nothing.

commas matter more with long sentences. the more complicated the sentence, the more it needs punctuation to organize it.

for periods, leaving them out is usually more confusing than with commas.

here is the general idea of writing.

a paragraph starts with a *topic sentence*. the whole paragraph then talks about that topic. if you want to talk about something else, make a new paragraph.

try to keep topics small. if you want to talk about a big topic, like abortion, don't write one giant paragraph. make paragraphs for specific parts. like you could talk about Planned Parenthood in one paragraph and whether abortion is murder in a different paragraph. or if you had a bunch of things to say about Planned Parenthood, then they could all be separate paragraphs.

sentences are little ideas to help build up to a paragraph topic. periods separate the little ideas.

paragraphs should usually have 1-5 sentences.]]>
Sun, 28 May 2017 23:02:02 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8686 http://curi.us/comments/show/8686
Anonymous Open Discussion >commas are small pauses and periods are big pauses.

so is it fine if i mess up commas and periods? does it matter much?]]>
Sun, 28 May 2017 22:50:00 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8685 http://curi.us/comments/show/8685
curi Open Discussion
> yeah, i'm pretty sure i can

you can write an FI post the same as a few IMs in a row.

> i just want to be able to write clearly to FI. and not have people have to ask what i mean all the time.

try it. and if you get asked what you mean a lot, then you can ask about how to write that stuff better. then you'll have example writing problems to discuss.

part of how you get better at it is practice.

> i don't know where to put the commas and periods.

commas are small pauses and periods are big pauses.

> why are long sentences bad?

they are more complicated. they take more work to write or read. they are way easier to mess up. people mess them up a lot.]]>
Sun, 28 May 2017 22:41:30 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8684 http://curi.us/comments/show/8684
Anonymous Open Discussion
i want to be able to write clearly. sometimes when i write it is just a mash of words that is hard understand.

this isn't just a problem with writing. i also have the same problem with talking.

>can you write IMs?

yeah, i'm pretty sure i can

>can you write how you talk outloud?

i mean i feel like anyone could. it just involves having to type the words you are saying. but then you have to actually add commas and periods. i don't know where to put the commas and periods.

i also have trouble figuring out how to say things outloud. so even if i write how i talk, that's not enough to make it easy for me to write.

>can you keep it simple? long sentences are bad. just don't write them.

why are long sentences bad?

i will try to write short sentences. i don't really see any problems with writing short sentences.

>the writing in your comment is pretty good. the sentences are pretty short. there's no big or obscure words. there's no commas, dashes, semi-colons, colons, or parenthesis 😀

i didn't write my comment. someone is helping me.

>lots of "proper" writing is *bad*. it's not focused on clarity. it's not about being easy to understand. it tries to sound smart.

that makes sense to me. i would like to be easy to understand. there doesn't really seem to be any point in trying to sound smart. unless you are trying to impress someone. like at a job interview or something.

>it sounds like you have some ideas about how you're supposed to post to FI. but they sound like normal ideas, not FI ideas. so maybe you're pressuring yourself to do writing stuff that we don't actually like anyway.

i just want to be able to write clearly to FI. and not have people have to ask what i mean all the time.

>if FI is hard for you, you could ask questions here.

i don't think this is any easier than FI]]>
Sun, 28 May 2017 22:36:11 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8683 http://curi.us/comments/show/8683
curi Open Discussion
why do you need to write proper sentences and paragraphs?

can you write IMs? can you write how you talk outloud?

can you keep it simple? long sentences are bad. just don't write them.

the writing in your comment is pretty good. the sentences are pretty short. there's no big or obscure words. there's no commas, dashes, semi-colons, colons, or parenthesis 😀

lots of "proper" writing is *bad*. it's not focused on clarity. it's not about being easy to understand. it tries to sound smart.

it sounds like you have some ideas about how you're supposed to post to FI. but they sound like normal ideas, not FI ideas. so maybe you're pressuring yourself to do writing stuff that we don't actually like anyway.

if FI is hard for you, you could ask questions here.]]>
Sun, 28 May 2017 21:10:10 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8682 http://curi.us/comments/show/8682
Anonymous Open Discussion Sun, 28 May 2017 21:00:17 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8681 http://curi.us/comments/show/8681 SOL Open Discussion Sun, 28 May 2017 20:49:05 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8680 http://curi.us/comments/show/8680 SOL Open Discussion Sun, 28 May 2017 19:49:29 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8679 http://curi.us/comments/show/8679 curi Open Discussion
You can repost it. If you don't have a copy, you can email me and I can provide it.

And if you want to argue "fuck you" is about rape, could you link e.g. 3 educational web pages explaining this important information and your position? That would serve several purposes: explaining what you're trying to say (you haven't reasonably explained it enough to expect unfamiliar people to get it), showing it's not an ad hoc position, maybe showing it's not as obscure an idea as people think it is, giving people the opportunity to review your case/reasoning/position and maybe be persuaded you're correct, and giving people the opportunity to criticize your reasoning (it could contain a mistake).]]>
Sun, 28 May 2017 18:37:00 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8678 http://curi.us/comments/show/8678
Anonymous Open Discussion Sat, 27 May 2017 04:31:55 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8677 http://curi.us/comments/show/8677 Anonymous Open Discussion Sat, 27 May 2017 02:43:50 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8676 http://curi.us/comments/show/8676 SOL Open Discussion
cuz i learn stuff. like when Alisa brought up the idea of “crimestop" i learnt that idea right then and there. then I was curious about it and went off and read “1984” for the first time. from that i learnt the “blackwhite" concept. the book also talked about “doublethink”, which i already knew about. I was then curious about how to solve the problem of someone doing “crimestop”. i wondered if it is something i do myself. i wondered how common it is even in free societies. very common was my guess. Alisa said she did it then i was curious for an example and also curious how she may have stopped herself doing it. that discussion turned into a bloody mess as you know. so then i’m thinking i’m not good at discussions or at asking questions or something. that also gets me curious about why people want to tell me to “fuck off” or “go to hell”. i never say that to people. ok, some deeply evil dude i might. but ordinary people in my life are just flawed people with good and bad ideas. they are the people who make countries like america awesome and don’t deserve to be told to go fuck off and die or whatever. i kinda went off on a tangent there but i’ll let it stand as i want to say it. back to the beginning: i learn stuff here.]]>
Sat, 27 May 2017 01:11:22 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8675 http://curi.us/comments/show/8675
Anonymous Open Discussion
Liar. You were bullying.]]>
Fri, 26 May 2017 23:57:35 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8674 http://curi.us/comments/show/8674
Anonymous Open Discussion Fri, 26 May 2017 22:43:01 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8673 http://curi.us/comments/show/8673 SOL Open Discussion
Yes, it does.

> it's more like "go to hell."

Rationalisation for trying to pretend what you are saying is not as bad as it is.

> and in context it meant "go to hell for trying to deny the reality of what i wrote." So it was condemning willful misinterpretation/evasion.

It was not wilful mistinterpretation. It was honest disagreement. “sooo much” is an exaggerated phrase people use to make out things are larger than they actually are.

> you're being willfully obtuse and profoundly intellectually dishonest here.

No, I’m not.]]>
Fri, 26 May 2017 22:38:23 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8672 http://curi.us/comments/show/8672
wtf? Anonymous Open Discussion
>it was to say my opinion is worthless and that i deserve to be raped for holding worthless opinions.

your entire comment is bullshit (inventing motives of other people) but the part i quoted is *ridiculous* bullshit.

why the fuck do you keep bringing rape into it?

you realize "fuck you" has nothing to do with rape? it's more like "go to hell."

and in context it meant "go to hell for trying to deny the reality of what i wrote." So it was condemning willful misinterpretation/evasion.

you're being willfully obtuse and profoundly intellectually dishonest here.]]>
Fri, 26 May 2017 21:30:16 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8671 http://curi.us/comments/show/8671
SOL Open Discussion
no I'm not trivilalizing rape. you are. in the context, "fuck you" was intended to hurt me. it was intended to provoke my emotions, to make me feel scared and bad. it was to say my opinion is worthless and that i deserve to be raped for holding worthless opinions.

you defend this. that's contemptible.]]>
Fri, 26 May 2017 21:20:28 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8670 http://curi.us/comments/show/8670
SOL Open Discussion
when someone says "fuck you" how should I read it? what is that person doing if not wanting to threaten violence?

> Then never post here (or on FI) again while angry.

I'm not angry.]]>
Fri, 26 May 2017 19:31:28 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/8669 http://curi.us/comments/show/8669