curi blog comments http://curi.us/comments/recent Explanations for the curious en-us Anonymous Jihad Watch and Pamela Geller Misquote Obama
https://twitter.com/Aidan_G_Moore/status/1009551718974013442

> This is where "fact checking" becomes needless nitpicking...

This is a really bad attitude!

This is independent evidence – besides his ignoring curi's correction – that Spencer doesn't actually respect facts, truth, details, etc, all that much.]]>
Wed, 20 Jun 2018 14:43:36 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9930 http://curi.us/comments/show/9930
Anonymous Jihad Watch and Pamela Geller Misquote Obama
> If you had come in a civil manner, I'd have gladly received a real correction.

Spencer talking to someone else – quite persistently (Spencer keeps responding over and over) – while ignoring curi's real correction.]]>
Wed, 20 Jun 2018 14:18:25 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9929 http://curi.us/comments/show/9929
curi Jihad Watch and Pamela Geller Misquote Obama Wed, 20 Jun 2018 14:16:41 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9928 http://curi.us/comments/show/9928 What are formal criteria? Evan O'Leary Critical Preferences and Strong Arguments
My understanding of what a formal argument is is that it is an argument with premises and a conclusion that follows from the premises.

Start thinking critically about the slander your mind produces about other people. I'm not trying to get it? Yes I am. I didn't try to learn it? Yes I did. Fix your personality problems. Why do you think my rate of errors is too high?]]>
Wed, 20 Jun 2018 13:19:54 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9927 http://curi.us/comments/show/9927
curi Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
If you want more clarity on how websites work, and what information about you they have access to, do your own research.

I'm not using cookies or tracking scripts or anything like that.

I don't normally check anything but he specifically claimed to be impersonated so I looked into it with the limited available information. I think he lied.]]>
Wed, 20 Jun 2018 01:37:36 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9926 http://curi.us/comments/show/9926
Anonymous Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
Did you verify this? Are these comments not in fact anonymous? Please clarify the anonymity policies.]]>
Wed, 20 Jun 2018 01:27:48 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9925 http://curi.us/comments/show/9925
Anonymous Critical Preferences and Strong Arguments
Saying that one's list is incomplete is not an appeal. That doesn't even make sense.

> Why not consider the rest formal? It says we should prefer a theory if and only if it seems to meet all of these criteria.

Because that the list isn't complete, and because the criteria on those list are not formal. You don't know what formal is and didn't try to learn it.

You're massively overreaching. You don't have the background knowledge for this and aren't trying to get it, instead you're trying to do things which are way beyond your ability to do them without a high error rate.]]>
Tue, 19 Jun 2018 22:21:07 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9924 http://curi.us/comments/show/9924
Informal vs formal Evan O'Leary Critical Preferences and Strong Arguments
"and so on" is a nonspecific appeal to an unstated theory.

Why not consider the rest formal? It says we should prefer a theory if and only if it seems to meet all of these criteria.]]>
Tue, 19 Jun 2018 22:12:43 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9923 http://curi.us/comments/show/9923
guilherme Taxes
Scientist in Brazil spend a bunch of time arguing why science is important for a society and so the gov should invest more in it. But they don't argue on why the gov, instead of free people, should be the ones doing it.

They don't mind that they are arguing for the existence of authorities on what's good for the people. Actually, I think they want to be the authorities. Total disregard for fallibilism and the scientific traditions.]]>
Tue, 19 Jun 2018 13:59:22 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9922 http://curi.us/comments/show/9922
guilherme Taxes
I'm not sure if most people notice the importance of the different means used to achieve something, like through consent/persuasion vs force/authority. They just think about the ends, but not of how to achieve them. So it is easier to be fooled by bias if you don't think about the process of achieving some end.]]>
Tue, 19 Jun 2018 13:27:59 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9921 http://curi.us/comments/show/9921
New person at 4:07 AM Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
>> Anonymous at 4:14 AM apparently cannot imagine a scenario where somebody wants elliots help with his mind.

> Yes the twisting of self esteem involved in doing so is something that is pretty hard to imagine for me personally.

so anon414 thinks that in order to want help with one's mind, one must have twisted his self esteem.

but that's backwards. it's people who have low self esteem who wouldn't want help from people smarter than them. it's people with high self esteem who want to find people smarter than them.

good people (truth seekers) seek out people better than them, knowing that that would improve their lives.

bad people (status seekers) try to avoid finding people better than them, cuz being around them makes them feel bad (e.g. reminds them that they hate themselves).]]>
Tue, 19 Jun 2018 12:20:05 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9920 http://curi.us/comments/show/9920
curi Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
#9866 curi analyzes how learning works.

#9882 PAS analyzes whether FI/TCS is a cult.

#9892 Dagny explains about ET's library of criticism.

All of those were directly replying to issues anon414 brought up, but he didn't want to talk about them once there was some substantive intellectual opposition.]]>
Tue, 19 Jun 2018 10:13:42 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9919 http://curi.us/comments/show/9919
curi Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
They appear to be lying and actually were not impersonated.]]>
Tue, 19 Jun 2018 09:28:13 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9918 http://curi.us/comments/show/9918
New person at 4:07 AM Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
>> Is there such a thing as being too rich to want payment for ones services?

> No but a billionaire how would insist on a 400$ consulting fee would look rather weird.

why are you talking about what does and doesn't look weird?

All good ideas started out weird. The idea that the earth is not flat was a weird idea before tons of people adopted it. So what's the point of pointing out that an idea is weird?

From what i can tell, people who complain about other people's ideas being weird are people who care about social status instead of truth.]]>
Tue, 19 Jun 2018 09:17:28 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9917 http://curi.us/comments/show/9917
New person at 4:07 AM Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
>> Or is there a premise in anon @ 4:14am’s question that if elliot was rich then he wouldn’t be trying to get a few hundred dollars from his clients? (The premise makes no sense. All businesses start off with zero income, and then a little income, and then more and more.)

> Yes. That's a good point but this business is never going to grow. So if he was rich why bother with it?

*You* may believe that it's never going to grow, but *your* beliefs don't matter to this topic. Elliot's belief's do matter, cuz the topic is elliot's actions (not your actions).]]>
Tue, 19 Jun 2018 09:09:57 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9916 http://curi.us/comments/show/9916
another anonymous Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
> I guess the criticism from Anonymous at 4:14 AM doesn't count? Nor from Taleb, nor any other outsider? Elliot goes way out of his way to get criticism, e.g. by visiting hostile forums like LW, HBL, CRFB, ACOC, etc. And he's super tolerant of hostile comments here. And there are active critics on FI sometimes, too – and Elliot invites more of them.

> Since you seem to be blaming and criticizing Elliot for lack of receiving criticism ... do you have a serious suggestion for what Elliot should do differently to get more criticism? What, specifically, is he doing wrong, if anything? Also do you have a criticism of any of ET's major positions like TCS, PF, Overreaching, YesNo, liberalism, Oism or CR?

I should have said there isn't much criticism of Elliot from long-time FI list members. Yes, there is plenty of criticism of Elliot from other people.

I am not blaming Elliot for this. I don't know how it could be changed. It could be that Elliot is just right about most things and the people who've been around him a long time recognize and understand that. Or it could be that some people are leaning on Elliot's thinking too much and not thinking for themselves enough. I don't know.]]>
Tue, 19 Jun 2018 07:50:42 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9915 http://curi.us/comments/show/9915
anonymous nice person Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
Who are these people who will love me and support me and help me learn how to think better and learn better? How do I find them?]]>
Tue, 19 Jun 2018 07:25:54 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9914 http://curi.us/comments/show/9914
Anonymous at 4:14 AM Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
You should really do something about this. It will make your blog a nicer happier place.]]>
Tue, 19 Jun 2018 06:33:46 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9913 http://curi.us/comments/show/9913
Anonymous Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks >I don’t know how to understand this comment.
>Is it a dig? Or does he just not understand capitalism/business? Or both? Or what ?

Well he seems to be rather desperate about it. Hence "hustling".

>Is there such a thing as being too rich to want payment for ones services?

No but a billionaire how would insist on a 400$ consulting fee would look rather weird.

>Or is there a premise in anon @ 4:14am’s question that if elliot was rich then he wouldn’t be trying to get a few hundred dollars from his clients? (The premise makes no sense. All businesses start off with zero income, and then a little income, and then more and more.)

Yes. That's a good point but this business is never going to grow. So if he was rich why bother with it?]]>
Tue, 19 Jun 2018 06:32:37 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9912 http://curi.us/comments/show/9912
Anonymous at 4:14 AM Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
Yes the twisting of self esteem involved in doing so is something that is pretty hard to imagine for me personally.

Like I said above, when you people decide you want to move on from this you should know you will have other people's love and support and also that you will be able to retain everything you found meaningful or exciting about this.]]>
Tue, 19 Jun 2018 06:18:31 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9911 http://curi.us/comments/show/9911
Anonymous at 4:14 AM Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
That wasn't me. I think Elliot should really do something about this user identification problem.]]>
Tue, 19 Jun 2018 06:12:01 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9910 http://curi.us/comments/show/9910
Anonymous Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
>> I have been pretty public about the fact that I'm not poor. FI in general skews towards things like programmers, not poor people.

> I meant other people here not you. Though TBH is hustling your list members for O(100$) in cash something you just do for fun?

I don’t know how to understand this comment.

Is it a dig? Or does he just not understand capitalism/business? Or both? Or what ?

Is there such a thing as being too rich to want payment for ones services?

Or is there a premise in anon @ 4:14am’s question that if elliot was rich then he wouldn’t be trying to get a few hundred dollars from his clients? (The premise makes no sense. All businesses start off with zero income, and then a little income, and then more and more.)]]>
Tue, 19 Jun 2018 04:51:13 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9909 http://curi.us/comments/show/9909
New person Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
> One thing cults do is they destroy people's sense of self. Elliot is very good at doing that. He often makes statements to the effect of somehow knowing you better than you know yourself that often make people feel bad about themselves. He does many things that stir up existing insecurities in people.
>
> Your attitude should be that your mind is none of his business.

i don’t know exactly what “Anonymous at 4:14 AM” is trying to say.

notice the 3rd sentence. what exactly is he complaining about?

does he think it’s impossible for elliot to know something about you better than you do?

does he think elliot’s goal is to make people feel bad about themselves? does he know that people often feel bad when they face truth’s that they do not want to face?

notice the last sentence. i’ll quote it again:

> Your attitude should be that your mind is none of his business.

Why should that be a person’s attitude?

Anonymous at 4:14 AM apparently cannot imagine a scenario where somebody wants elliots help with his mind.]]>
Tue, 19 Jun 2018 04:07:45 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9908 http://curi.us/comments/show/9908
Anonymous Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
> Do you not have anything better to do with your life than to say boring, vulgar crap at people you think are in a cult?]]>
Mon, 18 Jun 2018 17:15:24 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9907 http://curi.us/comments/show/9907
Anonymous Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks Mon, 18 Jun 2018 17:12:57 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9906 http://curi.us/comments/show/9906 Anonymous at 4:14 AM Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks Mon, 18 Jun 2018 17:10:37 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9905 http://curi.us/comments/show/9905 Anonymous Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks Mon, 18 Jun 2018 17:05:02 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9904 http://curi.us/comments/show/9904 Anonymous at 4:14 AM Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
Bro you just made a total bitch out of me. I would now like to proceed to sucking your dick.]]>
Mon, 18 Jun 2018 16:47:27 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9903 http://curi.us/comments/show/9903
Dagny Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks Mon, 18 Jun 2018 16:45:48 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9902 http://curi.us/comments/show/9902 Anonymous at 4:14 AM Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
So you agree with Taleb then?]]>
Mon, 18 Jun 2018 16:44:08 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9901 http://curi.us/comments/show/9901
Anonymous Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
so angry and mean]]>
Mon, 18 Jun 2018 16:42:35 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9900 http://curi.us/comments/show/9900
Anonymous at 4:14 AM Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
I appreciate what you are trying to do but posts designed to point out others' mistakes are a bad place to make errors yourself!

You should carefully review each comment before you send it.

I hope you will appreciate this collegial advice.]]>
Mon, 18 Jun 2018 16:41:51 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9899 http://curi.us/comments/show/9899
curi Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
Don't speak for me.]]>
Mon, 18 Jun 2018 16:34:48 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9898 http://curi.us/comments/show/9898
Anonymous at 4:14 AM Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
Elliot will not like you more, or treat you more nicely, or have more of a bond with you because of you having written this.]]>
Mon, 18 Jun 2018 16:34:06 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9897 http://curi.us/comments/show/9897
Anonymous at 4:14 AM Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
Though to be fair if you were a hot woman it would totally work. It's like most men have this bug in the mind which makes it possible for women to make them do anything.

Maybe we could work together to discover the secret only One has hitherto discovered about how this happens and how to stop it.]]>
Mon, 18 Jun 2018 16:31:29 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9896 http://curi.us/comments/show/9896
Someone Else Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks Mon, 18 Jun 2018 16:29:46 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9895 http://curi.us/comments/show/9895 Anonymous at 4:14 AM Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
Bro you can stop using your Jedi mind tricks. You are not going to break me. This is not the dupe you are looking for.]]>
Mon, 18 Jun 2018 16:25:37 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9894 http://curi.us/comments/show/9894
Anonymous at 4:14 AM Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
OK, mein Bruder von einer anderen Mutter. Aber wir haben ein Problem. Meine Zeit auf dieser Welt ist sehr begrenzt. Daher ist es für mich nicht möglich, diese Anstrengungen zu unternehmen. Wie soll ich das machen? Meine allgemeinen Kommentare werden tun müssen.]]>
Mon, 18 Jun 2018 16:17:14 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9893 http://curi.us/comments/show/9893
Dagny Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
I don't think you're too stupid to figure this out. It's heavy bias and hostility. You aren't putting much effort into understanding, and you're also putting some effort into preventing understanding.]]>
Mon, 18 Jun 2018 16:12:43 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9892 http://curi.us/comments/show/9892
Anonymous at 4:14 AM Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
I don't understand what "low hanging fruit" means in the context of infinite ignorance.

You're right - I stayed too long. I should get a life or something. Then again I wouldn't be surprised if you like me being here. You can hate on me and it feels good.]]>
Mon, 18 Jun 2018 16:08:12 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9891 http://curi.us/comments/show/9891
Dagny Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks Mon, 18 Jun 2018 16:08:08 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9890 http://curi.us/comments/show/9890 Anonymous at 4:14 AM Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
Your attitude should be that your mind is none of his business.]]>
Mon, 18 Jun 2018 16:05:39 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9889 http://curi.us/comments/show/9889
Dagny Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks Mon, 18 Jun 2018 15:44:55 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9888 http://curi.us/comments/show/9888 Anonymous at 4:14 AM Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
But presumably if Popper and Deutsch are right his ideas are full of error as well, right?]]>
Mon, 18 Jun 2018 15:42:53 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9887 http://curi.us/comments/show/9887
Dagny Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks Mon, 18 Jun 2018 13:17:02 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9886 http://curi.us/comments/show/9886 Someone Else Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
No it doesn't. It says if you make tons of progress *and they don't*, then you will eventually stop liking each other. You'd no longer be similar people.

So it specifically recommends that you encourage others to learn too, rather than encouraging separating yourself from them.

And in this little bit of text, this isn't even the only misrepresentation of a short email!

It's hard to tell if this is a reading comprehension problem or bias. But there's other evidence. I think it's bias because of the "This isn't quite the same as [totally different thing]" comment.

> But in practice there isn't much criticism of Elliot.

I guess the criticism from Anonymous at 4:14 AM doesn't count? Nor from Taleb, nor any other outsider? Elliot goes way out of his way to get criticism, e.g. by visiting hostile forums like LW, HBL, CRFB, ACOC, etc. And he's super tolerant of hostile comments here. And there are active critics on FI sometimes, too – and Elliot invites more of them.

Since you seem to be blaming and criticizing Elliot for lack of receiving criticism ... do you have a serious suggestion for what Elliot should do differently to get more criticism? What, specifically, is he doing wrong, if anything? Also do you have a criticism of any of ET's major positions like TCS, PF, Overreaching, YesNo, liberalism, Oism or CR?]]>
Mon, 18 Jun 2018 12:55:42 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9885 http://curi.us/comments/show/9885
cult? another anonymous Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
The post linked to below does suggest socializing only with other philosophers. It also says that if you make lots of progress in FI you will eventually not like your family and friends any more.

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/fallible-ideas/rIomoZS9Bq8/G371O7SOBwAJ

This isn't quite the same as a cult telling people to cut off all contact with family and friends immediately. But it does raise some 'cult flags' for me.


> Something or someone that is held to be beyond criticism. FI more clearly and explicitly rejects this than any other group or organization I've ever encountered. In this respect FI is an anti-cult.

Yes, FI does clearly and explicitly reject this. But in practice there isn't much criticism of Elliot. I think some people are scared to criticize him. I think other people figure he's probably right about everything, whether or not they understand why.]]>
Mon, 18 Jun 2018 12:35:14 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9884 http://curi.us/comments/show/9884
NoYes Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
Yeah except your comment is refuted:

> I think nonconformity is the cult characteristic that *both* initially set off my "Is this a cult?" question.

Emphasis added.

Apparently you were planning to mention two things, but then only mentioned one. **Error!!** Busted! Refuted!

Also one of the typical features of cults is people involved are attached to them and defend them. They wouldn't want to leave, and they disagree with various criticisms of the cult which they've heard and argued against before. FI is super guilty of that! (So is Google – lots of employees like it, defend it, and don't want to leave. So is the scientific method – lots of its adherents like it, defend it from criticism, don't want to abandon it, etc. Of course some people leave Google or turn against the scientific method, and also some people change their mind about FI or TCS, both in dramatic ways ("I see now that it was bad!") and mild ways ("It was pretty good but I'm going to do this other thing now!") or just by gradually becoming less involved with no conscious reason.)]]>
Mon, 18 Jun 2018 12:12:28 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9883 http://curi.us/comments/show/9883
Cult? PAS Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks > ...you are members of this cult.

In what way do you think "this" (presumably FI / TCS) is a cult?

I have already thought some on my own about whether FI is a cult. FI did, initially, set off some "cult" vibes for me which is why I considered the topic carefully before deciding it's not.

It seems to me that there are some common characteristics that identify cults. Here's how I analyze FI against those characteristics.

- Social nonconformity. I think nonconformity is the cult characteristic that both initially set off my "Is this a cult?" question. FI does advocate several positions that are different from what's socially normal. But nonconformity is also the least useful cult characteristic. People stop conforming to social expectations for a variety of reasons, not just or primarily because of cults. There are actual stated high quality arguments for FI's positions, not just bucking convention for its own sake or because of some authoritative edict. FI also has respect for social traditions, and doesn't want to radically throw them all out.

- Insiders and outsiders. There's a bit of that in FI, but it fails as a cult marker. I think it's mostly that people who comparatively know a lot of FI can talk to other people who know a lot of FI in ways that people who don't know much FI won't understand. In that way it's more like a technical association than a cult. There's also a friend/buddy network going on with some FI people, but that's not cultish - it's actually one of the most socially "normal" things about FI. There's no cultish norm or expectation of cutting off non-FI family/friends/relationships. There's no insider membership card or pledge of fealty or anything like that.

- Charismatic leader. Elliot is clearly a leader, but he's not charismatic and doesn't try to be. Most FI people (including me) have never met him or even seen a picture of him. Recordings of his voice are not highly polished or emotional. As such, Elliot is a bad fit as a cult leader. And there isn't anyone else in FI trying to take on that role.

- Secret doctrines. As far as I know, FI's positions are all public and readily accessible. There aren't any secret FI doctrines reserved for the elite after years of basic indoctrination.

- Intolerance of dissent. FI is very tolerant of dissent. I have openly and publicly disagreed with some key FI conclusions for years. I haven't been asked to leave or shut up. In fact, FI people generally want me to talk about my disagreements more than I do.

- Ritualistic behavior. I don't see any of that in FI.

- Mystical or religious beliefs. FI has none of those.

- Disindividuation. FI is strongly individualist and anti collectivist. Does not apply.

- Something or someone that is held to be beyond criticism. FI more clearly and explicitly rejects this than any other group or organization I've ever encountered. In this respect FI is an anti-cult.

In sum, I think most of the typical cult markers don't apply to FI at all. A few can superficially seem to apply, but there's better explanations for them than that FI is a cult.]]>
Mon, 18 Jun 2018 12:01:56 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9882 http://curi.us/comments/show/9882
Anonymous at 4:14 AM Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks Mon, 18 Jun 2018 08:42:04 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9881 http://curi.us/comments/show/9881 Anonymous Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
It's sad. I sort of feel sorry for him.]]>
Mon, 18 Jun 2018 08:31:28 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9880 http://curi.us/comments/show/9880
Anonymous at 4:14 AM Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
I meant other people here not you. Though TBH is hustling your list members for O(100$) in cash something you just do for fun?

>The "TCS is a cult" cult is not wanted.

Is there a "TCS is a cult" cult? Would love to get in touch with these people.

>please at least identify yourself so people who read this discussion don't have to relearn who you are.

I used the same name "Anonymous at 4:14 AM" in all messages(apart from the first).

>If anyone has good ideas about how to deal with that problem in general, let me know!

Cookies, email related user registration ... I mean why am I telling you this, you're a world class programmer.

>There's value in anonymity but it is problematic when the same guy writes nasty stuff repeatedly and no one can filter it by author after the first time.

My apologies. If you make it easy (like a checkbox for posters making comments some may want to filter) I'll gladly click it should I ever choose to comment again.]]>
Mon, 18 Jun 2018 03:57:13 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9879 http://curi.us/comments/show/9879
Dagny Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
See, he cared so little about his question that he didn't care to say a word about it even after getting multiple great answers.]]>
Sun, 17 Jun 2018 18:01:29 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9878 http://curi.us/comments/show/9878
curi Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
Odd comment. I have been pretty public about the fact that I'm not poor. FI in general skews towards things like programmers, not poor people.

I guess it doesn't stand out though. That entire message is disconnected from reality.

Please don't come back with some new identity. The "TCS is a cult" cult is not wanted. If you want to come back, please at least identify yourself so people who read this discussion don't have to relearn who you are. (Sadly it looks like this probably isn't your first time writing bad comments and then changing identities. If anyone has good ideas about how to deal with that problem in general, let me know! There's value in anonymity but it is problematic when the same guy writes nasty stuff repeatedly and no one can filter it by author after the first time.)]]>
Sun, 17 Jun 2018 17:31:13 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9877 http://curi.us/comments/show/9877
Anonymous at 4:14 AM Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
As I have meticulously explained it was not that you corrected a typo that set this off. It was the patronising text surrounding it. Such text was absent in the other two cases.

OK guys this is it for me. But to anyone else reading this I'd just like point out that the next time you realise you're poor or that your relationships are falling apart it is because you are members of this cult.

You should know you can leave and other people won't judge you for having joined it and will give you the love and support you need.]]>
Sun, 17 Jun 2018 17:24:33 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9876 http://curi.us/comments/show/9876
curi Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
> He's fucking with you, curi. He's only like 1% conscious of what he's doing, so he'll deny it. But that 'Why?' wasn't honest. It wasn't expressing real, deep ignorance

Someone Else:

> As usual, curi offends people by *overestimating* them. He gave Taleb *too much of the benefit of the doubt* as a rational intellectual instead of cautiously treating Taleb like an irrational, conventional person.

So, perhaps I overestimated anon at 4:14, and took his question as merely low effort (e.g. he didn't bother to say any alternative) when it was worse.

But I don't think that's quite it. I didn't really think about him. I don't know who he is, or care. People usually aren't curious when they ask questions, but I usually don't think about it. That's their problem, not mine.

My problem is: do I like the issue being brought up? Do I want to say something about it? And what matters here is my interpretation of the issue, even if that's not what the person meant.

This particular question has some really basic answers, which aren't too interesting to me. But it also had a more advanced answer I was interested in writing about. So I did.

I don't think I'd be better off if I spent more time catching people being bad. I can do that if I try, but it's not necessary. Who cares if he's dishonest or fucking with me or whatever, as long as I'm writing things that interest me then it doesn't matter. I wasn't writing for hope of helping him and him providing value in the future. I was writing for its own sake, as an end in itself. I like explanations. In that context, I don't have to evaluate if he's any good, or curious, or going to learn, or going to reply ever again, or any of that.

So I don't think I was overestimating him (anon at 4:14), actually. I just didn't think of him. It wasn't personal. His personal attributes and intentions don't matter.

BTW this is very high status of me – to not really even notice he exists as an individual. It's very far from what Taleb did. But I don't consistently act high status. I like making an effort (e.g. I've written a bunch in his thread with some internet anon – which people read as me not having anything valuable to do with my life and therefore low status. and they also read making an effort as meaning i am too low status to have found a way to avoid effort!), and I like reacting to some things sometimes (but being reactive is low status). So I send mixed status messages. Sometimes the mixed messages confuse some people, but I don't really care. Maybe I'd fix it if there was a trivial solution, but I don't think there is – I think controlling what I communicate about status would be a big project with major downsides and would restrict my action and get in the way of rational action. I think the solution is for other people to have better ideas (which I am helping with – i'm working towards a solution in that way).]]>
Sun, 17 Jun 2018 17:23:02 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9875 http://curi.us/comments/show/9875
Mysterious Poster Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
John Podhoretz is a big conservative guy. editor of Commentary, columnist for New York Post, author of several books, former speechwriter for Reagan, etc. etc.

One time Podhoretz was flaming Islam scholar Robert Spencer on Twitter. I said something to Podhoretz on the order of: if you think Spencer is such a crap scholar as you say, can you linked me to your detailed written-out criticisms of his scholarship? And Podhoretz replied by blocking me.]]>
Sun, 17 Jun 2018 16:56:15 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9874 http://curi.us/comments/show/9874
Dagny Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
Is it that Taleb desperately wants to gain a bit more status, climb the social ("intellectual") status ladder a bit higher? If so, fighting with randoms on Twitter cannot help him. That only makes Taleb look bad. High status responses available to Taleb were e.g.:

1) too busy, don't respond or do anything (this is an option even if he's bored and not doing anything, he can just act this way anyways)

2) fix the error, respond to curi with either nothing or a short, positive comment. also optionally put an "updated on date to fix some errors" or other kind of notice on the article.

3) respond to curi in an *above the fray, not caught up in petty crap* way. like respond to whatever parts of what curi said Taleb found valuable, and ignore the rest, cuz no time to notice negative stuff he isn't benefitting from.

high status people have been flamed too often, and are too busy, to be putting their effort into twitter fights that serve no positive purpose of their own. Taleb just came off as reactive, low status, petty, angry, etc. He's harming his own social climbing (minorly – this isn't very important one way or another in terms of social stuff, it's just a little incident with no publicity).

i know lots of high status celebs are fragile as fuck. lots of them got their status by being good at being conventional + lucky. intellectuals ought to be something different than actors.

And here's the "touchy mediocrities" reference for those who missed it. This quote has lots of relevance! *Atlas Shrugged*:

> “Miss Taggart, do you know the hallmark of the second-rater? It’s resentment of another man’s achievement. Those touchy mediocrities who sit trembling lest someone’s work prove greater than their own—they have no inkling of the loneliness that comes when you reach the top. The loneliness for an equal—for a mind to respect and an achievement to admire. They bare their teeth at you from out of their rat holes, thinking that you take pleasure in letting your brilliance dim them—while you’d give a year of your life to see a flicker of talent anywhere among them. They envy achievement, and their dream of greatness is a world where all men have become their acknowledged inferiors. They don’t know that that dream is the infallible proof of mediocrity, because that sort of world is what the man of achievement would not be able to bear. They have no way of knowing what he feels when surrounded by inferiors—hatred? no, not hatred, but boredom—the terrible, hopeless, draining, paralyzing boredom. Of what account are praise and adulation from men whom you don’t respect? Have you ever felt the longing for someone you could admire? For something, not to look down at, but up to?”]]>
Sun, 17 Jun 2018 16:19:12 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9873 http://curi.us/comments/show/9873
Someone Else Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
Taleb's article basically offered two alternatives. 1) He doesn't care about politeness conventions, which he massively violated. Or 2) He's a jerk.

Apparently it was (2).]]>
Sun, 17 Jun 2018 16:00:23 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9872 http://curi.us/comments/show/9872
Someone Else Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
As usual, curi offends people by *overestimating* them. He gave Taleb *too much of the benefit of the doubt* as a rational intellectual instead of cautiously treating Taleb like an irrational, conventional person.

I don't expect curi to change, or recommend it, because where's the downside risk? If the person is great, curi's strategy is optimal. curi will stand out more that way and has the best chance to give and gain value. And if they aren't great, curi fails more clearly and quickly, which is good.

And if they aren't great, they have no major value to offer curi anyway. (In direct interaction; sometimes mediocre people can write a valuable book if they spend many years on it; that's a different kind of thing than being any good in a discussion or being able to think well in anywhere near real time; curi wouldn't lose access to that book anyway. E.g. Dawkins has some good books. I don't think Taleb's books are very good. BTW if anyone thinks Taleb's books are great, please share a quote with the best idea.).]]>
Sun, 17 Jun 2018 15:56:59 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9871 http://curi.us/comments/show/9871
Dagny Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
Taleb didn't even spellcheck the article. He didn't carefully edit. He's mad he got caught. And it looks really bad for him to unprofessionally call out someone else for being unprofessional. Which is why curi thought it mattered and was telling Taleb to fix it. But Taleb reacted with the same character and intellectual stature he had when he wrote an unprofessional rant calling a public intellectual unprofessional – and then put it at a permalink on his website and tweeted it to hundreds of thousands of people.]]>
Sun, 17 Jun 2018 15:45:35 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9870 http://curi.us/comments/show/9870
Dagny Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks Sun, 17 Jun 2018 15:41:57 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9869 http://curi.us/comments/show/9869 Dagny Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
> Why?

Why would I need to point out any mistakes in Republican ideas? Why would I even need to know what they are or ever have read a single Republican book in my life? I can just explain why the Democrat ideas are great. That should be convincing!?]]>
Sun, 17 Jun 2018 15:33:48 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9868 http://curi.us/comments/show/9868
curi Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
Another scenario:

I read and refute 25 different versions of induction. You learn a different version of induction. I might then be able to tell you stuff about induction without being familiar with your particular version, because your version has shared features with knowledge I *am* familiar with.

What might happen then is i tell you some general anti-induction arguments, and give some generic examples, and then you apply it to your particular induction variant.

This is much more realistic and common than just straight up not knowing anything about someone's knowledge and still blowing it away with some general concepts.

Also, even in the case of 1000 years of cryonics, their knowledge when I wake up would actually have been developed over time. In the past, some of the contributors would been from my time period or closer, and would have had some familiarity with some of my ideas, and addressed them and taken them into account. The people when I wake up might not knowledge about my ideas directly, but their knowledge would have some intentional design already in it – from ppl who did know some of my ideas – to address my ideas.

To really get "knows nothing about my ideas, but so advanced it doesn't matter" I might need to meet some advanced aliens. So they actually have no prior engagement with my perspective. Alternatively, if I was in cryo for billions of years, maybe when I wake up things are so different that any connection between my ideas and the future world's ideas are basically long, long gone and forgotten (especially if there were major wars and destruction and stuff, and America got wiped out and whatever country a few Americans ended up in also got wiped out, and so on, repeatedly, so there's no meaningful way to trace any kind of lineage back to America or any other present country, the traditions of the future society go back to some new society that really revolutionized things and broke with the past at some point, and that never works totally but it could have happened hundreds of times and been effective eventually at erasing the culture and knowledge I'm from.)]]>
Sun, 17 Jun 2018 15:16:04 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9867 http://curi.us/comments/show/9867
how learning works curi Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
Let's say I have 1000 ideas related to social dynamics and other relevant things, which are all consistent with each other. A big web of knowledge.

If you corrected/modified 5 of them using some general concepts or principles I don't know, then maybe I could use those new ideas to correct others. I could take the theme from you and apply it and go correct another 500 on my own without you going through them individually. This is easiest if you can state what your general principle(s) is, but possible with just examples of it.

After correcting 500 out of 1000 ideas, I would have an inconsistent set of ideas. I would see partially how to change my overall view, but not fully. I would then say to you: "What about X, Y, Z?" Those would be 3 of my remaining ideas which I still think are right, which contradict the new ideas based on your pattern/theme/principle/concept(s), which I think are fairly distinct. My hope would be to then get 3 new principles (or a really powerful one that unifies things that looked separate to me). Then I could use those to get up to perhaps 980 changes (you having told me only ~8 things at this point), and mostly change my mind, then bring up a few of the remaining issues with you.

This is how learning works in general. There's always a ton of ideas to modify, and a teacher gives some representative examples and addresses some of the important ideas someone has, and then the learner goes through and deal with lots of the implications themselves. (People who don't want to do that – take some general concepts and make a bunch of detail changes themselves – are not actually teachable.)

BTW, in discussions often it isn't known in advance who will end up being the learner, and everyone may learn something. It's good not to get stuck on rigid roles at the outset. Also, one can learn things while in the teacher/mentor role – it's good practice to explain and refute ideas, and one can review the existing knowledge of the learner and learn something from it (e.g. if you were right about social dynamics, you still might learn some other things while reviewing Rand's books). And finding out all the ways people disagree with your ideas can help you figure out ways to improve it so it better addresses all the potential doubts, misconceptions, etc.

It's theoretically possible to do something like this learning process even if you don't engage with any of my existing ideas or sources. You could say some great general purpose ideas and I could then apply them without you giving me any examples. If your knowledge was vastly superior to mine, then maybe you could dismiss all of Girls Chase, Rand, RSD, etc, without ever being familiar with any of it, cuz you just have so much more advanced ideas it blows it all away. This is not realistic in general (takes a *really huge* intellectual lead), and the indications so far are you have pretty conventional views on these matters instead of super advanced views, and there have been no signs of advanced principles i've never heard of. It would be realistic if e.g. I had just woken up from 1000 years in cryonics, so I was behind on 1000 years of intellectual progress.]]>
Sun, 17 Jun 2018 15:02:42 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9866 http://curi.us/comments/show/9866
curi Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
> Why?

That existing knowledge includes *arguments* which you have not addressed.]]>
Sun, 17 Jun 2018 14:18:33 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9865 http://curi.us/comments/show/9865
curi Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
BTW I pointed out typos to patio11 and Daniel Greenfield on Twitter in the last couple days and they both reacted positively.

> > If you want to teach, you need to engage with some of my existing knowledge on this topic, e.g. AS, FH, Szasz, RSD, Girls Chase.

> Why?

I have ideas. You assert I should have different conclusions but don't address which ideas to change or why. How can you even know if your conclusions are better than mine without knowing my reasoning? You can't compare with or evaluate my knowledge, let alone offer improvements to it, without understanding it.]]>
Sun, 17 Jun 2018 14:17:47 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9864 http://curi.us/comments/show/9864
Anonymous at 4:14 AM Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
Why?]]>
Sun, 17 Jun 2018 14:14:38 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9863 http://curi.us/comments/show/9863
Anonymous at 4:14 AM Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
See this - this is exactly how Taleb felt when he read your Tweet.]]>
Sun, 17 Jun 2018 14:11:26 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9862 http://curi.us/comments/show/9862
curi Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
You don't know enough about what I think, or why, to tell me what to do. You are being aggressive and pushy (and violating standard social norms, the very thing you're complaining about). You should stop. If you want to learn something, ask or read. If you want to teach, you need to engage with some of my existing knowledge on this topic, e.g. AS, FH, Szasz, RSD, Girls Chase. You can't change my mind while ignoring or being ignorant of my relevant knowledge and just asserting what I "should" do and think (seemingly contrary to my values and goals). Also drop the continued, open hostility or I don't expect I'll reply further.]]>
Sun, 17 Jun 2018 13:59:12 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9861 http://curi.us/comments/show/9861
Anonymous at 4:14 AM Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks Sun, 17 Jun 2018 13:55:02 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9860 http://curi.us/comments/show/9860 Anonymous at 4:14 AM Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
>I was thinking about the issues, not social dynamics.

Maybe but your actions would suggest otherwise to just about any reasonable person. Making a big deal out of typos almost always has social connotations. You should take that into account.


>I think everything I said is true and important.

Might be true but certainly felt more like irrelevant spam.

>Is it condescending to believe I am capable of detecting and correcting an error by Taleb?

Not at all. But I am sure anybody who uses a spellchecker agrees and indeed thinks an uncreative box is able to discover errors they have missed.


>I don't think so. That is how i would treat a peer or someone a bit above me. Maybe it implies I don't think he's so far out of my league I couldn't possibly improve any of his writing – but not necessarily: pretty much anyone can catch typos and inversions in my articles and sometimes they do (I respond by fixing the error and often thanking the reporter, without feeling like it makes them my philosophical rival, peer, better, inferior, or any particular status – I take it as status-independent.

Sounds basically reasonable.

>If in addition to a typo report they also included some explanation of why error correction matters, contextually or generally, then I might think they were potentially a good thinker and be interested in discussion.).

You said "I sympathize with what you're doing, but you should carefully edit an article of this type! Calling someone out for errors is a bad place to make your own errors!"

This is patronising and, frankly, stupid.

The typo is irrelevant. Even if you think otherwise and are right that is the prevailing theory.

Then you imply he didn't carefully edit the article (which again is social connotation rich). Finally you imply that this mistake somehow reduces the credibility of his article. (Which it obviously does not and again has social connotations)

Any reasonable person would have acted like he did.]]>
Sun, 17 Jun 2018 13:52:17 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9859 http://curi.us/comments/show/9859
Dagny Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks Sun, 17 Jun 2018 13:45:42 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9858 http://curi.us/comments/show/9858 Mysterious Poster Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks >What value did the public display have?


on fooledbyrandomness.com it says

>Mail: Important (only): gamma -at- fooledbyrandomness-dot-com. The current backlog is > 10 months. (Please keep very short (postcard style); please avoid attachments and links).

>I beg journalists & members of the media to get in contact with the publishers if they need to, not me (please, please). Also, please no documentary films, newspaper articles, book chapters, and interviews beyond book launches.

lol @ 10 months. that's basically saying "don't expect a reply, ever".

so by using twitter, curi was able to actually get interaction in a format the author chooses to make himself available in.

btw anon, did you actually investigate privately contacting Taleb and still think, after finding the same information i found above, that it was a reasonable suggestion? i doubt it.

btw anon why haven't you tried writing your own version of curi's tweet?

as an aside, Taleb sounds really overwhelmed and in in need of some communications/email management help.]]>
Sun, 17 Jun 2018 13:42:28 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9857 http://curi.us/comments/show/9857
curi Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
You haven't made your first substantive comment yet where you quote something I said on Twitter and analyze it. You made an opening statement but where's the meat? Instead of seriously trying to communicate, you repeatedly attacked me. I guess you don't know how to discuss.

I do routinely offer substantive comments in discussions.

> You could have for instance asked questions rather than asking me to laboriously look for quotes.

If you think using quotes in discussions is too laborious, then you don't know how to have a productive discussion. Is that something you'd like to learn? Or you can just give up. There are non-hostile people interested in learning, so what do you have to offer in comparison?

And asking about what you thought was wrong with what particular text, and for your social dynamics analysis, *is* a question to move things forward.]]>
Sun, 17 Jun 2018 13:41:30 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9856 http://curi.us/comments/show/9856
Anonymous at 4:14 AM Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
Funnily enough that's my impression of you. Whenever someone tries to talk to you critically you hardly make a reasonable effort to understand what they are trying to say.

Instead one is always treated with this stream-of-conciousness style reply where you seem to be explaining/rationalising to yourself why a particular person sucks and why you don't need to take what they said seriously. It looks strange because reasonable people don't need to justify to themselves why they will ignore something. This usually takes the form of finding the first thing the person says that can be interpreted in a contrived way as saying something silly and then focusing on that.

Also you often accuse people of not putting in the effort but you hardly ever do that yourself. You could have for instance asked questions rather than asking me to laboriously look for quotes. It is completely unreasonable to expect someone to do that.

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Having said that I would find your view on what the underlying social dynamics of the situation were interesting. What do you see as having happened in that interaction? Do you agree with the other poster's view on what role status played?

(I am sure there are people who you like more who would also be interested in the answers to such questions as well)]]>
Sun, 17 Jun 2018 13:33:59 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9855 http://curi.us/comments/show/9855
Anonymous Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
And public is better so other ppl can read it and learn about it (both about curi's perspective and also about curi-Taleb discussion/interaction). curi's tweets had a lot more to say than pointing out one typo.

Now everyone in the world who cares has total clarity that Taleb is an intellectual fraud to be ignored, and all of the evidence is publicly recorded so people can see and judge for themselves. That's great. Thanks curi.]]>
Sun, 17 Jun 2018 13:33:26 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9854 http://curi.us/comments/show/9854
Anonymous Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
What value did the public display have?]]>
Sun, 17 Jun 2018 13:28:35 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9853 http://curi.us/comments/show/9853
curi Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
LOL

> Presumably Taleb was trying to write correct, grammatical English.

I stopped presuming that by the time I got to the end of the article, but yeah I was presuming that at the start. That's why I didn't report this later typo (mid-word line break, emphasis omitted from quote):

> Did it hit him that trades are something that don't last 4 years? No. D
> id it hit him that bonds collapsed after the talk? (markets happen to go up and down). No.]]>
Sun, 17 Jun 2018 12:09:38 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9852 http://curi.us/comments/show/9852
curi Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
For context, here's the first tweet:

> > Noah Smith … [{presents} the Black Swan as only overestimating market crashes]… "… Taleb might be wrong -- people might be overestimating, rather than underestimating…"

> No, Smith accuses @nntaleb of underestimating, not overestimating. (But Taleb's main point is correct.)

This could be a misreading, logical error, or typo. It's hard to know, but it's a problem. Regardless, it's confusing for readers. And now my second tweet::

> > and his editor, James Grieff contradiction Smith by saying

> Should be "contradicted" not "contradiction". @nntaleb I sympathize with what you're doing, but you should carefully edit an article of this type! Calling someone out for errors is a bad place to make your own errors!

So, not very far in to the article, Taleb already had a second error. I thought it was important, but people often dismiss typos as unimportant. So in addition to helpfully reporting the error, I also helpfully explained why it mattered.

I was thinking about the issues, not social dynamics. I think everything I said is true and important. Is it condescending to believe I am capable of detecting and correcting an error by Taleb? I don't think so. That is how i would treat a peer or someone a bit above me. Maybe it implies I don't think he's so far out of my league I couldn't possibly improve any of his writing – but not necessarily: pretty much anyone can catch typos and inversions in my articles and sometimes they do (I respond by fixing the error and often thanking the reporter, without feeling like it makes them my philosophical rival, peer, better, inferior, or any particular status – I take it as status-independent. If in addition to a typo report they also included some explanation of why error correction matters, contextually or generally, then I might think they were potentially a good thinker and be interested in discussion.).]]>
Sun, 17 Jun 2018 12:02:26 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9851 http://curi.us/comments/show/9851
Mysterious Poster Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
>Yes absolutely.

well i think that's silly. i think believing social incompetence is a viable explanation here involves ignoring tons of publicly available analysis of social stuff that Elliot has written.

>>Taleb presumably got offended cuz curi took the tone of a friendly-but-critical colleague pointing out an error

>That is not how the tone came off. In fact it comes off as very patronising.

It's how the tone came off to me. Do you think your interpretation is presumptively more valid because it is more conventional?

>Colleagues are usually not patronising to each other.

Quality colleagues are direct and honest. And also interpret statements from friendly people in a generous way (as opposed to getting easily triggered.)

>In fact it was Elliot who spoke as if he had higher status and that should be taken into account.

That's not how i read it.

>Obsessing over typos is a known way of bullying someone.

One tweet constitutes an obsession? if not, why invoke obsessions?

>Teachers use it in school all the time. This interaction closely mirrored the interactions often found in schools.

You mean the interactions where the middling-IQ person in a position of authority frequently offers incompetent criticism of your forced writing assignments in a setting you can't voluntarily leave? Which parts of the tweet mirrored that?

>None of the comments Elliot made here helpful. None of them took into account what Taleb was trying to achieve with his post and tried helping with that.

Presumably Taleb was trying to write correct, grammatical English.

>It is amusing (and sad) that Elliot (despite nominally being against coercive education) uses the tactics of coercive educators in most of his public interactions.

This is a disgusting and vicious slander. Wow.


your overall approach here seems to be to assume your more conventional interpretations of social stuff are presumptively valid. and to assume people who disagree with you are either incompetent or similar to evil teachers or maybe both.

are you a Popper fan? do you think your approach to the discussion so far reflects the spirit of "I may be wrong and you may be right, and by an effort, we may get nearer to the truth"?

my proposal that you write your own version of curi's tweet still stands.]]>
Sun, 17 Jun 2018 11:47:32 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9850 http://curi.us/comments/show/9850
curi Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
The context was that Taleb called someone out as basically an intellectual fraud who shouldn't have his job (unethical, illogical, unprofessional bullshit operator – and that's just the headings). When making such major accusations (especially as a permanent written public statement, not as offhand verbal comments), one should try really hard to be right! That includes doing it carefully with crystal clarity, not carelessly without proofreading (and with other non-typo errors).

BTW Taleb still hasn't corrected any of the errors in his article.

> That is not how the tone came off. In fact it comes off as very patronising. Colleagues are usually not patronising to each other. In fact it was Elliot who spoke as if he had higher status and that should be taken into account.

If you want to quote specific text and write comments about your social dynamics analysis, go ahead (including comments on hypothetical alternative versions for comparison). If you don't want to do that, I don't think you will be able to successfully communicate your perspective. Just pointing at everything I said non-specifically, and then asserting a perspective/evaluation I do not share, is not a way to get your point across to me. And instead of trying to go into more detail on communicating and explaining, you instead took the time to further attack me as a coercive hypocrite, which seems hostile, unhelpful, nasty, and *premature* at this point in the discussion when we haven't even, e.g., gotten on the same page about our background knowledge of social dynamics (but it doesn't look like the type of discussion where we'll ever get on the same page about much of anything, because you are presenting as someone who will write a few careless attacks and then go silent, not someone who will work cooperatively over time to have an effective, productive, mutually-valuable discussion).]]>
Sun, 17 Jun 2018 11:40:13 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9849 http://curi.us/comments/show/9849
Anonymous Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
Why is it especially important to error correct your own stuff (e.g. typos) when calling out other people's errors?]]>
Sun, 17 Jun 2018 09:56:42 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9848 http://curi.us/comments/show/9848
Anonymous at 4:14 AM Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
Yes absolutely.

>Taleb presumably got offended cuz curi took the tone of a friendly-but-critical colleague pointing out an error

That is not how the tone came off. In fact it comes off as very patronising. Colleagues are usually not patronising to each other. In fact it was Elliot who spoke as if he had higher status and that should be taken into account.

Obsessing over typos is a known way of bullying someone. Teachers use it in school all the time. This interaction closely mirrored the interactions often found in schools.

None of the comments Elliot made here helpful. None of them took into account what Taleb was trying to achieve with his post and tried helping with that.

It is amusing (and sad) that Elliot (despite nominally being against coercive education) uses the tactics of coercive educators in most of his public interactions.]]>
Sun, 17 Jun 2018 08:14:43 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9847 http://curi.us/comments/show/9847
Anonymous Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
Here's an idea: you write a version of curi's tweet that you think Taleb wouldn't be offended by, but that expresses the same idea. In particular, it should express that the typo Taleb made matters because of the context (that is to say, he is calling out other people's errors, so it's especially important he error correct his own stuff when doing that).]]>
Sun, 17 Jun 2018 07:44:26 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9846 http://curi.us/comments/show/9846
Mysterious Poster Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
do you really regard social incompetence as a serious explanation here?

>or whether you just want people to respect, like and engage with you despite or (perhaps because) of it.

your use of parentheses doesn't make sense. if you drop the parenthetical part you have nonsense. parenthetical remarks should be optional, not required parts of the core sentence structure.

anyways, what's wrong with what curi said?

Taleb presumably got offended cuz curi took the tone of a friendly-but-critical colleague pointing out an error, and Taleb is not used to random people from the internet taking that tone with him. also curi said the error mattered, and didn't downplay it, so that made Taleb feel bad!

presumably there are people who could take that tone with Taleb -- if not now then in the past (like a professor in school, say). but curi didn't have enough status to satisfy Taleb's requirements for being able to take that tone, so Taleb got mad.

and presumably if curi had taken a tone of sufficient supplication and of minimizing the importance of the error ("oh wise scholar Taleb, sorry to trouble you with such trivialities, but I happened to notice a minor error of little importance in your tremendous and mighty post") then Taleb would have been okay with it.

is that a rational approach to criticism?

is it rational to have a default expectation that people should engage in fraud regarding their intellectual status? or regarding their judgment regarding the importance of some mistake you made? if you think it is, why? is the answer roughly "to optimize social game playing at the expense of clear communication, truth, and personal integrity"?]]>
Sun, 17 Jun 2018 07:28:30 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9845 http://curi.us/comments/show/9845
Anonymous Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
"That idiot" being you.

I'd really like to know if you're just so socially inept to not understand how what you say comes off or whether you just want people to respect, like and engage with you despite or (perhaps because) of it.]]>
Sun, 17 Jun 2018 04:14:36 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9844 http://curi.us/comments/show/9844
curi Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
(strongly, repeatedly implied, but not stated)]]>
Sun, 17 Jun 2018 01:37:48 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9843 http://curi.us/comments/show/9843
curi Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks
You claim to be paying attention to details, but you're not. I pointed out other mistakes too – including a more important one to begin with – which he didn't reply to. So saying I made a typo into a moral crusade is straightforwardly false.

It is notable that the same message both 1) told me to get lost 2) gave as reasoning, not that i was wrong, but that i was correct. He didn't deny any of my corrections, and in the case he commented on, he in fact admitted I was correct about the error I pointed out.

You're trying to be logical, rational and detailed, but you don't have the skill for it, and you're biased and hostile. You aren't trying to help me, you're angry or something.]]>
Sun, 17 Jun 2018 01:37:05 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9842 http://curi.us/comments/show/9842
Anonymous Nassim Nicholas Taleb Sucks 1. He made a typo.
2. When you're saying other people make mistakes, that's a bad time to make mistakes yourself.

All he said was he makes mistakes. He didn't agree to your second claim, and implied he disagrees with it. (Rightly, because you made a typo into a moral crusade.)]]>
Sun, 17 Jun 2018 01:11:15 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9841 http://curi.us/comments/show/9841
curi How To Learn Something – With Plans and Steps
For planning here, I'd look at the bigger picture more. Why do you want to learn programing? What are you going to do with it? What do you like or dislike about it? Write down your goals and problem situation.

Then survey many different programming education options. Check for ways they meet or don't meet your goals. And check for their quality, enjoyability, format fitting your life ok, etc. And besides surveying stuff directly, read review articles, reddit discussions, etc., because other people have already done tons of surveying.

Either find something that works great for you, or get a clear understanding of why 20+ options are unsatisfactory to you and what you're looking for.]]>
Fri, 15 Jun 2018 12:38:46 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9840 http://curi.us/comments/show/9840
Andrew How To Learn Something – With Plans and Steps
I am linking this to the conversation we had yesterday. One of the things I want to learn is how to program.

I was learning C++ using CProgramming.com. Which is an easily accessible resource, but it has problems in its explanations sometimes and the exercises it gives you to do are somewhat boring. Linking this article in here, can you give some hints on how a plan would go with regards to learning computer programming for a beginner? I think I failed just because I did not have a clear plan. Planning is pretty difficult.]]>
Fri, 15 Jun 2018 11:00:56 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9839 http://curi.us/comments/show/9839
Anonymous David Miller Doesn't Want To Discuss Thu, 14 Jun 2018 16:33:06 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9838 http://curi.us/comments/show/9838 curi David Miller Doesn't Want To Discuss
Yes, that's a standard part of the cultural movement and what's going on. Uses of such metaphors are frequent, and sometimes more ambiguous, and are eroding the real distinctions.

It's a bad metaphor, anyway, because being mistaken is a matter of choices and thoughts, not something that just happens to you (as infections and colds can). Part of the typical purpose of such metaphors is to push on this issue – to push against free will, personal responsibility, etc.]]>
Thu, 14 Jun 2018 16:25:51 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9837 http://curi.us/comments/show/9837
Anonymous David Miller Doesn't Want To Discuss Thu, 14 Jun 2018 16:22:39 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9836 http://curi.us/comments/show/9836 curi David Miller Doesn't Want To Discuss Thu, 14 Jun 2018 16:16:13 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9835 http://curi.us/comments/show/9835 curi David Miller Doesn't Want To Discuss
i guess you aren't aware of Szasz's and my criticisms of medicalizing non-medical issues. see e.g. https://www.amazon.com/Medicalization-Everyday-Life-Selected-Essays-ebook/dp/B0051UA5NG/?tag=curi04-20

i have an essay on psychiatry at: https://gumroad.com/l/ezayH

this isn't urgent (unless you're seeing a therapist or on psych meds or something – then read Szasz ASAP), but you should at least be aware there's an issue there. i'd suggest that, prior to researching the matter, you try to avoid pro-pscyhiatry statements including statements which treat non-medical issues as medical issues. try to be neutral, instead of contributing to a particular side of a culture war, pending being ready to take sides.]]>
Thu, 14 Jun 2018 16:14:00 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9834 http://curi.us/comments/show/9834
Anonymous David Miller Doesn't Want To Discuss
I should sleep now, but I'll check back here tomorrow.]]>
Thu, 14 Jun 2018 16:12:46 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9833 http://curi.us/comments/show/9833
curi David Miller Doesn't Want To Discuss Thu, 14 Jun 2018 16:08:16 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9832 http://curi.us/comments/show/9832 Anonymous David Miller Doesn't Want To Discuss
This is a good suggestion, but I think I would be too embarrassed and wouldn't know how to start.]]>
Thu, 14 Jun 2018 16:07:58 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9831 http://curi.us/comments/show/9831
curi David Miller Doesn't Want To Discuss
If the goal is to teach the world, I think it'd be overreaching. If the goal is to practice writing, to organize your thoughts about things you read, to think about issues, etc, then it sounds like a good project (but it'd take time, and you mentioned earlier lack of time and having some current problems in your life to address, and it's not a project which would directly solve your immediate problems).]]>
Thu, 14 Jun 2018 16:06:50 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9830 http://curi.us/comments/show/9830
Anonymous David Miller Doesn't Want To Discuss
What do you think of the following idea. I have read a lot of self-help books and what is called in Waterstones (an english book store) smart thinking, the idea was to make a blog reviewing these In a critical rationalist spirit. I have a huge list of books about decisions, choice, cognitive biases and they all seem to be infected with the same error about what irrationalist is.]]>
Thu, 14 Jun 2018 16:03:51 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9829 http://curi.us/comments/show/9829
curi David Miller Doesn't Want To Discuss Thu, 14 Jun 2018 15:58:45 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9828 http://curi.us/comments/show/9828 curi David Miller Doesn't Want To Discuss Thu, 14 Jun 2018 15:56:27 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9827 http://curi.us/comments/show/9827 Anonymous David Miller Doesn't Want To Discuss Thu, 14 Jun 2018 15:53:16 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9826 http://curi.us/comments/show/9826 curi David Miller Doesn't Want To Discuss
I had in mind doing your own applying using 1) whatever you know about philosophy 2) FI philosophy (including TCS, BoI, Objectivism, CR).]]>
Thu, 14 Jun 2018 15:46:55 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9825 http://curi.us/comments/show/9825
curi David Miller Doesn't Want To Discuss
If you read books in the field (business), just try them and see. If you don't care about the field much, just read a few chapters of The Choice and see that it's a wonderful philosophy book.

I have an upcoming product related to Goldratt. It has summary material (text) for his important ideas and videos analyzing some of his work (not his novels or The Choice, which are what i recommend people read first, the videos cover other stuff.)]]>
Thu, 14 Jun 2018 15:45:12 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9824 http://curi.us/comments/show/9824
Anonymous David Miller Doesn't Want To Discuss
Yes, but most applied philosophy, these days, is nonsense peddled by the new fervour over stoicism, which has one or two good ideas, but is actually not good in general and is mainly about changing your internal state irrationally. Or there is a lot of self-help nonsense. Any recomendations?]]>
Thu, 14 Jun 2018 15:44:46 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9823 http://curi.us/comments/show/9823
Anonymous David Miller Doesn't Want To Discuss Goal - process of ongoing improvement.]]> Thu, 14 Jun 2018 15:40:21 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9822 http://curi.us/comments/show/9822 Anonymous David Miller Doesn't Want To Discuss Thu, 14 Jun 2018 15:37:26 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9821 http://curi.us/comments/show/9821 curi David Miller Doesn't Want To Discuss Thu, 14 Jun 2018 15:21:53 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9820 http://curi.us/comments/show/9820 curi David Miller Doesn't Want To Discuss Thu, 14 Jun 2018 15:20:12 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9819 http://curi.us/comments/show/9819 Anonymous David Miller Doesn't Want To Discuss Thu, 14 Jun 2018 15:15:32 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9818 http://curi.us/comments/show/9818 curi David Miller Doesn't Want To Discuss
that's good. i suggest reading my material about overreaching. there are lots of life organization issues besides money, and i've been developing some general ideas about it.

https://rationalessays.com/life-overreaching-correcting-error

http://fallibleideas.com/overreach

(that first link is new, i just put it online so i could link it. though i sent it out in my newsletter recently so subscribers could see it first as a bonus.)

there's been discussion on FI list too. Alisa in particular has taken to the idea of managing one's error rate.

more writing on these topics is in progress.


> Miller's theory says that evidence is used to measure how far we have gone in investigating a theory, given that we have already accepted it as worthy of testing.

I think we're talking with different purposes. I did not identify or discuss "Miller's theory". I identified specific text which my Yes or No Philosophy contradicts. i was not attempting to judge what Miller's main point(s) was or how my philosophy fits with that; i simply found text indicating he makes the mistake i criticize and therefore my material is relevant to him. i think you're trying to look at the bigger picture. i'm not. Miller wrote things he would not have written if he understood and agreed with my yes/no position. that's all. i pointed this out because he didn't acknowledge our disagreement, so my reply focused on the point that we really do disagree (similar to how i have quoted Popper's comment on weighty arguments to show there's a disagreement there, regardless of what Popper's broader point was in whatever chapter that was from).

And the issue – my issue that i'm focusing on – is not confirmation or the role of evidence or testing or whatever else you're talking about. It's my claim that ideas don't have amounts of goodness and shouldn't be judged that way (e.g. there are no strong or weak arguments, and no partial half-criticism).

Miller:

> weight of negative evidence

me:

evidence and arguments don't have weights, degrees, amounts of power/goodness/impact. in each case, they are either decisive or nothing. it's black and white. it's binary. ideas should be categorized as either refuted or non-refuted, which doesn't involve weights. see https://yesornophilosophy.com

I think Miller is not familiar with my core claim here. It's a new idea I developed (building on Popper's general epistemology and especially on DD who wrote some great stuff about weighing in BoI) which Miller doesn't know, and which he contradicts occasionally in his writing (not as an intentional disagreement, but from ignorance, IMO). That's totally fine so far, the sad part is Miller didn't want to learn something new about CR, a substantial improvement on Popper (nor does he want to debate it – initial skepticism would be totally reasonable).]]>
Thu, 14 Jun 2018 15:08:09 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9817 http://curi.us/comments/show/9817
Anonymous David Miller Doesn't Want To Discuss
Confirmationism in general is just the idea that we can measure how close a theory is to being acceptable by using evidence. All confirmationist theories have this trait, so I did not think I needed to specify.

Miller's theory says that evidence is used to measure how far we have gone in investigating a theory, given that we have already accepted it as worthy of testing.]]>
Thu, 14 Jun 2018 14:48:53 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9816 http://curi.us/comments/show/9816
curi Discussion About the Importance of Explanations with Andrew Crawshaw
> obtain something from (a specified source)

i think that was what you meant.

deduce (in logic and philosophy) means taking a set of premises, and the strict rules of (deductive) logic, and then working out things that are already implied by the premises. it's basically like doing a math proof.

e.g. if your premises are that P is true and Q is true, then you can deduce that the claim "P and Q" is true. you can also deduce "P and P and P and Q" is true, and deduce "P or Q" is true. there are infinitely many things which are logically implied by the premises plus strict/deductive/formal logic, and those are the things that can be deduced.

deduction is overrated and overemphasized, and focusing on it clashes with the me/DD/Popper approach of caring about explanations.]]>
Thu, 14 Jun 2018 14:47:05 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9815 http://curi.us/comments/show/9815
Anonymous Discussion About the Importance of Explanations with Andrew Crawshaw
>of course. not even *derive*. (you keep talking about deduction, which is a very specific logical thing, but you don't seem to mean it. deriving is a more general concept).

A little more. Are you saying that I should use the word derive where I am using deduce?

What's the difference between the two in a logical context?]]>
Thu, 14 Jun 2018 14:40:32 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9814 http://curi.us/comments/show/9814
curi Discussion About the Importance of Explanations with Andrew Crawshaw
Sure explanations are co-created with other things. What I've said is they are necessary.]]>
Thu, 14 Jun 2018 14:28:59 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9813 http://curi.us/comments/show/9813
Anonymous Discussion About the Importance of Explanations with Andrew Crawshaw
We generate ideas amd explanations of those ideas at the same time through trial and error.]]>
Thu, 14 Jun 2018 14:27:29 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9812 http://curi.us/comments/show/9812
Anonymous Discussion About the Importance of Explanations with Andrew Crawshaw
You say that >where does that value come from. Bassically explanation.

But you said previously that

>but it's only worth trying to improve when it has some value, ie some good trait that makes it seem promising.

There is a tension here? Right? The value comes from the trait not the explanation. Maybe you mean in order to recognise the value of the trait you need a good explanation.

I agree that they involve some kind of explanation. But that explanation is developed along with the trial and error of ideas. They are created together. We have a goal we generate ideas we criticise and develope explanations alongside them. These are both trial and error procedures.]]>
Thu, 14 Jun 2018 14:24:25 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9811 http://curi.us/comments/show/9811
curi Discussion About the Importance of Explanations with Andrew Crawshaw
of course. not even *derive*. (you keep talking about deduction, which is a very specific logical thing, but you don't seem to mean it. deriving is a more general concept).

but when you have a problem and you brainstorm solutions, you do not brainstorm random solutions. for each thing you brainstorm, you need and have some idea of how it could help with the problem (even if that idea is kinda vague or intuitive or subconscious, rather than something you can easily express in words). "some idea" here means some explanation. some idea relating the conjecture to the problem *is* an explanation (of how the conjecture relates to the problem).

explanations are everywhere. there's no escaping them.]]>
Thu, 14 Jun 2018 14:07:48 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9810 http://curi.us/comments/show/9810
curi Discussion About the Importance of Explanations with Andrew Crawshaw
I agree.

> 2. It might be the case that after the idea has been created that it can be made part of an explanation.

You can do that, but it's only worth trying to improve an idea when it has some value, e.g. some good trait that makes it seem promising. There are infinitely many potential ideas so we have to prioritize. And where does value come from? Basically explanations. So the ideas worth working with already involve some sort of explanation. But you can take an idea that is part of some smaller or lesser explanations (which give it some value now instead of it just being a random bad idea) and try to make it relate to some more important or bigger explanation. If you are interested in a particular explanation, you can take ideas which are not yet related to *that* explanation, and try to connect them to it.

So I don't think we disagree about (1) and I don't know if we have a major disagreement about (2) – maybe you'll agree with my clarifications of the matter (I'm agreeing with what I think is the essence of your claim).

> Beavers

Your argument about animals is a big tangent which contradicts my and DD's understanding of animals. I don't think it's necessary to debate it now in order to discuss the main topic.

> low level empirical generalisations

There are infinitely many low level patterns. They don't need explaining by default. One takes notice of some of them when one has an explanation of why those matter.

> If Deustch is making the normative claim, he is really suggesting that good ideas cannot be used unless we then have an explanation of them. I have not yet thought about the impact of this.

Ideas without explanations anywhere are valueless to rational human action, so we shouldn't value (or use or act on) them. Commonly there are explanations which aren't stated. In short, people always *do* have explanations of some sort, so the zero explanation scenario doesn't come up (but the *bad* explanation scenario comes up often, and often the bad explanations are shielded from criticism by being unstated.) Explanations are ubiquitous in human life.]]>
Thu, 14 Jun 2018 14:02:06 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9809 http://curi.us/comments/show/9809
Anonymous Discussion About the Importance of Explanations with Andrew Crawshaw
>What invention was created that didn't have an explanation about how it worked?

My point is not that there isn't some explanation for the invention. But that the act of creation or invention of an idea is not usually deduced from an explanations. When we are using trial and error to create something, this trial and error has two components, one os the creation of a series of ideas that then are criticised by testi and theoretical knowledge, we don't just deduce ideas from the knowledge we have, otherwise there would never be any new knowledge. There is novelty in the creation of ideas that is not already in our background knowledge,]]>
Thu, 14 Jun 2018 13:54:16 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9808 http://curi.us/comments/show/9808
Anonymous Discussion About the Importance of Explanations with Andrew Crawshaw
I wan to make to point about where I think me and Elliot temple got bogged down and maybe it will help us sort out our disagreement.

1. The genesis of an idea is not usually, or at all, that it was deducted from a theory.

2. It might be the case that after the idea has been created that it can be made part of an explanation.

I wish to also make a point about the other interweaving argument to do with the pertinence of Deutches example.

I think it can be accepted that grass cures cold is a bad explanation, but that's because it is not a explanation. Just like the claim that chairs can be sat on is not a good explanation. Elliot's argumentative strategy was then to change the point and say they have good explanations for them. This is different to the original point, which is that they were bad explanations in themselves. My point was that an explanation must explain something, and what they explain are these low level empirical generalisations. Low-level empirical generalisation aren't themselves explanations - which was deutsch was saying we're bad explanations. This hinges on a core difference between technology and science.

Elliot's further argument is that there is always an explanation for something, before it is repeatedly used. Which is a false descriptive claim, as shown by Beavers, we never lost an ability to be ingenuous that all animals have. But then he claimed that what Deustch was arguing was that we should have explanations, before we repeatedly do something. But the descriptive claim and this normative claim are totally different.

If Deustch is making the normative claim, he is really suggesting that good ideas cannot be used unless we then have an explanation of them. I have not yet thought about the impact of this.]]>
Thu, 14 Jun 2018 13:38:11 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9807 http://curi.us/comments/show/9807
curi David Miller Doesn't Want To Discuss
Much of what you write is unclear, e.g.:

> The difference between evidence in comfirmation is that it

Issues include:

- what "it" refers to

- what two(?) things are having their difference compared. one expects to read about a "difference between" X *and* Y (and perhaps Z too). But there's just the one thing, and guessing "in" is a typo for "and" doesn't make much sense here.

- why "the" difference instead of "a" difference

- what "in comfirmation" means (like does it mean in a particular pro-confirmation epistemology which isn't specified, or does it mean while doing an unspecified confirming process, or what. neither the preposition nor the main word are clear)

- the intended word "confirmation" is typoed

- the "it" suggests there's only one thing being talked about, contrary to the "difference between" that requires multiple things

- too complicated for just a sentence intro

These are just examples which ought to get the point across. I'm not interested in taking the time to point out the other issues with this part or to go through the other parts.

To discuss complex, advanced issues, an extra effort is required to write in a simple, clear way. The harder the topic, the more effort needs to go into communication organization and quality. Intellectual clarity is an important skill our culture is hostile to, and our educational institutions don't teach, but which is nevertheless required to be an effective philosopher.

I hope your takeaway will be interest in learning to be a better philosopher and writer so that you can understand and contribute to these topics. I hope you'll appreciate the criticism and be inspired to learn more in an active, vigorous way. The world needs more philosophers. You could have potential if you don't get defensive or try to sweep this problem under the rug or dismiss it in some way.]]>
Thu, 14 Jun 2018 12:49:59 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9806 http://curi.us/comments/show/9806
Andrew David Miller Doesn't Want To Discuss
Doesn't this fit in nicely with your idea that we should collect criticism and even enhances it..]]>
Thu, 14 Jun 2018 12:26:31 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9805 http://curi.us/comments/show/9805
Anonymous David Miller Doesn't Want To Discuss
Yes, Popper did think that there was a way to positively weigh things. And Miller corrects him in that very passage he cited.

Miller is undecided and is still trying to investigate deductive dependence and how this impacts on critical evaluation. The idea is that things can be deduced from evidence and the more evidence there is, the more can be deduced from it. This is a logical truism. Furthermore, evidence can be what Miller calls complete, in the sense that there might be a bunch of evidence which measures how far we have investigated and then we get a poece of evidence which refutes the theory. If we wish, we could keep investigating the theory by trying to find other things it gets wrong, the more, and varied counter evidence we collect can point out further errors in the already refuted theory. A refuted theory can be milked for more errors which will help us in our search for new theories by pre-empting and offering criticism for future guesses.]]>
Thu, 14 Jun 2018 12:20:18 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9804 http://curi.us/comments/show/9804
Stanford Prison Experiment article anonymous Discussion
Wow. I had not seen any of this before.]]>
Thu, 14 Jun 2018 05:02:34 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9803 http://curi.us/comments/show/9803
Stanford Prison Experiment = lies, fraud, bullshit curi Discussion Wed, 13 Jun 2018 21:30:03 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9802 http://curi.us/comments/show/9802 Anonymous Discussion
- Majority of GOP are corrupt swamp people. (Dems are much worse.)
- So many activist, leftist judges at all levels.
- Obamacare.
- Dominance of SJW and other very unreasonable thinking in major parts of the culture (including: universities, public schools, media, young people).

Trump is helping but there are huge, imminent dangers beyond what he's addressing. And Europe is falling apart much more than the US with its immigrant crime the authorities don't want to stop, no go zones, jailing people who speak out against Muslims raping white teens, etc.]]>
Tue, 12 Jun 2018 03:44:17 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9801 http://curi.us/comments/show/9801
Anonymous Discussion
ISIS wiped off the face of the earth.
Pulling out of the Iran nuke deal.
Alignment of Middle East against Iran.
Saudi Arabia now a clear ally and an ally of Israel.
US embassy in Jerusalem.
Unemployment lowest since year 2000.
Massive cut back of regulations.
Black unemployment at all-time low.
Economic growth up.
Tax cuts.
Armed forces rebuild.
Denuclearization of North Korea.
Withdrawal from the Paris Climate Accord.
Telling the G7 and others that America is not the world's piggy bank.
Getting in the face of leftists big-time, exposing them as fools, and hitting back twice as hard.

This is all really good stuff (and there is more I didn't mention). No other president in recent history has accomplished so much just 18 months in.]]>
Tue, 12 Jun 2018 02:46:45 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9800 http://curi.us/comments/show/9800
curi Discussion
Maybe if he builds a wall. (1.5 years gone with no wall, 2.5 years left.)

I could forgive a lot of things from Trump, like about tariffs, but he needs to follow through on his #1 key promise: end chain migration, deport people, restrict immigration, and BUILD THE WALL.]]>
Tue, 12 Jun 2018 01:32:48 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9799 http://curi.us/comments/show/9799
Anonymous Discussion Tue, 12 Jun 2018 00:56:41 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9798 http://curi.us/comments/show/9798 Anonymous Discussion Sun, 10 Jun 2018 01:47:51 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9797 http://curi.us/comments/show/9797 Anonymous Discussion Sat, 09 Jun 2018 22:33:59 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9796 http://curi.us/comments/show/9796 Anonymous David Deutsch's Tweets Suck
@DavidDeutschOxf
> The worst thing that President Trump has done so far is to increase the already-absurd amount of hyperbole in political discourse to the level of completely unrestrained automatism.

This was in response to:

> You sold America out to a foreign power, the greatest betrayal of the nation ever.

>@realDonaldTrump
>>....The greatest Witch Hunt in political history!

What the hell is Deutsch doing? The Russian collusion story is utter bollocks and Trump is right it is a witch hunt. Rather than saying this outright, Deutsch just says Trump's worst crime is to cause a complete meltdown in political discourse or something. Trump is not responsible for the left acting like and being complete idiots. He has just helped expose them for what they are.

Deutsch has indeed succumbed to massive social pressure.]]>
Fri, 08 Jun 2018 04:34:38 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9795 http://curi.us/comments/show/9795
Anonymous David Deutsch's Tweets Suck
The left's response to this situation is to be really mad and double down on the aggression, which makes sense given how the GOP is full of appeasing middle-of-the-roaders who won't stand up for the few good guys like Trump and Cruz.

Meanwhile, no wall is being built and school vouchers aren't getting anywhere (to reduce government control over what children are taught, along with government incompetence/inefficiency to teach anything). Many people don't know it, but Trump made campaign promises about a $130 BILLION voucher program, see: http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/11/17/david-horowitz-steve-bannon-civil-rights-hero/]]>
Thu, 07 Jun 2018 21:32:01 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9794 http://curi.us/comments/show/9794
Anonymous I Changed My Mind About David Deutsch
Another issue is people typically assume one leads with one's best arguments/punches, and claiming to have anything in reserve is bluster. It's not real to them that ET and DD both have hundreds of things to say about each other which they are keeping private, and ET was only relating a little bit of info for a limited purpose.

One major asymmetry is that ET would happily tell his criticism of DD to DD, to allow for private rebuttal (and would do lots of it publicly with DD's permission) but not vice versa – DD largely refused to explain his complaints about ET to ET. More generally, ET has Paths Forward and DD is blocking them. http://fallibleideas.com/paths-forward]]>
Thu, 07 Jun 2018 21:19:51 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9793 http://curi.us/comments/show/9793
jack Anonymous David Deutsch's Tweets Suck
It must be caused by unrelenting social pressure. I can't find any other reason for this idiocy.]]>
Thu, 07 Jun 2018 21:18:49 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9792 http://curi.us/comments/show/9792
Anonymous David Deutsch's Tweets Suck Thu, 07 Jun 2018 21:12:45 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9791 http://curi.us/comments/show/9791 jack Anonymous I Changed My Mind About David Deutsch Thu, 07 Jun 2018 21:11:32 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9790 http://curi.us/comments/show/9790 jack Anonymous David Deutsch's Tweets Suck Thu, 07 Jun 2018 21:03:27 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9789 http://curi.us/comments/show/9789 curi How To Learn Something – With Plans and Steps
More visibly, babies learn things like how to open and close their hand (moving one finger is an earlier, smaller step), or move their hand 3-5 inches to the right (moving a non-specific or less specific distance is an earlier, smaller step).

A small learning project for you might be learning the difference between "its" and "it's" or "there" and "their". Or learning what "i.e." or "ad hoc" means. You can learn new words, or improve your understanding of words you already know something about, one step at a time. You can learn a single correct way a comma is used or learn that "ed" is a signal of past tense verbs (or learn what a verb is) as small projects. If these seem too big and hard for you, you can do some smaller, easier projects first to build up towards them.

That's reading. Another good field is logic. What is "true & true & true"? What about "true or false or true"? You can learn, step by step, how to evaluate stuff with "and", "or", "not", "implies", etc. Once you know that you can start learning how it connects with English sentences with arguments, starting with simple ones.]]>
Wed, 06 Jun 2018 11:52:09 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9788 http://curi.us/comments/show/9788
Anonymous Do Primarily Easy Things – Increasing The Productivity Of Your Intellectual Labor Vs. Consumption Wed, 06 Jun 2018 11:41:29 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9787 http://curi.us/comments/show/9787 easy steps anon How To Learn Something – With Plans and Steps
Can you give examples of basic things that can be learned in one step that can be built on to learn more complicated things? I can't picture what kind of things I would start with.]]>
Wed, 06 Jun 2018 04:05:06 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9786 http://curi.us/comments/show/9786
reading anonymous Do Primarily Easy Things – Increasing The Productivity Of Your Intellectual Labor Vs. Consumption
This sounds good. I'd like to restart my education from the beginning. But before I can read all this useful stuff you recommend I need to know how to read better. Got any ideas on how to start learning to read more effectively?]]>
Wed, 06 Jun 2018 04:01:21 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9785 http://curi.us/comments/show/9785
Anonymous Analyzing How Far I'll Go
typo. it should be "sea".]]>
Thu, 31 May 2018 20:58:37 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9784 http://curi.us/comments/show/9784
curi Asperger's Syndrome
I don't think you understood the point of the blog post, which is that "aspies" consists of disobedience enabled by *hitting children less*. That is, you can be brutal or you can start to face the fact that you haven't successfully persuaded children to voluntarily live in ways that you approve of at all times. E.g., if not beaten into submission, they might want fast food and not want to do chores.

Since it's your home and you're dissatisfied with the situation, what you need to do is *bring up the problem* – but don't escalate immediately to kicking people out. You need improved communication about who wants what, what problems are unacceptable to who, what will happen next if an acceptable way to live together isn't found, etc, etc. It sounds like you've done a lot of suffering quietly (or maybe made sarcastic remarks, frowned, sounded upset, etc. – typical things people do that are not open discussion which faces the issues, and which makes things worse).]]>
Wed, 30 May 2018 10:59:01 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9783 http://curi.us/comments/show/9783
living with one Anonymous Asperger's Syndrome Wed, 30 May 2018 10:39:12 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9782 http://curi.us/comments/show/9782 How far I'll go Shakshi patel Analyzing How Far I'll Go Mon, 28 May 2018 07:56:15 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9781 http://curi.us/comments/show/9781 FI's major challenges jones Do Primarily Easy Things – Increasing The Productivity Of Your Intellectual Labor Vs. Consumption Mon, 28 May 2018 06:33:05 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9780 http://curi.us/comments/show/9780 Anonymous Voluntarily Facing Chaos and Evil Sun, 27 May 2018 10:48:36 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9779 http://curi.us/comments/show/9779 Anonymous Voluntarily Facing Chaos and Evil Sun, 27 May 2018 10:47:46 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9778 http://curi.us/comments/show/9778 Anonymous Voluntarily Facing Chaos and Evil
what do u mean that your life was not yet organized?]]>
Sun, 27 May 2018 05:25:45 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9777 http://curi.us/comments/show/9777
curi Discussion
> There is currently a tremendous campaign under way -- in the media, schools, books, entertainment -- to instil precisely these (global eco-catastrophe) fears, precisely in children. Some of the issues are loosely based on worthwhile concerns (none remotely deserving of fear), while others are pure junk. To combat the resulting fear one needs reason and facts.]]>
Sat, 26 May 2018 01:43:23 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9776 http://curi.us/comments/show/9776
Anonymous Discussion
What is something he has written about this?]]>
Sat, 26 May 2018 01:30:12 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9775 http://curi.us/comments/show/9775
curi Discussion
that is not DD's position. DD is basically a climate skeptic like me.

a good place to start learning about fossil fuels, environmentalism, etc. is:

http://www.moralcaseforfossilfuels.com

Alex Epstein also has a bunch of speeches on youtube. Other great material is in:

https://www.amazon.com/Return-Primitive-Anti-Industrial-Revolution/dp/0452011841?tag=curi04-20

https://www.amazon.com/Capitalism-Treatise-Economics-George-Reisman-ebook/dp/B0084RU67S?tag=curi04-20]]>
Thu, 24 May 2018 19:30:09 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9774 http://curi.us/comments/show/9774
curi Criticism of Eliezer Yudkowsky on Karl Popper Thu, 24 May 2018 19:26:56 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9773 http://curi.us/comments/show/9773 anything by k.r.P. Popper Discussion of our very high priorities now. Especially that there appears
to be a consensus forming that there is likely only 30 years
or so before scientists can ascertain if the climate HAS GONE
OUT OF CONTROL.
Shocking to me, but i'd suggest that we better had know tomorrow
or as quickly-as-possible if we want the time to be able to
save the planet's atmosphere & ourselves (human futures so to
speak).

I have not said half as much about the threat of nuclear war as I have done on the danger of the fossil fuels on our environment.
(on yahoo philosophy category..)
But I hope-to-change that, thanks to some weeks or months lately
that ive taken some opportunity to reflect..err, critically on
it so to speak.
I have said though there (tentatively) that we must NEVER put
"knowledge" AHEAD of "peace" concerning the threat as above.
I or we must be ADAMANT on this.
The greater risks are sometimes not-worth-it and such an
ultimate war I now believe is one such risk.
And though the threat has affected me personally over recent
times..nonetheless any one's inability or inaction as a tiny
help may be put in writing (as long as that risk was weighted
too..).
And saying that "diplomacy" in the one field may reflect a more
diplomatic-but-rational critical movement in the other, envir-
onmental field, might well be as much benefit as we could expect
given the present evidence.

peter m (hello to you all !)]]>
Thu, 24 May 2018 18:05:24 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9772 http://curi.us/comments/show/9772
criticism of EY on Popper peter m Criticism of Eliezer Yudkowsky on Karl Popper and indeed Popper did (say that he) combatted Bayesian epistemology
for that time (he also managed to call the Bayesians the "adherents
of the subjective interpretation of the probability calculus..
constricting the discussion to part of maths - though I don't
want to suggest anything from this/that splitting-of-hairs!).

But..then Popper goes on to say something very pertinent I believe.
That Bayesians and MORE can give "greater epistemic dignity" to the
statement "I know that snow is white" than the statement "snow is
white". Then he goes on to bring the short discussion back to
evidence-is-available and rational belief of a factual thing
(= snow is white, whereas something different could be inserted
say with a different colour.And it may not be known as such-a
factual-thing.

My "nit picking" in & of the above is not meant as any criticism
mr T. On the contrary it has led to an opportunity for me to
cheekily state again sir Karl's persistent theme throughout his
Philosphy so to speak...that students and all can easily or
very easily be drawn into BAD subjective interpretations and
thus even as individuals (not groups of Bayisians)we have to be
on constant alert not to fall into such - and to stay upon our
stated course of belief-in-rational-evidence of the facts,
including I should say critical facts like (the statement of)
snow is white.
Convoluted & a little over-the-top ?
Perhaps (!)

peter m

thanks for your above, 2009 article, sir !]]>
Thu, 24 May 2018 17:33:25 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9771 http://curi.us/comments/show/9771
peter m karl Popper Objectivity Good for me as Ive been arguing a lot of Popper-ian ideas
on yahoo philosophy section for a long time, about 12 years!

I originally studied a western University course called the
History of Ideas...a wonderful course because a small part
entailed learning about Popper's scientific knowledge, &
from a registered full blown academic perspective.
Also included psychology & pure Philosophy classes, without
doubt a very special and rewarding time spent studying
within this "humanity" so to speak.

So I knew of course when participating on the yahoo site
mentioned that there would be plenty of U.S. writers,
philosophers & students (also from around the world too)&
I knew that it was likely that Popper's ideas or teaching
had not really "made it" to those shores. And I was shocked
I can tell you.
But finding your presence thro that particular youtube
video, the one where you forcefully, directly criticise
those academic views of KP's work/s, was a mini revelation
for me.
and I do hope that you may find my understanding of such a
Lot less "academic" that some of those youtube vids.
For I too understand that sir Karl's work contains much more
than what some on youtube profess that it is, & of course
that has made me concerned 7 continues to have such an effect
too!

peter m]]>
Thu, 24 May 2018 16:42:28 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9770 http://curi.us/comments/show/9770
Tom Letter to Jordan Peterson on Antidepressants and Rational Discussion
Any further word from JBP on antidepressants?

I’m still so surprised he’s taken in by them and considers them at worst harmless.

He must have had a rough time and feels the need to believe in them.]]>
Thu, 24 May 2018 04:48:29 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9769 http://curi.us/comments/show/9769
curi Letter to Jordan Peterson on Antidepressants and Rational Discussion Wed, 23 May 2018 21:53:02 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9768 http://curi.us/comments/show/9768 Tom Letter to Jordan Peterson on Antidepressants and Rational Discussion Wed, 23 May 2018 21:23:14 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9767 http://curi.us/comments/show/9767 FF Letter to Jordan Peterson on Antidepressants and Rational Discussion Wed, 23 May 2018 10:07:18 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9766 http://curi.us/comments/show/9766 Agree Tom Letter to Jordan Peterson on Antidepressants and Rational Discussion
For me the worst thing about antidepressants is that for every person they actually help, there are many who respond spontaneously or due to placebo effects who come to falsely attribute their recovery to the drug. They become emotionally dependant on the drug, thinking the drug is what’s keeping them aloft, like dumbo believing it’s his “magic” feather which allows him to fly.
.]]>
Tue, 22 May 2018 19:17:45 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9765 http://curi.us/comments/show/9765
Anonymous Changing Minds About Inequality Sat, 19 May 2018 11:27:42 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9764 http://curi.us/comments/show/9764 Further Thoughts curi Do Primarily Easy Things – Increasing The Productivity Of Your Intellectual Labor Vs. Consumption Fri, 18 May 2018 14:58:08 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9763 http://curi.us/comments/show/9763 curi Do Primarily Easy Things – Increasing The Productivity Of Your Intellectual Labor Vs. Consumption
that typo was fixed a while ago.]]>
Fri, 18 May 2018 13:56:11 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9762 http://curi.us/comments/show/9762
guilherme Do Primarily Easy Things – Increasing The Productivity Of Your Intellectual Labor Vs. Consumption
is "needs to" right here? i never heard that being used in such a way and it seems to me that "leads to" would give the sentence the right meaning.]]>
Fri, 18 May 2018 13:54:31 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9761 http://curi.us/comments/show/9761
curi Do Primarily Easy Things – Increasing The Productivity Of Your Intellectual Labor Vs. Consumption Fri, 18 May 2018 11:31:59 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9760 http://curi.us/comments/show/9760 Unclear sentence PAS Do Primarily Easy Things – Increasing The Productivity Of Your Intellectual Labor Vs. Consumption
I can't make sense of this sentence in context. My best guess is you mean something like:

Equipped with these great ideas, they'd *avoid going* down intellectual dead ends, and otherwise create high quality outputs from their intellectual labor.]]>
Fri, 18 May 2018 07:15:37 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9759 http://curi.us/comments/show/9759
FF By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult
People should see them lose in a debate with Elliot.]]>
Thu, 17 May 2018 22:50:21 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9758 http://curi.us/comments/show/9758
Anonymous By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult Mon, 14 May 2018 20:49:05 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9757 http://curi.us/comments/show/9757 Please Exterminate Truth By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult Mon, 14 May 2018 20:45:05 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9756 http://curi.us/comments/show/9756 Anonymous Discussion Fri, 04 May 2018 11:29:06 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9755 http://curi.us/comments/show/9755 FF Discussion
Yes, Keating & Wynand suffered the most. Dominique suffered some.

What if don't want to suffer even a little?]]>
Fri, 04 May 2018 11:13:46 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9754 http://curi.us/comments/show/9754
Anonymous Discussion Fri, 04 May 2018 11:10:01 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9753 http://curi.us/comments/show/9753 FF Discussion
Howard Roark suffered a lot. I don't want to suffer like him.]]>
Fri, 04 May 2018 10:44:13 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9752 http://curi.us/comments/show/9752
Anonymous Discussion Wed, 02 May 2018 02:41:37 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9751 http://curi.us/comments/show/9751 Anonymous Discussion Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:52:52 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9750 http://curi.us/comments/show/9750 FF Discussion Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:33:51 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9749 http://curi.us/comments/show/9749 Anonymous Harry Binswanger Refuses To Think Sun, 22 Apr 2018 18:38:23 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9748 http://curi.us/comments/show/9748 Jabberwocky Damien Harry Binswanger Refuses To Think Sun, 22 Apr 2018 17:29:13 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9747 http://curi.us/comments/show/9747 patio11 comments Discussion
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16856753]]>
Tue, 17 Apr 2018 12:03:06 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9746 http://curi.us/comments/show/9746
Anonymous Why I Oppose Porn Sun, 15 Apr 2018 09:59:08 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9745 http://curi.us/comments/show/9745 Anonymous Discussion
> But one can't understand *why* something is happening if one has drastic misconceptions about *what* is happening.

Unfortunately Deutsch himself is under drastic misconceptions about what is happening. Moral failures are not mental illnesses. I guess Deutsch is not really interested in the truth. He doesn't want to be seen to lose status. That's why he banned ET for stating the truth about critical preferences.]]>
Sun, 15 Apr 2018 04:32:30 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9744 http://curi.us/comments/show/9744
FF Why I Oppose Porn Sun, 15 Apr 2018 01:52:36 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9743 http://curi.us/comments/show/9743 curi Accepting vs. Preferring Theories – Reply to David Deutsch
> You are blocked from following @DavidDeutschOxf and viewing @DavidDeutschOxf's Tweets.]]>
Sat, 14 Apr 2018 10:53:10 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9742 http://curi.us/comments/show/9742
curi Discussion
http://curi.us/2102-accepting-vs-preferring-theories-reply-to-david-deutsch

God DD's gone downhill. See also this followup about anti-semitism:

https://twitter.com/j_mallone/status/985154706510053376]]>
Sat, 14 Apr 2018 10:39:58 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9741 http://curi.us/comments/show/9741
Anonymous Discussion
https://mobile.twitter.com/DavidDeutschOxf/status/984769600406605829

> Yes, it's a derangement—the most harmful and dangerous in Western society. Very widespread. But *it's not hatred*, though it sometimes causes that. Nor racism (occasionally causes that too). It's a compulsion to legitimise hurting Jews. 'Antisemitism' is a misleading term for it.

Deutsch is diminishing anti-semitism by attributing it to ficticious mental illness. 😢]]>
Sat, 14 Apr 2018 04:17:30 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9740 http://curi.us/comments/show/9740
guilherme Goals & Purpose
yeah, and if you're not trying to make clear objectives your life will not be random, it will still have some purpose. so failure will happen, just that it will be harder to find and correct it.]]>
Fri, 13 Apr 2018 12:46:02 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9739 http://curi.us/comments/show/9739
curi Accepting vs. Preferring Theories – Reply to David Deutsch Tue, 10 Apr 2018 02:12:16 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9738 http://curi.us/comments/show/9738 Anonymous Accepting vs. Preferring Theories – Reply to David Deutsch Tue, 10 Apr 2018 02:02:05 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9737 http://curi.us/comments/show/9737 qtif oh my god it's turpentine Accepting vs. Preferring Theories – Reply to David Deutsch
https://vimeo.com/5490979]]>
Sun, 08 Apr 2018 23:20:29 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9736 http://curi.us/comments/show/9736
quantum theory is false oh my god it's turpentine Accepting vs. Preferring Theories – Reply to David Deutsch Sun, 08 Apr 2018 23:01:10 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9735 http://curi.us/comments/show/9735 Anonymous Accepting vs. Preferring Theories – Reply to David Deutsch
That is going to sound awfully confusing to most people.

Why does Deutsch say he is sure quantum theory is false?]]>
Sat, 07 Apr 2018 21:54:59 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9734 http://curi.us/comments/show/9734
FF Discussion Fri, 06 Apr 2018 07:35:25 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9733 http://curi.us/comments/show/9733 Anonymous Discussion Thu, 05 Apr 2018 17:51:44 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9732 http://curi.us/comments/show/9732 a person Discussion Thu, 05 Apr 2018 17:42:22 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/9731 http://curi.us/comments/show/9731