curi blog discussion Explanations for the curious en-us Anonymous Politics Discussion
says NYT Iran reporter regularly whitewashes Iranian regime with misinformation. she also uses a bot on Twitter to block anyone who mentions her name using the Persian language (doesn't matter at all what you say, just name and language) cuz she got complaints from actual Iranians pointing out her lies and she doesn't want to listen to or engage with the people of the country she reports on.]]>
Tue, 13 Apr 2021 03:01:56 +0000
Dominion Alisa Open Discussion (2021) Tue, 13 Apr 2021 02:39:24 +0000 curi curi's Microblogging
no i don't. it's very simple. my decisions are final. the end. don't like it, don't sign up.

i will not refund ppl who get banned early b/c part of the point of the price is to keep trolls out. refunding ppl who misbehave would defeat part of the purpose of a paywall.

i might give a refund in some cases at my own discretion, but ppl should not count on it.]]>
Mon, 12 Apr 2021 16:57:31 +0000
curi curi's Microblogging
or put a different way: it's hard for me to suggest a conversation would be good b/c it depends on what the person will put into it. TONS of conversations would be good if the person put a lot into it. the bottleneck is more about their motor than the topic.]]>
Mon, 12 Apr 2021 16:54:43 +0000
curi Errors Merit Post-Mortems

also i think some of their covid precautions were high-effort optimization of non-bottlenecks which led them to be biased about how safe they were.]]>
Mon, 12 Apr 2021 16:18:36 +0000
Anonymous curi's Microblogging Mon, 12 Apr 2021 06:47:28 +0000 curi Should I Facecam? Mon, 12 Apr 2021 06:30:21 +0000 Andy Dufresne curi's Microblogging > I'm thinking maybe a one time price to buy an account. Like $100 for an account or $500 for access to a semi-private forum and chatroom (only people who pay can see it, and people are requested not to share stuff to the open internet – it's not true privacy since anyone can buy access).

Sounds basically fine. You'd probably need to have super specific rules about what stuff will get an account revoked, since people will be paying for the account not the content they got while the account was active.

> I was also thinking about selling discussions. Could be something like: 2 week max, $1000 (or way more for same thing privately). This has incentives that might work well for me.

I remember an offer of something kinda like that earlier, with few takers. IIRC the previous offer was by the response/post instead of a flat rate for all the discussion within a time period, so the incentives were different. But I think the target market was similar.

I think you'd have to advertise it often and specifically to get takers. Like, advertise it when people post on a topic you're not interested in enough to discuss unless paid. If you think they'd benefit from the discussion if they paid you, you could say so in response to their post, so maybe they'd agree and buy. I doubt many or any people (including me) will notice on their own when they'd benefit from buying a discussion.

Two problems: This (advertising) is, itself, work you may not want to do. And, if you do it, I'd guess most people will interpret it socially and anti-capitalistically (something like: you're either hopelessly arrogant or needy and greedy).]]>
Sun, 11 Apr 2021 23:49:58 +0000
curi New Community Website: Features and Tech Sun, 11 Apr 2021 19:18:10 +0000 curi curi's Microblogging
I was also thinking about selling discussions. Could be something like: 2 week max, $1000 (or way more for same thing privately). This has incentives that might work well for me. People tend to drop or evade discussions. With a flat fee, if they do that I get paid well for my time. If they talk a lot, then I don't get paid as much for my time, but I get a discussion where someone actually talked much... The time limit is necessary to cap my effort, put a limit on my obligation, and to avoid people evading and then trying to continue next month.

Thoughts, reactions?]]>
Sun, 11 Apr 2021 18:36:24 +0000
SMB1 update Alisa Alisa Discussion
- 2021-01-03 [5m 47s]( (goal: 5m 54s; time spent: 70 hours)
- 2021-01-14 [5m 37s]( (goal: 5m 39s; time spent: 19.5 hours)
- 2021-01-28 [5m 20.54s]( (goal: 5m 24.846s; time spent: 48 hours)]]>
Sun, 11 Apr 2021 03:32:19 +0000
curi Alan Discussion]]>
Sat, 10 Apr 2021 17:46:36 +0000
curi curi's Microblogging Sat, 10 Apr 2021 17:44:53 +0000 Alisa Alisa Discussion
Tested on a Mac with Chrome 89.0.4389.114, Safari 14.0.3, and Firefox 87.0.]]>
Sat, 10 Apr 2021 03:40:55 +0000
Anonymous Politics Discussion]]>
Fri, 09 Apr 2021 06:18:51 +0000
Alisa Alisa Discussion Fri, 09 Apr 2021 06:00:05 +0000 curi curi's Microblogging]]>
Fri, 09 Apr 2021 04:41:29 +0000
Alisa Alisa Discussion
> I don't think it'll be that simple to fix, because my code uses the innerText property to read the body of the comment to be quoted, and the links won't show up in innerText. I think I'd have to use innerHTML instead, replace the "a href" links with markdown-style links, and then convert other HTML stuff to plain text, e.g. replace > with an actual greater-than sign.

I know Elliot said we can live with the current version of the code, but I thought of a pretty simple way to fix the issue: first iterate over all the link tags in the DOM tree for the comment body and replace each one with a markdown-style link. Then copy the innerText as usual.]]>
Fri, 09 Apr 2021 02:53:57 +0000
Anonymous Philosophy First
> This phenomenon also well known in high performance computing: Given a limited hardware budget you may be able to "start later to finish sooner".

The "start later to finish sooner" quote reminded me of this article. Delaying the start of some project in order to power up first could help you finish the project sooner.]]>
Thu, 08 Apr 2021 15:20:12 +0000
Alisa Alisa Discussion Wed, 07 Apr 2021 19:43:29 +0000 curi curi's Microblogging
It leads to problems like if I give out an upvote to 3 things, and then not the next one, people feel like they did it wrong this time or it's bad or something. But maybe it's fine. If I have to give out an upvote every time it's fine ... ugh I don't want to be in that situation. And the more you do that, the worse it gets. If you give out the 4th upvote in a row, now the pattern of upvoting all the decent ones is stronger.

People like encouragement but it's really important that they don't rely on it.

Any kind of inconsistency in encouragement can get noticed. That's for an individual (I upvote 3 things then not the 4th) and also between individuals (I upvote Joe's first thing but not Sue's first thing).

Maybe I need to avoid giving feedback unless I explain what it is and means in words, and it's OK if there's a larger barrier to entry there.]]>
Wed, 07 Apr 2021 18:52:45 +0000
curi Alisa Discussion Wed, 07 Apr 2021 17:39:51 +0000 curi Alisa Discussion
could do an AJAX solution but i don't think it's important enough]]>
Wed, 07 Apr 2021 17:38:04 +0000
Alisa Alisa Discussion
For example, check out #20351 on this page, which I think it was made using the "quote" button. It quotes me as saying "The command below takes", but what I actually said was "The [command below]( takes".

I don't think it'll be that simple to fix, because my [code]( uses the innerText property to read the body of the comment to be quoted, and the links won't show up in innerText. I think I'd have to use innerHTML instead, replace the "a href" links with markdown-style links, and then convert other HTML stuff to plain text, e.g. replace > with an actual greater-than sign.]]>
Wed, 07 Apr 2021 17:25:38 +0000
Activity: gigahurt Videos curi FI Basecamp Update
[gigahurt videos YouTube playlist](

[Info on idea trees](

Activity suggestion:

- watch videos
- pair up
- have conversations in pairs using conversation trees like in the videos
- both of you make your own trees

Don't watch all the videos first. Watch enough to have some ideas about what to try doing. Then do a conversation and try to do a tree. Then watch more videos. Then another conversation and tree. Repeat.

Each time you try to use the ideas, it'll help you learn more from the next video you watch. Because then you'll think about how the stuff in the video applies to what you were just doing and answers some of the questions you had. You'll see how you were doing things differently and be able to think about your reasons, make comparisons, decide if that difference is bad or is OK, etc.

You could also do a conversation with someone who isn't from FI, as long as you try to use a tree in the conversation similar to what I do in the videos.]]>
Wed, 07 Apr 2021 17:20:56 +0000
A Mysterious J Alisa Discussion
> The command below takes a PDF that doesn't allow copying and creates a version that allows it:

> > gs -q -dNOPAUSE -dBATCH -sDEVICE=pdfwrite -sOutputFile=output.pdf original.pdf

Really useful tip, thanks Alisa]]>
Wed, 07 Apr 2021 11:55:13 +0000
Anonymous Politics Discussion
> Our flight deck should reflect the diverse group of people on board our planes every day. That’s why we plan for 50% of the 5,000 pilots we train in the next decade to be women or people of color. Learn more and apply now:]]>
Wed, 07 Apr 2021 05:02:15 +0000
Alisa Alisa Discussion
The [command below]( takes a PDF that doesn't allow copying and creates a version that allows it:

> gs -q -dNOPAUSE -dBATCH -sDEVICE=pdfwrite -sOutputFile=output.pdf original.pdf]]>
Wed, 07 Apr 2021 04:18:47 +0000
curi Analyzing BoI Videos Tue, 06 Apr 2021 23:00:14 +0000 some things i said in a discussion the other guy deleted curi curi's Microblogging
I think you believe the other people need to get better at

1. logic
2. separating their words from their emotions

Whereas, I think they're having emotional issues which are connected to the content (just setting aside emotions is not a solution) and which are causing them to be worse at logic. And I think the same thing is happening with you. I don't think you have your emotions cleanly separated from what you think and say.


This conversation is getting a bit hard to follow. I think more organization would help. Would you be interested in making a tree for it? Like I did with gigahurt. See:


Making trees is actually one of the things I was going to suggest you could do to improve conversations with people. So it'd have a dual purpose. It'd be useful to this conversation and the technique could also be used to help with the problem this conversation is about.

If you organized a discussion with someone with a tree, it'd help them follow what was being said and understand you better. People often fail at project management and organization issues, which can lead to what appear to be logical errors, not listening or low effort. Making a tree can help them with that weakness re managing complexity and can help guide them. It can also help make things friendlier by showing (rather than telling) them that you're putting in a good faith effort to understand what they're saying. And it can make it more of a team effort to add nodes to the tree and create a thing together, rather than having an ephemeral war of words. Trees can also help with the problem of people jumping around between topics, which is sometimes more about bad organizational skills than bad faith.

Sometimes people will decline to have a conversation involving a tree even though you're willing to do all the diagramming work. In that case, it may be useful information that that isn't a conversation you should have, or you should only have it with really limited expectations.]]>
Tue, 06 Apr 2021 19:24:50 +0000
Anonymous Learning Skills Is Non-Linear
I tried to learn coding at 40 and I failed. I hate my job.]]>
Tue, 06 Apr 2021 19:16:42 +0000
curi Alan Discussion]]>
Tue, 06 Apr 2021 18:38:09 +0000
Alisa Alisa Discussion
> 3. The importance of economics derives from the importance of wealth insofar as the subject can be no more important than is wealth.

> 59. Striking down residency requirements for the receipt of welfare requirements represents violating the freedom of taxpayers.]]>
Tue, 06 Apr 2021 03:01:54 +0000
Alisa Alisa Discussion
Before answering each question, I decided whether or not I cared about the question and whether or not I was confident in my answer. (Credit to Elliot for suggesting that I do this.)

There were 68 questions. I got 66 (97%) correct.

The two I got wrong were (retyped from the pdf at the link above since it doesn't allow copy/paste):

3. The importance of economics derives from the importance of wealth insofar as the subject can be no more important than is wealth.

The answer was True. I put False. This is one of the questions that I both cared about and was confident of my answer in. In retrospect, I'm not confident that I understand the question. It should have recognized that I wasn't confident.

59. Striking down residency requirements for the receipt of welfare requirements represents violating the freedom of taxpayers.

The answer was True. I guessed False. This was a question that I cared about but wasn't confident of my answer. I don't think I understand the question, but the subject matter looks like something I would care about: residency requirements for welfare recipients and the "freedom" of taxpayers.

I think I did OK overall. I'm going to move on to the essay questions for this chapter. If that goes OK, I'll try the same thing on the second chapter of the book: read the chapter, and then answer the multiple choice Q&A questions and the essay questions.]]>
Tue, 06 Apr 2021 03:01:18 +0000
curi Alan Discussion Mon, 05 Apr 2021 19:48:28 +0000 Alan Alan Discussion Mon, 05 Apr 2021 19:41:20 +0000 curi Learning Skills Is Non-Linear Mon, 05 Apr 2021 19:18:03 +0000 Alisa Making Idea Trees
> I guess there might also be trees where understanding all of a node's children, plus some background knowledge, is *sufficient* for understanding the node itself.

That isn't quite what I want to say. What I want to say is that there could be trees in which:
- every child is necessary for understanding its parent, so there are no extra children
- understanding all the children of a node, along with any unstated relevant background knowledge, gives readers everything they need to understand the node itself]]>
Mon, 05 Apr 2021 03:29:41 +0000
Max Analyzing BoI Videos

#5 This one has some nice qualities that the curi-styled one doesn't have. Like, it is *prettier*. There's some info lacking, tho, that the curi-styled one has, like that curi is the one doing the explaining/analysis. IMO that's worth including in the thumbnail.

Also, I think I mb mentioned this (or similar) on basecamp, but IMO it's a missed opportunity not to add more content-stuff to the thumbnail and title (tho you can change the title later, mb the thumbnail too). Particularly the chapter of BoI being analyzed. One thing that's notable based on the screencap of the notification above: there is *no* info immediately visible that shows any difference between diff videos in the series. Like every notification will look the same if the thumbnail is the same. including something to differentiate the thumbnails seems useful and worth doing.]]>
Mon, 05 Apr 2021 03:22:46 +0000
Max Max Microblogging
For anyone reading this after the fact: [I replied]( to curi's post, and if there's more discussion specific to that topic it'll probably be under that thread.]]>
Mon, 05 Apr 2021 03:06:32 +0000
Max Learning Skills Is Non-Linear
> I want to talk about some problems with that linear skill model.

You use the word *linear*. There are two meanings that I think you mean by this:

1. Learning a new skill has breakpoints, so the pattern is more like *growth -> plateau -> growth -> plateau -> ...* rather than *add 1% -> add 1% -> add 1% -> ...*. Both of those patterns are nonlinear in that they're not `y = mx + b`, so what's not linear? The growth rate; there are discontinuities b/c of rapid progress via breakpoints and breakthroughs. Mb another way to say that is that *the increase in effectiveness via learning isn't smooth*.
2. Skills interact, so focusing on one skill in isolation isn't optimal/effective learning. Learning different (and particular) skills lets you combine them and get a ~synergy type boost to your productivity and/or capabilities.

As an example for (1): say you wanted to manage a resource like water where you have some incoming rate and an outgoing rate. You could get better at that task by getting better at doing arithmetic and computation, i.e., manually calculating incoming and outgoing figures. Maybe you do that by focusing on speed of computation and you get like 1% better each day. But you could also learn new methods of doing arithmetic (e.g. some of the clever ways of doing multiplication) and get *much* better in a short space of time. That's a breakpoint but it's like a 100% improvement and then you'd plateau. *Or, a third option,* you could learn calculus. That's also a breakpoint -- but much more like the jump to universality: if you know calculus you have *qualitatively new* methods of analysis. Not only can you do the stuff you used to do *much* faster (e.g. 10x faster or 100x faster), but you can also find new relationships that allow you to know stuff that *you never could have* using the previous methods (like finding critical points algebraically).

I guess that's also an example for (2); there were two paths you could have taken (faster computation or a new method), and learning that new method (calculus) lead to a breakthrough.

It occurs to me: if you can do effective learning (particularly with some static or dynamic guidance -- e.g., an organized course or tutoring, respectively), then your rate of progress can go way faster than exponential growth. Mb this is b/c *the benefit you get from learning is not based on your previous performance, it's based on the significance/reach/universality of the new ideas*.


I agree with the rest of your post, too, but didn't feel there was a need to quote or discuss other points -- the above was enough.


> I think it’s misleading and *understates the value of learning*.

I think I agreed with this after I read your post (before writing this), but, up until I wrote this reply, I didn't realise just how misleading it was and to what extent it understated the value of learning.]]>
Mon, 05 Apr 2021 03:04:30 +0000
curi Max Microblogging Mon, 05 Apr 2021 01:06:01 +0000 curi curi's Microblogging
Being good at stuff has lots of advantages re getting along with people. You can avoid lots of misunderstandings or petty fights.

And if you're more self-sufficient, independent and successful, you're in a better position not to ask much of people, not to pressure them, and even to be generous with them. If you're independently happy, and not reliant on controlling other people around you to try to make reality more to your liking, it's easier to have good relationships with people.

Lots of trouble with friends happens due to being needy, emotional, memey or insecure. But if your life is going great, then their imperfections shouldn't threaten or scare you. And if you're more confident, then you can avoid getting defensive when people judge you negatively, dislike something about you, disagree with you, etc.

If you develop some really intellectual interests that your friends and relatives don't have, and you're desperately lonely, that can lead to a lot of trouble because you want your friends and relatives to be something they're not and solve your loneliness problem. But if your intellectual interests are satisfied elsewhere, then it doesn't need to be a source of conflict with your friends and relatives.

It also helps to respect other people as independent entities with their own lives. And to internalize fallibilism and that disagreements are part of life and good ways to dealing with disagreement. In general, the fights between "rational" people and their families are more about the "rational" person being intolerant of disagreement than about the more conventional, normal people being intolerant. That's an avoidable error.

As with all progress, some things get easier but you'll also run into new, solvable problems.]]>
Sun, 04 Apr 2021 22:10:10 +0000
curi curi's Microblogging Sun, 04 Apr 2021 21:32:45 +0000 curi curi's Microblogging
> How do guys deal with the fact that a lot of people one cares about are hopeless?

Having high confidence that you and someone *are not equals* (and you're superior) is generally bad for having a personal relationship with them.

Keeping in mind **relevance** helps. You can be superior *as a scientist* and still get along with your family. It's fine if people have specialties. And you can hang out and watch TV with your e.g. brother without him needing to learn the science stuff that you know. And meanwhile you don't know as much about his career, e.g. being an electrician or makeup artist.

Logic and rationality can be (approximately) separated from morality. If you don't think you're significantly morally superior, and they know you don't, it helps give them something. People don't like being worse or outclassed at everything.

If you're better than people at reasoning, you're still typically going to lose the majority of arguments with them about their specialities, e.g. their profession. Their greater experience with the topic can more than make up for your skill advantage.

If you got such a huge lead at reasoning that you were outclassing people at their own profession, despite having little experience at it, that's harder to deal with. Hopefully by that point, they'd respect you and be proud of you, which could make it OK. That'd be easier for them if you had public recognition like awards and millions of fans. Whereas if you think you're way way way smarter than them but the world in general disagrees, then it's harder for them to accept and be OK with your apparent arrogance.]]>
Sun, 04 Apr 2021 21:24:05 +0000
curi curi's Microblogging
i suspect around (very roughly) age 2 is when people give up on the world making sense and lower their standards of knowledge. they start putting up with confusion and not knowing if they're right or not. that becomes normal. why? because their parents and other ppl boss them around. and the issue isn't mainly that they are told what to do (not free, not in control of their lives) but that the orders are confusing. parents demand little kids do stuff but then the kid doesn't understand what the parent said and wants. so the kid asks clarifying questions. hundreds of them. but parents don't like to answer those so the kid eventually gives up and tries to act on orders/requests/expectations that he doesn't understand.]]>
Sun, 04 Apr 2021 20:13:36 +0000
Anonymous Induction and AZ Vax Blood Clots Sun, 04 Apr 2021 17:04:20 +0000 DD's first response to my BoI comments, in 2004 curi Was David Deutsch Using Me to Help with BoI? Subject: Re: reach explanation comments - round 1
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 21:41:54 +0000
To: Elliot Temple

This is *extremely helpful*. Thank you. The more the better.

(Almost every comment you made will result in an improvement, and that's not counting the great value of your overall take on the chapter, as expressed cumulatively and inexplicitly in your comments.)

-- David]]>
Sun, 04 Apr 2021 16:55:57 +0000
Anonymous Analyzing BoI Videos Sun, 04 Apr 2021 12:56:53 +0000 Alisa Making Idea Trees Sun, 04 Apr 2021 04:56:48 +0000 Anonymous Was David Deutsch Using Me to Help with BoI? Sat, 03 Apr 2021 19:19:08 +0000 curi Alan Discussion

Note especially in the middle:

> In this case, correlation IS causation and we can say the inputs CAUSE the outputs.]]>
Sat, 03 Apr 2021 18:34:44 +0000
Anonymous Open Discussion (2021) Sat, 03 Apr 2021 16:30:46 +0000 Anne B Open Discussion (2021)
I don't know if you asked why I added the word because

1) you have an idea about why I added the word and you want to start a conversation about it

or 2) you want to remind me that asking yourself why you made a mistake is generally a good idea.]]>
Sat, 03 Apr 2021 12:02:34 +0000
Anne B Open Discussion (2021)
I think what I meant to say is: It's common to use stuff for 10 years and not understand how it works as much as you think you do or as much as you think you should.

I don't know why I added that word. What do you think? Maybe it was both not reading carefully enough and not writing what I was thinking carefully enough.]]>
Sat, 03 Apr 2021 11:18:09 +0000
Anonymous Open Discussion (2021)
> Even in areas where people are not constantly inventing new things to know, it’s common to use stuff for 10 years and not fully understand how it works.

AFAICT, no one was talking about "fully" understanding things. Why did you add that word?]]>
Sat, 03 Apr 2021 03:26:47 +0000
curi Analyzing BoI Videos]]>
Sat, 03 Apr 2021 02:36:41 +0000
Anne B Open Discussion (2021) >
> Good point about how we're always inventing new things to know, so you can't know everything (at least, not in detail).

Even in areas where people are not constantly inventing new things to know, it’s common to use stuff for 10 years and not fully understand how it works. It’s normal and we shouldn’t feel bad about it. Not feeling bad about it can allow us to see the truth of the situation and then improve our understanding.]]>
Fri, 02 Apr 2021 13:26:23 +0000
Good blog post about learning how things work Anonymous Open Discussion (2021)
Julia Evans, [Get better at programming by learning how things work]( (emphasis in original):

> ... in this blog post, I want to talk about a different way to get better at programming: learning how the systems you’re using work!

The post then gives a good examples of things that a programmer could learn, including "how flexbox works" and "how numbers are represented in binary".

> When I’m programming and I’m missing a key concept about how something works, it doesn’t always show up in an obvious way. What will happen is:

> - I’ll have bugs in my programs because of an incorrect mental model
> - I’ll struggle to fix those bugs quickly and I won’t be able to find the right questions to ask to diagnose them
> - I feel really frustrated

Good list of signs that you're missing a key concept.

> I think it’s actually an important skill **just to be able to recognize that this is happening**: I’ve slowly learned to recognize the feeling of “wait, I’m really confused, I think there’s something I don’t understand about how this system works, what is it?”

> It can feel bad to realise that you really don’t understand how a system you’ve been using works when you have 10 years of experience (“ugh, shouldn’t I know this already? I’ve been using this for so long!“), but it’s normal! There’s a lot to know about computers and we are constantly inventing new things to know, so nobody can keep up with every single thing.

Good point about how we're always inventing new things to know, so you can't know everything (at least, not in detail).

> Learning how things work doesn’t need to be a big huge thing. For example, I used to not really know how floating point numbers worked, and I felt nervous that something weird would happen that I didn’t understand.
> And then one day in 2013 I went to a talk by Stefan Karpinski explaining how floating point numbers worked (containing roughly the information in [this comic](, but with more weird details). And now I feel totally confident using floating point numbers! I know what their basic limitations are, and when not to use them (to represent integers larger than 2^53). And I know what I *don’t* know – I know it’s hard to write numerically stable linear algebra algorithms and I have no idea how to do that.

Good point about how becoming more familiar with something involves knowing what you don't know.

> connect new facts to information you already know
> When learning a new fact, it’s easy to be able to recite a sentence like “ok, there are 8 bits in a byte”. That’s true, but so what? What’s harder (and much more useful!) is to be able to connect that information to what you already know about programming.

> The important thing here is to ask the questions and explore the connections that **you’re** curious about – maybe you’re not so interested in how the strings are represented in memory, but you really want to know how many bytes a heart emoji is in Unicode! Or maybe you want to learn about how floating point numbers work!
> I find that when I connect new facts to things I’m already familiar with (like emoji or floating point numbers or strings), then the information sticks a lot better.

This idea of exploring connections reminds me of what Ayn Rand said about "chewing" ideas.

> how to get information: ask yes/no questions
> When I’m talking to someone who knows more about the concept than me, I find it helps to start by asking really simple questions, where the answer is just “yes” or “no”. I’ve written about yes/no questions before in [how to ask good questions](, but I love it a lot so let’s talk about it again!
> I do this because it forces me to articulate exactly what my current mental model is, and because I think yes/no questions are often easier for the person I’m asking to answer.

The post then goes on to give examples of yes/no questions.

> When I ask very open-ended questions like “how does X work?”, I find that it often goes wrong in one of 2 ways:
> - The person starts telling me a bunch of things that I already knew
> - The person starts telling me a bunch of things that I don’t know, but which aren’t really what I was interested in understanding
> Both of these are frustrating, but of course neither of these things are their fault! They can’t know exactly what information I wanted about X, because I didn’t tell them. But it still always feels bad to have to interrupt someone with “oh no, sorry, that’s not what I wanted to know at all!”
> I love yes/no questions because, even though they’re harder to formulate, I’m WAY more likely to get the exact answers I want and less likely to waste the time of the person I’m asking by having them explain a bunch of things that I’m not interested in.

More pro-yes/no thinking.

> asking yes/no questions isn’t always easy [...] Asking this kind of really specific question (even though it’s more effective!) puts you in a more vulnerable position than asking a broader question, because sometimes you have to reveal specific things that you were totally wrong about!

Great point.]]>
Fri, 02 Apr 2021 01:01:33 +0000
Anonymous Deplatforming and Fraud
> YouTube has demonetized and locked conservative commentator Steven Crowder’s account for allegedly violating the platform’s community guidelines.

> YouTube blocked Crowder from uploading new content to his channel for one week and pulled one of his videos that the platform said violated its rules against spreading misinformation about the 2020 election. YouTube also booted Crowder from its YouTube Partner Program, which allows creators to run ads on videos and turn a profit, indefinitely.]]>
Thu, 01 Apr 2021 23:12:48 +0000
curi David Deutsch's Responsibility for Harassment Wed, 31 Mar 2021 20:07:07 +0000 Max Max Microblogging
> Explicit analysis and error correction of the pretty-good stuff removes the cap on progress.

I guess that ppl think that, b/c they're good at something, whatever specific limits they have are like ~universal among all other comparable ppl. Like they're at a "hard cap" rather than a soft one. A problem that comes out of this is that a ubiquitous soft cap is difficult to tell apart from a hard cap -- if ppl don't have the philosophy skill to tell the diff then they're self-limiting.]]>
Wed, 31 Mar 2021 09:55:15 +0000
learning strats - addendum/errata Max Max Microblogging
> most ppl can get twice as better at most things in less than 2 years.

That's provided they have the philosophical knowledge about learning to do so. That's the major constraint for most ppl. But I don't think those ideas are necessarily that hard to learn. I should have made this bit more clear, tho.

One reason I didn't say it as explicitly in the prev post is that I think this stuff is included in "the organizational quality of the learning material", like good learning material will also have good knowledge about learning that it teaches you beforehand or along the way.

That's a bit contradictory to what I say at the end tho: "One of the benefits of doing philosophy ...". The contradiction is b/c I say this helpful skill is helpful as an afterthought, but don't mention it when it's more important -- earlier in the text. It's a contradiction because that sort of bad oraganization is probs not good to have in a mini-essay about the importance of quality organization.]]>
Wed, 31 Mar 2021 09:50:09 +0000
learning strats Max Max Microblogging
What's the return on learning?

Let's say that you devote 1/2 of your working life on self-improvement. Or that your employer lets you devote 1/2 your working hours to self-improvement in a business-focused direction.

How long does it take for you to hit Return On Investment (ROI)? If you're spending 1/2 your hours on learning, then the point you reach ROI is when you get more than twice as good at your job (or your hobby, or whatever).

Say that: if you are good at learning, you get 1% better at doing your job per day. I think that's actually achievable for context-specific things (i.e. right person + right ideas + right subject matter). Well, your productivity "principle" is 1, and the "compounding interest" that you get from learning is 0.01 and the period is `d`. So `(1 + 0.01)^d > 2` is our ROI point. That means `d > ln(2)/ln(1.01)` which means, approx `d > 69.7`. *70 days* is the ROI point.

Is that practical in general? probs not. What about an improvement of 0.1% per day? That leads to `d > 693.5`, so like ~2 years. I think the 'real', general, maximum rate of improvement is between 1% and 0.1% for most ppl WRT most things, i.e., most ppl can get twice as better at most things in less than 2 years. There's definitely a period of high getting-better growth for completely new subject matters, tho.

Is there going to be a major factor in someone's growth rate? Yes. It will be, provided they're willing and motivated to learn, *the organizational quality of the learning material*. Organization of materials covers *which things in what order with what other context?* That *must* be the major factor because, provided someone is willing and motivated, the order and quality of ideas that they're introduced to is directly related to their learning progress. How could it be otherwise? If order and quality were not decisive factors, then the order of learning materials wouldn't be that significant (contradicted by structural epistemology) and/or the quality of materials wouldn't be that significant (contradicted by error-rate and overreaching). Note that *organizational quality* necessarily includes both order and content.

Mb a good time to mention: there is some excess capacity in the order of learning material; that's good because it allows for chewing and higher-quality self-judgements about one's learning. There's also some excess capacity in the quality of learning material; it only needs to be good enough to meet major breakpoints in the quality of the student's understanding. The student can't learn ideas perfectly, but provided they avoid major structural issues w/ what they do learn, then the student will have enough excess capacity in what they have learned to do useful work. They can also improve their ideas later without the overhead of bad structure. Humility helps here -- if they think their knowledge has too much reach then that can inhibit future learning.

So, one's ROI on learning is heavily dependent on the organizational quality of learning material. Material that meets major breakpoints (i.e., doesn't introduce major structural issues) is worth seeking. Material that is well written and easy to understand is worth seeking.

**Seek organized learning material. Follow through.**

One of the benefits of doing philosophy is that the skills you develop help you to mix and refine multiple sources. If there is a simplistic but accessible source of info, and a high quality but badly-written source of info, then being able to consume both quickly and efficiently with minimal errors is *profitable*. Not every subject has easy-to-find material that's high quality in both regards, so this skill matters.]]>
Wed, 31 Mar 2021 09:40:01 +0000
Anonymous David Deutsch Lied About Me Wed, 31 Mar 2021 09:31:32 +0000 curi curi's Microblogging
i cannot, however, do major things for the sake of others and then keep doing them without feedback. e.g. scripting the videos would be really different than what i'd do if no other people existed, so that doesn't work for me without substantial rewards.]]>
Wed, 31 Mar 2021 01:18:31 +0000
curi curi's Microblogging
Wed, 31 Mar 2021 01:16:41 +0000
curi Discussion About Inferential Distance
it's not necessary. there are many ways to approach CR. math is useful to a bunch of ways but not all. but i think doing CR without e.g. arithmetic is unrealistic and generally there isn't a good reason to try. IMO knowing some algebra (e.g. understanding variables) is a big help too.

for CR, mastery over basic math is generally more useful than advanced math

IME, people rarely understand topics like number bases, ratios or algebra equations as well as they think

> If I remember correctly binary search would require an ordered data set. How do I know which order all of the topics should go between evolution and addition?

if you can't sketch out a reasonable ordering from basic topics to evolution, that (realistically) means there are flaws in your knowledge of evolution. (there isn't one single correct ordering).

here's an example of a connection:

one aspect of evolution is replication. replication makes more of something. that's less understandable to someone who doesn't understand addition. imagine talking about replication with someone who didn't understand how going from one to two of something means one got added. it'd be harder. a good grasp of numbers and counting are even more useful to understanding what a replicator is. imagine someone who couldn't count how many there were before and after replication. They just see it like:

before replication: there are some.

after replication: there are some.

(if they didn't know the difference between some and zero, it'd be even worse.)]]>
Tue, 30 Mar 2021 20:10:52 +0000
CDC extends nationwide eviction moratorium through June Anonymous Open Discussion (2021)
> “The CDC has just announced that it is extending its nationwide eviction moratorium through June,” the National Review [reports]( “The original CDC eviction moratorium from September made it a crime — punishable by up to one year of imprisonment and a fine of up to $250,000 — to evict certain tenants for nonpayment of rent.”

The government didn't enact a moratorium on mortgage payments for affected landlords.

> “No one is asking restaurants and grocery stores to give food out for free, so why are government agencies, with no authority to legislate, asking landlords to provide a service without compensation?” asked Pacific Legal Foundation attorney Ethan Blevins.

Good question.]]>
Tue, 30 Mar 2021 18:58:51 +0000
Anonymous Politics Discussion
> Amazon had sought to place a video camera in the [National Labor Relations Board]’s Birmingham office, where votes will be tabulated, to keep an eye on the ballot boxes in the off hours between counting.... The camera feed would have been accessible by both Amazon and the [Retail, Wholesale and Department Store Union].]]>
Tue, 30 Mar 2021 16:39:21 +0000
Alisa Analyzing BoI Videos Tue, 30 Mar 2021 16:23:38 +0000 Anne B Using Commas
> initially, you had taken an ambiguous clause and interpreted it as being unambiguous: you seemed to think it had only one possible interpretation, when really it could be interpreted in more than one way.
> I think you should take note of this, and look for if you do this anywhere else. I think it might be causing you other difficulties with FI. if you are interpreting things in one way, and believe they unambiguously mean what you interpret them to mean, that could explain some of your difficulties.

Thank you! That's helpful.]]>
Tue, 30 Mar 2021 13:33:16 +0000
Anonymous Analyzing BoI Videos Tue, 30 Mar 2021 11:37:29 +0000 curi Analyzing BoI Videos
Tue, 30 Mar 2021 06:56:15 +0000
S. Emiya Discussion About Inferential Distance
>So what else do you think you can you design your own tests for, pass them, and grade your own work for, with high confidence and objectivity?

I think I could do it for some basic math stuff (the ones you mentioned like number bases, place value, decimals, etc.). I could probably also do it for graphing and solving simple systems of linear or quadratic equations. and maybe a few other topics that I might have to review a little.

How much math knowledge do you think is necessary to learn CR?

I feel that my grammar is decent at best. I wouldn't really know how to effectively check my work. I should probably read this:

Is there a reason you don't force connections to https? Even for basic security concerns like making sure someone didn't modify data in transit, etc.

>A reasonable generic approach is binary search backwards from a point like evolution towards basic stuff like addition. I mention this b/c I think there's a decent chance you already know what binary search is due to profession.

Not really due to profession but I did learn about search algorithms in university. If I remember correctly binary search would require an ordered data set. How do I know which order all of the topics should go between evolution and addition?]]>
Tue, 30 Mar 2021 00:55:44 +0000
Alisa FI Learning Basecamp
> Basecamp Personal: limited, but free ... 20 users...]]>
Tue, 30 Mar 2021 00:40:35 +0000
Alisa Analyzing BoI Videos Tue, 30 Mar 2021 00:37:57 +0000 Andy Dufresne FI Learning Basecamp Tue, 30 Mar 2021 00:29:54 +0000 Justin Mallone Analyzing BoI Videos Mon, 29 Mar 2021 22:46:46 +0000 curi Analyzing BoI Videos

Mon, 29 Mar 2021 22:39:14 +0000
more basecamp advice curi curi's Microblogging
it's better to work your way up by learning smaller, easier things, and then actually start your blog (or substack or whatever) when writing 1000 word articles isn't that hard for you. you can write tweets, write IMs, learn some grammar, read a lot, explain ideas verbally, and lots of other things before doing a 1k word essay, depending on what's easier or appealing or useful to you.]]>
Mon, 29 Mar 2021 19:59:44 +0000
curi Open Discussion (2021) Mon, 29 Mar 2021 19:32:19 +0000 curi Open Discussion (2021)
in this case i read this much including only a few nested comments:

Mon, 29 Mar 2021 19:31:27 +0000
curi Open Discussion (2021) Mon, 29 Mar 2021 19:29:20 +0000 curi Open Discussion (2021)
later i used movable type a bit and then made my own custom blog and imported stuff (i think i basically got everything but the early comments. there were actually some long discussions back then btw.)]]>
Mon, 29 Mar 2021 19:28:10 +0000
curi Open Discussion (2021) Mon, 29 Mar 2021 19:26:35 +0000 curi FI Learning Basecamp Mon, 29 Mar 2021 19:24:18 +0000 curi Analyzing BoI Videos
I also added video thumbnails and tables of contents. I might redo the thumbnails later but this is my first try. (if anyone can do better or make me a good logo or come up with a good logo idea, let me know. logo would be generic, not for the BoI vids).]]>
Mon, 29 Mar 2021 19:17:55 +0000
advice i gave on Basecamp curi curi's Microblogging
for some people, it works better to tie it to events. like every time you have a meal or use the bathroom, that triggers you to think about what you're doing, what your goals are, what you want to be doing in the next few hours, etc., instead of just doing defaults.]]>
Mon, 29 Mar 2021 18:55:54 +0000
curi Do Primarily Easy Things – Increasing The Productivity Of Your Intellectual Labor Vs. Consumption
> First confusion: how can doing easy things help me improve? Here's an example: Adding two numbers is an easy thing to do. If I keep doing that how will I improve?

you do a few easy things successfully. this checks that you aren't over-estimating what's easy for you. then you start doing stuff that's a little bit harder so you're only learning a little at once. it's overwhelming trying to learn lots at once. it's better to do lots of small steps and finish the steps quickly instead of trying to do big, hard slow steps. it's a lot easier to find and correct errors with small steps instead of being like "well i guess there's an error somewhere in the last month of work i did".


> 'Do easy things' is a shorthand for start by doing easy things and increase difficulty slowly.

the things you do should always be easy, ideally including:

- low error rate
- not overwhelming
- not consuming too many resources

low error rate takes into account your goal. if your goal is to try something and see how it goes, then you need a lower error rate at that (you're able to successfully try it out and see how it goes, but you don't have to succeed at the actual thing).

it's more efficient to learn stuff until doing X is cheap/easy/low-errors instead of trying to do X earlier when it'll cost lots of resources, have a high failure risk, maybe make a bunch of different errors at once and get overwhelmed, etc.]]>
Mon, 29 Mar 2021 18:51:38 +0000
Alisa Using Commas
> That’s incorrect, and typically a dishonest belief.

I'm trying to figure out if that comma is correct.

I'll look at the [OWL rules for commas]( The first one is:

> 1. Use commas to separate independent clauses when they are joined by any of these seven coordinating conjunctions: and, but, for, or, nor, so, yet.

"typically a dishonest belief" isn't an independent clause. It has no subject. So rule 1 doesn't apply.

If the sentence were written as follows, its use of commas would be correct according to OWL rule 1 (see above): *That’s incorrect, and it's typically a dishonest belief.*

How about rule 13?

> 13. Don't put a comma between the two verbs or verb phrases in a compound predicate.
> INCORRECT: We laid out our music and snacks, and began to study.
> INCORRECT: I turned the corner, and ran smack into a patrol car.

According to :

> A compound predicate is two or more verbs or verb phrases that share the same subject and are joined by a conjunction.

There aren't two or more verbs or verb phrases in the sentence I quoted at the top. There's only one verb: "is". So this rule doesn't apply.

Let's see if rule 7 applies:

> 7. Use a comma near the end of a sentence to separate contrasted coordinate elements or to indicate a distinct pause or shift.
> He was merely ignorant, not stupid.
> The chimpanzee seemed reflective, almost human.
> You're one of the senator's close friends, aren't you?
> The speaker seemed innocent, even gullible.

The comma in the sentence I quoted at the top is closer to the beginning of the sentence than the end, but "near" is somewhat ambiguous, so maybe it still counts as being near the end of the sentence. Maybe the comma there is meant to indicate a pause or shift. This rule seems like an OK fit.]]>
Mon, 29 Mar 2021 00:52:49 +0000
Anonymous Politics Discussion]]>
Mon, 29 Mar 2021 00:51:43 +0000
commanon Using Commas
From #20269:

> I retract what I said. I agree with you on this now.

> I’m not sure if “actually” modifies “are” or “common” in “confusions are actually common”.

initially, you had taken an ambiguous clause and interpreted it as being unambiguous: you seemed to think it had only one possible interpretation, when really it could be interpreted in more than one way.

I think you should take note of this, and look for if you do this anywhere else. I think it might be causing you other difficulties with FI. if you are interpreting things in one way, and believe they unambiguously mean what you interpret them to mean, that could explain some of your difficulties.

you have interpreted things in negative ways before (e.g., as Elliot pressuring you), or you have interpreted things wrong (e.g., what kinds of activities are being suggested), and haven't searched for alternative explanations or interpretations. if you are in the habit of thinking that your interpretations are clearly right and the statements you are interpreting are unambiguous, that could be one of the issues.]]>
Sun, 28 Mar 2021 19:24:45 +0000
curi curi's Microblogging
And this is partly related to how inconsistent people are at e.g. doing math. You can give someone the same math problem on two different days and get two different answers if he doesn't remember working on it before. Sometimes people approach the same math problem with a significantly different method. This can happen when their math skills are about the same (haven't learned or forgotten much since last time).

Part of mastery of a subject to enable building other stuff on top of that skill is getting to the point you're pretty consistent. If it's a 50% chance you judge something good, and 50% you judge it's bad, then your judgment is not developed yet. If it's 90/10 you still aren't done learning about it. That's still rather inconsistent.]]>
Sun, 28 Mar 2021 17:37:31 +0000
Anonymous Politics Discussion
read the whole thing]]>
Sun, 28 Mar 2021 17:35:07 +0000
curi curi's Microblogging

> Researchers make hundreds of decisions about data collection, preparation, and analysis in their research. We use a many‐analysts approach to measure the extent and impact of these decisions. Two published causal empirical results are replicated by seven replicators each. We find large differences in data preparation and analysis decisions, many of which would not likely be reported in a publication. No two replicators reported the same sample size. Statistical significance varied across replications, and for one of the studies the effect's sign varied as well. The standard deviation of estimates across replications was 3–4 times the mean reported standard error.]]>
Sun, 28 Mar 2021 17:26:57 +0000
Anne B Using Commas
I agree with you that

> "confusions are actually common" could also mean that confusions are actually *common*, as opposed to being *uncommon*.

but I don't know which word "actually" modifies.]]>
Sun, 28 Mar 2021 09:09:21 +0000
commanon Using Commas
> I’m not sure if “actually” modifies “are” or “common” in “confusions are actually common”.]]>
Sun, 28 Mar 2021 07:29:03 +0000
Anonymous Open Discussion (2021)
> You’ll be meeting with the [factory] manager who’s probably the owner, but they call themselves managers...]]>
Sun, 28 Mar 2021 01:32:29 +0000
Anonymous Achieving Mastery When Learning, Plus Followups
> In 1967 I took an introductory course in photography. Most of the students (including me) came into that course hoping to learn how to be creative—to take pictures like the ones I admired by artists such as Edward Weston. On the first day the teacher patiently explained the long list of technical skills that he was going to teach us during the term. A key was Ansel Adams’ “Zone System” for previsualizing the print values (blackness in the final print) in a photograph and how they derive from the light intensities in the scene. In support of this skill we had to learn the use of exposure meters to measure light intensities and the use of exposure time and development time to control the black level and the contrast in the image. This is in turn supported by even lower level skills such as loading film, developing and printing, and mixing chemicals. *One must learn to ritualize the process of developing sensitive material so that one gets consistent results over many years of work.* The first laboratory session was devoted to finding out that developer feels slippery and that fixer smells awful.

> But what about creative composition? *In order to be creative one must first gain control of the medium. One can not even begin to think about organizing a great photograph without having the skills to make it happen.* In engineering, as in other creative arts, we must learn to do analysis to support our efforts in synthesis. One cannot build a beautiful and functional bridge without a knowledge of steel and dirt and considerable mathematical technique for using this knowledge to compute the properties of structures. Similarly, one cannot build a beautiful computer system without a deep understanding of how to “previsualize” the process generated by the procedures one writes.]]>
Sat, 27 Mar 2021 17:16:12 +0000
Anon from #96 Open Discussion (2021) Sat, 27 Mar 2021 02:35:28 +0000 Anonymous Open Discussion (2021)
Every Costco I've been in bags (boxes/puts in cart) your groceries for you, unless you use self-checkout which is a newer option for the minority of checkout lanes.]]>
Fri, 26 Mar 2021 01:53:56 +0000
Anonymous Open Discussion (2021)
> Aldi only stocks around 1,400 items — compared to around 40,000 at traditional supermarkets and more than 100,000 at Walmart supercenters.

Limiting selection is a way to keep costs down. Costco does this too. As long as what's there is good, it works.

> A Walmart supercenter averages around 178,000 square feet. Costco warehouses average around 145,000 square feet. Aldi’s small box stores, however, take up just a fraction of that space, at 12,000 square feet on average.

Small store size seems like a key way to keep costs down. Rent is a big cost.

> a single Aldi might have only three to five employees in the store at any given time, and only 15 to 20 on the entire payroll.

15-20 employees on the payroll for an entire store! That's got to be a lot less than Costco or Walmart.

> unlike other stores, where there’s a clear division of labor — runners retrieve carts, cashiers ring up customers and clerks stock shelves — Aldi employees are cross-trained to perform every function.

Interesting @ cross-training.

> at checkout, cashiers hurry shoppers away, expecting them to bag their own groceries in a separate location away from the cash register.

Having customers bag their own groceries is another cost saver. Costco does this too.

> Costco’s Kirkland Signature, for example, raked in nearly $40 billion last year, an 11% increase from 2017. Kirkland’s sales last year beat out Campbell Soup, Kellogg and Hershey put together.

Tha's a lot of sales for Kirkland.]]>
Fri, 26 Mar 2021 01:51:47 +0000
Anonymous Open Discussion (2021) Fri, 26 Mar 2021 00:55:48 +0000 Anne B Using Commas
>> It's a different meaning than saying "... but confusions are actually common", which would mean more like confusions are actually common rather than being theoretically common.

> "confusions are actually common" could also mean that confusions are actually *common*, as opposed to being *uncommon*.

I retract what I said. I agree with you on this now.

I’m not sure if “actually” modifies “are” or “common” in “confusions are actually common”.]]>
Thu, 25 Mar 2021 23:11:42 +0000
Anne B Using Commas
I think that whether there’s a comma in this sentence after the “actually” is the same as whether there’s a comma in the sentence “Actually confusions are common.” because “actually confusions are common” is an independent clause.

I searched for “do you need a comma after actually”.

The [Quora link]( has five different answers:
1. The one I posted. Shows a comma after an introductory “actually”.
2. Doesn’t address an introductory “actually”.
3. Doesn’t address an introductory “actually”.
4. Shows a comma after an introductory “actually”.
5. Doesn’t address an introductory “actually”.

> A sentence adverb—used to express the narrator or viewpoint character’s attitude toward the sentiment conveyed by the sentence—is separated from the rest of the sentence with a comma.
> Because not every adverb at the beginning of a sentence is a sentence adverb, not every adverb at the beginning of a sentence requires a comma.

One of their examples of a sentence adverb:

> Regrettably, the whole affair was nothing like I expected and yet everything I feared.

Their example of an adverb at the beginning of a sentence that is not a sentence adverb:

> Suddenly she took off after the dog, but Jimmy continued his lecture.

Is “actually” a sentence adverb in “actually confusions are common”? It doesn’t really express the narrator’s attitude, so I think it is not a sentence adverb.

Further down on the page they talk about transitional words and phrases.

> Transitional words and phrases at the beginnings of sentences move us from one thought, one sentence, to the next. Many are conjunctive adverbs. Transitional words and phrases are almost always followed by commas, but there are exceptions. Let’s look at a few categories of transitional words (there are others).
> contrast—despite, on the contrary, on the other hand, still
> cause and effect—therefore, thus, so
> restatement or clarification—in other words, again
> time—now, then, later, today, tomorrow, yesterday, afterward
> example—that is, for example, specifically
> intensification—of course, indeed, in fact, undoubtedly
> While commas follow most of these transitions, you can skip the commas with single-word adverbs of time.

“actually” is a single word but it’s not an adverb of time. It’s in the “contrast” category.

> ~  Transition words such as therefore and indeed are often followed by commas, but they don’t have to be. The trend is toward a more light-handed use of commas. If meaning is clear and readers couldn’t possibly misread, consider dropping commas from single-word transitions (and even a few multiword transitions).

and later

> For many short introductory elements, you can omit the comma if the meaning is clear.

“actually” could fall in this category. It’s a single-word transition word and in this case the meaning is clear. So the comma could be skipped.

This page doesn’t use “actually” as an example. But it does use it in the course of writing:

> Actually, most of the time you can skip the comma after an opening coordinating conjunction.

> 2. Use commas after introductory a) clauses, b) phrases, or c) words that come before the main clause.
> c. Common introductory words that should be followed by a comma include yes, however, well.
> Well, perhaps he meant no harm.
> Yes, the package should arrive tomorrow morning.
> However, you may not be satisfied with the results.

It doesn’t say whether “actually” is included here.

> Comma After Introductory Phrase
> When an adverbial phrase begins a sentence, it’s often followed by a comma but it doesn’t have to be, especially if it’s short. As a rule of thumb, if the phrase is longer than about four words, use the comma. You can also use a comma with a shorter phrase when you want to emphasize it or add a pause for literary effect.

> After the show, Cleo will be signing autographs. Behind the building there is enough space to park two limousines. Without knowing why, I crossed the room and looked out the window. In 1816 life was very different. Suddenly, an angry black cat sprang from the shadows.

They put a comma after “Suddenly” in the last sentence, but according to their rule it’s not necessary.

Big picture: Some people think it’s optional to have a comma in “actually confusions are common”, some lean towards not having it, and some think it’s necessary. After this research, I’m comfortable with the original sentence as is, and I’d also be comfortable if it had a comma after “actually”.

Lesson to me: Be more open to having my intuitions be wrong when I’m researching them.]]>
Thu, 25 Mar 2021 23:10:58 +0000
curi curi's Microblogging]]>
Thu, 25 Mar 2021 19:20:30 +0000
Anne B Using Commas
This is a good point. I remember looking at 3-4 sources. But I don't think I looked at them very carefully. I didn't take seriously enough that I could be wrong.

I'll do some more research and address the grammar separately.]]>
Thu, 25 Mar 2021 15:34:03 +0000
Anonymous Harassment Summary Thu, 25 Mar 2021 10:43:47 +0000 Anonymous David Deutsch Lied About Me Thu, 25 Mar 2021 09:12:58 +0000 Anonymous David Deutsch Lied About Me
I think that the "the" is a typo.]]>
Thu, 25 Mar 2021 08:59:54 +0000
Anonymous David Deutsch Lied About Me
Justin never mentioned DDoS in his email to David. The first article Justin linked in his emala has no mention of "dos" when I CTRL+F the page. The second article mentions "dos" in the fourth comment

maybe someone sent aan email to David that mentioned DDoS]]>
Thu, 25 Mar 2021 08:48:26 +0000
commanon Using Commas
I disagree. I think a comma there is optional but unnecessary.

> "actually* is a modifier for the whole clause "confusions are common". It shows that this clause contradicts the previous clause.

"actually" is not needed for that purpose. The "but" shows that the second clause contradicts the first.

> It's a different meaning than saying "... but confusions are actually common", which would mean more like confusions are actually common rather than being theoretically common.

"confusions are actually common" could also mean that confusions are actually *common*, as opposed to being *uncommon*.

> The first answer on this page applies: .

how did you pick that source? did you look at multiple sources. or did you just look for one that agreed with you? I am asking because it is easy to find sources saying the comma is unnecessary. If you didn't find any, you should consider if you were searching in a biased way.]]>
Thu, 25 Mar 2021 06:33:33 +0000
Alisa Using Commas Thu, 25 Mar 2021 03:26:40 +0000 curi New Community Website Project Wed, 24 Mar 2021 22:24:23 +0000 Anonymous Andy B Harassment and Four Strands Wed, 24 Mar 2021 21:32:40 +0000 curi David Deutsch's Responsibility for Harassment
There was also a #15, from another IP, which I removed, which consisted of profanity directed at #14 but was probably written by the same person as #14. I think it was trying to make my supporters look bad or just to troll in a confusing way (by allegedly being on my side).]]>
Wed, 24 Mar 2021 21:03:55 +0000
Scott Volk David Deutsch's Responsibility for Harassment
You are no fucking victim! You are just a paranoid psycho with BS conspiracy theories.]]>
Wed, 24 Mar 2021 20:08:30 +0000
Anonymous David Deutsch's Responsibility for Harassment
You're publicly attacking a victim without acknowledging in any way that they are a victim or showing the slightest sympathy regarding the multiple crimes ongoing over multiple years.

You also have not disputed any fact, nor given any argument about which step in curi's reasoning is false.

You also say to reframe if true, but have provided no specifics about what sort of reframing you suggest. That is not actionable advice. You say don't present like "this" without saying what "this" is or what you think would be better.]]>
Wed, 24 Mar 2021 18:15:42 +0000
I agree with David Scott Volk David Deutsch's Responsibility for Harassment
I don't know much about you or your history, I'm just giving you an honest impression as your fan.

I have a lot of intelligent friends who suffer from paranoia, it's hard to know what to do while in this state of mind. So use a trusted friend, and have them help you calibrate your reality-filter. I what you are saying is true, work with them to reframe your writing so that it doesn't present like this.]]>
Wed, 24 Mar 2021 17:55:58 +0000
Anonymous Max Microblogging Wed, 24 Mar 2021 17:46:59 +0000 Max Max Microblogging
Rereading, the way I put the first two sentences is misleading. I said:

> I think I just realised something.
> I've changed my attitude a bit since mid-feb (in the right direction but not really going past any major breakpoints).

That makes it sound like the thing I just realized was something I did in February.

That's not the case; the second sentences was meant to be like bg context but I didn't fix the placement in editing. I meant to include it, but to find a good way to integrate it as bg context.]]>
Wed, 24 Mar 2021 12:59:05 +0000
Mb some progress on my learning conflict stuff Max Max Microblogging
>> I ~never look at solns for coding or maths stuff.

> I think that view is mistaken, and is related to the mistake I am talking about in this post. You value starting from scratch, figuring things out on your own, not building off of existing knowledge. I don't think that is the best way to learn.

I think I just realised something.

I've changed my attitude a bit since mid-feb (in the right direction but not really going past any major breakpoints).

I was thinking about project planning, and I noticed that I don't do stuff like explicitly make trees for everything (I do for some things and particularly for hard things).
Mostly I do that in my head, and incompletely -- if I wrote the tree down and did proper brainstorming I'd have a better tree. For lots of stuff it doesn't matter *at the time*. Like I have enough *excess capacity* in my automatic-tree-making that it usually doesn't cause a project to fail. Partly that's b/c I can update it easily and usually there's nothing high stakes enough that missing it is really bad. However, have I *mastered* tree-making? Well, I just said that I haven't: "if I wrote the tree down and did proper brainstorming I'd have a better tree".

Why does this attitude seem okay at the time, but actually isn't? B/c, in effect, I am and have been compromising my self-judgement (when I move on too quickly and also don't keep improving those skills). I end up thinking I have more excess capacity (WRT e.g. planning skills) than I do, but how will I know that before I start a project? Certainly I do have *some* idea of whether I can complete a project, but I still make mistakes, and I'd have a much better estimate if I mastered relevant skills.

It's not that I'm immediately overreaching or doing it consistently, but I *am* consistently *at risk* of overreaching (to diff degrees in diff contexts).

I guess this isn't actually a direct reply to *trying to be helpful*, but I think it's related. I've thought a lot about sources of organization of knowledge recently, and there have been some ~minor changes in my choices b/c of it. One of the reasons this idea is related is that I think it implies that, b/c master is so important, the benefit of using well organized info is increased.]]>
Wed, 24 Mar 2021 11:10:11 +0000
Anonymous Open Discussion (2021)
This is an interesting ~17-minute video about the recent [power outage in Texas]( It explains, at a high level, what the electrical grid is, how it works, what caused it to fail, how the orgnization that manages the power grid tried to cope, and why different sources of power (like wind, nuclear, gas, and more) all failed due to the cold.

One interesting tidbit: The video says that the electrical grid has to maintain the frequency of AC power at very nearly 60 cycles per second. Apparently it takes a high degree of coordination between power plants to make that happen. If a power plant detects that the grid power frequency is at or below 59.4 Hz for more than 9 minutes, it will automatically disconnect from the power grid. Apparently the 59.4 Hz trigger was hit during the Texas power outage, but only for about 4.5 minutes, so no automatic disconnect was triggered. When one power plant shuts down, the other plants have to work even harder to keep the AC power frequency at 60 Hz, which can trigger a cascade of failures. If all the stations in the power grid disconnect, then getting everything going again is called a "black start" and can take weeks or longer.]]>
Wed, 24 Mar 2021 00:11:17 +0000
Anonymous Open Discussion (2021)
> Facebook paid a cybersecurity firm six figures to develop a zero-day in Tails to identify a man who extorted and threatened girls.

> All along, [the criminal] would claim he couldn’t be caught by the police: “You thought the police would find me by now, but they didn’t. they have no clue. The police are useless,” he wrote. “Everyone please pray for the FBI, they are never solving this case lmao … I’m above the law and always will be.”

> [The criminal] used the secure operating system Tails, which runs the anonymizing software Tor and is designed to encrypt and push all of a user's traffic through the network by default, hiding their real IP address from websites or services they use. Using this tool, he contacted and harassed dozens of victims on Facebook for years until 2017, according to court documents.

According to the article, Facebook paid a company to find a previously unpublished security hole in Tails and to write an exploit for it. The exploit was delivered to the criminal's computer by the FBI as part of a video that the criminal solicited. When the exploit ran, it revealed the criminal's IP address to the FBI. He was subsequently arrested and convicted.]]>
Tue, 23 Mar 2021 23:59:33 +0000
Anonymous Open Discussion (2021)
> The New York City Department of Corrections spent $447,337 per inmate in fiscal 2020...

> "The cost to incarcerate a single individual on Rikers has exploded even as our jail population remains near historic lows ... ” [New York City Comptroller Scott ] Stringer said in a statement...

I wonder if the low prison population contributes to the high cost per inmate. Maybe there are economies of scale involved in running a prison that they aren't taking as much advantage of with so few prisoners.]]>
Tue, 23 Mar 2021 23:49:18 +0000
curi curi's Microblogging
>> While we found no fair lending violations, our inquiry stands as a reminder of disparities in access to credit that continue nearly 50 years after the passage of the Equal Credit Opportunity Act. This is one part of a broader discussion we must have about equal credit access.

She's saying: Our wild goose chase (that wasted millions of taxpayer dollars) should remind us all that the thing we couldn't find is a continuing problem.]]>
Tue, 23 Mar 2021 17:31:06 +0000
Anne B Using Commas
I think there should be a comma after actually.

"actually* is a modifier for the whole clause "confusions are common". It shows that this clause contradicts the previous clause. It's a different meaning than saying "... but confusions are actually common", which would mean more like confusions are actually common rather than being theoretically common.

The first answer on this page applies: .]]>
Tue, 23 Mar 2021 13:17:36 +0000
Anonymous Using Commas
those are subordinating conjunctions]]>
Tue, 23 Mar 2021 03:35:43 +0000
Alisa Using Commas
> a. Common starter words for introductory clauses that should be followed by a comma include *after*, *although*, *as*, *because*, *if*, *since*, *when*, *while*.]]>
Tue, 23 Mar 2021 00:19:44 +0000
Alisa Using Commas
> People commonly assume that lying is a simple topic and that they understand it, but actually confusions are common.

I was trying to figure out if there should be a comma after "actually". If "actually" functions as an adverb (modifying "are"), then there should be no comma. In that case, the final clause would mean the same thing as "confusions are actually common". If "actually" functions as an introductory phrase, then it *should* be followed by a comma, according to [OWL's 2nd rule of comma usage]( (emphasis in original):

> 2. Use commas after introductory a) clauses, b) phrases, or c) words that come before the main clause.
> a. Common starter words for introductory clauses that should be followed by a comma include after, although, as, because, if, since, when, while.
> **While** I was eating, the cat scratched at the door.
> **Because** her alarm clock was broken, she was late for class.
> **If** you are ill, you ought to see a doctor.
> **When** the snow stops falling, we'll shovel the driveway.

> c. Common introductory words that should be followed by a comma include *yes*, *however*, *well*.
> **Well**, perhaps he meant no harm.
> **Yes**, the package should arrive tomorrow morning.
> **However**, you may not be satisfied with the results.

The OWL comma rules don't have an example with "actually", but it seems like the usage of "actually" in the sentence at the top of this post could be the same kind of thing as their rule 2(a) and 2(c).]]>
Tue, 23 Mar 2021 00:16:19 +0000
curi Praise from David Deutsch Mon, 22 Mar 2021 07:21:18 +0000 curi Praise from David Deutsch
18:07:28 oxfordphysicist: Reading Feynman and asking me to clear up snags and misconceptions is a really good plan!
18:07:53 oxfordphysicist: (Not everyone could follow that plan, and I'm not about to invite them to!)]]>
Mon, 22 Mar 2021 06:26:39 +0000
curi Praise from David Deutsch
> The way you're thinking about the Feynman lectures is very good. Just right, if I may say so.]]>
Mon, 22 Mar 2021 06:24:47 +0000
Anonymous Open Discussion (2021)
> We have yet to find any credible evidence of anti-Asian hatred or bigotry in [the suspect's] history. Maybe we will. We can’t rule it out. But we do know that his roommates say they once asked him if he picked the spas for sex because the women were Asian. And they say he denied it, saying he thought those spas were just the safest way to have quick sex. That needs to be checked out more. But the only piece of evidence about possible anti-Asian bias points away, not toward it.
> And yet. Well, you know what’s coming. Accompanying one original piece on the known facts, the NYT [ran]( [nine]( — [nine](! — [separate]( [stories]( [about]( [the]( [incident]( [as]( [part]( of the narrative that this was an anti-Asian hate crime, fueled by white supremacy and/or misogyny. Not to be outdone, the WaPo [ran]( [sixteen]( [separate]( [stories]( [on]( [the]( [incident]( [as]( [an]( [anti]([Asian]( [white]( [supremacist]( [hate]( [crime]( [Sixteen](! One story for the facts; sixteen stories on how critical race theory would interpret the event regardless of the facts. For good measure, one of their columnists [denounced]( reporting of law enforcement’s version of events in the newspaper, because it distracted attention from the “real” motives. Today, the NYT ran yet another full-on [critical theory piece]( disguised as news on how these murders are proof of structural racism and sexism — because some activists say they are.]]>
Mon, 22 Mar 2021 03:04:21 +0000
Anonymous Open Discussion (2021)
> The full video shows that [police captain] Jay Baker was paraphrasing what Robert Aaron Long told investigators about his motivations.

The video is linked in the article.]]>
Mon, 22 Mar 2021 02:49:23 +0000
Anonymous Deplatforming and Fraud
> Google "recall newsom", and you won't get a link to the petition site until the second page. In Bing, it's the first result.
> Anyone else with a similar result?

I checked today in an incognito window. On Google, the petition site is now the 4th result (depending on how you count the 3 news articles lined up in the top row): ![Google](

On Bing, the petition site is still the top result: ![Bing](]]>
Mon, 22 Mar 2021 02:42:12 +0000
curi curi's Microblogging]]>
Sun, 21 Mar 2021 20:39:04 +0000
Same Anon as 20233 curi's Microblogging
Another thing that makes it difficult to talk about is that *both* sides are really bad, and that people are so tribalist. If you saying anything disagreeing with the pro-transgender side, you are interpreted as just fully agreeing with the anti-transgender side in a bunch of different ways.

So it's hard to say anything at all. Even if you are really, really careful with your words and only say things that you believe are accurate, people will hear & remember you as having said & agreed with things that you *did not say*.

It's hard to say anything at all without sounding like you are agreeing with & endorsing a bunch of *really really bad* ideas since both sides are so bad, and people will interpret you as agreeing with one of the sides.

This isn't just a problem with the pro/anti transgender debate. This is an ongoing problem with a bunch of stuff.]]>
Sun, 21 Mar 2021 00:55:20 +0000
Anonymous curi's Microblogging
> lots of right wing ppl, like Southern (who tries to present herself as neutral), want to use this as an opportunity for a tribalist rant about how awful gender transitions are.

one of Southern's points is that gender transitions cause irreversible harm/side effects, so just should never be done to minors.

but that doesn't actually take the other side (the pro-gender-transition side) seriously. their argument is that going through the wrong puberty causes irreversible harm/side effects. like, if a transgender man (assigned female at birth) goes through puberty & develops breasts, or if a transgender woman (assigned male at birth) goes through puberty and develops a deep voice and an Adam's apple, then those would both be irreversible harms too (if we assume that the pro-transgender side is right, and that the transgender people really *are* the gender that they believe they are).

the issue can't just be settled by saying we should avoid things that cause irreversible harm, since both courses of action could be causing irreversible harm.]]>
Sun, 21 Mar 2021 00:08:54 +0000
curi curi's Microblogging

> Justice Michael Tammen said the father, known as C.D., has continually breached court orders banning him from revealing the identities of his child, his former wife, and medical professionals engaged in his child’s transgender treatment.

> Tammen said the continued violations undermine confidence in the justice system and that he believes if C.D. were released to await his hearing, he would continue to breach the publication bans and anonymity orders.

Also as is typical with cases like this (or e.g. court orders to send a child to school), it went to court b/c the two parents disagreed with each other and escalated.

Lauren Southern, like many right wing news articles about this, thinks it's all about speech codes, government attacks on freedom, pronouns and the wisdom or folly of gender transitions:

but it looks like it's actually more about how ppl who fight with courts and judges get fukt. that's old news that doesn't depend much on the topic.

lots of right wing ppl, like Southern (who tries to present herself as neutral), want to use this as an opportunity for a tribalist rant about how awful gender transitions are.]]>
Sun, 21 Mar 2021 00:00:05 +0000
Anonymous Andy B Harassment Continues
Sat, 20 Mar 2021 23:52:55 +0000
Alisa Andy B Harassment Continues
> the goal here is to get them to respond to the matter and deescalate things and get a truce]]>
Sat, 20 Mar 2021 23:45:12 +0000
Anonymous Andy B Harassment Continues
> the goal here is to get them to respond to the matter [...]]]>
Sat, 20 Mar 2021 23:42:46 +0000
Alisa Andy B Harassment Continues
> Are you aware that project is done?

No, I wasn't.

> People already emailed DD and DD replied to someone. I announced this (e.g. on FI list and Discord) and thought you saw it and would be able to understand it. My request to email him was withdrawn.

I saw that people emailed DD and that he replied, but I didn't understand from that that the project was done or that your request to email DD was withdrawn. I also read the "fi" and "subscribers" Discord channel logs since March 11 and didn't see anything that I understood as meaning either of those two things.

> You can still email him as your own choice, but I'm not actively requesting it.

Ok. Good to know.]]>
Sat, 20 Mar 2021 23:36:15 +0000
curi New Community Website: Marketing]]>
Sat, 20 Mar 2021 23:29:59 +0000
curi Andy B Harassment Continues
> > plz email DD and ask him to disown andy and request his followers stop harassing me... this is VERY IMPORTANT... please, seriously, send an email.

Are you aware that project is done? People already emailed DD and DD replied to someone. I announced this (e.g. on FI list and Discord) and thought you saw it and would be able to understand it. My request to email him was withdrawn. You can still email him as your own choice, but I'm not actively requesting it.

A good email to DD now would be different than before. Instead of asking for any response at all to the matter, it'd e.g. say what was inadequate about DD's prior response.

> At the time, no one said that was a bad idea or that it was a tangent.

Why did you say this? What do you think it means? What expectations do you have about getting negative replies to your errors here?

PS #20223 wasn't me.]]>
Sat, 20 Mar 2021 19:33:04 +0000
Anonymous Politics Discussion

> "I also think even if something is not a criminal case, a perpetrator being confronted by the city, whether it's NYPD or another agency, and being told that what they've done was very hurtful to another person and could have ever repeated lead to criminal charges, that's another important piece of the puzzle," de Blasio suggested.

> A reporter asked how the NYPD would become involved in noncriminal cases.

> "It's NYPD or could be other agencies as well. But NYPD is a great example. One of the things officers are trained to do is to give warnings. If someone has done something wrong, but not rising to a criminal level, it's perfectly appropriate for an NYPD officer to talk to them, to say that was not appropriate," de Blasio said. "And if you did that on a higher level, that would be a crime."

> "And I think that has an educating impact on people. I think it has a sobering impact that we need. … By the way, if something might be a crime, if it's not 100 percent clear, the NYPD is going to investigate, I assure you, if an NYPD officer who calls you or shows up at your door to ask about something you did that makes people think twice," he continued.]]>
Sat, 20 Mar 2021 19:20:07 +0000
Alisa Andy B Harassment Continues
If you meant that learning and writing about Sadler's work was "focus[ing]" on a tangent, then I disagree. I spent 45 minutes yesterday on the hatred & harassment sub-project of my main project to learn more about the DD/"Andy B" issue, and looking up Sadler's work took only a few minutes of that. I included it in my write-up because I thought some people might find it interesting.

If you meant that learning about hatred was a tangent, then that seems plausible. In #20202, I myself raised the question of whether I could understand whether to write to DD or not without understanding:

> what makes a comment "hateful" and/or about what constitutes "harassing".

My intuition was that I *would* have to understand those things, so (again, in #20202), I proposed a sub-project to learn more about them. At the time, no one said that was a bad idea or that it was a tangent.

You qualified your suggestion with "if the issue is important to you".

The issue was important enough for me to start a project to learn more about it and work on that project for 30+ minutes daily for a week during an unusually busy time for me because curi wrote (in #20161):

> plz email DD and ask him to disown andy and request his followers stop harassing me... this is VERY IMPORTANT... please, seriously, send an email.

Is it, right now, important enough for me to continue doing that? No. But I could learn things that could change my mind.

Elliot said that writing to DD was "VERY IMPORTANT", but how important would it be for someone in my specific situation?]]>
Sat, 20 Mar 2021 15:46:40 +0000
Anonymous Andy B Harassment Continues Sat, 20 Mar 2021 11:17:52 +0000 curi Praise from David Deutsch
> "Nearly all your comments are helpful or very helpful, and some are making the summaries, and hence the book, significantly more comprehensible."

and the quotes about writing an academic paper.]]>
Sat, 20 Mar 2021 07:58:11 +0000
curi curi's Microblogging]]>
Sat, 20 Mar 2021 02:58:54 +0000
Alisa Andy B Harassment Continues
> Hatred is an angry or resentful emotional response to certain people or ideas.

I think the object of anger has to be something that is commonly regarded as sentient, like a person, an animal, or maybe an AI. I searched the web for "angry at my shoes" and the top hits were about dogs, which implies to me that people don't get angry at shoes. I also don't think people would be angry at an idea, such as "capitalism". However, people could *hate* an idea. The object of hatred doesn't have to be sentient. Hatred is more general than anger in that sense.

I searched the web for articles on anger vs hatred. The best one I found is called [Aristotle on Hate And Anger]( (Nov 14, 2018):

> Another interesting difference between these two emotions, at least for Aristotle, is that there is actually more passion involved on the surface in anger, and less exhibited in hatred. As Aristotle mentions in the Politics, while anger and hatred often tend to produce the same kind of actions — hostile, in some way aggressive, damaging — angry people feel pain, are more empassioned, and don’t really think things through. The person who hates can be more calm, reasoned, even calculating. They simply desire that the other — because of who or what they are, what kind of person they have been decided to be — not exist, or that evil befalls them.

The article also says that hatred isn't necessarily bad, at least according to Aristotle, who says that it's virtuous to hate "thieves and informers".

That article was one of the most informative things I found on hatred vs anger, so I looked up the author. His name is Gregory B. Sadler. I found [ReasonIO](, which is one of his sites. It says:

> Greg Sadler and Andi Sciacca founded ReasonIO to *put philosophy into practice*.
> We take resources from complex and often difficult philosophical texts and thinkers, and make them accessible to non-philosophers. We transform ideas into useful tools for application, reflection, decision-making, and action.

The services ReasonIO offers include:

> Philosophical Consulting for Organizations
> Philosophical Counseling and Coaching
> Tutorial Services

Sadler [sells a course on Aristotle's *Nicomachean Ethics* for $170](

I thought Sadler's name sounded vaguely familiar, so I searched Bing for [gregory sadler ayn rand] and found lots of hits, including this video: [Ayn Rand, The Virtue of Selfishness | How Should A Rational Egoist Behave | Philosophy Core Concepts](


Today is March 19, the 7th day of my week-long project to learn more about the "Andy B" harassment issue and how it relates to DD (my first day was March 13). I'm still making progress, but I'm planning to end it. It seems like there's a lot more to learn here and I don't have a good sense for how long it'll take me to learn enough to understand whether I should write to DD. Also, I enjoy my usual FI projects like Super Mario Bros. more.

I started this project because this place is important to me and because I got the impression that writing to DD was important. If people think I'm making a mistake by stopping this project, I'm willing to discuss it further.]]>
Sat, 20 Mar 2021 01:38:19 +0000
Alan Alan Discussion
> Pinker doesn’t make any argument against this possibility. His argument is like claiming that the existence of many obese persons refutes the notion that obesity is bad.]]>
Fri, 19 Mar 2021 22:21:54 +0000
curi curi's Microblogging
I think some of the complaints about Amazon are important and there are real problems there (some other complaints are just anti-capitalism, and the good and bad complaints get mixed together).

I don't think people like Reisman should promote Bezos as a great businessman who earned it all by serving customers. There are issues with that narrative, e.g. that he has friends in high places, including government, and that he's now bought a newspaper that publishes propaganda (that sure isn't pro-capitalist).]]>
Fri, 19 Mar 2021 20:06:57 +0000
curi Alan Discussion
> Pinker doesn’t make any argument against this possibility so this entire line of discussion is on the same intellectual level as claiming that the fact that there are many obese refutes the notion that obesity is a bad idea.

Convoluted sentence and typo (maybe missing word "persons" after "obese").]]>
Fri, 19 Mar 2021 17:36:07 +0000
Alisa Andy B Harassment Continues
> A strong passion or emotion ...

IIRC, Rand says an emotion is kinda like the result of a lightning calculation that sums up your thoughts on a topic. So anger is one of those calculations.

What is a passion, though? [Webster's 1913 says](

> When any feeling or emotion completely masters the mind, we call it a passion; as, a passion for music, dress, etc.; especially is anger (when thus extreme) called passion. The mind, in such cases, is considered as having lost its self- control, and become the passive instrument of the feeling in question.

So a passion is an emotion that is commonly regarded as having taken over your mind. Webster's 1913 said anger is a "strong passion or emotion". It seems like a passion is already a strong emotion, so it would have made more sense to say that anger is *a passion or strong emotion*. But whether or not I'm right about that, I think I get the overall idea. Anger is a strong emotion. We wouldn't use the word for an extremely mild feeling. That would be maybe irritation or annoyance.

Considering a few more words of the Webster's 1913 definition, anger is (emphasis mine):

> A strong passion or emotion *of displeasure or antagonism*...

From skimming the Webster's 1913 definitions of [displease](, [displeasure](, and [antagonism](, I gather that displeasure is sort of the opposite of pleasure and antagonism is sort of like being opposed to something or someone.

Considering a few *more* words of the definition, anger is (emphasis mine):

> A strong passion or emotion of displeasure or antagonism, *excited by a real or supposed injury or insult to one's self or others, or by the intent to do such injury*.

So anger is a response to an actual or intended injury or insult. Injury is a kind of harm, and people routinely treat verbal insults as if they were harmful. There's even a rhyme to remind or persuade children that insults are harmless: *sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never hurt me*. Insults can harm one's social status.

I will think of anger as, roughly, an emotional response to an actual or intended injury. The *intended* part is relevant because if someone plans to hurt me, I may get angry at him, even if he doesn't carry out his plan.

I was also thinking of how parents get mad at their kids. Does that fall under injury and/or insult? Like if the kid stays up later than the parent wants, the parent may get mad. The kid didn't hurt the parent. Is staying up late an insult?

I think it's more like people get mad when people who they think are supposed to obey them don't do as they're told. Or maybe the disobedience is regarded as an insult to the dignity of the person giving the orders.

So anyway, anger is an emotion of strong displeasure and opposition towards one who injures or intends to injure. It seems like, to be angry, you have to believe the person doing the injuring is in the wrong. If you thought the injury was justified, maybe you wouldn't be angry.]]>
Fri, 19 Mar 2021 06:04:26 +0000
curi Disowning Rami Rustom
Fri, 19 Mar 2021 00:16:47 +0000
curi curi's Microblogging Thu, 18 Mar 2021 20:50:18 +0000 curi curi's Microblogging

Canadian man arrested and put in jail for referring to his child as "she" (who was considered female at birth, and who he believes to have female DNA). Consider, for context, that insulting your kids is legal. Parents can do all sorts of very mean stuff and jail wouldn't be considered.

The man was violating a court order saying certain actions would be considered family violence. But the court order controlling his speech is worrying. We live in a society where we don't court order people not to say UFOs exist, and yelling at your children is broadly legal. Parents are broadly legally allowed to indoctrinate their kids with all kinds of awful crap and to be awful.

Children are being selective protected from anti-trans parents, but children get much less protection for other issues, e.g. people are not being put in jail for not accepting their kid as gay and conversion therapy camps still exist (in USA, not sure about in Canada). Parents are allowed a huge amount of control over their children but there's this one weird exception which isn't actually about helping children generally. Courts also support parents who do very invasive, abusive interventions regarding "autism", which is so much worse than the anti-trans intervention of saying rude comments using gendered pronouns. Part of why this guy got in trouble was that the mother was supportive of the gender transition, so it may be more about supporting her against the dad than actually about what the kid wants.

Also, police were sent to a YouTubers home for interviewing the man and then refusing to delete the video.]]>
Thu, 18 Mar 2021 20:36:32 +0000
Alisa Andy B Harassment Continues Thu, 18 Mar 2021 03:26:12 +0000 Alisa Andy B Harassment Continues
The 1st result is [the Wikipedia entry for "hate group"](, which begins:

> A hate group is a social group that ...

What's a "social group"? Wikipedia [defines it]( like this:

> In the social sciences, a social group can be defined as two or more people who interact with one another, share similar characteristics, and collectively have a sense of unity. Other theorists disagree however, and are wary of definitions which stress the importance of interdependence or objective similarity. Instead, researchers within the social identity tradition generally define it as "a group is defined in terms of those who identify themselves as members of the group." Regardless, social groups come in a myriad of sizes and varieties. For example, a society can be viewed as a large social group.

So one definition of a social group is a group of people who:

1. collectively have a sense of unity
2. interact with each other
3. share similar characteristics

Another definition is like the first definition except that it omits characteristics 2 and 3. Ok. I think I get the idea.

Back to the 1st Bing result ([the Wikipedia entry for "hate group"](

> A hate group is a social group that advocates and practices hatred, hostility, or violence towards members of a race, ethnicity, nation, religion, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation or any other designated sector of society.

The categories that a hate group can target seem to align with current left-wing politics and U.S. law, except for the last one: "any other designated sector of society". If I consider the definition without those categories, then a hate group could simply be *a social group that advocates and practices hatred, hostility, or violence towards a group of people*.

Ok. So what's "hatred"? Wikipedia has a [definition](

> Hatred is an angry or resentful emotional response to certain people or ideas.
> Hatred is often associated with feelings of anger, disgust and a disposition towards the source of hostility.

I don't think I understand anger. If someone said I was angry, I doubt that I would be able discuss the matter confidently.

Let's see what [Wikipedia says about "anger"](

> Anger, also known as wrath or rage, is an intense emotional state involving a strong uncomfortable and non-cooperative response to a perceived provocation, hurt or threat.

I didn't realize "wrath" and "rage" were synonyms for anger. Let's look at [the definition of "anger" in Webster's 1913](

> A strong passion or emotion of displeasure or antagonism, excited by a real or supposed injury or insult to one's self or others, or by the intent to do such injury.

> Syn. -- Resentment; wrath; rage; fury; passion; ire gall; choler; indignation; displeasure; vexation; grudge; spleen. -- Anger, Indignation, Resentment, Wrath, Ire, Rage, Fury. Anger is a feeling of keen displeasure (usually with a desire to punish) for what we regard as wrong toward ourselves or others. It may be excessive or misplaced, but is not necessarily criminal. Indignation is a generous outburst of anger in view of things which are indigna, or unworthy to be done, involving what is mean, cruel, flagitious, etc., in character or conduct. Resentment is often a moody feeling, leading one to brood over his supposed personal wrongs with a deep and lasting anger. See Resentment. Wrath and ire (the last poetical) express the feelings of one who is bitterly provoked. Rage is a vehement ebullition of anger; and fury is an excess of rage, amounting almost to madness. Warmth of constitution often gives rise to anger; a high sense of honor creates indignation at crime; a man of quick sensibilities is apt to cherish resentment; the wrath and ire of men are often connected with a haughty and vindictive spirit; rage and fury are distempers of the soul to be regarded only with abhorrence.

There's a lot there. So anger is a kind of *strong passion or emotion*... I'll pick this one up later.

Before I stop for the day, I'll look up some sentences in Atlas Shrugged involving the one of good guys and "hate". Dagny says this:

> "I hate it! I hate the doom you're all waiting for, the giving up, and that senseless question that always sounds like a cry for help. I'm sick of hearing pleas for John Galt. I'm going to fight him."

Dagny thinks the following at the opening of the John Galt Line:

> She felt no anger toward anyone on earth. The things she had endured had now receded into some outer fog, like pain that still exists, but has no power to hurt. Those things could not stand in the face of this moment's reality, the meaning of this day was as brilliantly, violently clear as the splashes of sun on the silver of the engine, all men had to perceive it now, no one could doubt it and she had no one to hate.

Dagny says this to Rearden:

> "But think how often we've heard people complain that billboards ruin the appearance of the countryside. Well, there's the unruined countryside for them to admire." She added, "They're the people I hate."]]>
Thu, 18 Mar 2021 03:25:27 +0000
curi Andy B Harassment Update

Previousy, Bruce was notified of other stuff, e.g. one of his group members was spammed by Andy from Andy's main IP address. Later the same person was threatened with IRL harm by Andy. Bruce, an admin and group leader, refused to ban Andy from the group or take any other steps.]]>
Wed, 17 Mar 2021 23:19:26 +0000
Anonymous Open Discussion (2021)
Interesting article. It opens by talking about optical illusions that have to do with color. Near the end, it links to a [post]( at the forums for PixInsight, which is a proprietary image-processing tool designed for astrophotography. Among other things, the linked post talks about how PixInsight lets you choose an entire galaxy as a "white reference" instead of using the light from a "G2V star" such as the sun:

> In a deep sky image however, no object, in general, is reflecting light from a G2V star. Deep sky images are definitely not daylight scenes, and most of the light that we capture and represent in them is far beyond the capabilities of the human vision system. We think that using a G2V star as a white reference for a deep sky image is a too anthropocentric view. We prefer to follow a completely different path, starting from the idea that no color can be taken as "real" in the deep sky, on a documentary basis. Instead of pursuing the illusion of real color, we try to apply a neutral criterion that pursues a very different goal: to represent a deep sky scene in an unbiased way regarding color, where no particular spectral type or color is being favored over others. In our opinion, this is the best way to provide a plausible color calibration criterion for deep sky astrophotography, both conceptually and physically.
> In this way we try to design and implement what we call spectrum-agnostic or documentary calibration methods. These methods pursue maximizing information representation through color in an unbiased way. In Vicent's calibration method, we take the integrated light of a nearby spiral galaxy as white reference. A nearby spiral galaxy with negligible redshift and good viewing conditions as seen from Earth is a plausible documentary white reference because it provides an excellent sample of all stellar populations and spectral types. Each pixel acquired from a galaxy is actually the result of the mixture of light from a large number of different deep sky objects.]]>
Wed, 17 Mar 2021 18:42:53 +0000
Anonymous Deplatforming and Fraud

> A group of current and former teachers and others in Loudoun County, Virginia, compiled a lengthy list of parents suspected of disagreeing with school system actions, including its teaching of controversial racial concepts — with a stated purpose in part to “infiltrate,” use “hackers” to silence parents’ communications, and “expose these people publicly.”

> Members of a 624-member private Facebook group called “Anti-Racist Parents of Loudoun County” named parents and plotted fundraising and other offline work. Some used pseudonyms, but The Daily Wire has identified them as a who’s who of the affluent jurisdiction outside D.C., including school staff and elected officials.

> The sheriff’s criminal investigations division is reviewing the matter — but the group’s activities might be no surprise to top law enforcement because the county’s prosecutor, narrowly elected with the help of $845,000 in cash from George Soros, appears to be a member of the Facebook group.]]>
Wed, 17 Mar 2021 18:04:56 +0000
Anonymous Deplatforming and Fraud
Disqus is deplatforming FrontPageMag on the basis of false claims made by the evil group of professional liars known as the Southern Poverty Law Center.]]>
Wed, 17 Mar 2021 00:51:01 +0000
Alisa Andy B Harassment Continues Wed, 17 Mar 2021 00:48:30 +0000 Alisa Andy B Harassment Continues
> All quoted text below is from the png above.

Correction: from the *pdf* above.]]>
Wed, 17 Mar 2021 00:46:57 +0000
Alisa Andy B Harassment Continues
> David won’t even ask his friends, colleagues, and fans to stop harassing.

(All quoted text below is from the png above.)

DD's "friends" and "colleagues" aren't labeled as such on the diagram. Maybe they fall under DD's "Direct Associates", who *are* labeled on the diagram. If so, then, as far as I can tell from the diagram, none of DD's "Direct Associates" are accused of harassing. So why would DD ask them to stop? But Elliot wrote "David won't *even* ask" (emphasis mine) which I think means that it's expected that DD *would* ask them. So I think I'm missing something.

I guess that what I'm missing has to do with my lack of understanding of what makes a comment "hateful" and/or about what constitutes "harassing". For example, I don't know what a "hate group" is. For another example, I wouldn't be able to confidently judge for myself, e.g., whether a comment is hateful or whether particular hateful comments constitute harassing.

If "Hateful comments about Elliot" or being "Publicly friendly with "Andy B"" constitute harassing, then that would explain why we would expect DD to ask his friends and colleagues to stop harassing.

One thing I could do is start a sub-project to learn more about hate and harassment and how they apply to this issue.]]>
Wed, 17 Mar 2021 00:46:05 +0000
curi curi's Microblogging
Commonly, "I think X" is a way to claim X, while "I feel X" isn't. E.g. if I say "I think rats are scary", that's a claim about the nature of rats. Whereas if I say "I feel scared by rats", then I'm talking about me rather than making an objective claim about rats.

But people often use "feel" as a synonym for "think", or are dishonest about thoughts vs. feelings, which confuses matters. E.g. they say "I feel that rats are scary." which is confusing because "rats are scary" is a thought not a feeling. "I feel" is clearer if followed by an emotion word like "happy" rather than by a thought.]]>
Tue, 16 Mar 2021 22:51:21 +0000
curi David Deutsch's Responsibility for Harassment

If you know how to make a better infographic, please do.]]>
Tue, 16 Mar 2021 21:51:27 +0000
curi David Deutsch's Responsibility for Harassment

> Curi has denigrated Deutsch over and again. He is no fan, he is no friend. He is an enemy of the fans of David Deutsch. He should be shunned. It is laughable given some of the things he has said over the years, that he represents anything like a community of fans of Deutsch. He is a danger to any such community and should be taken seriously as a threat to the ongoing harmony between actual fans and progress towards improving and promoting David’s worldview.

It also includes the lie "We’ve asked politely and clearly." coming from an anonymous person who didn't disclose what group "we" refers to, and with no dates, quotes, askers or communication mediums specified. It's trying to smear me as someone who is ignoring repeated, polite direct requests, and violating consent, but that's straight up lying. I repeatedly asked what they wanted and they refused to tell me their requests or demands. What would it take for them to leave me alone? I'm posting at my own blog, as usual, and I want the campaign of harassment to stop (which follows me around, e.g. here, instead of being done at their own sites), and there has been no such campaign going the other way.]]>
Tue, 16 Mar 2021 21:33:29 +0000
Anonymous Politics Discussion
Tue, 16 Mar 2021 15:57:40 +0000
IGCCs? Qualitative differences between context elements Max IGCs
Certainly there's less and more relevant context in the evaluation of an Idea against (Goal,Context) pairs. Like what I had for breakfast is context to any IGC I evaluate, but it rarely matters.

But for most problems, there's some specific context that matters in a qualitatively different way to most contexts. Like for dietary things, what I had for breakfast will usually matter.

I was trying to reason about bouldering "problems" (as they're called). That is: a particular configuration of holds on a wall, usually with an intended solution. the wall can often have multiple surfaces at different angles, and they often include "volumes", which are basically extra geometric bits you screw to the wall that can be used in any problem (and make the wall more interesting). [here's an image of some pyramid-y volumes](

the walls and volumes are general context that apply to any of the problems (aka routes) that run close enough. but the holds are specific context that mostly applies to the routes that they compose. (they can sometimes get in the way of other routes, and you're meant to use only the holds on the route you're doing, so holds are a sort of general context for the other routes.)

When thinking about it, I kept using (or 'reaching for') the word 'constraint'. The idea would be that a 'constraint' is context that always applies to any solution to a problem. Other context may or may not apply depending on the solution, but constraints are qualatatively different.

Though I'm using that word, it's mb a bit different to Goldratt's use in ToC. Like there are many holds for a bouldering problem, is each a constraint? if so, then it's a diff usage of the word b/c there's >2 constraints. but we could look at the set of holds as the single constraint, so maybe it's a similar enough usage to make sense.

Using the word 'constraint' was the reason for using "IGCC" in the post title. like 'idea, goal, constraint, context'.

In any case, even without using the word 'constraint', i think there is a qualitative difference between some context elements given any specific problem.]]>
Tue, 16 Mar 2021 09:56:52 +0000
curi curi's Microblogging
> The quest for truth should always supersede one’s ego-defensive desire to be proven right. This is not an easy task because for most people it is difficult to admit to being wrong. This is precisely why science is so liberating. It offers a framework for auto-correction because scientific knowledge is always provisional. An accepted scientific fact today might be refuted tomorrow. As such, the scientific method engenders epistemic humility. I grew up in a household where this quality was sorely lacking. Several members of my family are classic know-it-alls who seldom exhibit any deference to someone who might possess greater knowledge or wisdom on a given topic. They know more about the heart than the cardiologist, more about teeth than the dentist, more about mathematics than the mathematician, and more about academia than the academic. Also, they were seldom, if ever, willing to admit to being wrong. When it came to epistemic humility, they were not reincarnations of Socrates. I was always deeply troubled by this family dynamic for I viewed their epistemic grandiosity as a deep affront to the truth. A personal anecdote that took place more than two decades ago perfectly captures this reality.

> A family member remarked to me that the Ancient Greeks were anti-Semitic Christians to which I gently retorted that they were not Christians. The individual in question insisted that of course they were Christians. At that point, I explained that the time period in question was labelled “BC” in reference to its being “before Christ” (prior to Christianity). Once it was clear to this person that my position was unassailable, what do you think he did? Did he grant me the courtesy of admitting that he was wrong? I have recounted this tale on a few occasions and asked people to guess what his reaction was. No one has successfully cracked that mystery yet. When all hope that he might be proven correct was extinguished, he looked me in the eyes and stated with a straight face, “Yes, I said that they were not Christians, and you said that they were. So I am right.” Of course, we both knew that this was a grotesque lie but in his narcissistic and delusional bubble, his perfect record of superior knowledge remained intact.

Sad story about an important problem about people dealing very badly with being wrong.]]>
Tue, 16 Mar 2021 07:11:24 +0000
curi Open Discussion (2021) Tue, 16 Mar 2021 03:08:04 +0000 Telling people you're suicidal Anonymous Open Discussion (2021) Tue, 16 Mar 2021 03:02:31 +0000 curi David Deutsch's Responsibility for Harassment Tue, 16 Mar 2021 02:56:40 +0000 curi curi's Microblogging

I would like to link a blog post or other permalink on a Ted Cruz website but don't know where to find one. I found a news article that links the tweet and isn't recently updated. There's something screwy about sharing a letter like this as two images on twitter that don't even allow copy/paste of the text.]]>
Tue, 16 Mar 2021 02:30:46 +0000
Anonymous Andy B Harassment Continues Tue, 16 Mar 2021 02:19:45 +0000 Alisa Andy B Harassment Continues
I think I could write something to the Four Strands people who associate with “Andy B”, but not (yet) to DD. I don’t know where to go from here. I think I understand the verifiable facts of the matter, but not the stuff that depends on states of mind like “hatred”. I wonder if I’d have to understand that stuff in order to know whether or not I should write something to DD, either directly or as an open letter,]]>
Tue, 16 Mar 2021 02:03:55 +0000
curi David Deutsch's Responsibility for Harassment Tue, 16 Mar 2021 01:17:22 +0000 curi Andy B Harassment Update
So this lying harasser, who has never even tried to explain how or why harassment came from his IP address, is currently impersonating David Deutsch.]]>
Tue, 16 Mar 2021 01:15:25 +0000
Andy B Andy B Harassment Update Tue, 16 Mar 2021 01:02:46 +0000 curi Andy B Harassment Continues

Tue, 16 Mar 2021 00:27:57 +0000
curi David Deutsch's Responsibility for Harassment
I do not understand why you can't or won't ask your followers to stop their campaign of harassment. It's a normal thing for online people with a following to be concerned with whether their community is brigading, harassing, doxing, etc. I often see people reign in their communities.]]>
Mon, 15 Mar 2021 23:50:12 +0000
David Deutsch David Deutsch's Responsibility for Harassment Mon, 15 Mar 2021 23:31:58 +0000 curi curi's Microblogging]]>
Mon, 15 Mar 2021 20:55:33 +0000
Anonymous David Deutsch's Responsibility for Harassment Mon, 15 Mar 2021 20:37:49 +0000 curi Politics Discussion]]>
Mon, 15 Mar 2021 20:26:38 +0000
curi The Taking Children Seriously and Fallible Ideas Communities Mon, 15 Mar 2021 20:24:20 +0000 internetrules The Taking Children Seriously and Fallible Ideas Communities
i liked the list of complaints. i think it helps me deal with insults, and be less effected by them.

insults like the ones in the list work against me. they used to be a lot more effective against me.

when i try to take those kinds of insults more seriously and think about them more, they become less effective at effecting me emotionally.]]>
Mon, 15 Mar 2021 20:22:05 +0000
curi David Deutsch's Responsibility for Harassment
> The thing most technologists would do well to internalize is the notion of fraudogenic environments, where one can (unintentionally!) set up an incentive system which causes fraud to happen w/o there being a top-down directive to commit fraud.

> This is against the intuitions of a lot of people, who think there is some seedy back room where four senior banksters in suits have developed a multi-billion dollar fraud and want them marched out in handcuffs.

> And then reality is like "Whelp, the actual guilty parties are a few thousand retail-facing employees who, under intense pressure from bosses to hit quotas *because they work in sales and almost all sales is like that* lied to customers *and their employer.* Still want prison?"

DD created a toxic, harassment-ogenic atmosphere with nasty incentives and pressures, rather than giving direct orders in a seedy back room.]]>
Mon, 15 Mar 2021 20:20:56 +0000
curi David Deutsch's Responsibility for Harassment Mon, 15 Mar 2021 06:48:25 +0000 curi Andy B Harassment Update
That day, he also posted 19290 from with the author falsely specified as "Elliot Temple".

He posted new harassing comments today:]]>
Mon, 15 Mar 2021 06:38:41 +0000
Chris p David Deutsch's Responsibility for Harassment Mon, 15 Mar 2021 06:22:09 +0000 i love u Chris p. David Deutsch's Responsibility for Harassment Mon, 15 Mar 2021 06:15:50 +0000 curi Praise from David Deutsch Mon, 15 Mar 2021 04:16:34 +0000 curi Praise from David Deutsch

Today I found an app capable of opening these old logs:

Previously, my only way to read them was to use an old computer (a pre-intel Mac).]]>
Mon, 15 Mar 2021 04:14:24 +0000
Alisa Andy B Harassment Continues
- the evidence against “Andy B”
- what the FI shadow community was and who its members were
- the kind and degree of encouragement that “Andy B” received from the shadow community

Reading cleared those up for me. If “Andy B”’s associates in the FI shadow community were reasonable people, then the evidence provided in that article would be more than enough to warrant a response from them explaining, e.g., (a) why the evidence is wrong or (b) why it’s right but they still continue to associate with “Andy B”.

The most important thing that I’m currently unclear on is the kind or degree of responsibility that DD has for “Andy B”’s actions and the actions of the shadow community.

A side issue that I’m unclear about is about what “hate” and “hatred” are and why they’re bad.]]>
Mon, 15 Mar 2021 01:24:45 +0000