curi blog comments http://curi.us/comments/recent Explanations for the curious en-us curi Turgot on Criticism and Parenting Fri, 19 Oct 2018 18:45:02 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11301 http://curi.us/comments/show/11301 PAS Product Release: Yes or No Philosophy
(1) Assume the close: Instead of getting you to say yes or no, they slowly and carefully move from the pitch into finalizing the transaction as if you said yes. They only stop if you stop them by saying no. If you don't stop them, by the time you actually have to say yes by handing over money or signing or whatever, they act like you were the one being deceitful and changing your mind if you try to say no.

(2) Don't take no for an answer: They take even a clear no as just another request for more information before you say yes. To get them to stop you have to say something like no and please go away immediately.]]>
Fri, 19 Oct 2018 06:55:34 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11300 http://curi.us/comments/show/11300
patio11 on yes or no answers curi Product Release: Yes or No Philosophy
> That is called "asking for the sale" and, while that [example] is a very unconventional way to ask for the sale, a *ridiculous* portion of all energy expended in the art of sales is to get conversations to the point where someone has to actually say yes or no.

> Relatedly: in the highly likely event that you get an answer which is not a yes or no, effective salespeople follow up until the sun goes nova waiting for either a yes or no.]]>
Thu, 18 Oct 2018 18:42:15 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11299 http://curi.us/comments/show/11299
Anonymous Open Discussion
> If Elizabeth Warren had been Jewish in Nazi Germany, her 1/64th, ancestry, let alone 1/1024th, would have been considered too small to keep her out of the Nazi Party or the SS. That’s how insignificant the worst racists consider it. She’s gotten a lot of mileage out of nothing.

Good comparison by George Reisman.]]>
Mon, 15 Oct 2018 22:04:48 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11298 http://curi.us/comments/show/11298
Anonymous Open Discussion
> Bustamante said that Warren’s test results show the “vast majority” of her ancestry is European, but that “the results strongly support the existence of an unadmixed Native American ancestor,” likely 6–10 generations ago.

how did she know she's *cherokee* in particular if she had one indian relative 200 years ago, and has no idea what their name was, their gender, who they were, where they lived, what tribe they were in, etc?

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/411521-cherokee-nation-warrens-use-of-dna-test-inappropriate-wrong

> The Cherokee Nation in a statement said using a DNA test to claim connection with a tribal nation is “inappropriate” and “wrong.”

> “Using a DNA test to lay claim to any connection to the Cherokee Nation or any tribal nation, even vaguely, is inappropriate and wrong,” said Cherokee Nation Secretary of State Chuck Hoskin Jr. “It makes a mockery out of DNA tests and its legitimate uses while also dishonoring legitimate tribal governments and their citizens, whose ancestors are well documented and whose heritage is proven.”

> Hoskin accused Warren of “undermining tribal interests with her continued claims of tribal heritage.”

> He argued that DNA tests fail to distinguish whether a person’s ancestors were indigenous to North or South America and noted that tribes set their own legal requirements for citizenship.

> Warren claims to have Cherokee blood. The Cherokee Nation requires a person to have at least one ancestor listed on a federal census used to allot Cherokee land in the early 1900s known as the Dawes Final Rolls.

> Unlike other tribes, the Cherokee Nation does not require a minimum blood quantum for citizenship.]]>
Mon, 15 Oct 2018 18:38:56 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11297 http://curi.us/comments/show/11297
Anonymous Open Discussion
https://spitfire.overwatchleague.com/en-us/news/thank-you-closer]]>
Mon, 15 Oct 2018 18:32:34 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11296 http://curi.us/comments/show/11296
curi Open Discussion
Long, interesting story about how awful working at Google+ was. Office politics and crap.

Notably, they had to bribe other parts of the company to do G+ integration by paying them lots of extra money, as bonuses. Cuz people didn't want to do G+ integration in other products. I think it's interesting that Google employees aren't just like slaves to be ordered around – Google found it easier to just pay them a ton of extra money to get them to do something dumb rather than just saying "yo I'm the boss, do this".]]>
Mon, 15 Oct 2018 14:35:37 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11295 http://curi.us/comments/show/11295
Anonymous Open Discussion
You can count people moving around a room (or other space) with only one wifi transmitter and one wifi receiver (which can be behind walls). All it takes is math and monitoring signal strength.]]>
Sun, 14 Oct 2018 23:17:29 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11294 http://curi.us/comments/show/11294
Anonymous Open Discussion
I don't think many of them think that. And if they do, it's a consequence, not a cause.

The underlying causes are static memes, including social status games. They are tortured as children, for years, and then try to cope.]]>
Fri, 12 Oct 2018 19:40:25 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11293 http://curi.us/comments/show/11293
The Left Doesn't Focus on Persuasion Anonymous Open Discussion
That’s how they act, anyways. They’re mostly not focused on creating like great viral content to persuade everyone about how harmful plastic bags are or something like that. There is some of that type of thing, but I think that’s mostly geared towards activating their “base” for political action (and some I guess might be geared towards indoctrinating captive audiences in the schools). Overall, they focus on political power a lot more than anything like persuasion.]]>
Fri, 12 Oct 2018 19:35:00 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11292 http://curi.us/comments/show/11292
Justin Open Discussion
>> The Legend of Korra is Garbage and Here's Why

> 1.6 million views. I thought Avatar The Last Airbender was amazing, but Korra was only OK (not garbage, though!). The video description begins:

>> Reuploaded due to salty Legend of Korra fans mass-flagging the previous video and having it locked to private.

> What the fuck, it's not just political stuff being censored, it's just the mob causing problems with sharing any ideas that offend a large group.

Korra is an LGBT heroine now so she's political. Everything is political. Even Taylor Swift (formerly the Switzerland of celebrities when it came to being neutral on politics) is now doing left-wing advocacy]]>
Fri, 12 Oct 2018 16:03:45 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11291 http://curi.us/comments/show/11291
curi Open Discussion
> The Legend of Korra is Garbage and Here's Why

1.6 million views. I thought Avatar The Last Airbender was amazing, but Korra was only OK (not garbage, though!). The video description begins:

> Reuploaded due to salty Legend of Korra fans mass-flagging the previous video and having it locked to private.

What the fuck, it's not just political stuff being censored, it's just the mob causing problems with sharing any ideas that offend a large group.]]>
Fri, 12 Oct 2018 15:48:44 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11290 http://curi.us/comments/show/11290
Anonymous Open Discussion
> “Ben and Channing weren’t having any of that and wanted her gone,” the sources remarked.

Report: ABC execs regret firing Roseanne, worry about spinoff: ‘We didn’t think it through properly’

https://www.theblaze.com/news/2018/10/12/report-abc-execs-regret-firing-roseanne-worry-about-spinoff-we-didnt-think-it-through-properly?utm_content=bufferd2896&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=theblaze]]>
Fri, 12 Oct 2018 14:32:02 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11289 http://curi.us/comments/show/11289
Anonymous Open Discussion
> LATEST REVISION TO ARM INSTRUCTION SET INCLUDES OPTIMIZATIONS JUST FOR JAVASCRIPT

Apple did some CPU design specifically aimed at javascript performance, cuz javascript matters that much cuz of its use by web browsers.]]>
Fri, 12 Oct 2018 14:28:46 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11288 http://curi.us/comments/show/11288
Justin Open Discussion Fri, 12 Oct 2018 14:06:57 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11287 http://curi.us/comments/show/11287 Justin Open Discussion
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvVRDZVq3-0

actual GOP ads are just edits of my vids now ;-DDD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlMIyae9-ZU&frags=pl%2Cwn]]>
Fri, 12 Oct 2018 14:05:44 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11286 http://curi.us/comments/show/11286
Anonymous Open Discussion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvVRDZVq3-0]]>
Fri, 12 Oct 2018 13:57:32 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11285 http://curi.us/comments/show/11285
Anonymous Open Discussion
> More to the point, abandoning Kavanaugh would have been a sign of weakness, demoralising to the Republican base — which firmly stood by Kavanaugh — and an intoxicating taste of blood to liberals, who would know that if they could win this first fight, the next round would be worth fighting too. Instead, by seeing Kavanaugh through to confirmation, Trump has showed Republicans that they can win so long as they don’t pre-emptively surrender. His own campaign in 2016 had been fought on the same premise. Republicans had been in a habit of apologising for themselves since at least the time George W. Bush ran on ‘compassionate conservatism’ — what exactly was he implying about everyone else’s conservatism? — in 2000, when he became president only by grace of the Republican majority on the Supreme Court. (Which is fair enough: the 2000 election genuinely was a virtual tie in the decisive state of Florida.) Mitt Romney cringed when he was called out for ‘self-deportation’ and ‘binders full of women,’ even though the former was a humane and effective immigration policy (one much in evidence during the Obama administration, in fact) and the latter was a ill-phrased but sincere promise to include many women in his administration.

> But that was another problem with the ‘draft Barrett’ idea: although the conservative writers pushing it liked her for her presumed views on abortion and thought of themselves as being clever political strategists for suggesting a woman, in fact they were playing to the very style of politics that the centre-left dominates — that is, they were conceding the narrative that Republicans are bad for women and only a woman could negate the GOP’s justly-acquired bad reputation among women. This didn’t work when John McCain put Sarah Palin on his presidential ticket. It wouldn’t have worked for Amy Coney Barrett, either — though she may indeed make a fine justice one day. Just as the politics of ‘compassion’ doesn’t work for conservatives (as opposed to the politics of jobs and American industry), the politics of ‘see, we can too find women who like us!’ concedes everything to conservatism’s enemies. It doth protest too much.”


White liberalism is dying | Spectator USA
https://spectator.us/2018/10/white-liberalism/
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Thu, 11 Oct 2018 14:52:53 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11284 http://curi.us/comments/show/11284
Anonymous Open Discussion Thu, 11 Oct 2018 13:13:09 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11283 http://curi.us/comments/show/11283 curi Open Discussion Tue, 09 Oct 2018 11:37:07 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11282 http://curi.us/comments/show/11282 Anonymous Open Discussion
https://www.unqualified-reservations.org/]]>
Tue, 09 Oct 2018 09:18:29 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11281 http://curi.us/comments/show/11281
Anonymous Open Discussion
https://www.macrumors.com/2018/10/08/google-plus-shutting-down-data-breach/]]>
Mon, 08 Oct 2018 11:22:21 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11280 http://curi.us/comments/show/11280
Anonymous Open Discussion Sun, 07 Oct 2018 00:35:16 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11279 http://curi.us/comments/show/11279 curi Rothbard's Bad Scholarship on Godwin and Popper
> While Aristotle was critical of money-making, he still opposed any limitation – such as Plato had advocated – on an individual's accumulation of private property. Instead, education should teach people voluntarily to curb their rampant desires and thus lead them to limit their own accumulations of wealth.

> Despite his cogent defence of private property and opposition to coerced limits on wealth, the aristocrat Aristotle was fully as scornful of labour and trade as his predecessors.

Rothbard is a hypocrite. Aristotle on property is kinda similar to Godwin, but worse, and Rothbard calls that a "cogent defence of private property". Rothbard also praises some early Chinese laissez-faire and anarchist ideas, but fails to give Godwin much credit for similar ideas.]]>
Sat, 06 Oct 2018 12:12:36 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11278 http://curi.us/comments/show/11278
Anonymous Open Discussion
Democrats Play Against Brett Kavanaugh Backfired Big Time
https://www.commentarymagazine.com/politics-ideas/brett-kavanaugh-the-surprise-ending/
via Instapaper]]>
Sat, 06 Oct 2018 06:17:12 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11277 http://curi.us/comments/show/11277
Anonymous Open Discussion
https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/9lnfl7/beginningyourpathtopro_main_support/]]>
Fri, 05 Oct 2018 13:15:54 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11276 http://curi.us/comments/show/11276
Anonymous Open Discussion
> AnandTech Calls A12 Bionic in iPhone XS 'Just Margins Off' Best Desktop CPUs in New Review

also

> As part of the review, AnandTech also offered a look at how Apple has improved performance in older devices by tweaking scaling performance. The A9 in the iPhone 6s, for example, took 435ms for the CPU to reach maximum frequency, but that time was cut to 80ms in iOS 12 for a "great boost to performance in shorter interactive workloads."]]>
Fri, 05 Oct 2018 12:58:51 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11275 http://curi.us/comments/show/11275
Anonymous Open Discussion
https://daringfireball.net/2018/10/bloomberg_the_big_hack

https://daringfireball.net/linked/2018/10/04/what-businessweek-got-wrong-about-apple]]>
Thu, 04 Oct 2018 17:52:00 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11274 http://curi.us/comments/show/11274
Anonymous Open Discussion Thu, 04 Oct 2018 11:01:44 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11273 http://curi.us/comments/show/11273 Anonymous Open Discussion
> One country in particular has an advantage executing this kind of attack: China, which by some estimates makes 75 percent of the world’s mobile phones and 90 percent of its PCs. Still, to actually accomplish a seeding attack would mean developing a deep understanding of a product’s design, manipulating components at the factory, and ensuring that the doctored devices made it through the global logistics chain to the desired location—a feat akin to throwing a stick in the Yangtze River upstream from Shanghai and ensuring that it washes ashore in Seattle. “Having a well-done, nation-state-level hardware implant surface would be like witnessing a unicorn jumping over a rainbow,” says Joe Grand, a hardware hacker and the founder of Grand Idea Studio Inc. “Hardware is just so far off the radar, it’s almost treated like black magic.”

> But that’s just what U.S. investigators found: The chips had been inserted during the manufacturing process, two officials say, by operatives from a unit of the People’s Liberation Army. In Supermicro, China’s spies appear to have found a perfect conduit for what U.S. officials now describe as the most significant supply chain attack known to have been carried out against American companies.

> One official says investigators found that it eventually affected almost 30 companies, including a major bank, government contractors, and the world’s most valuable company, Apple Inc. Apple was an important Supermicro customer and had planned to order more than 30,000 of its servers in two years for a new global network of data centers. Three senior insiders at Apple say that in the summer of 2015, it, too, found malicious chips on Supermicro motherboards. Apple severed ties with Supermicro the following year, for what it described as unrelated reasons.”

China Used a Tiny Chip in a Hack That Infiltrated Amazon and Apple

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-hack-how-china-used-a-tiny-chip-to-infiltrate-america-s-top-companies]]>
Thu, 04 Oct 2018 10:00:09 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11272 http://curi.us/comments/show/11272
Anonymous Open Discussion
> This dynamic explains why Senator Cory Booker (D., N.J) insisted that Dr. Ford told “her truth.” In other words, evidence was not so relevant. Ford’s story of events from 36 years ago inherently would have as much claim on reality as Kavanaugh’s rebuttal — and perhaps more so, given their different genders and asymmetrical access to power.

> There was little interest in discovering the ancient idea of “the Truth.” To do that would have required the messy work of taxing the memories of teenage behavior nearly four decades prior.

> Truth-finding would have required difficult, time-honored examinations of physical evidence, the testimony of witnesses, and even unpleasant cross-examinations about the time and place of the allegations. Feelings might have been hurt. Motives might have been questioned, as they are under constitutional norms of due process.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/10/brett-kavanaugh-hearings-campus-chaos-comes-to-congress/]]>
Thu, 04 Oct 2018 04:53:05 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11271 http://curi.us/comments/show/11271
Alisa Open Discussion Wed, 03 Oct 2018 14:50:03 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11270 http://curi.us/comments/show/11270 https://voat.co/v/gaming/2762495 Alisa Open Discussion
It's a link to this video by The Quartering:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq-HTglRTF8]]>
Wed, 03 Oct 2018 14:46:24 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11269 http://curi.us/comments/show/11269
Anonymous Open Discussion
> We used other methods too, like, “I wonder if that ‘progressive stack’ in the news could be written into a paper that says white males in college shouldn’t be allowed to speak in class (or have their emails answered by the instructor), and, for good measure, be asked to sit in the floor in chains so they can ‘experience reparations.’” That was our “Progressive Stack” paper. The answer seems to be yes, and feminist philosophy titan Hypatia has been surprisingly warm to it. Another tough one for us was, “I wonder if they’d publish a feminist rewrite of a chapter from Adolf Hitler’s Mein Kampf.” The answer to that question also turns out to be “yes,” given that the feminist social work journal Affilia has just accepted it. As we progressed, we started to realize that just about anything can be made to work, so long as it falls within the moral orthodoxy and demonstrates understanding of the existing literature.

> Put another way, we now have good reasons to believe that if we just appropriate the existing literature in the right ways—and there always seems to be a citation or vein of literature that makes it possible—we can say almost any politically fashionable thing we want. The underlying questions in every single case were the same: What do we need to write, and what do we need to cite (all of our citations are real, by the way) to get this academic madness published as high “scholarship”?”

Academic Grievance Studies and the Corruption of Scholarship - Areo
https://areomagazine.com/2018/10/02/academic-grievance-studies-and-the-corruption-of-scholarship/
via Instapaper]]>
Wed, 03 Oct 2018 12:16:00 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11268 http://curi.us/comments/show/11268
Anonymous Open Discussion
> This is the primary point of the project: What we just described is not knowledge production; it’s sophistry. That is, it’s a forgery of knowledge that should not be mistaken for the real thing. The biggest difference between us and the scholarship we are studying by emulation is that we know we made things up.

> This process is the one, single thread that ties all twenty of our papers together, even though we used a variety of methods to come up with the various ideas fed into their system to see how the editors and peer reviewers would respond. Sometimes we just thought a nutty or inhumane idea up and ran with it. What if we write a paper saying we should train men like we do dogs—to prevent rape culture? Hence came the “Dog Park” paper. What if we write a paper claiming that when a guy privately masturbates while thinking about a woman (without her consent—in fact, without her ever finding out about it) that he’s committing sexual violence against her? That gave us the “Masturbation” paper. What if we argue that the reason superintelligent AI is potentially dangerous is because it is being programmed to be masculinist and imperialist using Mary Shelley’s Frankenstein and Lacanian psychoanalysis? That’s our “Feminist AI” paper. What if we argued that “a fat body is a legitimately built body” as a foundation for introducing a category for fat bodybuilding into the sport of professional bodybuilding? You can read how that went in Fat Studies.”

Academic Grievance Studies and the Corruption of Scholarship - Areo
https://areomagazine.com/2018/10/02/academic-grievance-studies-and-the-corruption-of-scholarship/
via Instapaper]]>
Wed, 03 Oct 2018 12:12:17 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11267 http://curi.us/comments/show/11267
curi Open Discussion
http://www.econlib.org/library/Mill/mlP14.html#II.1.13

> The Communistic scheme, instead of being peculiarly open to the objection drawn from danger of over-population, has the recommendation of tending in an especial degree to the prevention of that evil.]]>
Wed, 03 Oct 2018 11:52:35 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11266 http://curi.us/comments/show/11266
Anonymous Open Discussion
![](https://curi.us/img/oxxiihQ1nOiDDCS-418x387.png)]]>
Tue, 02 Oct 2018 15:57:46 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11265 http://curi.us/comments/show/11265
Anonymous Open Discussion
https://www.wired.com/story/facebook-security-breach-third-party-sites/

I never used the Facebook sign in crap cuz I didn't trust them. I feel vindicated]]>
Mon, 01 Oct 2018 16:50:21 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11264 http://curi.us/comments/show/11264
Anonymous Open Discussion Sun, 30 Sep 2018 16:37:33 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11263 http://curi.us/comments/show/11263 Anonymous Open Discussion
Apple and the aggressive rollout of its iPhone XS vision for the future
https://appleinsider.com/articles/18/09/13/apple-and-the-aggressive-rollout-of-its-iphone-xs-vision-for-the-future
via Instapaper]]>
Sun, 30 Sep 2018 14:29:08 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11262 http://curi.us/comments/show/11262
Anonymous Open Discussion
Mozilla looked at some web browsing data and found:

> In the group that installed an ad blocker, we find significant increases in both active time spent in the browser (+28% over control) and the num- ber of pages viewed (+15% over control), while seeing no change in the number of searches.]]>
Sun, 30 Sep 2018 14:02:43 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11261 http://curi.us/comments/show/11261
curi Open Discussion Sun, 30 Sep 2018 12:04:52 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11260 http://curi.us/comments/show/11260 curi Open Discussion Sun, 30 Sep 2018 12:03:46 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11259 http://curi.us/comments/show/11259 Anonymous Open Discussion Sun, 30 Sep 2018 01:49:59 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11258 http://curi.us/comments/show/11258 Anonymous Open Discussion
![](https://curi.us/img/gWy7RG3t0X1CjJJ-955x198.png)]]>
Sat, 29 Sep 2018 20:28:10 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11257 http://curi.us/comments/show/11257
Anonymous Open Discussion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1bgzFGyNuU]]>
Sat, 29 Sep 2018 16:27:22 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11256 http://curi.us/comments/show/11256
Anonymous Open Discussion Sat, 29 Sep 2018 14:17:35 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11255 http://curi.us/comments/show/11255 Anonymous Don't Trust Trump, He's Not a Conservative
https://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/www.haaretz.com/amp/israel-news/full-text-benjamin-netanyahu-s-2018-un-general-assembly-speech-1.6513185]]>
Fri, 28 Sep 2018 04:55:48 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11254 http://curi.us/comments/show/11254
Anonymous Open Discussion Thu, 27 Sep 2018 14:55:15 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11253 http://curi.us/comments/show/11253 curi Open Discussion Thu, 27 Sep 2018 13:42:28 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11252 http://curi.us/comments/show/11252 Anonymous Open Discussion
> The researchers also found that if User A, whom we’ll call Anna, shares her contacts with Facebook, including a previously unknown phone number for User B, whom we’ll call Ben, advertisers will be able to target Ben with an ad using that phone number, which I call “shadow contact information,” about a month later. Ben can’t access his shadow contact information, because that would violate Anna’s privacy, according to Facebook, so he can’t see it or delete it, and he can’t keep advertisers from using it either.

Facebook also lied that they didn't do this before being caught.]]>
Thu, 27 Sep 2018 09:55:18 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11251 http://curi.us/comments/show/11251
oh my god it's turpentine Open Discussion
No.]]>
Wed, 26 Sep 2018 22:31:03 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11250 http://curi.us/comments/show/11250
Anonymous Open Discussion Wed, 26 Sep 2018 21:39:14 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11249 http://curi.us/comments/show/11249 Anonymous Open Discussion
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2018-09-26.html

> NO MORE MR. WHITE GUY]]>
Wed, 26 Sep 2018 15:27:26 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11248 http://curi.us/comments/show/11248
Anonymous Open Discussion
> Safari Content Blocker Evaluations – 9/26/18 Edition

> 1Blocker X is leagues better than the rest.

That's what I was already using :)]]>
Wed, 26 Sep 2018 14:49:01 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11247 http://curi.us/comments/show/11247
curi Don't Trust Trump, He's Not a Conservative Wed, 26 Sep 2018 12:40:33 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11246 http://curi.us/comments/show/11246 Anonymous Don't Trust Trump, He's Not a Conservative Wed, 26 Sep 2018 12:35:29 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11245 http://curi.us/comments/show/11245 Anonymous Open Discussion
> Report Reveals Apple News Brings Publishers Much Higher Traffic But a Lot Less Ad Revenue

> In a stark example, Slate revealed that it earns more money from an article that gets 50,000 page views on its own site than it does from 54 million views on Apple News.]]>
Wed, 26 Sep 2018 09:45:38 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11244 http://curi.us/comments/show/11244
Anonymous Open Discussion
> Apple Watch Series 4 Expected to Gain Second Manufacturer Following 'Much Better Than Expected' Demand

Just got mine yesterday. I like it.]]>
Wed, 26 Sep 2018 09:43:10 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11243 http://curi.us/comments/show/11243
Anonymous Open Discussion
![](https://curi.us/img/jtSCgvgXvVhnjWt-776x342.png)]]>
Mon, 24 Sep 2018 21:52:07 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11242 http://curi.us/comments/show/11242
Anonymous Open Discussion
> In research compiled by Bloomberg, the 64GB iPhone XS cost Apple $23.68 for the NAND storage specifically, the 256GB cost $66.24, and the 512GB cost $132.48. In terms of revenue, the 512GB storage option is estimated to make Apple $241 more per iPhone than the 64GB tier, an increase from $107 between the highest and lowest storage tiers in last year's iPhone X.

Neat to know things about business margins. (Be aware that these estimates are usually not super accurate.)]]>
Mon, 24 Sep 2018 13:06:25 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11241 http://curi.us/comments/show/11241
Anonymous Open Discussion
> Apple Finalizes Shazam Acquisition, App Will Soon Become Ad-Free

Also MacOS Mojave came out today. Back up your computer before updating!]]>
Mon, 24 Sep 2018 13:03:45 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11240 http://curi.us/comments/show/11240
Anonymous Open Discussion Sun, 23 Sep 2018 21:31:33 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11239 http://curi.us/comments/show/11239 Anonymous Open Discussion Sun, 23 Sep 2018 20:56:58 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11238 http://curi.us/comments/show/11238 Anonymous Open Discussion: Parenting, Babies, Education Sun, 23 Sep 2018 15:06:47 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11237 http://curi.us/comments/show/11237 curi Open Discussion: Parenting, Babies, Education
I don't object to a friendly atmosphere per se, and I think it's good to give the child some prior experience with things (like touching the child with the sheathed needle without putting it in). But I do object to the lack of communication: no warnings about pain, no attempt to explain that it would be difference when the needle was used compared to the pre-touches (the pre-touches may do more than than good without any explanation), no advice on how to deal with pain, no acknowledge at all of pain. Wouldn't anesthetic be better? We have a technological solution to this problem (even if it's not a full solution in all cases, surely it'd reduce the pain that the child in the video seemed to *really really really hate* – and the adults did not respect or even acknowledge the pain and instead blew bubbles and continued with the fake atmosphere. At the point of the child began feeling pain, the atmosphere could easily have meaningfully contributed to the child's suffering, including conceivably having been the majority of the problem – sometimes children are more upset about how their parents react, e.g. by ignoring a problem, than by the problem itself. The atmosphere combined with the non-communication also may have resulted in the child being more surprised by the pain than another atmosphere would have led to, which could have made it much worse.).]]>
Sun, 23 Sep 2018 14:44:47 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11236 http://curi.us/comments/show/11236
PAS Open Discussion: Parenting, Babies, Education
Yet if babies don't get vaccinations they're at increased risk of serious diseases. And we don't currently seem to have the knowledge/technology to explain the situation where a baby or young toddler could consent.

What is TCS's opinion of techniques like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m-9itperOw

Child abuse? Good try even if not successful? Terrible deception and betrayal? Something else?

And more generally, how does TCS recommend parents handle infant / toddler vaccinations?]]>
Sun, 23 Sep 2018 14:21:04 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11235 http://curi.us/comments/show/11235
Anonymous Open Discussion
and you didn't specify any particular claims you think are good and important from the article. this is a problem because the article doesn't read as an organized argument and it's hard to find the main points (and there's a major concern that if I found what I think are the main points, they wouldn't be the ones you had in mind).]]>
Sun, 23 Sep 2018 11:18:17 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11234 http://curi.us/comments/show/11234
Anonymous Open Discussion: Parenting, Babies, Education Sun, 23 Sep 2018 10:28:29 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11233 http://curi.us/comments/show/11233 Juice Pulp Open Discussion
http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-oddities-of-the-jewish-religion/

Obviously, there's another issue of genetic jewishness, but I don't subscribe to that. I think that's just a way to bootstrap bottled rage by people who are antisemites for no good reason. Epigenetics and environmental factors play a much more important role than supposed trait descent.]]>
Sun, 23 Sep 2018 05:22:52 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11232 http://curi.us/comments/show/11232
RealRandFansAreAutists Open Discussion Sat, 22 Sep 2018 20:28:59 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11231 http://curi.us/comments/show/11231 curi Open Discussion Sat, 22 Sep 2018 18:43:50 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11230 http://curi.us/comments/show/11230 RealRandFansLoveLiberty Open Discussion Sat, 22 Sep 2018 18:40:52 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11229 http://curi.us/comments/show/11229 curi Open Discussion
That sentence should say *in the topic of overreaching* on the end. He did say he liked Paths Forward, but then never acted accordingly.]]>
Sat, 22 Sep 2018 00:57:57 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11228 http://curi.us/comments/show/11228
curi Open Discussion
> Hello Elliot,

> I apologize for my behavior yesterday. I shouldn't have implied you were a bigot. I've been thinking of what caused me to react so strongly and I think it was fear. I was afraid that you could convince me to think that a wall is a good idea. It felt like I was betraying my friends and people I care about if I were to start agreeing with something like that. But I ended up betraying my own values of seeking truth and honest conversations. Either way, I behaved poorly and I apologize.

> -Andy

But then he raged again, similarly, a few days later... (The quotes in #11225 regarding subreddit moderation, then leaving further discussion, apparently permanently.)

Notice the irrationality of being scared of being convinced that an idea is true. And notice the personal bias, which he brought up in the conversation too – he knows some immigrants and that, not principles, is how he decides on political policies. (I don't think he ever answered if they were *illegal* immigrants, which is the only type of immigrant that a wall would be targeted at. Many legal immigrants support Trump!)

Anyway, as is common with apologies, he didn't learn his lesson or change anything.

Andy is a moderator of https://www.reddit.com/r/IntellectualDarkWeb/ where his name is kodheaven (blog: https://heuristicworld.blogspot.com ). I pointed out some ways their rules were unclear but Andy said he thought they were fine and didn't respond to the specific problems I had pointed out – and then raged, called me a bully, left, etc. It's really sad how much people's parents and teachers destroy their minds, and they usually never get over it.

He was friendly at first and I helped him learn the basics of minimum wage, but then he became hostile quite fast. Or at least it seemed like an abrupt change to me. Based on the quotes in #11225 , I guess he was building up resentments and problems for a while and dishonestly hiding them. I had noticed that *he brought up a lot more topics than he made progress on*. I'd tried to get him to stop and focus more, and had a lot of success with minimum wage, and some success with a few other things (e.g. altruism), but it was hard because he was resistant to productive discussion methods. He also never took any interest in the He also did sabotaging things like reading most of Atlas Shrugged *while largely disliking it or not getting the point* – without telling us he was reading it (I wouldn't have even recommended it to him, since I wouldn't have expected him to understand it) and, although he formed a negative judgment, he never discussed a single issue he had with the book.]]>
Fri, 21 Sep 2018 23:05:46 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11227 http://curi.us/comments/show/11227
Anonymous Open Discussion Fri, 21 Sep 2018 22:00:30 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11226 http://curi.us/comments/show/11226 Anonymous Open Discussion [6:30 PM] HeuristicWorld (Andy): Sabotaging, I guess you expect me to be like everyone else here that takes your word for gospel
[6:30 PM] HeuristicWorld (Andy): The thing is I don't consider you superior to me and It bothers you.
[6:31 PM] HeuristicWorld (Andy): which is fine
[6:31 PM] HeuristicWorld (Andy): I've dealt with big egos before

He said it's "fine", after the passive-aggressive comment about his own confusion, and before leaving Discord without further explanation.]]>
Fri, 21 Sep 2018 21:53:46 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11225 http://curi.us/comments/show/11225
Anonymous Open Discussion Fri, 21 Sep 2018 21:29:05 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11224 http://curi.us/comments/show/11224 Anonymous Open Discussion Thu, 20 Sep 2018 20:58:51 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11223 http://curi.us/comments/show/11223 David Fapman Open Discussion Thu, 20 Sep 2018 20:08:10 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11222 http://curi.us/comments/show/11222 Anonymous Open Discussion
Quotes:

> France: Marine Le Pen ordered to undergo psychiatric tests for posting photos critical of the Islamic State

>> Marine Le Pen, the leader of the French far right has been left shocked and furious after a court ordered her to be examined by a psychiatrist to determine if she “is capable of understanding remarks and answering questions”.

>> The unusual summoning is in relation to Le Pen having tweeted out gruesome propaganda images from terror group Isis that showed the bodies of people having been executed by the so-called Islamic State.

>> “I thought I had been through it all: well, no! For denouncing the horrors of Daesh (Isis) by tweets the “justice system” has referred me for a psychiatric assessment. How far will they go?!” she said on Thursday.

>> “I am being charged for having condemned the horrors of Daesh,” Le Pen told AFP.

>> “In other countries this would have earned me a medal.”

>> The crime is punishable by up to three years in prison and a fine of 75,000 euros ($91,000).]]>
Thu, 20 Sep 2018 13:09:09 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11221 http://curi.us/comments/show/11221
curi Donald Trump is a Moderate Thu, 20 Sep 2018 12:43:25 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11220 http://curi.us/comments/show/11220 Anonymous Donald Trump is a Moderate
wants to pause https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-statement-on-preventing-muslim-immigration

advocates some moderate stuff https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/health-care/

like Ted Cruz proposed to https://www.tedcruz.org/five-for-freedom-summary/

favors reasonable energy policies https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/energy

to militarily intervene in the world less https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-military-readiness-remarks

wonderful new policy proposals https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-delivers-groundbreaking-contract-for-the-american-vote1

i wonder if all of his presidential campaign stuff on his website has been taken down.]]>
Thu, 20 Sep 2018 12:40:53 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11219 http://curi.us/comments/show/11219
Current time-slice principles of justice RN Open Discussion: Economics Thu, 20 Sep 2018 11:06:39 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11218 http://curi.us/comments/show/11218 Anonymous Open Discussion Thu, 20 Sep 2018 10:21:04 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11217 http://curi.us/comments/show/11217 mykl's apology/reflections curi Open Discussion
the complaints included that he needed to ask ppl for comment b4 saying things about them. mykl decided he'd made a mistake and wrote thoughts:

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sqlmii

i thought his reflections were very good. reddit, however, mostly flamed him for it:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/9hbuyz/mykl_reflecting/

what do you think?]]>
Thu, 20 Sep 2018 01:05:44 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11216 http://curi.us/comments/show/11216
Anonymous Letter to Jordan Peterson on Antidepressants and Rational Discussion Wed, 19 Sep 2018 17:16:01 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11215 http://curi.us/comments/show/11215 Anonymous Open Discussion
i don't have music running thru my head most of the time. almost never.

sometimes i have music running thru my head, like right after hearing a song.

i only listen to music while driving or working out. often i like it silent while driving or working out (like because i'm deep in thought and I don't want music to get in the way, though often i'm deep in thought and the music is on but I don't really notice the music - same for watching tv/movies).]]>
Wed, 19 Sep 2018 08:02:23 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11214 http://curi.us/comments/show/11214
Anonymous Open Discussion
> Why do people have music running through their heads? Is there anything we can do to get it to stop?

Are there people who don't have music running through their heads most of the time? If so, what's the difference between them and the people who do?

Maybe it could be good to have music running through your head if it's good music. Anyone have suggestions for good music that might inspire someone to be a better person?

I thought about trying to add words to the music running through my head, which doesn't usually have words. The words could be things I want to tell myself over and over. I had trouble coming up with words.]]>
Wed, 19 Sep 2018 07:52:38 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11213 http://curi.us/comments/show/11213
curi Do Primarily Easy Things – Increasing The Productivity Of Your Intellectual Labor Vs. Consumption
No. Knowledge that good – to not only highly effectively help an individual with such a problem, but actually to help anyone from a large group of people – doesn't yet exist.

It is in development, but it's a hard problem. Helping single individuals who participate interactively is one of the ways it's being developed (e.g. answering questions that people post), but unfortunately there aren't many people who want to try to do that extensively.

I think a really good example is here:

http://curi.us/2145-open-discussion-economics#c11029

In this discussion, I first got Andy to read around 20 pages of published material about minimum wages. It's some of the best material for helping a general audience understand the matter, but it didn't work. It didn't even come close to working. Andy understood almost none of it and had almost no questions or comments. To make progress, I had to walk him through the things he'd just read (while he kept trying to bring up tangents instead of focusing on what I suggested). Then after going over things and him seeming to agree, I had to quiz him on it, and he got most of the quiz questions wrong, and I had to correct him on some of them and get him to then redo some other ones, and then finally he got them right. That's commonly the kind of thing it takes to accomplish much. The books – some of the best books – aren't effective enough.

With minimum wage, some people read about it and get the point. The success rate with books and lecture videos might be 10% (wild guess) for people who put in some effort (like Andy), and even higher for people who read multiple full books and watch/listen to dozens of hours of lectures. However, FI has a lot of ideas which are more counterintuitive and much harder to teach to members of our current culture, compared to minimum wage, so success rates are lower (despite the existence of e.g. Popper's great books).

Some of my best non-interactive educational material, in my opinion, is https://yesornophilosophy.com and http://fallibleideas.com/life

I'm trying to make things easier for people by writing new things which are more organized and better written than older things, and by making videos which help show my reading/thinking/writing/research *processes* more. E.g. I just released videos in which I read through Reisman's new book on Marxism/Socialism and comment and explain as I go along, and I have many videos in which I write FI emails. Similarly I made some videos about how to read: https://elliottemple.com/store (*Reading Hard Passages*, *Videos: Reading The Dream of Reason*, and also my notes on Peikoff's lectures on grammar are available.)

I think the original FI essays have stood the test of time. I've stabilized enough as an intellectual that I'm still happy with a major project that I wrote 8.5 years ago (that I put extra effort into polishing, it was my best work from then). I haven't changed my mind about the content and I still think the writing style and quality is good. Now I can make better material with less effort, so I'm making more canonical material (as against material which has value but is meant for shorter term uses – answering people's questions, practicing writing, brainstorming and thinking through or trying out ideas, etc, as is commonly seen in discussions). My rate of doing more polished work is increasing, so there's more to come and hopefully it will help you. That's the situation. Basically no one else is working on this or helping me much, so it's sadly not going as fast as it could in a better world. There are people doing other things who mean well, but none of them understand both Critical Rationalism *and* Objectivism – it's just one or the other, at most, which is a big weakness. And they don't have [Paths Forward](http://fallibleideas.com/paths-forward) which basically ruins the possibility of collaboration. And they they think I'm mistaken about some important things but they don't resolve the disagreements by critical discussion.

> Or do I just read the FI stuff and get what I can out of it, knowing that I'll make lots of mistakes and not be able to correct many of them?

That method works OK in some ways. Some people *enjoy* doing that and find it *benefits them* compared to other activities (and are wise enough to only *act on* the ideas they think they understand well enough to use their own judgment about acting on the idea in their own life). However, the success rate of getting from there to being a great philosopher is poor. It's not a good method for having an FI life, it's a method for having your existing life with some extra tips and tricks.]]>
Tue, 18 Sep 2018 13:37:18 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11212 http://curi.us/comments/show/11212
beginner Do Primarily Easy Things – Increasing The Productivity Of Your Intellectual Labor Vs. Consumption
How do I get better at these two things? Are there step-by-step instructions for doing this that work for most people?

Or do I just read the FI stuff and get what I can out of it, knowing that I'll make lots of mistakes and not be able to correct many of them?]]>
Tue, 18 Sep 2018 13:14:49 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11211 http://curi.us/comments/show/11211
Anonymous Open Discussion
> Forstall: Whenever I ate with Steve, he insisted on paying for me, which I thought was a little odd. Even if we went in together and he selected something quick like premade sushi, and I ordered a pizza in the wood-burning pizza oven, he would wait for me at the cash register for 10, 15 minutes. I felt so awkward. Finally, I told him. “Seriously, I can pay for myself, so please don't stand there and wait for me.” He said, “Scott, you don't understand. You know how we pay by swiping your badge and then it’s deducted from your salary? I only get paid a dollar year! Every time I swipe we get a free meal!” Here was this multibillionaire putting one over on the company he founded, a few dollars at a time.]]>
Tue, 18 Sep 2018 12:34:11 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11210 http://curi.us/comments/show/11210
Anonymous Open Discussion
> Scott Forstall (SVP of software, 1997–2012): Those buildings were mazes. Every time I would bring someone on campus, they would get lost. There’s only one time I remember someone not getting lost, and it was when we were working on a screen reader for sight-challenged people. I brought someone in who needed a seeing-eye dog. He asked to use the restroom. Every other time this happened, I would wait because they would get lost trying to find their way back. Left, right, left, right, right. Five minutes later his dog brings him right back into the room. That seeing-eye dog was the only one who knew his way around the very first time.]]>
Tue, 18 Sep 2018 12:31:51 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11209 http://curi.us/comments/show/11209
Anonymous Open Discussion
> Cook: It was an awful time. The stock crashed, it goes down by 60 to 70 percent. We get a call from Ted Waitt, founder of Gateway. He wants to talk about acquiring Apple. Steve and I went to a meeting with Waitt and their CEO, and it’s a different Steve. Very calm, listening to the comments they made, how they’d probably keep the Apple brand. I was sitting there feeling like my organs were being cut out. Then they said maybe they could come up with a role for Steve, and I’m thinking—he’s going to blow! He’s going to blow any minute! Then they start talking about price. And Steve looks at them—he could look at you with eyes that just penetrated your soul—and says, “Who do you think is worth more, Apple or Gateway?” The meeting lasted only two or three minutes more. And in a few weeks they had some accounting scandal, and their stock crashed.

omg, that question from Steve :D]]>
Tue, 18 Sep 2018 12:18:27 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11208 http://curi.us/comments/show/11208
Anonymous Open Discussion
> Schiller: We’re like, “Steve! Newton customers are picketing! What do you want to do? They’re angry.” And Steve said, “They have every right to be angry. They love Newton. It’s a great product, and we have to kill it, and that’s not fun, so we have to get them coffee and doughnuts and send it down to them and tell them we love them and we’re sorry and we support them.”]]>
Tue, 18 Sep 2018 12:15:28 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11207 http://curi.us/comments/show/11207
Anonymous Open Discussion
> 17-YEAR-OLD STUDENT PILOT LANDS HER PLANE WITHOUT A WHEEL!

They do a good job of staying calm and handling the situation in a reasonable manner.]]>
Tue, 18 Sep 2018 12:10:06 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11206 http://curi.us/comments/show/11206
oh my god it's turpentine Open Discussion Tue, 18 Sep 2018 10:53:15 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11205 http://curi.us/comments/show/11205 Antidepressants Harm JC Letter to Jordan Peterson on Antidepressants and Rational Discussion
The drugs may feel harmless at first, but the trials only run for 6 weeks at best - and yet - many who take the drugs are stuck on them for life.

As the years go by, systems start to fail, mysterious ailments like IBS, chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia, restless legs, akathisia, anhedonia, dystonias and dyskinesias crop up. The doctors tell you it is a mystery, but never look to the drugs.

Your eyesight might fail, but the ophthalmologist never mentions the anticholinergic effects of dry eye on your vision - or worse, the damage to your eyes by some of these drugs.

i could go on and on. To remove yourself from drugs - Peterson's ketogenic approach is actually a valid method of mood management - you have to take charge of your own mood. If you cannot adjust your mood, who can? No drug will ever fix your mood. I recommend www.survivingantidepressants.org for tapering information.]]>
Tue, 18 Sep 2018 06:49:25 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11204 http://curi.us/comments/show/11204
Anonymous Critical Rationalism Criticisms?
lmao]]>
Mon, 17 Sep 2018 23:48:51 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11203 http://curi.us/comments/show/11203
Anonymous Open Discussion Mon, 17 Sep 2018 23:27:31 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11202 http://curi.us/comments/show/11202 Anonymous Open Discussion Mon, 17 Sep 2018 21:57:59 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11201 http://curi.us/comments/show/11201 Anonymous Open Discussion
Postmodernism on the right.]]>
Mon, 17 Sep 2018 21:46:11 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11200 http://curi.us/comments/show/11200
Anonymous Open Discussion: Economics
> Venezuela’s Maduro Orders 3,500 Percent Increase in Minimum Wage … 40 Percent of Businesses Close]]>
Mon, 17 Sep 2018 21:32:40 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11199 http://curi.us/comments/show/11199
Kate Open Discussion
Criticisms such as:
- so far this drug has only been tried out in a few/no other people (compared to this other drug that thousands of ppl took)
- this drug lacks a causal explanation that makes sense
- the study examining this drug has major problems with bias
- etc.

I'm thinking that any good, pro-criticism, error-correcting ideas that are somewhat reflected by the hierarchy of evidence (e.g. ideas about needing to expose drugs to rigorous, empirical testing and ideas about wanting to reduce bias) can just be incorporated into the process as general criticisms.]]>
Mon, 17 Sep 2018 14:53:22 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11198 http://curi.us/comments/show/11198
Anonymous Open Discussion

This is backwards. You should start with a problem and seek solutions, not take a potential solution and go look for problems to use it on.

@testing, there are many different types so a single ranking of amount of testing is rly hard and again u should start with the problem first and then try to devise some kinda ranking (or non-ranking) that will help with that problem, don't start with the ranking. but a reasonably generically useful thing to consider is: did a bunch of ppl take this drug and nothing awful appeared to happen? that's different than few/no ppl tried it yet. and it can matter if ppl have tried taking it long term already, or just short term.]]>
Mon, 17 Sep 2018 12:53:36 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11197 http://curi.us/comments/show/11197
curi Donald Trump is a Moderate
https://web.archive.org/web/20161201020817/https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/trade/

i think it's awful that trump takes down his recent campaign info. he's still president, he ran on this info, and it's already offline. wtf????]]>
Mon, 17 Sep 2018 11:22:36 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11196 http://curi.us/comments/show/11196
Kate Open Discussion
> You shouldn't rank drugs by the types of studies that failed to refute them.

Is there some usefulness in ranking study designs, though? I’m trying to figure out exactly what should be ranked, if anything at all. More on this below.

> If you want to rank drugs better, consider which ones have better *causal explanations* regarding how they work, and which just have selective attention on correlations.

ok

> The role of empirical research should be primarily for inspiration and criticism; it can't directly tell you answers about what works or why. Drugs which haven't yet been exposed to much analysis or criticism can be seen as untested/unproven,

Oh, maybe this is what can be usefully ranked? Can study designs be usefully ranked according to the extent to which they expose drugs to criticism involving empirical testing and/or further analysis (e.g. a meta-analysis of RCTs)? I like this better than my vague idea that study designs are ranked based on the quality of evidence they provide.

For example, some guy’s idea that hasn’t been tried out on anyone yet regarding the efficacy of a drug (this would actually be considered “no study”) < a case study examining the efficacy of the drug in a single person who took it < a RCT examining the efficacy of the drug in 4000 people who took it.

Each level of study design rank *only* conveys that there’s been further exposure to criticism involving empirical testing and/or further analysis.

Each level of study design rank does not directly tell us answers about which drugs are better. We find out that some drugs are better when other drugs get criticized for not being as efficacious (or for causing intolerable side effects, for having explanations that focus on correlations and not causality, or for something else). Is what I’m saying compatible with CR?

> which is a different kind of thing than trying to estimate if they work or not and which is only a secondary issue, not the main issue (the main issue being whether there's knowledge about it working).

Continuing with my current guess:

So, it’s important not to look at drugs that so far have only been studied in e.g. “low-rank” (my terminology from above) case studies and try to estimate whether or not the drugs will work. A low level of exposure to criticism involving empirical testing doesn’t necessarily mean a drug is ineffective. Just like a low level of exposure to criticism doesn’t necessarily mean an idea is mistaken.

But the thing to do is to provide that needed criticism for drugs in the form of argument (e.g. a lack of causal explanation) and/or substantial empirical testing (e.g. a RCT that better uncovers a lack of efficacy or intolerable side effects). Is this close?]]>
Mon, 17 Sep 2018 09:56:13 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11195 http://curi.us/comments/show/11195
Anonymous Donald Trump is a Moderate
the link in the words "trade deficits" 404s now.]]>
Mon, 17 Sep 2018 04:19:21 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11194 http://curi.us/comments/show/11194
curi Do Primarily Easy Things – Increasing The Productivity Of Your Intellectual Labor Vs. Consumption
The FI essays are somewhat abstract instead of telling you exactly what to do in your life, but they have to be in order to be generic. I don't know what your life goals are, your values and preferences are, etc. I can't apply philosophy to your specific life in a generic for-everyone way. This can be done to some extent with narrower topics than FI in general, e.g. diet, and in many cases this has been done and the material is available.

Why don't you say, briefly, what one problem is that you're running into early on with the existing FI materials that already, to some approximation, do the thing you're asking for. What is a way that the approximation (the differences between what they are and what you asked for) breaks down for you?]]>
Sun, 16 Sep 2018 14:39:55 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11193 http://curi.us/comments/show/11193
beginner Do Primarily Easy Things – Increasing The Productivity Of Your Intellectual Labor Vs. Consumption
I want something like "FI for Dummies: How to Get Started in 10 Easy Steps and Then Continue Progressing Step By Step". Not really possible?]]>
Sun, 16 Sep 2018 14:25:26 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11192 http://curi.us/comments/show/11192
Anonymous Open Discussion
Yes you're making lots of mistakes due to epistemological ignorance. You yourself say "vaguely". You shouldn't rank drugs by the types of studies that failed to refute them.

If you want to rank drugs better, consider which ones have better *causal explanations* regarding how they work, and which just have selective attention on correlations. The role of empirical research should be primarily for inspiration and criticism; it can't directly tell you answers about what works or why. Drugs which haven't yet been exposed to much analysis or criticism can be seen as untested/unproven, which is a different kind of thing than trying to estimate if they work or not and which is only a secondary issue, not the main issue (the main issue being whether there's knowledge about it working).

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@FF that sux :(]]>
Sun, 16 Sep 2018 12:49:26 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11191 http://curi.us/comments/show/11191
Anonymous Preferences and Indifference – Comments on Walter Blocks' Article
https://mises.org/library/choice-and-preference]]>
Sun, 16 Sep 2018 12:38:25 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11190 http://curi.us/comments/show/11190
curi Preferences and Indifference – Comments on Walter Blocks' Article
what the fuck. correctly figuring out what someone *else* would agree with is not *introspection*.]]>
Sun, 16 Sep 2018 12:26:32 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11189 http://curi.us/comments/show/11189
Bryan Caplan curi Preferences and Indifference – Comments on Walter Blocks' Article
https://mises.org/library/probability-common-sense-and-realism-reply-hülsmann-and-block

> The basic principles of probability are simply self-evident. It is self-evident that one holds beliefs with some degree of certainty.[3] It is self-evident that the degree of belief must vary from impossible to certain. It is self-evident that intermediate degrees of belief can be compared to each other (Bush was more likely to win than Gore) and to any point on the probability spectrum (Bush was more than 50 percent likely to win).

jfc. I knew from elsewhere that Caplan was a Bayesian, but plenty of Bayesians are better than a bunch of bald assertions that their epistemology is self-evident (and does that as the opening of their attempt to debate with someone who does not find those claims self-evident).

He goes on to say:

> One probability judgment I make is that flat-footed appeals to self-evi- dence are unlikely to win over my critics.[5]

So he knows it's a terrible *rhetorical* approach, but he did it anyway. I think the reason he did it is that's seriously his position on epistemology – these things are *self-evident* (i wonder why they aren't probabilistic).

if it's self-evident, doesn't that mean everyone who denies it is wickedly resisting the truth, and it's not a good-faith disagreement?

anyway all this probability crap has been refuted by CR, which is sooo much better. and there are no paths forward there. Caplan won't engage with CR. zzzzzz]]>
Sun, 16 Sep 2018 12:17:47 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11188 http://curi.us/comments/show/11188
FF Open Discussion Sun, 16 Sep 2018 07:05:52 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11187 http://curi.us/comments/show/11187 FF Open Discussion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_books_considered_the_worst#Atlas_Shrugged_(Ayn_Rand,_1957)]]>
Sun, 16 Sep 2018 07:04:33 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11186 http://curi.us/comments/show/11186
Kate Open Discussion
>Different metrics of evidence quality are used for different purposes. (Though such things are overrated and often no such metric is needed.)

Is there a useful metric (and ranking) of evidence quality associated with the hierarchy of evidence? Is there some salvageable value there? Or is it useless?

> Kate, you don't know what you're talking about and are overreaching. You are not taking appropriate steps to learn this subject, nor are you even making clear what your conversational goal is.

I use the hierarchy of evidence (which vaguely in my mind ranks study designs based on their quality of experimental evidence) as a factor when comparing different medical treatment options to go with. e.g. see #11176.

One of my conversational goals is to understand whether I'm making a mistake.]]>
Sun, 16 Sep 2018 04:32:37 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11185 http://curi.us/comments/show/11185
Dagny Open Discussion

wait are sentences 2 and 3 there actually supposed to be relevant to sentence 1? are they supposed to be arguments for non-ignorance? but the main relevant thing is ignorance *of Critical Rationalism* and those don't even claim to know the first thing about CR, and actually both sentences contradict CR (with no sign the author knows that he's contradicting CR).

i initially read it as disconnected hostility, but it could actually be intended to be connected. regardless, sentence 3 is certainly disconnected from the issues – the discussion was about the pyramid and the philosophy behind it, not about the goals of research design. (also he doesn't say authoritarian control *of what*, so that's vague). also the claims about attempting to improve error correction are, well let's just say citation needed. that is not a standard thing for most ppl to say is their goal. he seems to be transplanting a bit of CR and attributed it to non-CR ppl b/c, while they didn't actually say it, they seem reasonable so they must mean it!?]]>
Sun, 16 Sep 2018 01:31:11 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11184 http://curi.us/comments/show/11184
Dagny Open Discussion
oops i didn't check the quote authors at first. but then i realized he was insulting me, not curi, this time. well, i await a of refutation of the so-called stretch.]]>
Sun, 16 Sep 2018 01:22:01 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11183 http://curi.us/comments/show/11183
Dagny Open Discussion Sun, 16 Sep 2018 01:10:00 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11182 http://curi.us/comments/show/11182 Anonymous Open Discussion
> The principle of charity is commonly used to attack and pressure people – like you've just done – in ways that do not related to the actual issues at stake. It's a way to attack without refuting a word of the argument.

Perhaps that pressure is necessary. I have not much refuted an argument if I am refuting a strawman. When people criticize Popper but aren't actually attacking the positions he *actually* held you're right to dismiss that criticism would you not agree?

> From your position of total ignorance of the issues, how can you say whether curi's evaluation is fair? I think he's exactly right and it's very important and he's doing the world a favor by understanding this and sharing information about it with anyone who will listen – he's contributing to problem solving. You are trying to suppress his outlier ideas with social pressure by accusing him of being uncharitable while not trying to pursue the actual issues.

Total ignorance is a bit of a stretch. I've done enough research to distinguish what I would consider weak and strong studies. However, I don't have to be an expert in research design to know that the goal is not authoritarian control but an attempt to improve error correction.]]>
Sat, 15 Sep 2018 18:18:30 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11181 http://curi.us/comments/show/11181
Dagny Open Discussion
Different metrics of evidence quality are used for different purposes. (Though such things are overrated and often no such metric is needed.)

Kate, you don't know what you're talking about and are overreaching. You are not taking appropriate steps to learn this subject, nor are you even making clear what your conversational goal is.]]>
Sat, 15 Sep 2018 16:20:28 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11180 http://curi.us/comments/show/11180
Kate Open Discussion
If so, is it useful to rank them according to this difference?]]>
Sat, 15 Sep 2018 16:12:33 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11179 http://curi.us/comments/show/11179
Dagny Open Discussion Sat, 15 Sep 2018 10:19:54 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11178 http://curi.us/comments/show/11178 Kate Open Discussion
>To clarify, I'm not criticizing treatment A itself. It could still be good. But I'm criticizing me going with it right now because it has given much of a demonstration on how it'll actually work in reality (yet).

[...] because it *hasn't* given much of a demonstration on how it'll actually work in reality (yet).]]>
Sat, 15 Sep 2018 07:49:51 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11177 http://curi.us/comments/show/11177
Kate Open Discussion
Suppose treatment A has been investigated in a case study (someone took treatment A, they were watched over a period of time, and then their disease improved). Suppose treatment B has been investigated in a RCT involving 4000 people. It also showed improvement of the disease.

I don't have any criticisms of how the studies themselves were performed. For being a case study, it was performed properly. For being a RCT, it was performed properly.

I have the disease in question. I'm considering treatment A vs B. Should I criticize *the idea of me going with treatment A* on the grounds that the only evidence that it actually works in reality is a single case study? Is that an invalid criticism?

To clarify, I'm not criticizing treatment A itself. It could still be good. But I'm criticizing me going with it right now because it has given much of a demonstration on how it'll actually work in reality (yet).]]>
Sat, 15 Sep 2018 07:38:48 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11176 http://curi.us/comments/show/11176
Anonymous Open Discussion
> I don't think that's the most charitable interpretation of this. It could well come close to straw-manning what is intended with this.
>
> It is not about popularity or even authority.

RCTs are put above cohort studies. But if a cohort study contradicts an RCT then it's possible that the RCT is wrong because it was conducted badly. So what's relevant is whether there is a criticism of the study, not what kind of study it is. So this diagram is about assigning authority not about how to make judgements rationally.

> These methods have been developed through the years as a way to defend against bias, and keep us form error correcting.

These methods are tools. People have to judge when and how to use a given tool and they can make bad decisions. So ranking the tools doesn't make sense.

> It is certainly not a blatant attack on thinking.

The diagram is an attack on thinking since it ranks studies by their methods rather than considering whether a person has an unanswered criticism of the study.

> I also think that the power of expert opinion goes only as far as their ability to explain their theories or positions.

This is also true or non-expert opinion, and all the kinds of studies in that diagram.]]>
Sat, 15 Sep 2018 03:07:13 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11175 http://curi.us/comments/show/11175
Dagny Open Discussion
The principle of charity is commonly used to attack and pressure people – like you've just done – in ways that do not related to the actual issues at stake. It's a way to attack without refuting a word of the argument.

From your position of total ignorance of the issues, how can you say whether curi's evaluation is fair? I think he's exactly right and it's very important and he's doing the world a favor by understanding this and sharing information about it with anyone who will listen – he's contributing to problem solving. You are trying to suppress his outlier ideas with social pressure by accusing him of being uncharitable while not trying to pursue the actual issues.

You seem to be under the impression that authoritarians don't exist – or at least not among groups that say they aren't authoritarian. Or something. Maybe it's because you're confusing epistemological authoritarians with political authoritarians. But most academics are political authoritarians too, so that wouldn't even be a bad bet.]]>
Fri, 14 Sep 2018 23:02:11 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11174 http://curi.us/comments/show/11174
curi Open Discussion Fri, 14 Sep 2018 22:24:20 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11173 http://curi.us/comments/show/11173 Andy Open Discussion
It is not about popularity or even authority.

The whole goal is to keep us from fooling ourselves, as we are the easiest people to fool.

These methods have been developed through the years as a way to defend against bias, and keep us form error correcting.

It is certainly not a blatant attack on thinking. I also think that the power of expert opinion goes only as far as their ability to explain their theories or positions. How do we differentiate the distrust of someone because they are fallible and a system that makes it less likely to fall prey to cognitive biases?

I may not have a full grasp of that side or yours but I do not think you presented it in a way that is in accord with the principle of charity.]]>
Fri, 14 Sep 2018 21:24:31 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11172 http://curi.us/comments/show/11172
curi Open Discussion
(Image from https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Hierarchy-of-evidence-pyramid-The-pyramidal-shape-qualitatively-integrates-the-amount-of_fig1_311504831 )

this is all about *who should rule* – which authority is best?

it's authoritarian and is a major force destroying the world (cuz it's so popular)

the method of judging things by their authority should be entirely rejected, and all that should matter is criticisms of them.

there is no purpose to a hierarchy of evidence. it's only used to reject ideas which are not refuted, or to defend ones which are, both of which are the epitome of irrationality.

all research done by ppl with such ideas is tainted. not all worthless, but tainted and the useful bits and pieces must be gathered and rescued by better men who can tell the difference.

which is most research.

it's also a blatant attack on thinking, which it lists at the bottom]]>
Fri, 14 Sep 2018 17:49:14 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11171 http://curi.us/comments/show/11171
curi Open Discussion: Economics Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:27:40 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11170 http://curi.us/comments/show/11170 Dagny Open Discussion: Economics Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:23:20 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11169 http://curi.us/comments/show/11169 Andy Open Discussion: Economics Fri, 14 Sep 2018 13:52:05 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11168 http://curi.us/comments/show/11168 Anonymous Open Discussion Fri, 14 Sep 2018 11:05:21 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11167 http://curi.us/comments/show/11167 Anonymous Open Discussion
I think I'm going to get the XR. The processor is the same as the XS. I don't care about the screen or camera not being quite as good.]]>
Fri, 14 Sep 2018 10:27:25 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11166 http://curi.us/comments/show/11166
Dagny Open Discussion: Economics Thu, 13 Sep 2018 23:41:13 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11165 http://curi.us/comments/show/11165 Dagny Open Discussion Thu, 13 Sep 2018 23:37:59 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11164 http://curi.us/comments/show/11164 Andy Open Discussion: Economics Thu, 13 Sep 2018 20:13:34 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11163 http://curi.us/comments/show/11163 Andy Open Discussion Thu, 13 Sep 2018 18:04:52 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11162 http://curi.us/comments/show/11162 Anonymous Open Discussion Thu, 13 Sep 2018 18:02:15 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11161 http://curi.us/comments/show/11161 Anonymous Open Discussion: Economics
Suppose that were true – that for some reason, in current circumstances, minimum wage laws (that are semi-low limits) don't cause much additional unemployment. It would tell you nothing about which factors made it true, and nothing about what changes to society (which might happen any day now) would make it stop being true.]]>
Thu, 13 Sep 2018 14:57:00 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11160 http://curi.us/comments/show/11160
Andy Open Discussion: Economics
Even if the measure of unemployment is flawed. Would the base change still no matter. So let's say that unemployment is at 10% before the minimum wage increase. It then remains at 10% post minimum wage increase.]]>
Thu, 13 Sep 2018 14:44:36 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11159 http://curi.us/comments/show/11159
Anonymous Open Discussion Thu, 13 Sep 2018 13:03:33 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11158 http://curi.us/comments/show/11158 Dagny Open Discussion: Economics Thu, 13 Sep 2018 12:45:26 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11157 http://curi.us/comments/show/11157 curi Open Discussion: Economics
1) We already have unemployment. We clearly don't have a liberal-capitalist system in place – at most we have something which partially resembles it. So it'd be really important to figure out what is causing our existing unemployment before trying to analyze the effect of minimum wage on unemployment. One of the many things that could happen is unemployment could stay the same because the existing causes are reduced, but minimum wage is increased – we could shift the causes of unemployment to be less of the prior causes and more from minimum wage, with no change in the number of unemployed people. That is one of the many things that requires thought and analysis before one can reach a conclusion. And more generally, it's hopeless to get anywhere with these matters without a concept of what the existing causes of unemployment are. Like, an Austrian economist might think *existing* minimum wage laws are involved with existing unemployment, but would also be able to come up with many other issues. And what is the intellectual counter-position of the study authors? They are doing this kind of empirical research to dodge intellectual debate and conceptual thinking, so it's counter-productive trash.

2) Measuring unemployment is hard and common stats about it are awful quality. They do things like stop counting someone as unemployed if they gave up on getting a job and haven't been looking for a job for 6 months (IIRC, offhand).]]>
Thu, 13 Sep 2018 12:36:52 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11156 http://curi.us/comments/show/11156
curi Open Discussion: Economics
1) People can accept the conclusions on authority.

2) Activists can cite it and use it as conversational ammo.

3) Someone can translate it to layman's terms.

The translations typically lose most of the details and come out something like this:

https://www.vox.com/cards/minimum-wage-explained/does-the-minimum-wage-cause-unemployment

There are a lack of translations somewhere in the middle: understandable by intelligent laymen while still being substantial, serious content. (This sort of translation is one of the things IDW speakers are very good at either presenting or appearing to present. Correctly or not, having done adequate expert research or not, they do speak of sophisticated ideas while using words that laymen can follow.)

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In addition to not really trying to be understood, the paper doesn't engage with the literature (by Mises and his predecessors and successors), which it allegedly refutes. It's not trying to help you see where logical economic thinking went wrong. It doesn't explain that. Why not? Because it can't. The authors have no answers to such things. And they don't want to think about it. They don't want to say "That's weird. Our empirical research seems to be in contradiction to logic. We better investigate. Until we figure out the logical mistake in liberal, capitalist economics, we must also be aware that our research could be mistaken. There must be a mistake somewhere and until we find it we don't know what it is."

That project – figuring out where the mistake is (since when ideas contradict there's always at least one mistake) – is the way to make progress. It's the way to pursue truth seeking. The paper authors don't help you with it. They don't want to. They leave that to you because truth seeking isn't what they are doing. They don't aim to do their research, or write their papers, in a way which particularly facilitates truth seeking. This is partly because, if they made truth seeking easier, they would more easily be revealed as intellectual imposters who are mistaken. So they neglect to lay out, step by step, which parts of liberal-capitalist economic logic they think is correct and which parts they suspect of being mistaken and why and how they think the correct and incorrect parts may be separated despite their apparent logical connections. Besides, they can't do that because they are ignorant of liberal-capitalist economics – and they want to stay that way (ignorant), and their peers and employers pressure them to say that way.

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The paper is basically meaningless because it neglects thousands of *uncontrolled factors*. What it's basically saying (even if it were true) is, "We found that, empirically, *in a set of circumstances we looked at*, some small minimum wage increases didn't increase unemployment by a large amount." I read little of it, but roughly it's saying something in that ballpark. This tells you nothing about what the effects of minimum wage would be in other circumstances, nor does it tell you how stable current circumstances are, nor which aspects of the analyze circumstances are the crucial ones. They think their findings are robust across many circumstances. Let's suppose so. It'd still bet he case that changing one or two key factors would totally change what happens. And they have no idea which factors are key factors, and are doing nothing to find out. Maybe the moment a certain type of government regulation or welfare was abolished, minimum wage would instantly become massively harmful. Who knows? They don't know. And, refraining from logical, economic thinking, they have no way to find out or contribute anything. (I'm extremely doubtful of their actual findings, but the point is that even if they were right it'd still be pretty damn useless. It's the same issue as correlation studies in general: even if the correlation holds today, the study doesn't tell you what changes in circumstances would make the correlation stop holding.)]]>
Thu, 13 Sep 2018 12:29:57 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11155 http://curi.us/comments/show/11155
Andy Open Discussion: Economics
http://www.sole-jole.org/17722.pdf

To be honest I don't understand the Math involved in this study. I never heard of a Bunching Estimator and when I look at the methodology I might as well be reading something in a foreign language.]]>
Thu, 13 Sep 2018 11:16:28 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11154 http://curi.us/comments/show/11154
Andy Open Discussion Thu, 13 Sep 2018 10:38:17 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11153 http://curi.us/comments/show/11153 Anonymous Open Discussion Thu, 13 Sep 2018 06:40:40 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11152 http://curi.us/comments/show/11152 Anonymous Open Discussion
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Thu, 13 Sep 2018 01:09:48 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11151 http://curi.us/comments/show/11151
Anonymous Open Discussion Thu, 13 Sep 2018 00:58:33 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11150 http://curi.us/comments/show/11150 curi Open Discussion: Economics Thu, 13 Sep 2018 00:22:35 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11149 http://curi.us/comments/show/11149 Anonymous Open Discussion Thu, 13 Sep 2018 00:15:37 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11148 http://curi.us/comments/show/11148 Andy Open Discussion: Economics
> If not, got further questions and objections?

> If so, do you see how not everything is about research and sometimes logic and math are goods tool? And got any ideas about what's going on with the pro-minimum-wage "experts" or want to find out?

I think I am convinced. I don't think I have the knowledge to refute most of the links I've given you though. So I'd like to find out.]]>
Thu, 13 Sep 2018 00:03:26 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11147 http://curi.us/comments/show/11147
Anonymous Discord Discussions Wed, 12 Sep 2018 18:02:49 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11146 http://curi.us/comments/show/11146 Anonymous Open Discussion
leaked video of Google leaders hating Trump and expressing their desire to use their control over information for political activism.

> (00:01:12) Returning to seriousness, Brin says he is “deeply offen[ded]” by the election of Trump, and that the election “conflicts with many of [Google’s] values.”

> (00:09:10) Trying to explain the motivations of Trump supporters, Senior VP for Global Affairs, Kent Walker concludes: “fear, not just in the United States, but around the world is fueling concerns, xenophobia, hatred, and a desire for answers that may or may not be there.”

> (00:09:35) Walker goes on to describe the Trump phenomenon as a sign of “tribalism that’s self-destructive [in] the long-term.”

> (00:09:55) Striking an optimistic tone, Walker assures Google employees that despite the election, “history is on our side” and that the “moral arc of history bends towards progress.”

Then he attacks walls.

> (00:13:10) CFO Ruth Porat appears to break down in tears when discussing the election result.

> (00:15:20) Porat promises that Google will “use the great strength and resources and reach we have to continue to advance really important values.”

> (00:20:24) Eileen Noughton, VP of People Operations, promises that Google’s policy team in DC is “all over” the immigration issue and that the company will “keep a close watch on it.”

> (00:23:12) Noughton does acknowledge “diversity of opinion and political persuasion” and notes that she has heard from conservative Google employees who say they “haven’t felt entirely comfortable revealing who [they] are.” and urged “tolerance.” (Several months later, the company would fire James Damore allegedly for disagreeing with progressive narratives.)

> (00:27:30) Sergey Brin praises an audience member’s suggestion of increasing matched Google employee donations to progressive groups.

> (00:34:40) Brin compares Trump voters to “extremists,” arguing for a correlation between the economic background of Trump supporters and the kinds of voters who back extremist movements. Brin says that “voting is not a rational act” and that not all of Trump’s support can be attributed to “income disparity.” He suggests that Trump voters might have been motivated by boredom rather than legitimate concerns.

> (00:54:33) An employee asks what Google is going to do about “misinformation” and “fake news” shared by “low-information voters.” Pichai responds by stating that “investments in machine learning and AI” are a “big opportunity” to fix the problem.]]>
Wed, 12 Sep 2018 16:53:04 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11145 http://curi.us/comments/show/11145
Anonymous Open Discussion
> We noticed that you haven't logged into your ESL account within least 4 years and we are writing to inform you that we will unfortunately have to close your account soon. We are forced to do this due to the GDPR policy that prevents us from keeping the user data for more than 4 more years.

GDPR sux.]]>
Wed, 12 Sep 2018 16:22:17 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11144 http://curi.us/comments/show/11144
Anonymous Open Discussion: Economics Wed, 12 Sep 2018 16:16:14 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11143 http://curi.us/comments/show/11143 Anonymous Open Discussion: Economics
> “So, we know that a sizable number of minimum-wage earners are not in need of a wage that can support a household. But what of the minimum-wage earners who are? We are told repeatedly that minimum wage is not a living wage, so why are not more minimum wage earners simply starving to death? In reality workers earn two wages: one from their employer and one from the state. For example, someone making the current full-time minimum wage earns $15,000 per year, but they are also eligible for additional government benefits that bring their total remuneration to approximately $35,000 per year if they are childless, or up to $52,000 year if they have children.5 In fact, earning more does not necessarily help one wean himself off this state sponsored support. As wages rise assistance can often decline so precipitously that even earning $1 more can mean a loss of thousands of dollars in aid. This creates a disincentive for the worker to improve and earn more; the perverse incentive here is that we are rewarding the very thing we are trying to eliminate (low wages). These wage subsidies serve only to pervert the normal incentives present in an exchange between employer and employee. Both the employer and the employee are aware of the subsidies, so each is willing to offer less and accept less rather than demand more and offer more.

> At first blush one might conclude the employer is making out like a bandit. But there is no free lunch — the subsidies have to come from somewhere. Taxes fund these subsidies. So the employer is not necessarily paying less if its taxes fund the very subsidies its employees are receiving. In fact many employers pay more on net. All employers pay taxes, but only some receive the benefit of subsidized wages. This is a net redistribution from one class of company to another. In essence we are forcing high wage companies to pay low wage companies to keep their wages low.”

> Welfare, Minimum Wages, and Unemployment | Gregory Morin
> https://mises.org/library/welfare-minimum-wages-and-unemployment
> via Instapaper]]>
Wed, 12 Sep 2018 15:58:44 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11142 http://curi.us/comments/show/11142
curi Open Discussion: Economics
If not, got further questions and objections?

If so, do you see how not everything is about research and sometimes logic and math are goods tool? And got any ideas about what's going on with the pro-minimum-wage "experts" or want to find out?]]>
Wed, 12 Sep 2018 14:08:27 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11141 http://curi.us/comments/show/11141
Anonymous Open Discussion
https://conjecturesandrefutations.com/2018/09/12/eu-copyright-directive/#comment-4965]]>
Wed, 12 Sep 2018 14:00:46 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11140 http://curi.us/comments/show/11140
Anonymous Open Discussion
![](https://curi.us/img/umbpGKnQ9tXE671-505x596.png)

There's no way that's what Jeff Bezos wants his managers to do about injuries. He probably considers it just as immoral as most other people reading this news story. And it's bad business. You'll get sued. It'll alienate your better employees. If a culture like that gets established (which this anecdote does *not* demonstrate), it'll be hard to fix it and hire good managers. The guy who doesn't care about injuries is also a bad employee who does other things wrong. Being this degree of hard ass is not how to efficiently deliver stuff.

It makes a big difference whether this is actually Amazon policy, or a bad manager. Hiring good people is hard – it's hard to tell, from an interview, how they'll behave.]]>
Wed, 12 Sep 2018 09:49:44 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11139 http://curi.us/comments/show/11139
Anonymous Open Discussion: Economics
I agree there were major upsides. That is not, however, a comparison to potential upsides from other uses of the money, other organizations of society, etc.

> Do you think something as risky with no guarantee of pay off could be privately funded?

yes]]>
Mon, 10 Sep 2018 22:40:43 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11138 http://curi.us/comments/show/11138
Andy Open Discussion: Economics
We had fantastic benefits from the Space program such as MRI's and CatScans for example. GPS, home insulation, smoke detectors, heart pump technology. The list is quite long.

Do you think something as risky with no guarantee of pay off could be privately funded? I have a hard time wrapping my ahead around that happening. This was not a profitable venture, and the incredibly progress made in science and technology was not immediately felt.

Makes me think of the Columbus voyage.]]>
Mon, 10 Sep 2018 22:20:34 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11137 http://curi.us/comments/show/11137
Anonymous I Changed My Mind About David Deutsch Mon, 10 Sep 2018 19:32:31 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11136 http://curi.us/comments/show/11136 Anonymous Open Discussion
> Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965

> The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 (H.R. 2580; Pub.L. 89–236, 79 Stat. 911, enacted June 30, 1968), also known as the Hart–Celler Act, changed the way quotas were allocated by ending the National Origins Formula that had been in place in the United States since t...

> changed the way quotas were allocated by ending the National Origins Formula that had been in place in the United States since the Emergency Quota Act of 1921.


>The proponents of the Hart–Celler Act argued that it would not significantly influence United States culture. President Johnson called the bill "not a revolutionary bill. It does not affect the lives of millions."[17] Secretary of State Dean Rusk and other politicians, including Senator Ted Kennedy, asserted that the bill would not affect US demographic mix.[2] However, the ethnic composition of immigrants changed following the passage of the law.[18][19] Specifically, the Hart–Celler Act allowed increased numbers of people to migrate to the United States from Asia, Africa, and the Middle East.

> Prior to 1965, the demographics of immigration stood as mostly Europeans; 68 percent of legal immigrants in the 1950s came from Europe and Canada. However, in the years 1971–1991, immigrants from Hispanic and Latin American countries made 47.9 percent of immigrants (with Mexico accounting for 23.7 percent) and immigrants from Asia 35.2 percent. Not only did it change the ethnic makeup of immigration, but it also greatly increased the number of immigrants—immigration constituted 11 percent of the total U.S. population growth between 1960 and 1970, growing to 33 percent from 1970–80, and to 39 percent from 1980–90.[21]

wikipedia is seriously biased but still admits all this. the same article says:

> The 1965 Act marked a change from past U.S. policy which had discriminated against non-northern Europeans.[2]]]>
Mon, 10 Sep 2018 18:56:31 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11135 http://curi.us/comments/show/11135
Anonymous Open Discussion
Epstein is so second-handed and/or panders to those who are. He asks about how Objectivism helped people accomplish things *that are recognized by other people with high social status*. That's ironic given his association with Objectivism and this question being about the value of Objectivism. He should try following Objectivism more!]]>
Mon, 10 Sep 2018 17:10:19 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11134 http://curi.us/comments/show/11134
curi Open Discussion
Someone posted mykl's latest Overwatch YouTube video on reddit. mykl wrote the following comment:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/9emp1m/leaking_florida_mayhem_big_acquisition_3_new/e5pxnzz/

> Sources: Florida mayhem have acquired Xepher via trade from Seoul dynasty. Florida mayhem have signed Apply and HaGoPeun from academy to main OWL roster.

> For those who don’t wanna hear my opinion on this for 10 mins with 6 ads.

I liked it. So did a bunch of people who replied on reddit. (I'm actually going to watch the video later, though of course I use adblock.)]]>
Mon, 10 Sep 2018 10:47:57 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11133 http://curi.us/comments/show/11133
Amazon Censoring PUA Books curi Open Discussion Mon, 10 Sep 2018 10:44:31 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11132 http://curi.us/comments/show/11132 Anonymous Open Discussion
> APPLE HAS PERMANENTLY BANNED ALEX JONES’ INFOWARS APP FROM THE APP STORE

:(

And DF tries to use the authority of Popper to justify it :(]]>
Sat, 08 Sep 2018 17:11:37 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11131 http://curi.us/comments/show/11131
curi Open Discussion: Economics
Because, broadly, they aren't the best and brightest, and they would spend it on consumption expenditures instead of future-oriented investments. The masses would own most of the companies pretty quickly if they saved more money and bought stocks, but as it is they buy more plasma TVs and alcohol than that, and so businessmen – and to a significant extent the middle class too[1] – do a lot of the investing.

> Though some of the riskiest huge projects were government funded like the Space program, and we have benefited enormously from that.

We could have benefitted much more if it had been done privately, and it's unclear to me that we did benefit from the NASA's tax funding relative to what could have been done with that wealth instead but wasn't.

> I guess I am wondering why most Economists, including my professor don't think that the answer is capitalism, and that the whole trickle down idea is a myth.

Because of their extreme ignorance and, in the cases of the leaders of the left, dishonesty and malice. The world is full of bad ideas and few people doing much about them.

[1] It's the capitalism of a previous small minority businessmen who gave up sone consumption to invest in the future that has created enough wealth for many middle class people now to be comfortable enough to save and invest a significant amount.]]>
Fri, 07 Sep 2018 18:29:18 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11130 http://curi.us/comments/show/11130
curi Open Discussion: Economics
There are lots of ways to help people, including at a profit. Furthermore, there are lots of ways to prioritize where to direct help. In general, *productive expenditures* make everyone richer in the long run, whereas charity typically is used for consumption in the short term. And the people who invest in the future are, largely, rich people and businessmen, so it's important they have money to do more of that.

Bill Gates has used his money poorly, he has bad philosophy and doesn't know how to be effective with charity, which is typical (he's not especially bad). A common way money is used badly is as a bandaid for problems caused by underlying political problems that need to be solved or else you're just pouring water (money) into a leaky bucket (bad system).

> Also if we get more money in the hands of people who need to spend it, would that not boost the economy

This is the broken window fallacy – it's focusing on how the window repair guy will get money and ignoring that the money would otherwise be used for something else.

> more than say a Billionaire buying his third Yacht?

Apart from what they give away to charity, billionaires spend the vast majority of the of their money on *capital goods*, not consumer's goods like bread or yachts. A billionaire buying his third yacht is an anti-capitalist straw man with far more application to actors and sports stars than to CEOs and founders.

> I agree that we should reward brilliance (and discourage rent seekers) but you know the cure for Cancer could be in the brain of a young man whose parents might not be able to keep a roof over their heads.

Charity to help the best and brightest is my favorite kind (and Rand's), though I think current scholarship programs largely do a poor job of identifying who to help or figuring out good ways to help them. Poverty is not the primary thing that screws up the potential of the smartest people in the US. It's that they despair after they discover all their teachers, parents and peers are irrational, nasty and dishonest. (Or, before that, it's that their parents hurt them during the first few years of their lives.)]]>
Fri, 07 Sep 2018 18:24:22 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11129 http://curi.us/comments/show/11129
Andy Open Discussion: Economics I don't want to discourage risk takers, as a lot of our biggest gains worldwide were at the back of some incredibly risky endevours. Though some of the riskiest huge projects were government funded like the Space program, and we have benefited enormously from that.

I guess I am wondering why most Economists, including my professor don't think that the answer is capitalism, and that the whole trickle down idea is a myth.
Why is increasing the spending power of the lower classes not good for everyone?]]>
Fri, 07 Sep 2018 18:06:06 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11128 http://curi.us/comments/show/11128
curi Open Discussion: Economics Fri, 07 Sep 2018 17:47:12 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11127 http://curi.us/comments/show/11127 Andy Open Discussion: Economics
> In general, it's bad to want money to go to people who didn't earn that money. If an employee for FooCorp is totally interchangeable with an employee somewhere else, he shouldn't earn extra money just because the CEO of FooCorp is brilliant.

Surely there is a way to help, problems are soluble right?

I think the CEO of 80,000 hours just maxes out at 30Grand a year and donates the rest to effective charities.
Bill gates does a lot of philanthropic work, but not every Billionaire is like Bill Gates. But he has made a tremendous positive impact.

Also if we get more money in the hands of people who need to spend it, would that not boost the economy (not to mention raising education standards etc..) more than say a Billionaire buying his third Yacht?

I agree that we should reward brilliance (and discourage rent seekers) but you know the cure for Cancer could be in the brain of a young man whose parents might not be able to keep a roof over their heads.]]>
Fri, 07 Sep 2018 17:45:13 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11126 http://curi.us/comments/show/11126
curi Open Discussion: Economics
In general, it's bad to want money to go to people who didn't earn that money. If an employee for FooCorp is totally interchangeable with an employee somewhere else, he shouldn't earn extra money just because the CEO of FooCorp is brilliant.]]>
Fri, 07 Sep 2018 17:31:03 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11125 http://curi.us/comments/show/11125
Andy Open Discussion: Economics
>> Published financial data shows that Uber is losing more money than any startup in history and that its ability to capture customers and drivers from incumbent operators is entirely due to $2 billion in annual investor subsidies.

> In other words, some rich investors are pouring tons of money into Uber, which mostly goes to subsidizing a mix of 1) cheap rides for customers; and 2) driver pay.

>> for the year ending September 2015, Uber had GAAP losses of $2 billion on revenue of $1.4 billion, a negative 143% profit margin.

> Jesus.

> If you want to say Travis Kalanick got rich by scamming foolish investors ... maybe, the jury is still out on that. I wouldn't care very much if he did. When rich people make bad financial decisions, that's totally on them. (As opposed to bitcoin which has been scamming lots of foolish regular people, which is an awful shame.) I have nothing against rich people, I just think they should be held responsible for what they do with their money and that they have the resources that they shouldn't be making excuses for bad decisions, and if they do make bad decisions they shouldn't be rich (large wealth should be in the hands of people who make good financial decisions). I think it's fine when foolish rich people become less rich (they were the wrong people to control a fortune), but i don't like to see foolish middle or lower class people becoming worse off (foolish people who do productive work can totally still merit having a regular amount of wealth).


Oh. This might explain some of the fuckery about Uber.]]>
Fri, 07 Sep 2018 17:25:49 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11124 http://curi.us/comments/show/11124
Anonymous Open Discussion: Economics
That's not a bad idea I should try to put up something out there to help people realize if they are making or losing money by driving for Uber. Would at least help someone out there.
But overall I do wish there were better options.

> You may think people can't math, but lots of these people don't have much savings either, so if Uber wasn't paying their rent, gas and grocery bills they would in fact quit (for the full time drivers – a lot of people appreciate the part time work and flexible hours, which they only do because they see it's enabling them to buy things they would not otherwise have been able to buy).

I understand that.

> The secondary reason people drive for Uber is there aren't enough jobs due to many thousands of anti-capitalist government policies that are preventing full employment – like the minimum wage. The overall economic situation would be dramatically improved by changes to government.

Yes and I am willing to explore those policies etc...

> The main purposes of *unions* are to push for higher wages and better working conditions, so they work a lot like minimum wage laws. Similarly, regulations requiring Uber give out benefits would simply lower salaries by the cost of the benefits and not help workers – unless you also use a minimum wage law in order to prevent the lowering of salaries (or unless you exempt Uber's competitors from having to give benefits, so Uber can't lower salaries and stay competitive).

> What regulations do you think would be good to have regarding Uber?

I honestly don't know. I don't know if there is a way to incentivize a company to after they are making a certain profit start reinvesting in their employees somehow. It is hard for me to see a minimum wage working anymore.

Something is definitely fucked with Uber though like, it just does not even make any sense.]]>
Fri, 07 Sep 2018 17:24:42 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11123 http://curi.us/comments/show/11123
curi Open Discussion: Economics
> There have been hundreds of articles claiming that Uber has produced wonderful benefits, but none of these benefits increase consumer welfare because they depended on billions in subsidies.

To the extent Uber's losses were foolish rich people transferring their money to the people who ride in Uber, that sounds like a public benefit to me which increased consumer welfare by giving them cheap transportation. That's like unintentional charity.]]>
Fri, 07 Sep 2018 15:57:13 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11122 http://curi.us/comments/show/11122
curi Open Discussion: Economics
> Published financial data shows that Uber is losing more money than any startup in history and that its ability to capture customers and drivers from incumbent operators is entirely due to $2 billion in annual investor subsidies.

In other words, some rich investors are pouring tons of money into Uber, which mostly goes to subsidizing a mix of 1) cheap rides for customers; and 2) driver pay.

> for the year ending September 2015, Uber had GAAP losses of $2 billion on revenue of $1.4 billion, a negative 143% profit margin.

Jesus.

If you want to say Travis Kalanick got rich by scamming foolish investors ... maybe, the jury is still out on that. I wouldn't care very much if he did. When rich people make bad financial decisions, that's totally on them. (As opposed to bitcoin which has been scamming lots of foolish regular people, which is an awful shame.) I have nothing against rich people, I just think they should be held responsible for what they do with their money and that they have the resources that they shouldn't be making excuses for bad decisions, and if they do make bad decisions they shouldn't be rich (large wealth should be in the hands of people who make good financial decisions). I think it's fine when foolish rich people become less rich (they were the wrong people to control a fortune), but i don't like to see foolish middle or lower class people becoming worse off (foolish people who do productive work can totally still merit having a regular amount of wealth).]]>
Fri, 07 Sep 2018 15:53:11 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11121 http://curi.us/comments/show/11121
curi Open Discussion: Economics
> repeatedly, leaks of Uber's financial data have shown the company carrying huge losses.

Uber doesn't seem to be exploiting workers with huge profit margins, as you imagine. (If they were, presumably lyft would outcompete them by offer better wages and accepting more modest profit margins.) If you forced them to pay drivers more, they'd probably have to raise their prices accordingly or go out of business. So what you'd do is harm all the consumers who purchase uber rides, and you'd also reduce the demand for uber (by not letting them charge prices that will attract lots of customers) and thereby also end up hurting uber drivers too.]]>
Fri, 07 Sep 2018 15:43:35 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11120 http://curi.us/comments/show/11120
curi Open Discussion: Economics
You may think people can't math, but lots of these people don't have much savings either, so if Uber wasn't paying their rent, gas and grocery bills they would in fact quit (for the full time drivers – a lot of people appreciate the part time work and flexible hours, which they only do because they see it's enabling them to buy things they would not otherwise have been able to buy).

The secondary reason people drive for Uber is there aren't enough jobs due to many thousands of anti-capitalist government policies that are preventing full employment – like the minimum wage. The overall economic situation would be dramatically improved by changes to government.

The main purposes of *unions* are to push for higher wages and better working conditions, so they work a lot like minimum wage laws. Similarly, regulations requiring Uber give out benefits would simply lower salaries by the cost of the benefits and not help workers – unless you also use a minimum wage law in order to prevent the lowering of salaries (or unless you exempt Uber's competitors from having to give benefits, so Uber can't lower salaries and stay competitive).

What regulations do you think would be good to have regarding Uber?]]>
Fri, 07 Sep 2018 15:34:46 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11119 http://curi.us/comments/show/11119
Andy Open Discussion: Economics There is a lack of fairness that is undeniable. Now I am no longer convinced that a minimum wage would be a solution theoretically, though the evidence seems to be pointing in against that.
I like the Uber example because it shows that unregulated, not unionized, no benefits etc... business model can benefit a few while taking advantage of the ones in need.]]>
Fri, 07 Sep 2018 13:07:41 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11118 http://curi.us/comments/show/11118
Anonymous Open Discussion Fri, 07 Sep 2018 12:05:00 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11117 http://curi.us/comments/show/11117 Anonymous Open Discussion
https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/09/07/trump-pussy-hat-design-withdrawn-after-gender-furor/]]>
Fri, 07 Sep 2018 11:35:56 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11116 http://curi.us/comments/show/11116
curi Open Discussion
To this question, the person actually replied beginning with a clear answer: "Yes."]]>
Fri, 07 Sep 2018 11:00:43 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11115 http://curi.us/comments/show/11115
curi Open Discussion: Economics
Going through some of the common sorts of government regulation, and what kinda harm they do, could be informative. It's not like humanity just exited our thousands of years of extreme poverty. The industrial revolution was long enough ago that things could be significantly better by now compared to how they are. Did you read the extra couple Reisman sections about laws to improve working conditions? If not, I'd suggest that now.

> I don't think a minimum wage on Uber is going to fix the problem there. Hypothetically more competition would help but the barrier to entry at this point seems quite high. I mean Lyft is their next competitor and they are nowhere near as popular. I don't know what could be done in this scenario to be honest.

I think it's important to get something clear in your mind. Uber competes in two different ways. It competes for customers and for employees. Which is the one that concerns you?

As a *customer* of Uber, I have other options: Lyft, taxis, the bus and other public transit, walking, biking, rental cars (including newer stuff like zipcar), getting a friend to give me a ride, doing more stuff online (facetime, getting things delivered) instead of traveling places, or owning my own car. So there's a lot of options for Uber to compete with. Lyft is not the only major competitor here. I've got options, and Uber didn't take any options away from me (except I think maybe it did lower the availability of taxis, cuz it basically does the same thing at a lower price). If Uber doubled their prices, as a customer I'd use them less and use alternatives more – I wouldn't just be stuck paying the higher prices.

As a potential *employee* of Uber, I have many other options for less skilled work. I could work at McDonalds, Walmart, FedEx, etc. Lyft is not the only major competitor here, either.]]>
Fri, 07 Sep 2018 10:20:31 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11114 http://curi.us/comments/show/11114
curi Open Discussion
Like Facebook, YouTube permalinks don't actually work. But there's only a few comments so you can probably find it. I responded to a hostile comment with:

> So antifa is defensible, but Lauren Southern and Rebel Media are beyond the pale?

Guy is literally defending antifa then tells me that a "balanced discussion" requires not using "far-right" or "anti-left" sources.

He also doesn't understand my honesty in choosing a clear and accurate video title, and thinks I should have lied in the title to hide my actual views – that's the kind of thing he and his lefty social circle do.]]>
Fri, 07 Sep 2018 09:59:46 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11113 http://curi.us/comments/show/11113
Andy Open Discussion: Economics
> We already somewhat covered the situation of some of some workers being potential businessmen. That's basically the same as having the 12 businesses that don't or can't exist at the $61/hour price of labor, but would form with a lower price of labor. It's typical for there to be lots of potential businessmen if the price of labor gets low enough, so it dropping to $1/hr would require a very poor society with little technology or resources, or one that just got ravaged by a war last week, or something else that is unlike the situation anywhere in the US.

I don't think I disagree there.
I think I am fairly convinced by the logic of this Theory. I am still uncomfortable with adopting it because the empirical evidence seems to contradict what we would expect if the theory was correct. So the possibility that the theory is not accounting for something crucial that I can't imagine at the moment still exists.]]>
Fri, 07 Sep 2018 09:14:31 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11112 http://curi.us/comments/show/11112
Anonymous Open Discussion: Economics
I don't think a minimum wage on Uber is going to fix the problem there. Hypothetically more competition would help but the barrier to entry at this point seems quite high. I mean Lyft is their next competitor and they are nowhere near as popular. I don't know what could be done in this scenario to be honest.


I will answer the other 2 paragraphs when I am less tired. I am heading out for the day.]]>
Thu, 06 Sep 2018 23:01:39 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11111 http://curi.us/comments/show/11111
curi Open Discussion: Economics
Also, there are ways we could expand the hypothetical scenario, e.g. by having 3 different industries and some workers can only work in one industry and some are multi-talented. Maybe you can already imagine how those changes to the scenario won't make minimum wage turn out good.

We already somewhat covered the situation of some of some workers being potential businessmen. That's basically the same as having the 12 businesses that don't or can't exist at the $61/hour price of labor, but would form with a lower price of labor. It's typical for there to be lots of potential businessmen if the price of labor gets low enough, so it dropping to $1/hr would require a very poor society with little technology or resources, or one that just got ravaged by a war last week, or something else that is unlike the situation anywhere in the US.]]>
Thu, 06 Sep 2018 22:34:37 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11110 http://curi.us/comments/show/11110
Andy Open Discussion: Economics Thu, 06 Sep 2018 22:24:38 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11109 http://curi.us/comments/show/11109 curi Open Discussion: Economics
Yes! The situation has too few companies to hire people. And higher the minimum wage is, the more potential companies it prevents from forming. Even a minimum wage of $2/hr (which doesn't appear very harmful to the company that could pay up to $50/hr) could prevent a company from forming that could have paid people minimum subsistence or more.

A higher minimum wage also makes it more difficult for existing companies to expand. The company that currently can hire 100 people for up to $50/hour might be able to come up with some way to use more workers less efficiently than the first 100, but still more efficiently than nothing. Maybe they could expand by getting another building that's more expensive, and which is further away from their suppliers of some hard-to-transport components or machinery. Maybe the consumers don't want more of what they're making, but they could start a new product line which isn't as good, but it's way better than nothing. Maybe they can't find enough great managers to hire more workers efficiently, but they can find some additional managers by lowering their standards and using mediocre managers. Then, due to the higher rent, the inferior location, the inferior secondary product line, the worse managers, or whatever else ... they might be able to expand and hire more workers but only at $20/hr or less, not $50/hr.

> Nothing particularly optimal but that wouldnt help the other 900. I guess some sort of charity system to have the 900 not die of starvation. Dunno how.

Charity won't do a good job of helping the 700 unemployed workers much unless it's coming from something outside the system – a different industry that uses a different type of workers (like programmers, and the people we've been talking about can't do that), or production at a different town. Because if the charity has to come from the 100 with jobs, there just isn't going to be enough production to go around, regardless of what wages are.

So what they really need is to be productive somehow, whether that's by some people starting new businesses or by people figuring out productive things they can do on their own (e.g. hunting, farming, picking wild berries, gathering or chopping firewood, weaving baskets, fishing, sewing, etc. or it could be stuff like art or poetry or writing books if there are markets elsewhere that want those things, though i'm guessing there isn't much market for those things in this very badly off town).

Also, the one business is making things a lot better than if it didn't exist, even if it pays $1/hr. That's a lot better than $0/hr. If people seriously can't do anything productive without the help of the one and only person who is capable of being a businessman, they should be extremely thankful he exists and provides them with jobs on any terms.

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Agree about these things?]]>
Thu, 06 Sep 2018 22:22:28 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11108 http://curi.us/comments/show/11108
Andy Open Discussion: Economics
> *Maybe* the following happens: The wages it pays are $1/hr, and a minimum wage law set at up to $50/hr would help the workers. The minimum wage law wouldn't increase production (same amount of stuff to go around if they are the only town in existence), but it'd give them more money to buy things produced by other workers from other towns.



> So then do you think minimum wage would be good, or do you see problems with it? Either way, do you have any ideas besides minimum wage for what things would help in this scenario? And what things besides minimum wage could increase wages above $1/hr?

Ok well I would think that this minimum wage would be good assuming that:
-The workers or someone can't create their own company that pays better
-Moving out of that area is impractical or impossible
-This is the only source of income

But the minimum wage would interfere if a new company wants to move in and hire another 100 workers but can only do it for less than $50. So if i see that company 1 is only paying $1/hour, I'd be willing to start a business even though I am inefficient and pay idk lets say $12/hour. This would be impossible for me if a minimum wage exists.

Some better options. If at all possible make it so new business can enter the scenario to create more wealth and jobs.
Maybe create an incentive for the business to pay their workers more. Perhaps a tax on a certain level of profit that would encourage the business to instead give that money to their employees.
Nothing particularly optimal but that wouldnt help the other 900. I guess some sort of charity system to have the 900 not die of starvation. Dunno how.]]>
Thu, 06 Sep 2018 21:59:03 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11107 http://curi.us/comments/show/11107
curi Open Discussion: Economics
*Maybe* the following happens: The wages it pays are $1/hr, and a minimum wage law set at up to $50/hr would help the workers. The minimum wage law wouldn't increase production (same amount of stuff to go around if they are the only town in existence), but it'd give them more money to buy things produced by other workers from other towns.

So then do you think minimum wage would be good, or do you see problems with it? Either way, do you have any ideas besides minimum wage for what things would help in this scenario? And what things besides minimum wage could increase wages above $1/hr?]]>
Thu, 06 Sep 2018 21:42:52 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11106 http://curi.us/comments/show/11106
Andy Open Discussion: Economics
I was hoping to start analyzing some scenarios in where the empirical data shows the opposite of what the theory suggests and see if it's the theory or if I am missing something.

Unless, you want to keep working with more scenarios I am enjoying the exercise either way.]]>
Thu, 06 Sep 2018 21:32:24 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11105 http://curi.us/comments/show/11105
curi Open Discussion: Economics
It seems like you don't want to work through things logically, one factor at a time? You didn't answer the question about the consequences of minimum wage in the previous scenario (way more workers than jobs). Nor did you begin trying to analyze a new scenario (changed to have fewer businesses) using economic logic. I suggest continuing with that approach.]]>
Thu, 06 Sep 2018 21:28:46 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11104 http://curi.us/comments/show/11104
Andy Open Discussion: Economics Thu, 06 Sep 2018 21:14:21 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11103 http://curi.us/comments/show/11103 Andy Open Discussion: Economics Thu, 06 Sep 2018 20:04:07 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/11102 http://curi.us/comments/show/11102