curi blog discussion Explanations for the curious en-us oh my god it's turpentine Deplatforming and Fraud
> My own forays into Wrongthink have made me the subject of constant bullying by colleagues who disagree with my views. They have called me a Nazi and a racist; I have learned to brush off comments about how I’m “writing about the Jews again.” Several colleagues perceived to be friendly with me were badgered by coworkers. My work and my character are openly demeaned on company-wide Slack channels where masthead editors regularly weigh in. There, some coworkers insist I need to be rooted out if this company is to be a truly “inclusive” one, while others post ax emojis next to my name. Still other New York Times employees publicly smear me as a liar and a bigot on Twitter with no fear that harassing me will be met with appropriate action. They never are.]]>
Thu, 16 Jul 2020 00:13:44 +0000
oh my god it's turpentine Deplatforming and Fraud]]>
Thu, 16 Jul 2020 00:06:56 +0000
curi Mario Odyssey Discussion Wed, 15 Jul 2020 18:26:17 +0000 speedrunning session 6 sleepy idiot Mario Odyssey Discussion
I practiced it 4 times.

I didn't make a noticeable improvement. I think this is because I didn't play for a long time.

I was able to end the boss' hat phase before it starts 4 out of 4 of the times I played.

I'm gonna keep practicing this kingdom until I can beat it with no big time losses (like 5 seconds) 8/10 times.]]>
Wed, 15 Jul 2020 18:05:04 +0000
curi Politics Discussion Wed, 15 Jul 2020 16:46:23 +0000 curi Deplatforming and Fraud
People trying to get a professor fired for allegedly falling asleep during an anti-racism zoom meeting. Articles quotes indicate they already hated her and wanted her fired beforehand. Professor denies having fallen asleep and says she was engaged with the meeting. The evidence is apparently one photo in which the professor says she was looking down briefly or resting her eyes.]]>
Wed, 15 Jul 2020 15:08:23 +0000
Alisa Alisa Discussion
For now, I've updated my goal in [my learning plan]( to be one 2-hour FI day per week]]>
Tue, 14 Jul 2020 17:41:57 +0000
*Paul Revere's Ride* by David Hackett Fischer Anonymous Open Discussion 2 (2019)
One thing that stood out to me from the book is how much mob action the Americans engaged in. A few examples:

> In 1770 a frightened customs officer fired into a mob that had gathered before his house, and killed a boy named Christopher Seider.T he town made the child into a martyr. On the anniversary of his death a huge crowd gathered in a silent demonstration.

> On the morning of September 2, a huge crowd of 4,000 angry men gathered on Cambridge Common, mostly farmers from the towns between Sudbury and Boston. Whig leaders persuaded them to leave their firearms in Watertown. Armed only with wooden cudgels, they marched to “Tory Row” in Cambridge, and gathered around William Brattle’s mansion. This elegant house had been his family’s seat through four generations. Its gardens and private mall extended all the way to the Charles River. The property itself was protected by Whig leaders, but Brattle was forced to flee for his life, and took refuge at Castle William in Boston harbor.

The book says that the American victory at Lexington and Concord was due in part to William Heath's *circle of fire* tactic, a way of fighting which involved surrounding the British troops at a distance, firing at them, moving to a different position in the circle, and repeating.

[Wikipedia]( says:

> Heath and Warren reacted to [British officer Hugh] Percy's artillery and flankers by ordering the militiamen to avoid close formations that would attract cannon fire. Instead, they surrounded Percy's marching square with a moving ring of skirmishers at a distance to inflict maximum casualties at minimum risk.

Of the American militia under Heath, the book quotes British Officer Hugh Percy as saying:

> Whoever looks upon them as an irregular mob, will find himself very much mistaken. They have men amongst them who know very well what they are about...

William Heath was a farmer who taught himself military tactics from books and discussions with soldiers. The book says:

> Most of Heath’s soldiering had been done on militia training days with Boston’s Ancient and Honorable Artillery Company. He had not been in battle before, and had never commanded a large force in the field. But behind his country manner was a Yankee brain of high acuity. As early as 1770, William Heath had become convinced that the people of New England might be forced to fight in defense of their ancestral ways. He began to write for the local gazettes, publishing essays signed “a military countryman,” which urged his neighbors to prepare for the test that lay ahead.
> In Boston, William Heath haunted Henry Knox’s bookstore, with its large stock of works on military subjects. By day he studied the Regulars [British soldiers] at their drill on the Common. By night he toiled over his books in his Roxbury farmhouse, and made a serious study of war as he thought it might develop in America.
> In particular, William Heath became deeply interested in the tactics of the skirmish — the use of highly mobile light infantry in open order, trained to make full use of the terrain against a stronger force that stood against them in close formation. He believed that skirmishing was a method of war best adapted to the conditions in New England. Many American historians have believed that the inspiration for these tactics came from the Indians and the American wilderness. So it did, in large part. But William Heath and other New England leaders also looked to the old world for their military models, and found them in the campaigns of European irregulars. One of them described the Yankee militia as an organization of “colonist hussars.”

Colonial Americans respected Heath's military abilities despite his lack of battlefield experience:

> William Heath’s military scholarship was respected in New England — more so than it might have been in other cultures which believed that experience is the only teacher. In the American Revolution, New England produced a remarkable generation of self-taught military commanders who trained themselves by systematic study. They had virtually no military experience, but two of them, Nathaniel Greene and Henry Knox, would be among the most able generals on the American side.]]>
Mon, 13 Jul 2020 19:59:48 +0000
curi Politics Discussion
> 13 Tons of Human Hair Shipped From China | Uyghur Persecution with Nury Turkel

The hair is taken by force and sold. Uyghur women are also raped.]]>
Mon, 13 Jul 2020 12:44:43 +0000
Anonymous Open Discussion 2 (2019)
> The Supreme Court ruled Thursday [July 9] that the eastern half of Oklahoma can be considered Native American territory, a decision the state warned could create "civil, criminal and regulatory turmoil."

Alito asked an important question:

> "Won't (residents) be surprised to learn that they are living on a reservation and that they are now subject to laws imposed by a body that is not accountable to them in any way?".]]>
Sun, 12 Jul 2020 21:26:54 +0000
oh my god it's turpentine Deplatforming and Fraud]]>
Sun, 12 Jul 2020 14:44:49 +0000
curi Deplatforming and Fraud

> This is the sort of stuff Tucker spends every night railing against. He has made his name condemning things like cancel culture. For him to *obsequiously go along with his key writer being cancelled makes him a hypocrite and a liar.* It means that in the end, his friends and neighbors in the ruling class come before the principles he claims to be fighting to advance. More important, he’s asking you to do what he lacks the testicular fortitude to do in his own domain.

TC is going to speak to the issue tomorrow on his show. The blog post is assuming it'll be cowardly because TC hasn't said anything yet. I think that's unfair/premature – wait for TC to speak and see what he says! The story broke Friday and TC didn't have a response ready a few hours later, which is fine, and then waiting through the weekend to respond on his show on Monday seems OK too. I can understand him wanting to respond on his show instead of putting out a statement. So I don't think TC has (publicly) done something clearly wrong yet. We'll get some clarity tomorrow and I'm not optimistic about what TC will do.]]>
Sun, 12 Jul 2020 13:15:31 +0000
Anonymous Deplatforming and Fraud
> SEATTLE (Reuters) - Boeing Co’s (BA.N) communications chief Niel Golightly abruptly resigned on Thursday, following an employee’s complaint over an article the former U.S. military pilot wrote 33 years ago arguing women should not serve in combat.

Fuck cancel culture.]]>
Sun, 12 Jul 2020 12:59:34 +0000
Anonymous Open Discussion 2 (2019) Sat, 11 Jul 2020 22:56:09 +0000 Anonymous Deplatforming and Fraud
> Fox News CEO Suzanne Scott Orders Producers To Rein In Hosts & Commentators

from mid 2018]]>
Sat, 11 Jul 2020 14:33:07 +0000
Anonymous Deplatforming and Fraud
> Fox News "Condemns" Racist, Sexist Comments by Former Tucker Carlson Writer

> Tucker Carlson is expected to address the resignation of the writer from his show on Monday night.


> The internal memo sent out by FOX News Media CEO Suzanne Scott and FOX News Media president and executive editor Jay Wallace and obtained by The Hollywood Reporter reads: "Yesterday we learned that now former employee Blake Neff, a writer on Tucker Carlson Tonight, made horrendous and deeply offensive racist, sexist and homophobic comments under a pseudonym on the forum AutoAdmit."

> "We want to make abundantly clear that FOX News Media strongly condemns this horrific racist, misogynistic and homophobic behavior. Neff’s abhorrent conduct on this forum was never divulged to the show or the network until Friday, at which point we swiftly accepted his resignation. Make no mistake, actions such as his cannot and will not be tolerated at any time in any part of our work force. Tucker will be addressing this on his show on Monday night," the memo stated.]]>
Sat, 11 Jul 2020 14:28:36 +0000
curi Deplatforming and Fraud
His video that's being blocked uses science to debunk some anti-mask concerns/lies/myths.]]>
Sat, 11 Jul 2020 14:27:02 +0000
Alisa Deplatforming and Fraud Sat, 11 Jul 2020 14:06:44 +0000 Anonymous Deplatforming and Fraud Sat, 11 Jul 2020 01:18:45 +0000 Anonymous Deplatforming and Fraud
okay. let's say i run an exploitative manure business. i hire guys to shovel shit for me into sacks and barrels, and then we sell them to feed stores. i'm a really abusive manager; i do drugs on the job, i whip people, i shoot my guys with paintballs, and i don't even pay very well.

you are a traditional leftist agitator. you hear these abuse stories from my employees, and it makes you really mad. "that manager is a real dick!" you exclaim. you focus on my behavior, and on the worker/management chasm, and your view of rights and obligations is framed in economic terms.

but you see, i am a bit ahead of the game. i know that leftist agitators are coming after me. so i transfer nominal control of my business to a board of directors, and i make sure that the new CEO is female. even better if she's a mexican immigrant or something. the shit-shovelers at my business are primarily white men.

as a leftist agitator from the old-school, this would not have bothered you. queen victoria was just as much of a capitalist bitch as anyone else, right? you had no sympathy for the coiffured matrons of the ruling classes, whether here or in latin america or wherever else. why the fuck would you? that would be SILLY relative to the plight of the workers.

but then modernity descends, and your fellow leftists begin to rephrase the whole game in terms of gender and race. my immigrant chick CEO is now a "minority" rather than a slavedriver. her story is one of "glass ceilings" rather than workers shoveling shit for her.

you can try and go against this narrative, and go on TV with her downtrodden employees complaining about their conditions, but you are ignored. and when you aren't ignored, you are attacked. why are you trying to drag down HER, of all people? are you mad that a MINORITY WOMAN is running the show? those whiny shit-heaver MEN should just have to GET OVER THEMSELVES and DEAL with it! grrrl power la raza squared!

even if you think these people are insane, you are still a man of the left who is not getting any sort of support from conservatives for your labor agitation. so you have little choice but to placate your purported allies.

so you back off. and then people like you also back off. and the old modes of leftism gradually wither, because your ability to critique power is now circumscribed by the "identities" of those IN power.]]>
Sat, 11 Jul 2020 01:17:43 +0000
Anonymous Deplatforming and Fraud
it was incredibly cruel for CNN to tell AZN megashrew abt the thread

Can you imagine what it would be like to get an email with the nonsense string of characters "xoxohth," click a link, and learn that dozens of people have been following you for five years, compiling 900+ posts worth of brutal analysis about everything that's wrong with you? It would be like the Truman Show. It would be like being a gangstalking victim.

CNN caused that to happen to a completely innocent person. The anonymous wackos on this site had the common decency for FIVE FUCKING YEARS not to do that, but CNN did it and did it gleefully. It's all the worse that AZN Megashrew almost certainly already suffers from some sort of actual mental illness.]]>
Sat, 11 Jul 2020 01:13:13 +0000
Anonymous Deplatforming and Fraud
I know that you're poasting this in good faith, and you mean well, but you have to understand that none of this matters to these people.

They don't care about accuracy in reporting, or the truth, or anything else. They just need their hate object of the moment, and will lie, slander, dox, and do anything else they can do to get their sacrificial lamb.

This is like telling a Mayan priest that actually you don't need to sacrifice a human to make the sun come up. The truth doesn't matter. The act of ritual slaughter is the only thing that matters.]]>
Sat, 11 Jul 2020 01:10:21 +0000
Anonymous Deplatforming and Fraud
the danger of CNN's shoddy journalism

this thread is mostly for lurkers and journos because anyone who uses this site already knows these things.
i read the article on charles earlier and there are a few quick things that other people probably already mentioned that i feel are important to note. these things aren't just relevant to charles but to everyone on this website.

1.) shared accounts

i'm not the only one who knows the password to my account. i know the passwords of others' accounts (and they know i do). i don't think that's uncommon on here.

2.) edits and blank bumps

anyone can edit any of his or her posts (not the title, but the body of the OP and all reply posts) at any time. someone could post, "justice for george floyd" in a thread, accumulate 15 blank bumps (or "upvotes" as cnn calls them, lol), and then change their post to "george floyd deserved it." the blank bumps would still be there and cnn would consider those "upvotes"/endorsements of the edited post.

3.) post history wiping

it's possible to run a script to erase all your past post history on this website (everything but thread titles, i think). when someone runs that script, all of his or her posts become blank bumps. if someone poasts something like "ugh i hate all women and jews and non-whites" and you disagree with that post in the replies, then later scrub your post history, cnn will think you're blank bumping/"upvoting"/endorsing that poast.

not to mention that cnn's "exposé" on charles included unsavory post titles he had merely replied to:

"When not making his own bigoted comments, [charles] has shown a willingness to respond to others who were, without expressing any hesitation, much less disgust, about what they've said. For instance, in 2016 he replied to a thread with the title, "Mary Poppins getting raped by a pack of wild ni***rs at the park; kids watching." That same year, he commented on a thread titled, "DIKES get wrong CUM at CUMBANK. N****R pops out." Just last month, [charles] replied to a comment on the thread that said, "And the n**s are always honor students or some bullshit." (The language on both posts was not censored on the forum.)"

how is that worthy of publishing? publishing that is irresponsible and misleading journalism, imo. there are threads with titles like that all the time containing replies from people insulting the OP or arguing against the post-- those who did also "replied" to the posts just like charles.

that's all. i don't agree with all charles said or poasted but what happened to him really sucks and i hope he's okay. this is better than christmas for tucker's rivals on other channels]]>
Sat, 11 Jul 2020 01:09:56 +0000
Anonymous Deplatforming and Fraud
Now you understand gamergate

For years, I tried to explain it here. But it was impossible to explain because people got mixed up in the details. They didn't understand that gamergate was just an unfair, politically motivated attack by disingenuous left-wing actors who claimed to be "journalists".

If you were an outsider to XO today, and you had to understand the drama surrounding a weird, fringe website that billed itself as the most prestigious law discussion in the world, but was populated with racists, nude bodybuilders, self-deported Korean PUAs, guys who name themselves with semicolons and claim to be hung studs, dinosaur experts, white genocide promoters, and whatever the fuck Lisa Rowe is, you wouldn't understand.

But you get it now. The feeling you have right now is the same feeling that the gaming community had when they were under attack by a malicious press, and came together to fight back.

I hate that XO has to go through this experience. But at least now you guys get it.]]>
Sat, 11 Jul 2020 01:08:29 +0000
Anonymous Deplatforming and Fraud :

> Ms Jeong wrote in one tweet from July 2014: "Oh man it's kind of sick how much joy I get out of being cruel to old white men."
> "Are white people genetically predisposed to burn faster in the sun, thus logically being only fit to live underground like groveling goblins," she said in December 2014.
> [Jeong] also used the hashtag "#CancelWhitePeople" and complained about "white people marking up the internet with their opinions like dogs pissing on fire hydrants".]]>
Fri, 10 Jul 2020 19:48:12 +0000
curi Fuck China Fri, 10 Jul 2020 17:40:13 +0000 Anonymous Deplatforming and Fraud
He was a xoxo (autoadmit) poster, which is an anti-political-correctness free speech forum.

CNN found out what name the writer anonymously posted under and outted him. Real name is private personal info, which CNN shared with the world.

Will Tucker's content quality now drop?

The writer posted as CharlesXII on xoxo, and I enjoyed his lengthy review of the awful but very popular book Ready Player One at

In response (same day the story broke – today – I think), the xoxo forum has randomized poster names on posts over a year old to help protect against doxing in the future. (Random names are regenerated if you refresh the page, but all posts from a user in one thread get the same random name, so you can still follow conversations.)

This is a great move because the archives were about to be searched by a bunch of hateful leftist would-be doxxers sent by mob-leader CNN. Sadly it's too late to prevent CNN from finding a bunch of archived material to smear CharlesXII with.

The forum owner, Rach, also says that no identify information is saved on the server (e.g. signup email or poster IP address) and]]>
Fri, 10 Jul 2020 17:18:30 +0000
Anonymous Politics Discussion
#PromisesMadePromisesBroken :(]]>
Fri, 10 Jul 2020 16:52:03 +0000
curi Product Release: Yes or No Philosophy]]>
Fri, 10 Jul 2020 11:27:36 +0000
curi Politics Discussion

Fri, 10 Jul 2020 10:46:40 +0000
Justin Mallone Deplatforming and Fraud]]>
Fri, 10 Jul 2020 09:25:15 +0000
Anonymous Deplatforming and Fraud]]>
Fri, 10 Jul 2020 06:30:20 +0000
curi Product Release: Yes or No Philosophy]]>
Thu, 09 Jul 2020 21:38:16 +0000
Anonymous Dennis Hackethal, Plagiarist]]>
Thu, 09 Jul 2020 18:29:49 +0000
curi Politics Discussion
> Kanye West Just NUKED Democrats From Orbit, Confirms he Is Running In 2020, Praises Trump

Interesting events. Kanye looks kinda OK tho dumb on some things like coronavirus and God. But a fighter who speaks his mind and had some good points that others won't say.

Looks like Kanye's going to help Trump win and try again in 2024.]]>
Thu, 09 Jul 2020 00:25:28 +0000
Anonymous Deplatforming and Fraud
> As I write this the slack-jawed leftists on Twitter are cheering and rejoicing over Stefan’s bans. This boring and predictable cackling is not what I want you to pay attention to though.

> Instead, I want you to center your focus on the total silence from the Conservative Inc frauds who boast about how much they love free speech and hate big tech censorship. You won’t find them defending Stefan. You won’t find them speaking out against his bans. You won’t find them saying anything at all. Make no mistake: they know who he is, they know he has been banned, and they are secretly doing their own bit of celebrating about it too.]]>
Wed, 08 Jul 2020 09:27:32 +0000
speedrunning session 5 sleepyiiot Mario Odyssey Discussion
I practiced it 7 times.

I was able to end the boss' hat phase before it starts 6 out of 7 of the times I played.

I'm gonna keep practicing this kingdom until I can beat it with no big time losses (like 5 seconds) 8/10 times.]]>
Wed, 08 Jul 2020 09:20:43 +0000
Anonymous Politics Discussion
> So you were a possessive man, Mr. Wynand, and you loved your sense of property? Did you ever stop to think what it rested upon? Did you stop to secure the foundations? No, because you were a practical man. Practical men deal in bank accounts, real estate, advertising contracts and gilt-edged securities. They leave to the impractical intellectuals, like me, the amusements of putting the gilt edges through a chemical analysis to learn a few things about the nature and the source of gold. They hang on to Kream-O Pudding, and leave us such trivia as the theater, the movies, the radio, the schools, the book reviews and the criticism of architecture. Just a sop to keep us quiet if we care to waste our time playing with the inconsequentials of life, while you’re making money.]]>
Wed, 08 Jul 2020 08:28:39 +0000
curi Product Release: Yes or No Philosophy]]>
Tue, 07 Jul 2020 21:15:11 +0000
Anonymous Politics Discussion
Tucker criticized Senator Duckworth for being open to the idea of tearing statues of George Washington down. He said that Dems hate America. Duckworth brought up her military injuries on twitter to try to deflect criticism. Tucker didn't back down though.]]>
Tue, 07 Jul 2020 19:49:06 +0000
Anonymous Deplatforming and Fraud]]> Tue, 07 Jul 2020 19:42:17 +0000 Anonymous Deplatforming and Fraud

Yglesias signing onto a Trump-bashing letter that got the approval of people like *Noam Chomsky* somehow made this lady feel "less safe"

The letter:]]>
Tue, 07 Jul 2020 19:41:04 +0000
Anonymous Deplatforming and Fraud
Tue, 07 Jul 2020 19:31:52 +0000
Learning plan update: more time on FI + freewriting Alisa Alisa Discussion
- increase the amount of time I spend on FI each week (currently I guess that I spend 30-60 minutes per day on FI)
- add free-writing to some of my FI sessions and see if it helps

I added the text below to my [learning plan](

## Spend enough time on FI

I intend to spend 2 hours per day on FI three days per week. On each of the 4 other days, I intend to spend only 30-60 minutes on FI. I will track how much time I spend on FI so I can see how I'm doing at this.

## Practice free-writing

For each of my 2-hour FI days, with 50% probability, I will start off by free-writing for 15 minutes. At the end of the 2 hours, whether I started with free-writing or not, I will evaluate and record how the 2 hours went. I will periodically review these records to see if I can come up with any theories about whether free-writing helps my FI learning sessions.]]>
Mon, 06 Jul 2020 19:43:06 +0000
Justin Mallone Improvements to Comments Mon, 06 Jul 2020 09:18:05 +0000 OXO Good Grips 3-in-1 Avocado Slicer Anonymous Open Discussion 2 (2019) 1. An edge long enough to cut the unpeeled avocado in half. For safety, the edge is dull, kind of like the edge of a butter knife.
2. A three-part metal attachment that sticks into the core. Lets you easily pull the core out whichever half of the avocado its in.
3. A slicer — again, with a dulled edge for safety — that you drag through each half of the core-less avocado. This removes the peel from that avocado half and slices the half into 7 pieces at the same time.]]>
Sun, 05 Jul 2020 20:07:04 +0000
The Appleseed Project Fred's Forefathers Open Discussion 2 (2019)
Seems like a worthy endeavor.]]>
Sat, 04 Jul 2020 19:24:56 +0000
Anonymous Deplatforming and Fraud Sat, 04 Jul 2020 19:14:03 +0000 curi Rationally Resolving Conflicts of Ideas Sat, 04 Jul 2020 14:44:37 +0000 kieren Rationally Resolving Conflicts of Ideas
It is important for me to be provided an argument for your claims, especially when you boldly conclude things that I don't agree with like "This is a concession that we don't and can't learn by induction and that CR is right".

Yes, following arguments carefully and logically might seem tedious, but that is the nature of philosophy.

Hit me up on twitter/discord if you find renewed interest in continuing this discussion.]]>
Sat, 04 Jul 2020 00:17:28 +0000
curi Rationally Resolving Conflicts of Ideas Fri, 03 Jul 2020 21:04:51 +0000 kieren Rationally Resolving Conflicts of Ideas
Yes, deduction and induction are not the same things. I was only referring to the evaluation of their premises, which as you have now agreed, involves background knowledge (for both types of inference). My reason for bringing up deduction was to highlight how this is an uncontroversial aspect of arguments/inferences.

You had made the claim that the use of background knowledge is a concession that we can't learn by induction. That is what led us down this path. Please provide a new argument for your claim or retract it.

I will review the texts you have referenced. Thank you for providing them.]]>
Fri, 03 Jul 2020 21:03:04 +0000
curi Open Discussion 2 (2019)
> The Golden Age of the Internet Is Over]]>
Fri, 03 Jul 2020 20:00:37 +0000
Anonymous Deplatforming and Fraud
> Over and over again, conservatives made excuses for doing nothing. They told themselves:

> *It’s only Milo—he’s shocking, not the kind of nuanced conservative thinker I am.*

> *It’s only Gavin McInnes and his “Proud Boys”—he’s funny, whereas I am aggressively humorless, so I’m safe.*

> *It’s only Heather Mac Donald and Charles Murray—they write about crime rates and I.Q. I steer well clear of any topic that might trigger liberals!*

> And thus were the most interesting and popular personalities on the right scrubbed from the public square by violent, low-I.Q. criminals. How tiny is the circle of speech and behavior you’ve permitted yourselves, conservatives?]]>
Fri, 03 Jul 2020 17:28:55 +0000
curi By Any Means Necessary: A Violent Marxist Cult
> The History of Antifa]]>
Fri, 03 Jul 2020 16:19:50 +0000
speedrunning session 4 sleepy idiot Mario Odyssey Discussion
I practiced the first kingdom 7 or so times.

I'm making a lot less mistakes now. I wasn't focusing on anything in particular, though.

I'm gonna keep practicing this kingdom until I can beat it with no big time losses (like 5 seconds) 8/10 times.]]>
Fri, 03 Jul 2020 12:37:08 +0000
curi Rationally Resolving Conflicts of Ideas
You need to take a step back and consider what the problem(s) to be solved are, then what the candidate solutions are and how they solve those problems. Since you don't have a clear picture of this, the stuff you're saying is a mess.

You also didn't answer #16826]]>
Fri, 03 Jul 2020 12:24:36 +0000
curi Robin Hanson Apologized For His Ideas
They are trying to cancel TC too, btw. E.g. some big advertisers have pulled out of his show.

TC better have a plan if Fox wants to fire him or demand he say or not say certain things. (And the plan better not be just to surrender to keep his job/money.) If he has no plan, as Hanson seems not to have had, then he's letting down his audience. Just risking it and hoping nothing bad happens, with no plan, is unacceptable when you know you're a target.]]>
Fri, 03 Jul 2020 12:12:56 +0000
kieren Rationally Resolving Conflicts of Ideas >This proposed (by you) use of background knowledge for induction doesn't compare with the background knowledge used by deduction.

So if you're now in agreement with me that we use background knowledge to evaluate the premises of both inductive and deductive arguments then we are led back to this exchange.

>>> However, In all cases it seems that we rely on our background knowledge to judge (deduce) the randomness of a sample.

>> This is a concession that we don't and can't learn by induction and that CR is right.

> I do not see how you conclude this.]]>
Fri, 03 Jul 2020 01:46:12 +0000
curi Rationally Resolving Conflicts of Ideas Fri, 03 Jul 2020 00:31:15 +0000 kieren Rationally Resolving Conflicts of Ideas
>>A deductive argument is said to be valid if and only if it takes a form that makes it impossible for the premises to be true and the conclusion nevertheless to be false. Otherwise, a deductive argument is said to be invalid.

>>A deductive argument is sound if and only if it is both valid, and all of its premises are actually true. Otherwise, a deductive argument is unsound.

So when we are checking if the first and second premises are true we are checking if the argument is sound. Here you require background knowledge.]]>
Thu, 02 Jul 2020 23:11:44 +0000
curi Rationally Resolving Conflicts of Ideas Thu, 02 Jul 2020 22:36:10 +0000 kieren Rationally Resolving Conflicts of Ideas
Take my example then:

1) All dogs bark

2) Spot is a dog

3) Therefore, Spot barks

How do you evaluate the first or second premise without any background knowledge?

You would require knowledge of what a dog is in order to determine whether Spot is a dog.]]>
Thu, 02 Jul 2020 22:24:33 +0000
Anonymous Dennis Hackethal, Plagiarist Thu, 02 Jul 2020 17:00:56 +0000 max Dennis Hackethal, Plagiarist
It's curious to think about what might happen if there were youtube-esq copyright protocols for books; amazon being a major vendor means it'd be much easier to implement now than in the past.]]>
Thu, 02 Jul 2020 16:58:42 +0000
Anonymous Dennis Hackethal, Plagiarist]]>
Thu, 02 Jul 2020 16:53:34 +0000
curi Politics Discussion
Leffen's response to the general issue (he's not accused nor accuser): [Regarding the recent allegations within the Smash/FGC Community.](

I took some notes on what he said while I watched it

1) be rly biased in favor of believing victims

2) leffen has been physically abused as a minor in smash scene, and lots of adults were there and did nothing. like being slapped in face in public multiple times. (not sexual). so this gives him more sympathy and perspective that there are victims, esp young ppl

3) leffen has been a jerk verbally and he thinks that’s related to bad culture and he needs to do better. (that’s mostly old stuff. he got banned from smash in sweden for like a year for flaming ppl. that was 2013)
4) stop e.g. drinking alcohol in front of minors, lots of little things contribute to atmosphere that encourages sexual harassment

5) this isn’t a bad week where things went wrong. it’s a good week to get these villains out of community. this is progress to deal with problem that already existed for years.

6) ppl with audiences need to speak out

7) most ppl are good ppl. the problem is a few creeps + a lot of passivity.]]>
Thu, 02 Jul 2020 12:28:16 +0000
Anonymous Mario Odyssey Discussion Thu, 02 Jul 2020 12:18:59 +0000 curi Rationally Resolving Conflicts of Ideas
Realism and the Aim of Science
Chapter 1. Induction
Section 2. The Critical Approach: Solution of the Problem of Induction.
Sub-section VI

To help search for it, that section starts with:

> The critical approach which I have described here leads almost immediately to a straightforward solution of Hume’s problem of induction (1739).[11]
> Let us remember what Hume tried to show (in my opinion successfully, as far as logic goes).

Another one is

The World of Parmenides: Essays on the Presocratic Enlightenment
How induction becomes counterinduction, and the epagōgē returns to the elenchus


One can also state the refutation of induction in a sentence, e.g.: All finite data sets can be generated from infinitely many different functions.

In other words, the idea that we learn by spotting the patterns in our data is wrong because all data sets fit infinitely many patterns.

The issue is the infinite ambiguity of data. So the inductive idea, that data guides us, is wrong, because data is infinitely ambiguous.

There's also Russel's chicken story as well as Hume.

I think the issue is you have no clear idea what induction is, so you take refutations like helpful comments about what not to include in your conception of induction. If you committed to any particular version of induction, it'd either be refutable or compatible with CR (and poor terminology). But without a clear target, one can't offer you a refutation that will work for you.]]>
Thu, 02 Jul 2020 12:12:43 +0000
curi Rationally Resolving Conflicts of Ideas
And induction further alleges that it does its job without creative, critical or intelligent thought because it's supposed to explain how those work rather than rely on them. By allowing such major background knowledge, which comes from prior rational thinking, you're violating this and ruining induction as an explanation of how thinking works. You're changing induction into a mere thinking technique that intelligent beings can use sometimes, which gets rid of its claimed fundamentalness.

Again, you aren't familiar with either side of the debate and what the rival positions are, and that's our main problem.

This proposed (by you) use of background knowledge for induction doesn't compare with the background knowledge used by deduction. I can evaluate deductive arguments about singing, dogs or suns without having background knowledge about singing, dogs or suns. Deduction doesn't require field-specific prior knowledge.]]>
Thu, 02 Jul 2020 11:49:54 +0000
kieren Rationally Resolving Conflicts of Ideas
Yes, error in the conclusion. It should be:
3) Therefore, spot barks.]]>
Thu, 02 Jul 2020 08:39:47 +0000
Anonymous Rationally Resolving Conflicts of Ideas >For example. In the deductive argument.
>1) All dogs bark
>2) Spot is a dog
>3) Therefore, dog barks
This doesn't seem like a deductive statement. This just seems like all dogs bark therefore all dogs bark. It's just tautology and and it doesn't use the Spot is a dog premise in the conclusion. Did you mean:

P1) All dogs bark
P2) Spot is a dog
C1) Therefore, Spot barks]]>
Thu, 02 Jul 2020 07:20:08 +0000
kieren Rationally Resolving Conflicts of Ideas > Do you know of anywhere in Popper's writing where he demonstrates the impossibility of performing an induction?]]> Thu, 02 Jul 2020 03:49:56 +0000 kieren Rationally Resolving Conflicts of Ideas
>>> This is a concession that we don't and can't learn by induction and that CR is right.

>> I do not see how you conclude this.

> It contradicts the claim that we induce theories from data by saying that we rely on [something other than data] in order to deal with data.

I disagree.

There are premises involved in an inductive argument (e.g. the sample is practically random) as there are in a deductive arguments too. The background knowledge I'm talking about are speaking to these premises.

For example. In the deductive argument.
1) All dogs bark
2) Spot is a dog
3) Therefore, dog barks

It would be our existing background knowledge that we use to judge whether premises 1 and 2 exist.]]>
Thu, 02 Jul 2020 03:43:45 +0000
Anonymous Project Planning Discussion Thu, 02 Jul 2020 01:10:57 +0000 mermaid tree stuff max Project Planning Discussion
FYI I've got automagic tree generation based on whitespace indented trees working here:

(I'm writing out s-expressions that are whitespace indented, but my s-expression-to-tree code cheats by just considering whitespace and removing all the parens)

pre-compiled page:

tree-generation code:]]>
Thu, 02 Jul 2020 01:10:32 +0000
speedrunning session 3 sleepy idiot Mario Odyssey Discussion
I practiced the first kingdom 5 or so times.

I watched the first kingdom of smallant smo beginner's guide again because I didn't know what to do at one point.

I don't know how to explain what I was confused about, so I'm just gonna send the part I was confused about.

I'm gonna keep practicing this kingdom until I can beat it with no big time losses (like 5 seconds) 8/10 times.]]>
Wed, 01 Jul 2020 07:38:16 +0000
Anonymous Dennis Hackethal, Plagiarist Tue, 30 Jun 2020 14:37:47 +0000 curi Deplatforming and Fraud
Watch: [The Social Media Ban Tidal Wave - Control Itself Spirals Out of Control
Tue, 30 Jun 2020 12:17:03 +0000
curi Rationally Resolving Conflicts of Ideas
>> This is a concession that we don't and can't learn by induction and that CR is right.

> I do not see how you conclude this.

It contradicts the claim that we induce theories from data by saying that we rely on [something other than data] in order to deal with data.]]>
Tue, 30 Jun 2020 12:02:47 +0000
nikluk curi Quotes
[Bayesian Epistemology vs Popper](

> Rationality is about methods of thinking which allow for the correction of mistakes. It’s wise because irrational attitudes, if they are mistaken, stay mistaken. Mistakes in rational attitudes can be fixed. Can someone reject the premises of my argument, or refuse to listen to it if they don’t want to, or misunderstand it? Yes. And for all I know they can understand it and reject it — maybe I’m wrong. But none of this is a problem or bad thing. Progress doesn’t come from airtight arguments that force people to accept reason or anything else. It comes from voluntary action, people choosing to think and wanting to gain values by thinking, people having problems they want to improve on, people recognizing their mistakes and wanting a better life. Life presents problems which can inspire people to take some initiative in improving, we don’t have to worry about forcing passive people to live the way we deem correct (and we must not do that, because we might be mistaken; a tolerant society is the only rational society).

[The Myth of the Closed Mind, 3](]]>
Tue, 30 Jun 2020 08:45:53 +0000
speedrunning sesson 2 sleepy idiot Mario Odyssey Discussion
I practiced the first kingdom 10 or so times.

I focused on the boss fight, specifically successfully jumping and hitting the boss after the first cycle of his hat throws. I got it wrong about half the time. I'm gonna start timing it if I keep getting it wrong.

I'm gonna keep practicing this kingdom until I can beat it with no big time losses (like 5 seconds) 8/10 times.]]>
Tue, 30 Jun 2020 07:45:16 +0000
kieren Rationally Resolving Conflicts of Ideas
I do not see how you conclude this.

> re the skateboard trick, you had a causal understanding of why the technique might work before you tried it. then when you tried it several times, you e.g. observed that none of the trials contradicted your causal understanding – you never got results out of line with your mental model like going way higher or lower than expected. your mental model has some approximations, estimates, etc., instead of being totally precise. in the context of having an explanatory understanding of what's going on and what data is relevant, then having a several data points helps you improve those estimates.

As well as multiple data points helping me improve the accuracy of my mental model, they have also importantly told me that this technique works at all. Before I try such a technique I may only have a vague intuition that it might help, but I wouldn't say "I know it works" until I have tried it multiple times.]]>
Tue, 30 Jun 2020 02:34:31 +0000
Parler Anonymous Deplatforming and Fraud
> Also, I have just joined Parler, and I invite you to follow me [here](

I'm skeptical that Taylor will be allowed to communicate on Parler for long. The fact that Parler is available in Apple's App Store indicates that Parler is censored.

Tangentially, the second sentence on [Parler's home page]( is:

> Our content is moderated based off the FCC and the Supreme court of the United States which enables free expression without violence and a lack of censorship.

That's a poorly-written sentence. It speaks poorly of Parler that they feature it so prominently.]]>
Mon, 29 Jun 2020 21:23:07 +0000
Anonymous Deplatforming and Fraud

so it appears that you can "incite violence or [] promote hate based on identity or vulnerability" if you are targeting white people and be okay under this rule (at least if the targeted white people are in the majority).]]>
Mon, 29 Jun 2020 15:21:02 +0000
Anonymous Deplatforming and Fraud
Stefan Molyneux, American Renaissance, others banned from YouTube, Twitch suspended Trump's channel

Re twitch:

> Twitch has temporarily banned President Donald Trump, in the latest surprise and high-profile suspension from the streaming service. Trump’s account was banned for “hateful conduct” that was aired on stream, and Twitch says the offending content has now been removed.

> One of the streams in question was a rebroadcast of Trump’s infamous kickoff rally, where he said that Mexico was sending rapists to the United States. Twitch also flagged racist comments at Trump’s recent rally in Tulsa.]]>
Mon, 29 Jun 2020 14:29:26 +0000
Anonymous Improvements to Comments]]>
Mon, 29 Jun 2020 12:53:09 +0000
Anonymous Deplatforming and Fraud

> Reddit has purged some of the most popular communities on the site today after a recent announcement that they will be cracking down on "hate speech." Over 2,000 communities were purged including the pro-Trump community r/The_Donald and the popular left-wing community r/ChapoTrapHouse.

> Last year Reddit took a $150m investment from the Communist Chinese, so these bans and the pivot away from freedom should not be a surprise to anyone. Reddit is not only purging thousands of communities from the site, but they are also banning users who "upvote" content which breaks their new "hate speech" rules. Meaning even if you don't post the content yourself, Reddit will ban you if you engage with it.

> “I have to admit that I’ve struggled with balancing my values as an American, and around free speech and free expression, with my values and the company’s values around common human decency,” Reddit CEO Steve Huffman said.

> Perhaps all that communist Chinese money made his decision a little easier.

> At Gab we saw this purge and wave of censorship coming years ago. Which is why we have been building the market-leading free speech social network that now has millions of users from around the world. We welcome everyone who is getting banned from Reddit--both on the left and the right ideologically-- to join Gab.

> Gab has a groups feature which is similar to Reddit's subreddit functionality. Users have already set up a The_Donald group on Gab with 14,000 members. Get on Gab, and speak freely.]]>
Mon, 29 Jun 2020 12:01:46 +0000
Anonymous Deplatforming and Fraud
Reddit banned /The_Donald and numerous other subreddits]]>
Mon, 29 Jun 2020 10:25:23 +0000
speedrunning sesson 1 sleepy idiot Mario Odyssey Discussion
I watched the first kingdom of smallant smo beginner's guide.

I practiced the first kingdom a few times.

Inbetween practice runs, I rewatched parts of the guide and found something I missed and corrected it on the next run. Here's what I missed. During the boss fight, I was doing a big jump from far away rather than a small jump close-up.

I'm gonna keep practicing this kingdom for a bit until I can beat it with no big time losses (like 5 seconds) 8/10 times.]]>
Mon, 29 Jun 2020 06:12:35 +0000
Anonymous Politics Discussion Sun, 28 Jun 2020 11:10:29 +0000 Anonymous Politics Discussion
according to this article, San Francisco is:

1) housing homeless in fancy hotels
2) lying that the homeless are "front line workers" to do this
3) spending taxpayer money to buy them pot and alcohol
4) lying about where the money for the pot and alcohol is coming from (or they were, at least initially)
5) making city workers and hotel workers sign NDAs that prevent them from discussing what they're seeing]]>
Sun, 28 Jun 2020 11:09:31 +0000
Anonymous Gamer MeToo Witch Hunt
seems like it should be "the cultural rules [...] *change* over time"]]>
Sat, 27 Jun 2020 22:40:36 +0000
Anonymous Deplatforming and Fraud ]( (06/25/2020):

> In Gainesville, Georgia, a fire department employee was suspended for a week because his *wife* made a post on Facebook about the local George Floyd rioters.]]>
Sat, 27 Jun 2020 22:34:58 +0000
Anonymous Deplatforming and Fraud
Twitter treats mentioning truth about George Floyd's criminal past as glorifying violence

The tweeter was already in trouble for this tweet]]>
Sat, 27 Jun 2020 19:49:56 +0000
curi Deplatforming and Fraud
not joking. this is official stuff.]]>
Sat, 27 Jun 2020 12:41:09 +0000
Anonymous Open Discussion 2 (2019)
> The blacks who will vote for [Trump] are going to vote for him specifically because he doesn’t tolerate black riots and revolution. That is to say, what he is doing by refusing to address the black revolution is going to make it less likely that the blacks who do support him are going to bother voting.

> The staggering thing is that this is a self-inflicted wound. Maybe he can’t do anything. The military refused to defend the White House during peak riot, so it is unlikely he can really do much on that front. Maybe he can’t get AG Barr to prosecute the rioters. Maybe there is literally nothing he can do to stop any of it. But what he can do is what we know he can do, which is tweet and go on shows talking about it. He could be out there every single day denouncing the blacks, and calling this a hoax, saying it doesn’t really have anything to do with black people and that it’s just a communist revolution using the dumb criminal blacks as a tool.
> He was very loudly talking about “socialism” as a threat to “capitalism” throughout 2019, apparently as an election strategy. But now we have a full-on Bolshevik revolution, a direct attack on the very foundations of our entire civilization, and he’s doing what? He’s saying he’s going to reform the police and he’s honoring Juneteenth.]]>
Sat, 27 Jun 2020 01:14:14 +0000
Andrew Anglin on women as programmers and engineers Anonymous Open Discussion 2 (2019)
> On some level, [women computer programmers] are only pretending to be pretending to be men, given that they remain overwhelmingly preoccupied with looking cute while doing their big man jobs.
> How long does this woman spend doing her hair and makeup before going into the office and sitting at a computer?
>[The average for women is 1 hour]( in front of the mirror in the morning (I’m sure it’s what that woman spends and she may spend more than that). Men are more or less incapable of grasping this level of vanity and self-absorption. Men will typically look for any excuse to grow a beard, so as to skip any form of morning grooming at all. They will also look for any excuse to wear a t-shirt and jeans, simply because it is so much faster to put on such clothing.
> Computer programmers are especially known for having beards and dressing overly casually.
> This probably stems from the fact that the morning hours are crucial to someone doing that kind of thinking.]]>
Sat, 27 Jun 2020 00:59:09 +0000
Andrew Anglin: CNN Now Trying to Get Everyone Banned from Telegram Anonymous Deplatforming and Fraud
> The messaging app Telegram is one of the few places right-wingers are still allowed to communicate with each other, so with the election coming up, the media is moving to bully the app into banning any supporters of Donald Trump.
> Of course, they don’t ever say, “we want to shut them down,” they say, “people are concerned…” but the people that are concerned are them; no one else is thinking about it. It’s very transparent, especially when you go through and look at the way they incited a mob against me, against Alex Jones, against anyone else they got banned for supporting Donald Trump.
> The mere fact that they refer to all white people as “white supremacists” shows what they’re trying to do. But it isn’t really newsworthy that a few thousand people who disagree with CNN are posting messages to each other on a phone app. This is not “in the public interest.” The only reason they would report on it at all is to try to bully the company, smear them as “enablers of white supremacist terrorism” for allowing Trump supporters to send messages to each other.]]>
Sat, 27 Jun 2020 00:52:09 +0000
Anonymous Open Discussion 2 (2019)
> These people are engaging in these attacks on our statues and burning down buildings on live television. The Justice Department is doing nothing. They are outright refusing.
> The House Freedom Caucus went on TV on Thursday and begged Barr to enforce the law – they read out laws that he could be enforcing! As if people don’t know that tearing down statues on federal and state property and arson are felonies! As if the Attorney General doesn’t know that! He needs to be reminded that it’s illegal, the weasel!
> The Freedom Caucus did a very good job, given the circumstances. They were all almost speechless, trying to explain the enormity of the insanity, and being forced to go out and publicly demand that the Attorney General of the United States prosecute a violent Marxist revolutionary mob that has overtaken the entire country.

> The city cops cannot do anything. City cops are being charged with murder for doing something. No one can expect them to do anything. Trump has to send in the feds. The FBI has teams to deal with this. All you need to do is round up the leaders of who are organizing these riots and statue pull-downs. Prosecute them, this will stop, Trump can claim total victory and campaign on having ended the chaos.
> But of course, Barr is not going to do that. If he was going to do that, he would have done it already. There is no reason he would wait a month before he started prosecuting a violent Marxist mob that is literally tearing down the country.]]>
Sat, 27 Jun 2020 00:49:06 +0000
Anonymous Deplatforming and Fraud
> The only competent person on the right is Tucker Carlson. He is literally The Last Man.
> Tucker was the only person who defended my rights when I was shut down. [Infowars'] Alex Jones and [VDARE's] Peter Brimelow were taking the high road, acting like I was a unique case, but Tucker went on Fox News – three separate times – and pointed out that the banning of me was a historic turning point in the suppression of speech in America.]]>
Sat, 27 Jun 2020 00:43:14 +0000
Anonymous Deplatforming and Fraud Fri, 26 Jun 2020 21:51:52 +0000 curi Deplatforming and Fraud
> "In March, Dr Disrespect signed a multiyear exclusive deal to remain with Twitch that reportedly would entitle him to millions of dollars per year." – ESPN]]>
Fri, 26 Jun 2020 20:25:45 +0000
curi Deplatforming and Fraud

I haven't watched him stream but I learned about him a few months ago by watching this video about him. The channel has a bunch of little documentary type things about different streamers.]]>
Fri, 26 Jun 2020 20:25:14 +0000
Anonymous Deplatforming and Fraud
> We were told this week that not only is Gab blacklisted by Visa as a business, but my personal name, phone number, address, and more are all also blacklisted by Visa. If I wanted to leave Gab tomorrow (something that isn’t going to happen) and start a lemonade stand I wouldn’t be able to obtain merchant processing for it.

> Simply because my name is Andrew Torba.

> If my wife wants to start a business she won’t be able to obtain merchant processing because she lives at the same address as me and would be flagged by Visa.

> This is obviously very concerning. We have done nothing wrong. Gab is and always has been a legally operated business. We sell hats, shirts, and a software subscription service that unlocks new features on Gab. My personal credit score is in the 800’s. I pay my bills. I have a wife and daughter to provide for, yet we are all being punished and defamed because someone at Visa has it out for me.

> We were told that Visa has someone camping on our website watching our payment processing. As soon as we get a new processor up they find out who it is on their end and contact them. They tell the processor that Gab is flagged for “illegal activity” and if they do not stop processing payments for us they will be heavily fined.

> When the processor inquires about this alleged “illegal activity,” Visa tells them that Gab has been flagged for “hate speech.” “Hate speech,” is of course not illegal in the United States of America and is protected by the First Amendment. As I have written, it’s not real and I refuse to acknowledge it as term. Visa doesn’t agree with me.]]>
Fri, 26 Jun 2020 15:24:26 +0000
curi Rationally Resolving Conflicts of Ideas
This is a concession that we don't and can't learn by induction and that CR is right. I don't think you're very clear on 1) what inductivist philosophy says 2) what CR says

re the skateboard trick, you had a causal understanding of why the technique might work before you tried it. then when you tried it several times, you e.g. observed that none of the trials contradicted your causal understanding – you never got results out of line with your mental model like going way higher or lower than expected. your mental model has some approximations, estimates, etc., instead of being totally precise. in the context of having an explanatory understanding of what's going on and what data is relevant, then having a several data points helps you improve those estimates.]]>
Fri, 26 Jun 2020 12:23:01 +0000
Gavin Palmer Project Planning Discussion
I had to find and watch some of Elliot's videos to get an idea of what the tree is expected to look like.

I was thinking it could be fun to add functionality to the mermaid-live-editor in order to allow the source data to be created automatically as you interact with the tree view area. It could be a good starting point to build an interactive discussion tool which is based off of a tree view.

I will attempt to render it here without saving the image to a place I control (note that I am thinking about creating my own discussion plugin and think a preview feature would be nice):

![](image url)


Fri, 26 Jun 2020 05:03:10 +0000
nikluk Coronavirus Solution
I made a note to revisit this today.
I have chosen not to pursue this issue further for now. I need to focus my time on fundamental learning issues that I have been struggling some extra with for roughly the last month.]]>
Fri, 26 Jun 2020 00:04:27 +0000
Number of generations for Americans to abolish slavery Alisa Open Discussion 2 (2019)
> Once the United States was created with its Declaration that all men are created equal and have a right to liberty, it took one generation for Americans to abolish slavery at the cost of 350,000 Union lives.

The United States Declaration of Independence was signed and ratified in 1776. The 13th Amendment, which abolished slavery, was ratified in 1865. Almost 90 years passed between those two events. A generation is generally considered to be around [25]([30]( years, so it took more than one generation for Americans to abolish slavery.]]>
Thu, 25 Jun 2020 21:32:09 +0000
curi Politics Discussion
> The legislature has now endorsed this constitutional amendment by the required two thirds vote of both houses, and so it goes to the people in November where a simple majority is needed to ratify it.]]>
Thu, 25 Jun 2020 18:43:37 +0000
curi Politics Discussion
> The California legislature has now voted to strike these words from our state

> “The state shall not discriminate against, or grant preferential treatment to, any individual or group on the basis of race, sex, color, ethnicity, or national origin.”

> I’m speechless.]]>
Thu, 25 Jun 2020 18:42:29 +0000
curi Deplatforming and Fraud

> Another Facebook Insider Details Political Censorship; Current HR Exec 'No One Has White Man’s Back']]>
Thu, 25 Jun 2020 12:38:33 +0000
Anonymous Learning From Discussion Is Hard
Idea tree of above:]]>
Thu, 25 Jun 2020 11:32:53 +0000
curi Mind Map Software Review Thu, 25 Jun 2020 11:25:24 +0000 curi Mind Map Software Review Thu, 25 Jun 2020 11:22:01 +0000 max Mind Map Software Review
Besides svg text being unselectable, was there anything extra wrong with simplemind's export? PDFs seem more reasonable. Other than that I think I can replicate most of what I've seen you do re colors, branches, etc. Haven't used it much tho.

here are some sample exports from simplemind:

Thu, 25 Jun 2020 11:16:23 +0000
Anonymous Project Planning Discussion
I've played with trying to do this before automatically. There are issues with rendering it here, let alone on a mostly empty docs page (as was my case). You should just use the live editor and save or [link the image]( Much easier. [](

You did, at least, make a tree that time. If you use mermaid much, you'll find they get to be painful after a short while (like handling multiline text and quotations). If you do try and do that, you'll need to know `a1["Some<br/>text<br/>— yup"]`. For the most part `<br>` works too, but the error message is indecipherable when it doesn't.]]>
Thu, 25 Jun 2020 10:04:39 +0000
math tree using mermaid-js format Gavin Palmer Project Planning Discussion A[1 - 2 + 3] -->B[+]
B --> C[-]
B --> D[3]
C --> E[1]
C --> F[2]

It would be nice to see a preview in the comment area. I could play with using an svg or image link provided by mermaid-js.]]>
Thu, 25 Jun 2020 06:19:11 +0000
Gavin Palmer What Is an Impasse?
You could run an experiment where you poll a group of people (FI community) to determine the amount of “obviousness”. That is what I was thinking when I used the word. I was thinking that most people here would understand that I was talking about the original impasse. I also used my previous experience with Elliot to judge that he is capable of understanding that I was talking about the original impasse.]]>
Thu, 25 Jun 2020 05:19:07 +0000
Process of Secession Gavin Palmer Mises on Harmony of Interests
It seems to me that one of the fundamental yet neglected duties of government should be to facilitate a process by which people may secede.]]>
Thu, 25 Jun 2020 05:00:13 +0000
Anonymous Goal of Life]]>
Wed, 24 Jun 2020 13:14:48 +0000
oh my god it's turpentine Deplatforming and Fraud]]>
Wed, 24 Jun 2020 01:00:44 +0000
Max Learning From Discussion Is Hard Tue, 23 Jun 2020 23:24:12 +0000 Max Learning From Discussion Is Hard * Does direct discussion mutually imply synchronicity?

Are there good things that are easier to do in direct discussion or happen more often?

Some possibilities that come to mind: (with some counterpoints and counter-counterpoints)

* children learn some of their early morality from social interactions (doing harm, being harmed, etc)
* but they can learn faster from other things, e.g. TCS
* is there a replacement for kids? They might not know how to read or can't read well, etc.
* also learning much faster than adults, so maybe good direct interaction is hard to surpass (for kids only) because demand > supply

* in person reactions might make some (types of?) people consider their own behaviour in retrospect
* compassion more likely if a "real person" is identified, tho only relevant if they're harmed
* there are better ways to learn - needing to harm someone along the way is not good
* introspection is always possible anyway, no need to involve doing it via direct comms
* limited subject matter potential, esp if those types of ppl have a bias in who they directly communicate with

* Aural communication sometimes has higher bandwidth than written comms or reading books
* adaptive protocol, can easily increase bandwidth till more errors occur and back down (like network protocols)
* reactive, too; books don't change their content based on the reader
* less need to search for things
* potentially curated experience
* lower "admin/paperwork"-type overhead
* with the *right pair* of ppl you might get high quality direct communication, but would be an outlier; appropriate specialisation required of both parties
* population increase -> specialisation increase; fewer people to overlap with, *but* increased comparative value of ideas with *reach*
* are philosophy discussions an exception? We would need a reason to think they have some advantage over e.g. FI
* to be better the communication must be very theory-laden with enough good foundations to build on. just being interested in philosophy isn't enough. Presumably there's *some minimum threshold of the right ideas* necessary for this (if it does)

I'm sure there's more to write, but I don't know much about kids' development, or good philosophical discussion.]]>
Tue, 23 Jun 2020 23:23:34 +0000
curi Deplatforming and Fraud]]>
Tue, 23 Jun 2020 13:33:53 +0000
kieren Rationally Resolving Conflicts of Ideas
Ok, I see what you are getting at. It is a question of how we can know if our sample is representative in those respects that we care about.

My understanding is that an induction usually runs with the premise that we have a random, or essentially random sample of the given phenomena. Logically it follows from this premise that such a sample would lead us right more often than not.

So what do I mean by "essentially random", well I’m not so sure how well I can currently describe this, but I will try. For games of chance, or other well understood physical phenomena, we have a clear idea of what is required for a random sample (rolling a dice 30 times, etc), but for more complicated phenomena, such as involved when learning a new skateboard trick, or understanding a social dynamic, etc, then it becomes less clear what is a fair random sample of the phenomena. However, In all cases it seems that we rely on our background knowledge to judge (deduce) the randomness of a sample.

For example, let's say I decide to try and concentrate on throwing myself higher in the air when trying to perform a skateboard trick (in an effort to improve my execution). After a few attempts at this I might conclude that this technique does indeed improve my execution of the trick. My conclusion here is based on the assumption that I have just witnessed a practically, or an “essentially random” sample of the uses of this technique. One reason why I believe this is a random sample is because I might have learned many other ticks and skills in the past in a similar manner. My background knowledge in such a case is something like ‘Focusing my mind on adjusting the movement of my body during the execution of a skill/trick usually has a direct and consistently repeatable outcome on the success of the execution’. So from this I deduce that I would likely be getting a practically random sample of the phenomena (practical for my purposes of improving my execution of this trick, not for predicting the outcome of all such uses of this technique from now and until the end of the universe).]]>
Tue, 23 Jun 2020 03:03:21 +0000
curi Deplatforming and Fraud

> NYT Is Threatening My Safety By Revealing My Real Name, So I Am Deleting The Blog]]>
Tue, 23 Jun 2020 02:01:13 +0000
curi Mind Map Software Review]]>
Sun, 21 Jun 2020 16:00:05 +0000
oh my god it's turpentine Deplatforming and Fraud
The CEO of Parler, a social media platform that claims to value free speech, said Apple was threatening Parler with being unable to update its app unless they banned offensive content.]]>
Sun, 21 Jun 2020 03:55:18 +0000
Anonymous Goal of Life Sat, 20 Jun 2020 21:58:24 +0000 Anonymous Goal of Life
The idea of happiness I hold, is not a “desire” but more of a description. Happiness is not a feeling, it’s not just some result of doing something. It’s that doing that “something” compels you to keep seeking it. And this are objective reasons that exist. So The correct answer to the question “Why do x?” Is “because x exists”. The way it “is” is the reason why someone discovering it(x) would be compeled act to get it. Because he couldn’t do otherwise voluntarily.

This thing that is happiness is a real property thing have. You think that this means that ideas are just instruments we are compelled to use to get happier. So our prime motivation is not the ideas but keep doing that whe are compeled to keep doing by virtue of they way the are.

If that’s what you mean. Then I’m not decided on wether the logic is complete and correct. For one I could ask. Isn’t it that ideas are proposed solutions to problems, and so all your dispositions, (which are also proposed solutions to problems you are aware of)are ideas. And so living by good ideas is all you really have? I can’t answer that yet.I think this is what the purpose of life being good ideas, is. So curi is right.

I take a lot from ideas about esthetics for morality. I agree with with you if you meant what I explained.. My esthetic theories I got it from Deutsch and Rand. Deutch explains why flowers really are beautiful in a similar whay to the way you thing about the “tree’s lower levels of abstraction”. Nah he class this objective beauty. There’s an entire talk about this in YouTube.]]>
Sat, 20 Jun 2020 21:55:16 +0000
curi Apple Discussion Sat, 20 Jun 2020 21:35:45 +0000 Anonymous Politics Discussion
After getting rid of cops in "CHAZ" (6 blocks of Seattle now controlled by antifa and BLM) they had a shooting: one dead (age 19) and one seriously injured in the hospital.

> Person shot dead in autonomous zone days after Seattle's Democratic mayor said CHAZ is 'peaceful'

Some people in CHAZ called the cops, but then others blocked the cops from responding to the call about the shooting and CHAZ people are being largely uncooperative about catching the murderer.

> Seattle's police chief revealed that rapes and robberies are happening in the CHOP, but cops can't respond to them.

> "Our calls for service have more than tripled," Seattle Police Chief Carmen Best said. "These are responses to emergency calls — rapes, robberies, and all sorts of violent acts that have been occurring in the area that we're not able to get to."

Sat, 20 Jun 2020 17:06:59 +0000
Anonymous Intelligence Isn't Speed
When something gets criticized, people worry that many others may also think it's bad, like the critic does, so they commonly want to get rid of it. And if the criticism convinces the OP himself that his message was bad, then the OP will usually assume most other people will also be convinced.]]>
Sat, 20 Jun 2020 16:45:17 +0000
Anonymous Intelligence Isn't Speed
- scrub personal history / accidentally doxxed self, etc
- scrub it before deleting the account for another reason to avoid things coming up in future (otherwise you can _never_ delete the post)
- clean up evidence of sock puppetry?

they're the ones that come to mind, though maybe if someone were protesting some reddit decision they might do it to (like deleting social media accounts) ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

If you ever need to find an old comment there are multiple reddit-history sites that sometimes have posts, and ofc too.]]>
Sat, 20 Jun 2020 16:38:18 +0000
curi Fallible Ideas Learning Plan Sat, 20 Jun 2020 14:26:25 +0000 curi Fallible Ideas Learning Plan
You're still going around trying to teach people FI stuff and here you're taking what should be a post on your blog and sharing it in violation of the 2 summaries per week.]]>
Sat, 20 Jun 2020 14:24:25 +0000
curi Politics Discussion
Sat, 20 Jun 2020 14:04:20 +0000
My learning plan and log GISTE Fallible Ideas Learning Plan
> While I was thinking about my learning plan [3], I thought of the mind as a file cabinet.
> I imagined a file cabinet that is very messy and chaotic vs one that is very organized.
> One is practically impossible to find stuff in and the other is very easy to find stuff in.
> I wouldn't want to try to find something in a messy file cabinet.
> So I guess if your mind is a messy file cabinet you could create a new file cabinet and start over. You could use the Fallible Ideas Learning Plan as a guide to start your new very-organized file cabinet. I guess you'd be including stuff from your old file cabinet if you happen to remember some of it and get lucky enough to find them when you're making your learning plan. And you could continue this process of moving things that you luckily find from your old file cabinet and put it in your new very-organized file cabinet.

Here's my 6/15/2020 learning plan and my log [3].

I used curi's blog post above and the discussion on FI email list about making Anne's learning plan [4] as a guide to making my learning plan.




Sat, 20 Jun 2020 10:08:46 +0000
Full agreement or partial agreement? GISTE What Is an Impasse?
I had previously said X.

was your comment that I quoted meant to be a claim of full agreement with Y?

or only partial agreement with Y? if so, what part of Y do you disagree with?

[process: I decided to use variables to help clarify the logic of our sentences, by avoiding the content details like what X and Y represent.]]]>
Sat, 20 Jun 2020 09:05:15 +0000
Studying Metro route #27 GISTE Mario Odyssey Discussion
Instructions and analysis:

Reread my notes from previous session.

Trial 7 analysis: I did very badly time wise. I guess that’s because I was trying out new things. i’m still bad at remembering to do motion controls. I remember saying it twice during play. I did well following the path described in my notes. I also successfully got the right tank and shot the snake without looking at the other tank or shooting it. I don’t remember paying attention to it. Maybe I killed it after completely killing the snake in the first cycle.

Reread my notes from last session and compare and contrast it against my trial 7.

- Problem: haven’t been remembering to use motion controls. context: I changed my seating position so that I can’t prop my elbows on my knees.
- Brainstorm solutions: for this next trial, try to focus on using motion controls as the main thing to focus on.

Trial 8 analysis: I tried to count how many times I shot and how many times out of those I remembered to use motion controls. i lost count but my best guess is less than 50% success rate.

Reread my notes from last session and compare and contrast it against my trial 8.

- Problem: low success rate of using motion controls when shooting.
- Brainstorm solutions: keep practicing until I’m approximately doing it 100% of the time.

Decide next steps:

1. continuing practicing until ~100% success rate of using motion controls when shooting.
2. Then do timed runs.]]>
Sat, 20 Jun 2020 08:36:37 +0000
Gavin Palmer What Is an Impasse?
I agree that I should not have used the word “obvious”.]]>
Sat, 20 Jun 2020 06:45:56 +0000
Anonymous Reading Resources
My intended purpose was to convert the book - for my own personal use - into a suitable format and listen to it on Voice Dream Reader.

The copy of the book I downloaded still had DRM, and the relevant Calibre plugins for dealing with that did not work. So I currently am not sure of any way to deal with DRM for at least one book. I have not tested other books to see if this is only an issue with newer releases or applies generally.

Also, one of the older versions of Kindle I downloaded actually deleted itself and installed the newest version somehow, which I found kind of bizarre.]]>
Fri, 19 Jun 2020 18:27:13 +0000
m Third Type of Meme: Static Companion Memes Fri, 19 Jun 2020 16:32:20 +0000 Postmortem: incomplete comment Alisa Alisa Discussion
I'm not sure how that happened, but the problem here is similar to the problem I wrote a postmortem about in #13549. Maybe, before I pressed Enter, I accidentally pressed Tab or Option+Tab which put the input focus on the Post Message button.

This kind of error could be prevented by composing my comments in a separate editor window.]]>
Fri, 19 Jun 2020 15:18:34 +0000
Alisa Deplatforming and Fraud
> Ms Hopkins, who had more than one million followers, was previously suspended in January for a week.
> But Twitter said her latest ban is permanent.
> The social network did not, however, say which tweets Ms Hopkins had posted, to result in the ban.
> "Keeping Twitter safe is a top priority for us - abuse and hateful conduct have no place on our service and we will continue to take action when our rules are broken," it said.

Fuck Twitter.]]>
Fri, 19 Jun 2020 14:57:23 +0000
Katie Hopkins permanently banned from Twitter Alisa Deplatforming and Fraud Fri, 19 Jun 2020 14:56:29 +0000 Gab "blacklisted" by Visa Alisa Deplatforming and Fraud
> Gab has been blacklisted by Visa for “promoting hate speech.” [...] We still accept payments via echeck, check by mail, and bitcoin.

So Gab currently cannot take payments by credit card. That's got to be tough.]]>
Fri, 19 Jun 2020 14:53:56 +0000
m Third Type of Meme: Static Companion Memes
Clarification: the _selection_ of ideas to suppress is chosen by the person (who can also, safety for the meme, apply creative effort to coming up with the filters for which ideas to suppress and which to not) because they want it, but the reason they want it is the meme itself.

Also re the opening question I replied to:
> Do static memes replicate within a mind?

If they couldn't at least be generated in a mind they would all have to come from faulty replication or mistakes and luck, but that doesn't feel reasonable when another option is a person trying to suppress another person's rationality (like they were annoying or something). Actually, an idea! need to do some reading on it and things, will post to FI soon if it pans out.

> but also this presumably is _all_ types of crits that there ever will be, because if it weren't and static memes _encouraged_ too much creativite effort then they risk creating new types of crits, but those crits weren't known about, so how could static-memes possibly be replicated so widely and so faithfully and have all this stuff we don't know yet baked in?

Just to follow up / clarify this point: I don't have a problem with static memes having incredible reach and thus blocking new types of crits before they're known about, in the argument I'm quoting I mean to restrict this to]]>
Fri, 19 Jun 2020 14:34:28 +0000
oh my god it's turpentine Deplatforming and Fraud]]>
Fri, 19 Jun 2020 12:05:24 +0000
m Third Type of Meme: Static Companion Memes
> If static memes simply suppress criticism, they can't get more adapted by within-mind evolution. But if they could instead control the types of criticism, then they can benefit from within-mind evolution.

> So I'm thinking static memes do within-mind evolution in some cases while keeping control over the selection (criticism). I think that's a significant way static meme theory is incorrect.

This sounds like the idea in BoI re culture evolving and the 180,000 odd years of cultural stasis being due to _creativity devoted to increasing conformation_ with the society. is that not directed in-mind replication? Granted, the _selection_ itself might not be done directly by the meme (the person is "voluntarily" doing it), but the only reason they value it is because of the static meme, so it's still causal.

> But if they could instead control the types of criticism, then they can benefit from within-mind evolution.

What does "type of criticism" mean? Sounds like the meme / you (unconciously) / your brain would need soem sort of teleology or fundamental classification system of criticism, but a) it's a stretch (is it?) to say there's super deep knowledge like which is also ubiquitous but we as ppl still don't really have any theories of (not to mention we'd have to recreate in every human via memes and learning, or would have to be genetic/inborn), but also this presumably is _all_ types of crits that there ever will be, because if it weren't and static memes _encouraged_ too much creativite effort then they risk creating new types of crits, but those crits weren't known about, so how could static-memes possibly be replicated so widely and so faithfully and have all this stuff we don't know yet baked in?]]>
Fri, 19 Jun 2020 12:02:04 +0000
Studying Metro route #26 GISTE Mario Odyssey Discussion
These are my new notes for section 6.2

Section 6.2: beating the boss

- I noticed that the first thing smallant does is grab the tank to the right (I’ve been getting the one to the left) and then immediately start shooting the snake instead of first killing the other tank.
- Then I noticed that he used exactly 3 shots to kill all the snake segments.
- In the first cycle (after killing the snake segments), aim at the head because it doesn’t move much in this cycle.
- Immediately after the first cycle, I should be towards the right front corner.
- Move into that corner and face the opposite direction and don’t move.
- After the snake goes past, move along the wall to the corner in that direction and turn 180 degrees.
- After the snake goes past again, move left a bit so the snake will exit the wall behind you.
- Move out of the way before the snake hits the tank.
- Turn 180 degrees and aim up to the top of the building while moving backwards.
- Once the tank is aimed at the top of the building, stop moving and aim to the center of the building.
- For the 2nd cycle, after the snake stops moving, try to kill the segments near the head first as those are the ones that become invulnerable first.

Fri, 19 Jun 2020 04:43:44 +0000
curi Deplatforming and Fraud

> > Well, a final point tonight, a kind of coda which really tells you everything about what's happening to our country right now, how it has gone with amazing quickness from one of the most tolerant places of goodwill on the planet to something very different very very fast.

I disagree. Stuff like BLM (and the cultural context to enable it, e.g. the corruption of the universities) has been in process since at the very least 2004 and more broadly since at least the 60s.

False urgency and recency type stuff is really common in news and politics to generate hype, surprise, urgency, etc.]]>
Thu, 18 Jun 2020 20:42:51 +0000
Free-speech domain registrars Anonymous Deplatforming and Fraud Thu, 18 Jun 2020 20:39:17 +0000 Anonymous Open Discussion 2 (2019)

> One of the weirdest things, you know, people on the left right now act like they're on the side of the oppressed. They like to think that they're standing up for the little guy, they're standing up for working people, but on every single one of these major issues, you look at the big Supreme Court cases that have come down the line the past few days, you look at what's happening with the protests, you look at the actual goals of the protests as they've been stated, [e.g.] abolish the police — if you look at public policy polling, 70% of black Americans actually like their local police department. How is it that on all of these big debates, the left finds itself on the side of corporate America, finds itself on the side of international businesses?
> You know, if I was a member of a political movement that stood up for working people and found myself every single time on the side of Amazon, on the side of Apple, on the side of Google, I might ask myself if I've actually chosen the right allies and what it says about me...]]>
Thu, 18 Jun 2020 20:29:19 +0000
Double standards Alisa Open Discussion 2 (2019)
> And then the Black Lives Matter riots started, and we learned that it was all fake. The very same officials who threatened us with arrest for going outside urged their own voters to flood the streets. And they did, and no one was punished. How could this happen? It was such a flagrant double standard. Not even hidden, right in your face. They didn't try to explain it. They didn't bother to justify it. Why? Anyone familiar with totalitarian regimes can tell you exactly why and what's going on…

For some time now, double standards have struck me as a serious issue, and yet it seemed an inappropriately weak kind of moral condemnation to merely state that someone has double standards. After watching the above clip, I now think that double standards:

- are a sign of the *arbitrary exercise of power*
- promote the *rule of man* over of the *rule of law*
- are *totalitarian*

People who promote double standards in public policy are totalitarians.]]>
Thu, 18 Jun 2020 20:23:04 +0000
curi Deplatforming and Fraud Thu, 18 Jun 2020 20:06:06 +0000 curi Deplatforming and Fraud
I don't mean to call them bland. They are OK. Just bland for this reaction. They aren't saying "Heil Hitler" or ranting about jews or saying blacks are inferior or anything remotely like that.

I read a little bit of Daily Stormer after they got deplatformed. They stood out, e.g. they were quite openly anti-semitic. VDARE reads like it could be mainstream in a slightly better world.]]>
Thu, 18 Jun 2020 20:04:22 +0000
Anonymous Deplatforming and Fraud
> We just told you a moment ago that the step-mother of officer Rolfe — the Atlanta cop who's facing the death penalty for the shooting of Rayshard Brooks — was just fired from her job today at a place called Equity Prime Mortgage in the Atlanta area. We told you she was fired with no explanation, obviously, because they disapproved of who her step-son. And in America, we don't do things like that, because it's immoral.
> We just got a statement sent to us from Equity Prime Mortgage. They're blaming Rolfe's step-mother, alluding to social media comments. They don't specify what those are, and they added a long boilerplate comment about how they support diversity. The bottom line is it seems pretty clear they fired this woman because of who her step-son was. And just to re-state the obvious: that shouldn't happen in this country, because it's wrong, and people should say it's wrong or [it'll] continue to keep happening.]]>
Thu, 18 Jun 2020 19:59:59 +0000
Tucker: Officer Garrett Rolfe's step-mother has been let go from her job Anonymous Deplatforming and Fraud
> Well, a final point tonight, a kind of coda which really tells you everything about what's happening to our country right now, how it has gone with amazing quickness from one of the most tolerant places of goodwill on the planet to something very different very very fast. So we've been telling you this story of the [Atlanta] police officer charged [with felony murder in the shooting death of Rayshard Brooks], officer [Garrett] Rolfe. Until today, his stepmother, her name is Melissa Rolfe, was the HR director at a place called equity prime mortgage in Atlanta, GA. But today, she was let go. She's no longer in that role. Apparently, she was fired, and her only crime was being officer Rolfe's stepmother. According to a source familiar with the matter who spoke to this program, Rolfe was promised that her job was safe, but today she was told, and we're quoting, "We have to terminate our relationship with you." No other explanation was offered, and honestly, no other explanation was needed: it was obvious what happened. Rolfe has already been scrubbed from the company's web site. Wiped away, as the Bolsheviks did with those who lost favor with Josef Stalin. That will keep happening until lawmakers decide to resist the mob and protect ordinary people from its predations. This is where the country is going. It's becoming a place where you can be punished for the supposed misdeeds of your relatives. You don't want to be that country. All of us should put on the brakes immediately.]]>
Thu, 18 Jun 2020 19:53:27 +0000
Anonymous Deplatforming and Fraud]]>
Thu, 18 Jun 2020 19:52:10 +0000
curi Deplatforming and Fraud

Less confusing, slightly. But still uhhh...]]>
Thu, 18 Jun 2020 16:33:04 +0000
curi Deplatforming and Fraud

> fried chicken and watermelon can't be both precious cultural heritage worth uplifting and an unutterable taboo you ignoramuses

Apparently you just aren't allowed to mention fried chicken, or any(?) race-associated food, sometimes (other times it's fine).]]>
Thu, 18 Jun 2020 16:25:23 +0000
curi Deplatforming and Fraud

The result:

> **A message from George Mason University leadership**

> We have learned that George Mason University Professor, Robin Hanson, posted a tweet that is highly objectionable.

> As leaders of George Mason University, we express our profound reaction of repugnance about this posting. The posting by Professor Hanson is offensive. It does not represent the views of our university and is inconsistent with our values. His words are hurtful.

> The tweet is under review.]]>
Thu, 18 Jun 2020 16:17:08 +0000
curi Gaming Discussion
Major mutable state bug found in Breath of the Wild.]]>
Thu, 18 Jun 2020 12:44:38 +0000
Anonymous What Is an Impasse?
He thought X and said Y. He was communicating dishonestly and hiding his actual thoughts and reactions. The conversation didn't address the problems he was having because he intentionally worked to prevent problem solving by putting his effort into hiding, not solving, the problems. He tried to act robotic himself, in bad ways that he knew were bad, in some sort of bizarre attempt to pretend to be something he didn't understand.

> If you use your impasse rules in a conversation with someone who has never heard of your impasse rules then you risk ignoring the person and their ideas.

Similarly he didn't understand what impasses were due to being his policies of not clicking links, not asking questions, and communicating dishonestly to hide ignorance and problems rather than get them addressed. (Plus lack of skill at understanding what was said to him directly in the thread.) He doesn't take responsibility for his failures and try for self-improvement though; he prefers to blame other people and outside circumstances.]]>
Thu, 18 Jun 2020 12:30:49 +0000
Impasse 5 curi Project Planning Discussion
I'm ending the conversation here and I'm not interested in having any other conversations with you. I have better things to do.

As a way forward now, I suggest solo learning or talking with someone else interested in FI.]]>
Thu, 18 Jun 2020 12:14:44 +0000
Studying Metro route #25 GISTE Mario Odyssey Discussion
Trial 5 analysis: I didn’t die. I got hit once by projectiles. I only needed 2 phases of projectiles, meaning that I hit all the snake segments with each phase. I mostly didn’t use motion control to aim. I remember using motion control for shooting the tank. I don’t recall using motion control for any of the snake segments.

Reread my notes from last session and compare and contrast it against my trial 5.

- Problem: I still haven’t managed to incorporate this “Possible to shoot all segments without readjusting aim.” I think at most I shot two consecutive snake segments without readjusting aim. I also did not try to start by shooting the head. The snake moves much faster than I’m able to aim at it.
- Brainstorm solutions: maybe I could just wait until the snake stops moving, aim at the head and shoot it, then without changing aim, let the snake start moving again and shoot every other segment.

Trial 6 analysis: I didn’t do well shooting snake segments without changing aim. I found that my aim changes even without using motion control or the direction pad. I’m wondering if my controller is broken. Or maybe aim adjusts due to recoil from a shot. It took me 3 phases of projectiles to beat the boss. I didn’t die at all. I think I got hit 3 times with projectiles.

Reread my notes and compare and contrast it against my trial 6.

- Problem: i noticed at one point that my elbows were propped on my knees, which prevents using motion control.
- Brainstorm solutions: remember to use motion controls. Remember to avoid propping my elbows on my knees so I can be free to use motion controls.

Decide next steps: rewatch video guide to look for things I missed.]]>
Thu, 18 Jun 2020 07:39:32 +0000
Escape flag and giving benefit of the doubt GISTE What Is an Impasse?
I don't claim to understand the impasse concept adequately (haven’t error corrected it enough and didn’t get feedback from other people) but I have an idea that might help.

> I think your impasse rules algorithm need an escape flag which gives the other person the benefit of the doubt.

I think his policy does give the other person the benefit of the doubt, a ton. Any of the claimed impasses can be criticized by the other person (which I think you did on one particular impasse claim), which is a way progress can be made towards the original discussion. Also the impasse policy itself can be criticized by the other person (which you did in the comment I’m replying to), which is another way progress can be made towards the original discussion.

> If the other person is obviously focused on the original impasse then you should be willing to try and resolve the original impasse which might then make all other impasses in the chain irrelevant.

The concept of “obvious” is a mistake. It you’re assuming that you and Elliot share the same understanding about whether or not you were focussed on the original impasse. To clarify, I don’t know whether or not he agrees with you on that. My only point is that it’s a mistake to assume that he does agree with you on that.]]>
Thu, 18 Jun 2020 06:00:53 +0000
meant to be funny anecdote Gavin Palmer What Is an Impasse? Thu, 18 Jun 2020 05:17:05 +0000 Impasse Rules Criticism Gavin Palmer What Is an Impasse?
If you use your impasse rules you are requiring that the other person follow your impasse rules in order for the original topic of conversation to continue. This means you may be waiting for the other person to resolve impasse 3 while the other person is still trying to resolve the initial impasse. This results in you ignoring the other person who is obviously focusing on the original impasse. This is especially challenging for a person who is concerned with solving core problems (the original impasse) while you are concenred with solving the latest impasse in the chain.

Your impasse rules are too rigid in my opinion. If you follow the impasse rules like a robot then you will have conversations which end needlessly because either (1) the other person didn’t understand your rigid impasse rules or (2) the other person did understand your rigid impasse rules and disagreed with them so much that they chose to spend their time and energy elsewhere because they think conversation rules should have more flexibility.

I think your impasse rules algorithm need an escape flag which gives the other person the benefit of the doubt. If the other person is obviously focused on the original impasse then you should be willing to try and resolve the original impasse which might then make all other impasses in the chain irrelevant.]]>
Thu, 18 Jun 2020 05:11:36 +0000
oh my god it's turpentine Deplatforming and Fraud]]>
Wed, 17 Jun 2020 23:59:11 +0000
Gavin Palmer Project Planning Discussion
I put forth effort. So this is not true. A tree can be done like this:

Wed, 17 Jun 2020 16:00:45 +0000
Impasse 4 curi Project Planning Discussion Wed, 17 Jun 2020 09:54:54 +0000 Studying Metro route #24 GISTE Mario Odyssey Discussion
Trial 3: didn’t die. I got hit by projectiles twice. My aiming with motion controls doesn’t seem to be working. I still resort a lot to aiming with the direction pad. For the last phase of projectiles, where there was only 1 more snake segment to shoot, I didn’t try to shoot the projectiles and instead I just tried to avoid them as I was focussed on shooting the snake segment.

Reread my notes and compare and contrast it against my trial 3.

- I haven’t managed to incorporate this “Possible to shoot all segments without readjusting aim.”

Trial 4: didn’t die. I didn’t get hit by projectiles but I screwed up early and got hit by the tank before I got control of it. i did get a bunch of hits in without changing aim (instead of not doing any of that previously). I had 3 phases of projectiles, which is the least I’ve managed so far (I think it goes down to 2 phases if you hit all the snake segments per phase).

Reread my notes and compare and contrast it against my trial 4.

- I’m still not using motion control to aim much but I’ve noticed that there are cases where I use the direction pad to quickly move my aim in the general area of where I want it and then I use motion control to get closer to where I want.

Next steps: Do another session like this and then then rewatch video guide. Then start doing timed runs.]]>
Wed, 17 Jun 2020 08:31:18 +0000
Gavin Palmer Project Planning Discussion Wed, 17 Jun 2020 08:10:52 +0000 Anonymous Deplatforming and Fraud]]>
Tue, 16 Jun 2020 17:35:35 +0000
Anonymous Deplatforming and Fraud]]>
Tue, 16 Jun 2020 17:33:07 +0000
curi Deplatforming and Fraud
> Skai Jackson Needs to be SHUT DOWN

She's gaining Twitter popularity by encouraging her followers to harass and dox people who do or say something unPC.

She'll attack 12 year olds and post info like where they live and what school they go to. She's getting college applicants rejected to try to ruin their lives.

Most of the info is sent to her by followers and she does nothing to check if it's true.

Some of the info she posts is or could easily be out of context. E.g. she posted a 1 second video of someone saying a word. Another video was 3 seconds. You don't even get the full sentence for context. It could be talking about what someone else said or many other things; who knows.]]>
Tue, 16 Jun 2020 13:21:52 +0000
Impasse 3 curi Project Planning Discussion
This is now a length 3 impasse chain.]]>
Tue, 16 Jun 2020 12:05:12 +0000
Studying Metro route #23 GISTE Mario Odyssey Discussion
Trial 1: died once. I was bad at aiming. I was also bad at being aware of the oncoming projectiles so I got hit a lot.

I reread my notes and compared and contrasted it against my trial 1.

- I mostly forgot to aim with motion controls
- I mostly forgot about not leaving 3 bullets in the air at once. I’m also not sure whether or not I overheated

Trial 2: did not die. I was a bit better at aiming but not much. I was much better about being aware of the oncoming projectiles. I also shot most of them out of the air before getting near me. Some of them I let pass by me as I started to shoot the snake segments. I remember getting hit once by a projectile while being aware of it and trying to get out of it’s path. I remember being surprised that I got it because I thought I cleared it’s path.

I reread my notes and compared and contrasted it against my trial 2.

- I improved a little bit with using the motion control to aim. I often resorted to using the direction pad to aim.
- I don’t think I ever overheated. I remember being concerned about it because I was shooting a lot and I remember thinking that my shots must been hitting quick enough so that I didn’t have more than 3 bullets in the air at a time.
- I remember wanting to shoot the head but it was so far away from where my aim already was and there were other segments that were very close to my then current aim so I resorted to shooting them (low hanging fruit) instead of re-aiming towards the head.

I think I’ll do this a few more times and then I’m going to rewatch the video to see if I can figure out more things that I didn’t figure out on my first viewing prior to any trials.]]>
Tue, 16 Jun 2020 11:41:05 +0000
curi Making Idea Trees Tue, 16 Jun 2020 11:16:51 +0000 Gavin Palmer Project Planning Discussion Tue, 16 Jun 2020 10:40:05 +0000 nikluk Making Idea Trees Tue, 16 Jun 2020 02:07:34 +0000 Impasse 2 curi Project Planning Discussion
This is now a length 2 [impasse chain](]]>
Mon, 15 Jun 2020 12:47:11 +0000
Gavin Palmer Project Planning Discussion Mon, 15 Jun 2020 04:19:42 +0000 Gavin Palmer Project Planning Discussion
You could try to explain why you believe I am using these relationships incorrectly?

> Your answer regarding the math tree is both unclear (again) and wrong (again).

Can you do the tree in your comment section without using a link to an image?

> So we're at an impasse.

You have to be willing to learn if you want to have a conversation. I have proven my willingness to learn. I don’t believe there needs to be anything more than a sincere willingness to learn.]]>
Mon, 15 Jun 2020 04:18:05 +0000
YouTube is automatically deleting any comments about “black lives matter violence” Anonymous Deplatforming and Fraud Sun, 14 Jun 2020 21:54:25 +0000 Impasse curi Project Planning Discussion
Your answer regarding the math tree is both unclear (again) and wrong (again).

We're at an impasse. You:

1. Discuss in ways I regard as disorganized, chaotic, ineffective and unproductive.
2. Have not proposed any solutions, such as an organized discussion method.
3. Agreed to learn and use the method I suggested (involving trees), but have not followed up by acting accordingly. E.g. you apparently don't want to make the effort to actually make the math tree or the clause tree (you also don't seem to know how and aren't asking questions to learn, but you could have at least made the effort to use MindNode).

I see no way forward because there is no discussion method you're willing and able to use to enable discussion to be productive.

From my pov (point of view), you're making a stream of errors which are mostly not being corrected, including arithmetic errors, but you persist in trying to say and deal with sophisticated, complex things (which you get wrong) instead of focusing on things that would be successful.

You have not provided any way of proceeding that make sense from my pov, and you haven't been cooperative with my attempts at problem solving. Saying you agree with stuff and not acting accordingly is actually worse for me, and harder to deal with, than expressing disagreement.

So we're at an impasse.]]>
Sun, 14 Jun 2020 14:56:25 +0000
oh my god it's turpentine Project Planning Discussion Sun, 14 Jun 2020 12:43:32 +0000 Gavin Palmer Reform Requires Reason
From John McWhorter:
- end the war on drugs
- make sure that all poor women have long acting reproductive contraception available to them at no or little charge
- make sure that any child below a certain income level is taught to read via phonics rather than via whole world method
- cherish and support vocational training
- get rid of the idea that to be a human being you have to go to four years where you pretend to enjoy Shakespeare]]>
Sun, 14 Jun 2020 06:02:00 +0000
Gavin Palmer Project Planning Discussion
>> An externality can be a cost or a benefit. An externality is a broad type of costs and benefits which should be considered when doing good work.

> That doesn't answer the question. It makes two claims about externalities. It makes zero statements about what the connection is.

There is a “is a” connection and a “has a” relationship. The externality “is a” type of cost and benefit. The fact that externalities exist “has a” impact on what it means to do good work. (I am typing this to help you see how my brain creates trees. In software, the “is a” and “has a” relationships can be used quite often and they are valuable.)

Do you object to “is-a” and “has-a” relationships? It seems Goldratt didn’t use these kinds of relationships.

>>> For example, could you make a tree of 1-2+3?

>> 2 + 3 = 5

>> 5 - 1 = 4

> That response isn't a tree. It's also indecipherable or wrong as an arithmetic answer.

I tried to have the answer use indentations to indicate a tree in the response. Thank you for pointing out my math mistake. (I was willing to try to do a small tree without some external tool. The cost was low to try and do this simple tree. Obviously my brain didn’t treat the simple problem seriously enough because I didn’t double check my work.)



>>> And what about [making a tree] of this:

>> An analysis on this tree could lead to a conversation about the problems of our judicial systems and the problems with systems in general.

> An analysis "on" (of) what tree? You didn't make a tree (as I had suggested as a next step).

I make trees in my head. I chose not to do this tree and instead try to do the simple math tree. I’m trying to intentionally consider the cost and benefit of my actions.]]>
Sun, 14 Jun 2020 03:37:40 +0000
My Amazon Review of Just The Truth curi What To Read
Just like LaGreca's previous book Noble Vision, Just the Truth borrows heavily from the books Atlas Shrugged and The Fountainhead by Ayn Rand. LaGreca goes beyond borrowing philosophical themes and ideas from Rand's philosophy, Objectivism. LaGreca also uses specific scenes, characters and plot points from Rand's best known books.

LaGreca is an Objectivist who has associated with prominent Objectivists such as former Ayn Rand Institute board members.

This would all be totally fine except that, bizarrely, LaGreca gives no credit at all to Rand or Objectivism.

As a huge fan of Rand myself, I find inferior copies of Rand to be still worth reading. I'm glad someone is trying to write something similar to Rand. But I'm disturbed by the lack of credit given. People should know that they are reading knockoffs and be informed that the originals exist too, and they might like to read them. Doesn't LaGreca want to inspire people to read her own inspiration, Ayn Rand? Or does LaGreca want to tell a lie, contrary to the book's title and theme, that she's more of an original thinker than she is? Or is LaGreca hiding from the controversy associated with Ayn Rand, just like the villains in this book hide from truths that offend and alienated some people?]]>
Sun, 14 Jun 2020 00:21:51 +0000
Anarcho-communists and Black Lives Matter Alisa Open Discussion 2 (2019)
[Another Word for White Ally is Coward]( is a communist anarchist critique of the *white ally* concept:

> To be a White Ally is to stop thinking for one’s self, to blindly follow a leader based on no other criteria than their identity. At least this is what is demanded of us by those who would make us into Allies.
> The concept of the White Ally is bankrupt. One cannot be an ally to a category of people. To speak the words “I am a White Ally to people of color” is to commit an act of double speak, to internalize non-sense. There is no singular black voice that can be listened to, no authentic community leadership which to follow. There are only many different people with different ideas, life experiences and perspectives. To think otherwise, to think that all black people share a common opinion is extremely problematic, one might even say racist...

[With Allies Like These]( is a communist anarchist critique of the concept of *intersectionality*:

> Intersectionality is often evoked in a manner that isolates and reifies social categories without adequately drawing attention to common ground. Crucial to its analysis is an emphasis on a politics of difference—it is asserted that our identities and social locations necessarily differentiate us from those who do not share those identities and social locations. So, for example, a working class queer woman will not have the same experiences and by extension, the same interests as an affluent woman who is straight. Similarly, a cis-man of colour will not have the same experiences and by extension the same interests as a trans* man of colour, and so on and so forth. Within this framework, difference is the fundamental unit of analysis and that which proceeds and defines identity. This practice works to isolate and sever connections between people in that it places all of its emphasis on differentiation.
> ... in focusing only on difference we lose sight of the fact that both are exploited under capitalism, and have a shared interest in organizing to challenge Capital.
> As class struggle anarchists then we identify the class struggle as one against this “double dependence” as we struggle against the conditions which are necessary for capitalism to reproduce itself.
> ... we must strive for a class struggle which directs us towards the abolition of the divisions within our class that are necessary to uphold capitalism.

My take: anarcho-communists want to tear down Western civilization. They don't care about BLM per se, though they have some goals in common with BLM, including [abolishing the police](

As far as I can tell, the main thing that BLM-related rallies offer anarcho-communists is the opportunity to instigate, encourage, and contribute to chaos and destruction:


Sat, 13 Jun 2020 19:13:53 +0000
curi Project Planning Discussion
> An externality can be a cost or a benefit. An externality is a broad type of costs and benefits which should be considered when doing good work.

That doesn't answer the question. It makes two claims about externalities. It makes zero statements about what the connection is.

> > For example, could you make a tree of 1-2+3?

> 2 + 3 = 5

> 5 - 1 = 4

That response isn't a tree. It's also indecipherable or wrong as an arithmetic answer.

>> And what about [making a tree] of this:

> An analysis on this tree could lead to a conversation about the problems of our judicial systems and the problems with systems in general.

An analysis "on" (of) what tree? You didn't make a tree (as I had suggested as a next step).

Three times in a row (the examples above in this message; your other text was problematic too btw) you were not responsive to what I said. Your replies don't engage with me. I don't know where to go from here because you seem to be unwilling or unable to write text which is responsive to what I say, and you seem to have already stopped trying to learn a discussion method (trees) that would help with that problem, right after expressing your willingness to learn it.]]>
Sat, 13 Jun 2020 13:15:01 +0000
Gavin Palmer Project Planning Discussion
> OK. That makes more sense. Now I'm looking at the value branch because it's on top (first).

I didn’t prioritize the root node children from top to bottom. My first impression of the tree was that the depth and number of descendants within indicate what I prioritize. BTW - I started reading Goldratt’s “It’s Not LUCK” yesterday and I am enjoying it.

> There are many types of value. The nodes under "value" don't clarify what you're writing about except partially, indirectly by mentioning money and externalities.

I didn’t think there was a need to go deeper into this subtree. I didn’t think I needed to try and go into all of the different kinds of costs and benefits. I just wanted to recognize the truth that the monetary price of a good or service does not always relate to the actual value.

> Value is not always related to money b/c e.g. friendship is a value. And education. And trust. And fame. And political power. And flying under the radar so you aren't doxed. And avoiding politics so you aren't frustrated all the time. And much more.

Taking children seriously isn’t guaranteed to be a financially profitable endeavor.

> Also I don't know why:

>> Value is not always related to money because of externalities.

> is a child of

>> Value depends on all the costs and benefits.

> What is the connection between the two?

An externality can be a cost or a benefit. An externality is a broad type of costs and benefits which should be considered when doing good work.

> I think you should begin practicing with organizing existing stuff into a tree instead of trying to create stuff while also creating a tree. Practice should initially focus on one thing at a time. Otherwise you run into too many problems at once. Does that make sense?

> For example, could you make a tree of 1-2+3?

2 + 3 = 5
5 - 1 = 4

> And what about of this:


>> 3. *Presumption of competence.* Because being accused of mental illness is similar to being accused of crime, we ought to presume that psychiatric "defendants" are mentally competent, just as we presume that criminal defendants are legally innocent. Individuals charged with criminal, civil, or interpersonal offenses ought never to be treated as incompetent solely on the basis of the opinion of mental health experts. Incompetence ought to be a judicial determination and the "accused" ought to have access to legal representation and a right to trial by jury.

An analysis on this tree could lead to a conversation about the problems of our judicial systems and the problems with systems in general.

> There are often multiple different valid ways to make trees from text. The goal is a good, useful tree and to avoid any clear errors. Some judgment is needed – it's not just a mechanical process. Level of detail is an area that's particularly flexible. You could break down every sentence and analyze its components. And the entire paragraph could be one node in a bigger tree. In this case, I suggest doing one node per clause.

> This may be too hard but I guessed you'd want to at least try it before maybe doing something simpler. So it's a real example of intellectual discourse from an (IMO) top thinker.

Szasz seems like a top level thinker from my cursory overview.

I am most concerned with figuring out how to make top level thinkers have more influence and bottom level thinkers have less influence.]]>
Sat, 13 Jun 2020 06:50:47 +0000
Gavin Palmer Project Planning Discussion
> Which video?]]>
Sat, 13 Jun 2020 05:53:10 +0000
curi Podcast Discussion
Social people are sometimes especially alone. What's it like to be in a room of people but you feel like you can't talk to anyone honestly, you can't open up, you just have to put on a smile and fit in with the group? Lots of people are like that all the time. They have a ton of friends but no good friends they can actually talk to. They are around people all the time but without feeling like anyone actually understands them or they've really connected with anyone.]]>
Sat, 13 Jun 2020 01:50:51 +0000
curi The CCP Coronavirus
> Study: Coronavirus May Have Begun in August

and other China news]]>
Fri, 12 Jun 2020 20:02:24 +0000
curi Mario Odyssey Discussion
It also has great video production values in *concretely useful* ways. They put effort into making *functionally useful* graphs, animations, etc. And they did it while solving hard technical problems. This is the kind of quality work that Google would be lucky to get from a coders they pay $300,000/yr (this kind of productivity and effectiveness would be maybe a top 5% result at google? guessing, idk specifically).

Also it's a great example of how speedrunning causes people to run into hard problems and encourages them to actually solve the problems instead of giving up fast. Most people aren't nearly persistent enough to care much about a problem like this, let alone solve it. Most people declare this kind of problem is impossible to solve early on (no doubt many people who have *never played the game once* have said so).

And it's a great example of how *knowledge of reality gives you power to control reality*. This excites Linkus very visibly in the clip example where he beats the game with no misses, which is a great demonstration of how powerful his approach is for making reality turn out the way he wants it to.

I also appreciated Linkus mentioning how he learned to play with one hand on the controller and one on the keyboard in order to go fast. And he's so good at this that people thought it was being automated by software instead of something he did manually.

And the video is a good example of *not* overreaching. They actually know what they're talking about (not faking) and aren't trying to add in a bunch of extra, unnecessary sophisticated or complicated stuff.

I watched a different video right before seeing this comment:

> Destroying the Fabric of Society - My Truth and Social Justice

And I had those thoughts about not overreaching *for that video* from Upper Echelon Gamers. Then they applied again to the Linkus video too.]]>
Fri, 12 Jun 2020 19:53:14 +0000