curi blog comments http://curi.us/comments/recent Explanations for the curious en-us Lepus Fuck China Mon, 17 Feb 2020 01:34:30 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15482 http://curi.us/comments/show/15482 Lepus Fuck China
Oh an I'm also confused what you mean by this?

>> When people want other people's stuff, there are two ways of getting it: take their stuff or pay for their stuff.

>Do you agree that that's false and thoughtless?

Physically those are the only two ways you can get something from someone else. Either you use force and just take it from them or you do something so they will give it to you voluntarily, this is a true dichotomy. Either you use force or you don't. Are there different ways to get something from someone?
That statement is just factual it's not talking about the morality of it either (because of course using force is wrong) so you couldn't be saying it's false and thoughtless on those grounds because no ethical claim is being made.

So what are you saying is false and thoughtless about the statement?]]>
Mon, 17 Feb 2020 01:20:16 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15481 http://curi.us/comments/show/15481
Zed Shaw criticizes Lambda School for operating illegally in CA Alisa Open Discussion 2 (2019)
[Zed Shaw wrote, criticizing code bootcamps](https://twitter.com/lzsthw/status/1212284566431576069):

> If you are contemplating joining a coding bootcamp in 2020 then let me give you a list of the top scams they use to steal your money (yes, even with an ISA, the #1 scam):

> ...

> #5: Not being registered as a real school in their state and not following the laws regarding refunds. Flatiron did this for years and got sued for $350k then had to be rescued by crazy Adam Nuemann and WeWork. Lambda Schools is also operating illegally in CA.

Shaw doesn't say what a "real school" is or why Lambda should have to register as one. (Here's a [Twitter thread by someone else with some info](https://twitter.com/sandofsky/status/1211717254712135680) that I only skimmed.) CA's education regulations allow shit shows like UC Berkeley to operate with *public funding*. If those regulations also forbid Lambda from running its for-profit coding bootcamps, it may be the regulations that are at fault, not Lambda.

The argument below, tweeted by Matt Gilliland [in reply to Shaw's point #5](https://twitter.com/MattBGilliland/status/1214299828324319233), makes sense to me:

> Not being an accredited school doesn't make a bootcamp a scam -- in fact, in some cases it may be a signal that you're actually innovating. And again, what's the comparison? Many accredited schools are scams, and many are bad without being a scam.]]>
Sun, 16 Feb 2020 23:09:28 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15480 http://curi.us/comments/show/15480
Anonymous Fuck China
If you actually watched the whole video before making gotcha comments you would understand he was describing the thought process prior to Adam Smith's wealth of nations. Where nations didn't trade and just fought over trade routes.]]>
Sun, 16 Feb 2020 21:12:59 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15479 http://curi.us/comments/show/15479
curi Fuck China
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhMAt3BluAU

Around 35s he says (all quotes are rough paraphrases):

> When people want other people's stuff, there are two ways of getting it: take their stuff or pay for their stuff.

Do you agree that that's false and thoughtless?

Then he continues by saying, roughly:

> If you pay for people's stuff, that will increase someone else's wealth, which is why most states throughout history have made strict trade barriers.

Do you think that's true?

Around 1:30 he says China has the world's most efficient state. Do you think that's true?]]>
Sun, 16 Feb 2020 20:34:07 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15478 http://curi.us/comments/show/15478
Lepus Fuck China
>China isn't a single, unified thing. It's made up of many individuals. The evil of most of those individuals is questionable. So should the US, as a collective, ban trade with all Chinese people, as a collective?

I never said ban trade with "all Chinese people, as a collective", the Chinese government isn't the Chinese people. I just said ban all trade with China the country which is highly controlled by the Chinese government. Trade is collaborative and due to the nature in which the Chinese government rules to the degree it does, it means collaborating with even Chinese individuals, let alone the giant Chinese Corporation which are highly integrated into the Chinese state , *in China* means collaborating with the Chinese government necessarily. The problem with that is it made the most authoritarian nation in the world the second biggest economy in the world, with all the power that comes with that and which it has brazenly used. Kraut brilliantly outlines this in his excellent video on China https://youtu.be/hhMAt3BluAU. Simply in any collaboration between two men (or two groups) who hold different basic principles, it is the more evil or irrational one who wins. Who is eviler and more irrational than the Chinese government?

>That would forbid some Americans from trading with some non-evil Chinese people.

Yes, and I am a pro-open borders person. There should be a system in place like the one given to the Cuban exiles so non-evil Chinese people can escape and trade freely without the evil Chinese government in the picture. I don't think the point in which we stop trading with China is when we are literally at war with them. I think the Chinese government is an enemy, but I don't think warfare is a good idea either. Stopping trade is good enough.

>And a ban on trade with China is not politically possible, and would confuse people

I don't think whether if it is politically possible, due to current political opinion, has anything to do with whether we should do it or advocate it. This sounds purely like pragmatism. You are an objectivist so I assume you are for laissez-faire capitalism, but by that logic laissez-faire capitalism by being equally politically impossible, due to current political opinion, then you should be against laissez-faire capitalism. But clearly you do advocate laissez-faire capitalism because I don't think you are a pragmatist. Which is what you are expressing now.

>It'd also be valuable to accompany the ban with getting the support of many other countries, especially the best ones, rather than their opposition.

I agree, that was the idea behind trade agreements like the TPP (or the TTIP) which was to create trade bloc with south-east pacific and American countries which cut China out. Of course, Trump destroyed this giving yet more power to the Chinese. The US currently seeks to isolate itself and give more to the Chinese for the taking.]]>
Sun, 16 Feb 2020 20:16:44 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15477 http://curi.us/comments/show/15477
curi Open Discussion 2 (2019)
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCv_vLHiWVBh_FR9vbeuiY-A/featured]]>
Sun, 16 Feb 2020 12:14:11 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15476 http://curi.us/comments/show/15476
Facebook/Instagram Deplatforms McInnes, Soph, Milo and more curi Deplatforming and Fraud
> Censored.tv, formerly FreeSpeech.tv, founded by Vice co-founder and Proud Boy founder Gavin McInnes, has been banned across all Facebook-owned platforms, namely Facebook and Instagram.

> The platform, which has roughly 15,000 monthly subscribers, is popular for its hosts, who have mostly been banned from popular platforms like Twitter and YouTube—including Gavin McInnes, Milo Yiannopolous, Joe Biggs, Laura Loomer, and Soph.

(Soph was formerly LtCorbis.)

FB/IG censors links to the site in addition to kicking those people (and their associates like a show engineer) off FB/IG. You can't even PM a link to your friend.]]>
Sun, 16 Feb 2020 12:00:04 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15475 http://curi.us/comments/show/15475
curi Deplatforming and Fraud
In this one, in last 20 seconds, Fuentes says ethnicity and race are what matter, not ideology and ideas.

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1196606504637521920

This one is pro-Mussolini.]]>
Sun, 16 Feb 2020 11:55:37 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15474 http://curi.us/comments/show/15474
curi Deplatforming and Fraud
The guy who made that tweet thread of Fuentes saying awful stuff is unreasonable but that doesn't matter to evaluating the vids where Fuentes speaks for himself (it didn't look edited and was long enough I don't think it was clipped out of context).

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1196604440238862343

> Fuentes is a Racist:

> Fuentes was at the Charlottesville white supremacy and Nazi march

Going to Charlottesville at all proves you're racist?

This vid is awful too (has a jump cut in the middle but doesn't seem misleading):

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1196604600872251393

Says e.g. blacks being forced to drink out of separate water fountains was no big deal.

---

There's more in that thread, and it sucks, but none of it compares to the Green New Deal, which is far worse. Democrats are more despicable, quite openly, about many things, and don't get marginalized for it, let alone deplatformed. Lots of them are openly racist and anti-semitic too. BDS and other lefty anti-semitism is currently a larger threat to Jews and Israel than the less-popular and less-political-policy-affecting Fuentes-style anti-semitism.

Fuentes is doing this stuff partly to get attention, partly for in-group social signaling, partly to break taboos and stand up to political correctness, partly perhaps because he doesn't know about a better package deal of ideas to select for himself (with requirements like not racist against whites, pro-American, not letting in millions of third worlders to change America, etc.). Fuentes might change a bit if he got more mainstream. Or not. I don't know. With people like AOC, Hillary or Bernie, we can't even give them that maybe.

Just this morning I saw on Twitter that Richard Dawkins basically agrees with "race realist" views on IQ and eugenics. When lefty scientists don't know how to deny it, how is Fuentes supposed to know better?

https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/1228943686953664512

Dawkins:

> It’s one thing to deplore eugenics on ideological, political, moral grounds. It’s quite another to conclude that it wouldn’t work in practice. Of course it would. It works for cows, horses, pigs, dogs & roses. Why on earth wouldn’t it work for humans? Facts ignore ideology.

Wrong and he has no [Paths Forward](http://fallibleideas.com/paths-forward), but the mainstream "scientific" part of our culture doesn't know better. The main opposition to this is the religious view that humans are special, not the BoI view about universal knowledge creators.

If Dawkins is right, of course race and various intellectual traits correlate today.

I saw the Dawkins tweet because it was retweeted by the anti-racist, not-at-all-Nazi or "alt right", smart and broadly reasonable @stucchio]]>
Sun, 16 Feb 2020 11:39:47 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15473 http://curi.us/comments/show/15473
Studying Metro route #16 GISTE Mario Odyssey Discussion
- Success

- Fail. Fell in 5.4 and recovered, but fell again in 5.3.

- Fail. In 5.4, crashed into the final platform. Not sure why.

- Success

- Success

- Fail. Same as last fail. I think I should be aiming left a bit at the start of the long jump.

- Fail. Fell in 5.4. Aiming left didn’t help.

- Success. Slow in 5.2. [1]

- Success. Slow in 5.2. [1]

[1] Why slow in 5.2? I’ve been succeeding in 5.1 more often now, and that often puts me in a position where I’m recovering from almost falling off the moving platform. While recovering from that, I’m often not in the same situation as I’m accustomed to for the start of 5.2. So sometimes that means failing to do the triple jump and then hitting the bottom of the moving platform that is coming down as I’m trying to pass under it.]]>
Sun, 16 Feb 2020 06:52:34 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15472 http://curi.us/comments/show/15472
oh my god it's turpentine Deplatforming and Fraud
I think Fuentes is actually anti-Semitic cuz of this clip:

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1196604727276064768]]>
Sun, 16 Feb 2020 00:05:37 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15471 http://curi.us/comments/show/15471
curi Deplatforming and Fraud
https://twitter.com/michellemalkin/status/1228365019102011393

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Sat, 15 Feb 2020 15:01:54 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15470 http://curi.us/comments/show/15470
curi Deplatforming and Fraud
![](https://curi.us/img/RH1OywJZ9cC3vII-612x146.png)

I've liked some stuff Paul Joseph Watson said in the past.]]>
Sat, 15 Feb 2020 14:59:11 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15469 http://curi.us/comments/show/15469
curi Deplatforming and Fraud
![](https://curi.us/img/jgTi6F11aHffNX0-604x554.png)

Apparently Shapiro has been fucking with Fuentes for a while – and being evasive about the actual issues – to the point that Fuentes confronted him IRL.]]>
Sat, 15 Feb 2020 14:58:02 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15468 http://curi.us/comments/show/15468
curi Deplatforming and Fraud
Maybe it's just cuz the YT form letter, besides mentioning hate speech, also mentions inciting or glorifying violence. But it doesn't accuse Fuentes of that, it just lists it as one of the things he might have done. They don't like to be specific about why they ban people. https://twitter.com/NickJFuentes/status/1228390570986483713 Maybe Shapiro misunderstood that or wanted to smear Fuentes.

The same sorts of accusations are made against Michelle Malkin and many others who are anti-immigration Trump supporters.

Apparently Ben Shapiro was a significant force in getting Fuentes deplatformed in the first place:

https://twitter.com/CassandraRules/status/1228484790095155201

![](https://curi.us/img/Z98mL5AtmAU1XL3-611x638.png)

Dunno details. I don't really follow Shapiro or Fuentes. I already knew Shapiro was a bastard though.]]>
Sat, 15 Feb 2020 14:55:52 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15467 http://curi.us/comments/show/15467
curi Deplatforming and Fraud
I have no idea what's going on with the stuff about threats. Have not been following. I didn't read it as having anything to do with Fuentes threatening Shapiro. I assumed threats is YT's baseless excuse and Shapiro is saying if that is indeed baseless then YT is wrong, which is quite mild next to 1) how bad political deplatforming is 2) what he said about Fuentes for, afaik, thought crimes along the lines of being anti-immigration.

I've vaguely heard that Fuentes is anti-semitic. I have no idea if that's true. Even if it is, it doesn't explain Shapiro's treatment of him or the condemnation of his viewpoints in general rather than a particular error.]]>
Sat, 15 Feb 2020 14:47:40 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15466 http://curi.us/comments/show/15466
Anonymous Open Discussion 2 (2019)
> App was very good. I rejected Overcast before due to 2x max speed even though it had some silence removal. It now can do 3x + auto silence removal, so actual speed varies and can go up as high as around 3.5x but it still didn't seem that hard for me to listen to. I liked it a lot.

Interesting. I use iCatcher! It does 3X but I don't think it has auto silence removal. I don't really listen to casts that have lots of silence tho so I dunno how much that would help
me]]>
Sat, 15 Feb 2020 06:30:31 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15465 http://curi.us/comments/show/15465
Studying Metro route #15 GISTE Mario Odyssey Discussion
- Success. Slow in 5.1. Fell in 5.4 but saved myself and only had to repeat from part of 5.2.

- Success. Slow in 5.4. Rest was good. Not sure what I'm doing wrong in 5.4.

- Success. Same as above.

- Success. Same as above.

- Success. Slow in 5.1 and 5.4. Rest was good. I think I figured out what I was doing wrong in 5.4. It was related to failing to do a cap jump as if cappy wasn't there. Now I know how to prevent that.

- Success. Slow in 5.1. Rest was good.

- Success. Slow in 5.2. Rest was good. 5.2 was slow because I didn’t do a good enough jump from the moving platform at the end of 5.1. I did a regular jump instead of a backflip or a regular jump with a running head start.

- Success. All good!

- Fail. Died in 5.1. I veered slightly right at the start when rolling. Correcting that resulted in getting to the moving platform a bit late, and ending up under it and falling into the abyss.]]>
Sat, 15 Feb 2020 05:33:26 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15464 http://curi.us/comments/show/15464
oh my god it's turpentine Deplatforming and Fraud Sat, 15 Feb 2020 03:00:02 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15463 http://curi.us/comments/show/15463 curi Deplatforming and Fraud
https://twitter.com/curi42/status/1228582048694013953]]>
Fri, 14 Feb 2020 23:32:17 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15462 http://curi.us/comments/show/15462
curi Deplatforming and Fraud
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Fri, 14 Feb 2020 23:30:17 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15461 http://curi.us/comments/show/15461
curi Open Discussion 2 (2019)
App was very good. I rejected Overcast before due to 2x max speed even though it had some silence removal. It now can do 3x + auto silence removal, so actual speed varies and can go up as high as around 3.5x but it still didn't seem that hard for me to listen to. I liked it a lot.

The problem with the app is it only does podcasts. Want to listen to an mp3 you have?

Pay $10/yr to be able to upload it to their website:

https://thesweetsetup.com/upload-mp3-files-overcast/

And:

> Overcast has a limit of 2GB per account, and each file can be up to 1 GB in overall size.

So you have to clear stuff out to stay under the limit. A lot. You can't just leave a bunch of books in the app. E.g. Human Action is 600 megs, which is no problem to leave on your phone to listen to whenever, but will fill up a third of the Overcast limit.

Alternatively you could make a podcast for the sole purpose of sharing stuff with yourself.

Or just keep using stuff like VLC or Speedup Player. But the Smart Speed feature in Overcast is nice.]]>
Fri, 14 Feb 2020 22:41:50 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15460 http://curi.us/comments/show/15460
YouTube bans Nick Fuentes, funds Young Turks Alisa Deplatforming and Fraud
> In the same week, Google owned YouTube has announced they are [funding](https://www.axios.com/newsletters/axios-media-trends-7fc9d664-6994-4bc2-a742-23808bbeb2b7.html?chunk=2&utm_term=twsocialshare#story2) the left wing Young Turks and [deplatforming](https://twitter.com/NickJFuentes/status/1228390570986483713?s=20) the right wing @[NickJFuentes](https://twitter.com/nickjfuentes).]]>
Fri, 14 Feb 2020 21:36:38 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15459 http://curi.us/comments/show/15459
YouTube removes video of Rand Paul speaking on the Senate floor Alisa Deplatforming and Fraud
> YouTube removed a video clip of Kentucky Republican Sen. Rand Paul reading the question Chief Justice John Roberts suppressed during the Senate impeachment trial naming Eric Ciaramella, a man identified as the whistleblower by Real Clear Investigations.

> “It is a chilling and disturbing day in America when giant web companies such as YouTube decide to censure speech,” Paul told Politico, which first reported the story. “Now, even protected speech, such as that of a senator on the Senate floor, can be blocked from getting to the American people. This is dangerous and politically biased. Nowhere in my speech did I accuse anyone of being a whistleblower, nor do I know the whistleblower’s identity.”]]>
Fri, 14 Feb 2020 21:30:23 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15458 http://curi.us/comments/show/15458
Anonymous Open Discussion 2 (2019)
> - Each [Amazon] review is worth a lot of money, often times multiples of the product itself, and especially if you're just starting out.

And some other info re amazon reviewing.]]>
Fri, 14 Feb 2020 13:33:51 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15457 http://curi.us/comments/show/15457
curi Brains Are Computers
That leaves out memory. We store lots of non-software information too.

Some software is stored in neuron connection patterns. I don't know all the hardware mechanisms used.]]>
Fri, 14 Feb 2020 11:50:38 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15456 http://curi.us/comments/show/15456
Hi Mr Curi Patrick B Brains Are Computers
Where is the software that runs the human brain stored (obviously I know it is stored in the brain). I guess what I mean to ask is the software that runs our brain separate from the current computational state of our brain?

Would you say that we are defined by the stored software + the current computational state of our brain?

Or are we simply defined by the current computational state of our brain?

I'm still working through The Beginning of Infinity and working on my arguments for animal rights btw. Slow progress is still progress haha]]>
Fri, 14 Feb 2020 07:55:28 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15455 http://curi.us/comments/show/15455
Anonymous Open Discussion 2 (2019) Thu, 13 Feb 2020 22:11:33 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15453 http://curi.us/comments/show/15453 curi Open Discussion 2 (2019)
@visakanv writes:

> very much so! I think most moderately thoughtful and well-read people are 99% aware of all of the information they need, and it's unlikely that the last 1% makes the difference anyway. It's all about implementation

This is horribly wrong. Most such people are unaware of the basic ideas of Objectivism, Critical Rationalism, Szasz, Godwin, TCS, ARR, Goldratt, FI, Mises, etc.

Second, setting that aside, how does one do implementation better? What does one need for implementation other than information about implementation..? Trying to separate errors from information is wrong. If it's not working, you need better ideas, not an unspecified Something Else (like willpower without reason because reasons involve information).]]>
Thu, 13 Feb 2020 21:30:01 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15452 http://curi.us/comments/show/15452
Studying Metro route #14 GISTE Mario Odyssey Discussion
- Fail. Did 5.1 correctly, but then didn’t do 5.2 right and died in the abyss. I did a regular jump instead of my normal backflip. That meant that I didn’t make it to the breakable platform, which meant that I couldn’t do the triple jump.

- Fail. Died in 5.1. Almost got a hold of the edge of the moving platform, but didn’t, and fell in the abyss.

- Fail. Slow in 5.1. Fell in 5.4 cuz didn’t land on cappy.

- Fail. 5.1 was good. Slow in 5.2. Fell in 5.4.

- Fail. Slow in 5.1. Fell in 5.4.

- Success. Slow in 5.1. Rest was good. I threw cappy + dive + cap jump earlier during the long jump than the previous 4 runs.

- Success. Good in all sections!

- Success. Good in all sections again!

- Success. Slow in 5.1. Rest good.

- Fail. Slow in 5.1. Fell in 5.4. I think I threw cappy too late during the long jump.

- Success. Slow in 5.1 and 5.2. Rest good.

- Success. Good in all sections again!

- Success. Slow in 5.1. Good in rest.

- Fail. Died in 5.1. I made it on the platform in time, by hanging on it, and instead of pressing right (which gets Mario to climb onto the platform), I pressed left (which gets Mario to let go of the ledge, causing me to fall into the abyss). I pressed left because if I fail to hang on the ledge, then I need to press left so that my momentum doesn’t throw me into the abyss.]]>
Thu, 13 Feb 2020 16:17:41 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15451 http://curi.us/comments/show/15451
Studying Metro route #13 GISTE Mario Odyssey Discussion
- Success. Messed up tons in 5.1 and 5.2. No trouble in the rest.

- Success. Messed up less in 5.1 and 5.2. No trouble in the rest.

- Fail. Fell in 5.4 and died. Didn’t land on cappy. 5.1 and 5.1 were bad too.

- Fail. Fell in 5.1, and died in the abyss.

- Fail. 5.1 was slow. 5.2 and 5.3 were good. Died in 5.4 due to not landing on cappy.

- Success. 5.1 was slow, but rest was good.

- Fail. 5.1 was slow, 5.3 was bad, which required that I redo 5.2 some. Then I didn’t land on cappy in 5.4.

- Success. 5.1 was slow, but the rest was good.

- Success. 5.1 and 5.4 were slow, rest was good.

- Fail. Died in 5.1 before the first jump. I need to roll only 3 times before jumping. I think I did it 4 times.

- Success. Very slow because I fell in 5.4 and had to redo from 5.1. Also I was slow in 5.1. Rest was good.

- Success. Same as above.

- Success. Slow in 5.1 and 5.2. Good in rest.

- Success. Slow in 5.1 but good in rest. I realized that I should be rotating the camera as much as possible before the long jump. That way there is less camera rotation that I have to deal with during the long jump.

- Success. Same as above.

- Success. Fell in 5.4 so had to repeat from 5.1. Slow in 5.1.]]>
Wed, 12 Feb 2020 00:52:11 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15449 http://curi.us/comments/show/15449
Anonymous Second-handedness Examples
> The crowd would have forgiven anything, except a man who could remain normal under the vibrations of its enormous collective sneer. Some of them had come prepared to pity him; all of them hated him after the first few minutes.]]>
Tue, 11 Feb 2020 13:39:35 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15448 http://curi.us/comments/show/15448
curi The History of Taking Children Seriously
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Tue, 11 Feb 2020 12:53:03 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15447 http://curi.us/comments/show/15447
curi The History of Taking Children Seriously
https://twitter.com/amasad/status/1227036926257090560

![](https://curi.us/img/aL4vgHKj14VWDzF-459x612.png)

Schools prevent learning.

![](https://curi.us/img/H4HX0p3KGj3Lnnh-446x407.png)

If he thought the kid did not want to be in the 10-week course, and was not doing the course material, then he would have intervened and tried to make the kid do stuff he didn't want to do.

The guy in the middle blames children's lack of self-control for adults preventing kids from getting what they want but also for the adults being heavy-handed and blocking many things they approve of in the process.

![](https://curi.us/img/DJEUwJGJCM9l6V1-425x77.png)

Yeah, they are trying to take away a reasonable guess at the most common motivation to learn programming.

![](https://curi.us/img/iXZruoPAlmWqWE0-440x298.png)

It's ambiguous if the kid is referring to a physical beating. No one ambiguously says their teacher might eat them (cannibalism) or rape them. Saying a teacher might murder you for doing something *is* used, though (more commonly with parents), I think because murder is what you get when you exaggerate force while leaving it generic, and teachers (and parents more so) do use a lot of force. Regardless of intent, this comment isn't a random accident.]]>
Tue, 11 Feb 2020 12:48:38 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15446 http://curi.us/comments/show/15446
Anonymous Deplatforming and Fraud Mon, 10 Feb 2020 22:50:00 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15445 http://curi.us/comments/show/15445 Alisa Deplatforming and Fraud I also searched Twitter and found that the quote has been [quoted twice there](https://twitter.com/search?q=%22%2C%20they%20should%20issue%20memos%20about%20which%20books%20they%20are%20banning%20%22&src=typed_query), but with no discussion on either tweet.]]> Mon, 10 Feb 2020 21:55:21 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15444 http://curi.us/comments/show/15444 Anonymous Deplatforming and Fraud
> Mr. Delzer, the proprietor of a secondhand store in Nashville called Defunct Books, has a different view. “If Amazon executives are so proud of their moral high ground, they should issue memos about which books they are banning instead of keeping sellers and readers in the dark,” he said.

rekt!]]>
Mon, 10 Feb 2020 19:00:28 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15443 http://curi.us/comments/show/15443
Anonymous Deplatforming and Fraud
Guys, Amazon is deplatforming *books*.]]>
Mon, 10 Feb 2020 18:55:49 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15442 http://curi.us/comments/show/15442
curi Open Discussion 2 (2019)
Ocarina of Time any% speedrun has gotten really fast with stale reference manipulation enabling arbitrary code execution enabling credits warp.]]>
Mon, 10 Feb 2020 13:45:17 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15441 http://curi.us/comments/show/15441
curi Open Discussion 2 (2019)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znffb6iZmsM

Why? Because it invokes some culturally-meaningful concepts which are relevant and hard to talk about without being rude.

As with many communications, not everyone gets it. But many people do. I didn't mind or object.]]>
Mon, 10 Feb 2020 13:38:42 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15440 http://curi.us/comments/show/15440
Studying Metro route #12 GISTE Mario Odyssey Discussion
- Fail. Died during section 5.1. I didn’t make it on to the platform and fell into the abyss instead.
- Success! No time losses.
- Success! No time losses.
- Success. Small time loss in section 5.1 and 5.2.
- Fail. Died during section 5.4. Didn’t land on cappy.
- Success. Small time loss in section 5.1 and 5.2.
- Fail. Succeeded in 5.1 but died in section 5.2.
- Success. Huge time losses, 3 times in section 5.4. I failed to land on cappy. These were huge time losses because each time I had to redo sections 5.1/5.2/5.3.
- Success. Huge time loss due to falling in section 5.4. Failed to land on cappy. On the second try, I through cappy early, before most of the camera rotation. I think that made it easier to land on cappy.
- Success. Small time loss in 5.1.
- Success. Small time loss in 5.1 and 5.2.
- Success. Small time loss in 5.1.
- Success. Huge time loss in 5.4. Small time loss when doing 5.1 time.
- Success. Small time loss in 5.1

The time loss in 5.1 always means not making it to the moving platform before it goes up on the first cycle. Usually this happens because I touch the wall during my 3rd jump of the triple jump, which starts a wall slide instead of continuing the jump. I’ve learned to turn a hard right on the 3rd jump.

The time loss in 5.2 always means hitting the wall instead of doing a wall jump. This happens because I’m too close to the wall before starting the cap throw + dive + cap jump. I’ve learned to make sure to land and jump from the right edge of the platform, and to throw cappy early during this jump so that I don’t crash into the wall when I do the cap dive.

For section 5.4, I’ve changed how I do it. Now I throw cappy + dive + cap jump earlier during the camera rotation, which makes it easier to aim at cappy (to jump on it).]]>
Mon, 10 Feb 2020 09:03:48 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15439 http://curi.us/comments/show/15439
curi Open Letter to Charles Tew
> The Last of the Charles Tew Acolytes

By Rucka. Commentary on a Charles Tew moderator defending Tew. Tew praised Rucka, then attacked Rucka in ways that contradicted the praise, then denied contradicting himself or doing anything wrong. But after playing it off like nothing happened, he fell off the internet after Rucka made a few videos showing clips of what Tew had said before.]]>
Mon, 10 Feb 2020 03:56:32 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15438 http://curi.us/comments/show/15438
curi Open Discussion 2 (2019)
Hundreds of millions of dollars invested in this league and they are grossly incompetent at basic stuff in their third year. (Yeah it's not their LA studio anymore and they just switched to YouTube but still. YT paid a ton of money to outbid Twitch and broadcast these games btw.)]]>
Sun, 09 Feb 2020 23:58:39 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15437 http://curi.us/comments/show/15437
curi Rationally Resolving Conflicts of Ideas
Wait, you take *any* economic system you happen to have on hand for data, use that as a sample, and then *assume* its representative unless you know a reason it's not? Why? I would, by default, assume our experience with something is *not* representative of all possible experiences. And you haven't provided something like criteria of representativeness which I could criticize some data for failing to satisfy, so there's no guidance for what sort of criticism you'd accept.

> If I could bring up just one more point, I would like you to please elaborate on how Popper’s “critical discussion” is an answer to the problems raised by Salmon.

Please link your sources in the future. The Salmon paper, titled "Rational Prediction", is:

http://www.homepages.ucl.ac.uk/~ucessjb/Salmon.pdf

> This view of corroboration holds serious difficulties. Watkins and Popper agree, I take it, that statements which report observations of past and present events do not, in and of themselves, have any predictive content. Moreover, they maintain, statements about the corroboration of conjectures do not, in and of themselves, have any predictive content. Conjectures, hypotheses, theories, generalisations-call them what you will-do have predictive content. The problem is that there are many such statements, rich in predictive content, which make incompatible predictive claims when conjoined with true statements about past and present occurrences. The fact that a general statement has predictive content does not mean that what it says is true. In order to make a prediction, one must choose a conjecture which has predictive content to serve as a premise in a predictive argument. In order to make a rational prediction, it seems to me, one must make a rational choice of a premise for such an argument. But from our observational evidence and from the statements about the corroboration of a given conjecture, no predictive appraisal follows. Given two conjectures which, in a particular situation, will lead to incompatible predictions, and given the corroboration ratings of these two hypotheses, nothing follows about their comparative predictive capacities. Thus, it seems to me, corroboration-the ground for theoretical preference-furnishes no rational basis for preference of one conjecture to another for purposes of practical prediction. I am not complaining that we are not told for sure that one will make a correct prediction and that the other will not. I am complaining that no rational basis whatever has been furnished for a preference of this type.

OK a few points about this.

1) We can drop "corroboration" entirely from CR without losing the important content of CR (in very short, the evolutionary epistemology and the refutation of induction). I do not care about defending corroboration.

2) CR's solution to this problem is *critical discussion*. It's creative, imaginative critical thinking/discussion, the seeking out of errors, which enables us to make progress. Focusing on math and formal logic blinds some philosophers to what most actual productive discussions are like. In short, we can't have perfect foundations (like criteria for good arguments or errors/criticisms) so instead in discussions we find some points of agreement (many are just assumed as background knowledge, rather than actively found) and use those as foundations (though we may change our mind midway and question them). The issue is not can we prove a particular method of arguing is good, but does anyone suspect it of being an error and object? And the issue is not can we create a complete system from the ground up, but can we agree on enough premises to have a productive conversation right now.

3) Although CR has some good ideas about this stuff which are *not known to be wrong* (in contrast to other epistemologies which make wrong claims, which are indefensible in argument, rather than merely being incomplete), there is certainly room to develop CR further and make it more helpful. The topic area in the Salmon quote is a particularly good place to improve CR further, which I have done in Yes or No Philosophy.]]>
Sun, 09 Feb 2020 23:11:57 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15436 http://curi.us/comments/show/15436
curi Fuck China
And a ban on trade with China is not politically possible, and would confuse people, unless and until there is better philosophical education about what China is like, how to think about it, etc. It'd also be valuable to accompany the ban with getting the support of many other countries, especially the best ones, rather than their opposition. If we can't explain it to the other Anglo countries, it's going to be hard to make it work well.

So we broadly need better moral judgment, better reasoning, better political leadership, etc. A few people knowing better isn't enough to set a free country's policy. We need to persuade more people. Then that initial would be enough to change the situation without a trade ban – maybe just a little, maybe a lot, it's hard to predict.]]>
Sun, 09 Feb 2020 22:17:48 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15435 http://curi.us/comments/show/15435
curi Open Discussion 2 (2019)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEPi1KYanh4]]>
Sun, 09 Feb 2020 21:14:27 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15434 http://curi.us/comments/show/15434
Definition of "common preference" in YESNO terms Alisa Taking Children Seriously Sun, 09 Feb 2020 18:01:04 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15433 http://curi.us/comments/show/15433 Anonymous Open Discussion 2 (2019)

petercooper on Oct 1, 2008 [-]

> That within a year you've become extremely proficient with a non-trivial, math-heavy video compression standard says a lot for your baseline intelligence. Congratulations for sticking at it, although I doubt most of us in the lower 95% could have done the same! :)

DarkShikari on Oct 1, 2008 [-]

> I doubt most people on HN are in the lower 95% ;)

> I'd say its more a matter of dedication and the sheer amount of time I've spent on it, plus the fact that I > was able to skip a whole lot of it by basing my earlier insights off those of others rather than trying the (utterly hopeless) strategy of learning it all myself from the spec.

> I'd also say the "math-heavy" is rather exaggerating it; the entire spec has not an ounce of math in it. All the numerical computations are written in pseudocode, not formulas; its basically written as if a computer was reading it instead of a human. Personally I have found this to be a rather terrible attribute, as it makes some of it nearly completely incomprehensible.

> I also find this approach is often the kind of thing that leads people to assume they cannot do something; they think that only "really smart" people can possibly do some particular thing, and refuse to try as a result. Of course, it can also go the other way--because someone does something hard, they insist that they must be really smart, or else they couldn't have done it. This only reinforces the problem.

> There also seems to be the rather misleading assumption that younger people are somehow less smart on average, and thus if a younger person does something hard, they must be even smarter than they would be assumed to be otherwise. I find this to be completely false; I don't think I've gotten one ounce better at math than I was in middle school, for example. People get more experienced, wiser and more knowledgeable, but I don't think they get much smarter.

> Though, ironically, I don't actually think I am that smart; if grades are any indication, my last semester is clear proof that I'm not ;)

i like he corrected someone that it wasnt just his baseline intelligence that allowed him to do this, and that it was his dedication and effort.]]>
Sun, 09 Feb 2020 16:21:53 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15432 http://curi.us/comments/show/15432
Studying Metro route #11 GISTE Mario Odyssey Discussion
Section 5.1: I’m getting slightly better. I’m avoiding many of the mistakes that cause me to not get to the moving platform in time before it goes up. One example mistake is touching the wall during the triple jump, which stops the triple jump.

Section 5.2: I found a better method that avoids the enemies. Before this method I was often running into them.

New method: jump from the platform, cap throw + dive + cap jump, triple jump (where the cap jump gets counted as the first jump of the triple jump[1]), cap throw + dive, wall jump, cap throw + dive on to the stationary platform.

Section 5.4: I messed this up a lot. So I got lucky early on. I think I figured it out though. I need to wait until almost fully rotated before doing the cap throw + dive + cap jump. Without almost fully rotating first, it’s too easy to miss cappy when I try to jump on it.

New method: jump, cap throw + dive + cap jump onto the platform. Long jump, wait a while until roughly level with the next platform (while rotating D-stick to account for the camera angle rotating, and wait until almost fully rotated), then cap throw + dive + cap jump, then cap throw + dive onto the platform.

[1] I did not know that a cap jump gets counted as the first jump of a triple jump.]]>
Sun, 09 Feb 2020 06:42:25 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15431 http://curi.us/comments/show/15431
curi Open Discussion 2 (2019)
https://web.archive.org/web/20100603015319/http://x264dev.multimedia.cx/?p=377

> Before I go into specific components, a general note on code quality. The code quality is much better than VP3, though there’s still tons of typos in the comments. They also appear to be using comments as a form of version control system, which is a bit bizarre. The assembly code is much worse, with staggering levels of copy-paste coding, some completely useless instructions that do nothing at all, unaligned loads/stores to what-should-be aligned data structures, and a few functions that are simply written in unfathomably roundabout (and slower) ways. While the C code isn’t half bad, *the assembly is clearly written by retarded monkeys*. But I’m being unfair: this is way better than with VP3.

Emphasis added.

I've recently been attacked for having said diaf. I've also said wtf, jfc, retarded, and more. Should Glaser be attacked too? Should his comments on VP8 be dismissed? Is it a random coincidence that many productive people, like Popper, Rand and Steve Jobs too, have been attacked in a similar manner?

Some people use expressions like this because they are trying to speak accurately (bluntly) about reality instead of sugar coating things and obscuring and downplaying their opinions. This is a good trait.

There are, of course, also people who use expressions like these thoughtlessly, dishonestly, maliciously, and so on. But one can do that with any words. The issue isn't the words, it's the quality of the judgment offered.

Why not simply avoid everything that would offend anyone? Because that lowest common denominator vernacular is widely considered boring and disliked, and because people are more offended by content rather than words anyway, and why should the mob control the self-expression of intelligent men in a hypocritical way (the complainers generally say plenty of rude things and have no idea how to live up to the ivory tower standard of perfection they demand but can't clearly specify).

They want to take all the color and flavor out of speech, but mostly selectively apply these style complaints to a few people whose content they have an issue with. I already write in a particularly bland and simple way to be clear. I will readily rgrant that terms like diaf, retarded monkey and many others do not maximize clarity, but I don't think one is required to maximize clarity at all times and have no other goals in life, and I think the complainers spend far less of their time and effort attempting clarity and are much worse at achieving it.]]>
Sat, 08 Feb 2020 23:54:14 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15430 http://curi.us/comments/show/15430
Alisa Open Discussion 2 (2019) Sat, 08 Feb 2020 17:25:29 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15429 http://curi.us/comments/show/15429 a story about learning Alisa Open Discussion 2 (2019) > From: Elliot Temple
> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 08:22:28 -0700
> Subject: a story about learning

> little relevant knowledge + interest + dedication + a year = world class knowledge of x264 video encoding + lucrative job offers

> he got started cause he was recording clips of an online fantasy game he played.

> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=320102

Good story. ☝️

In 2010, the author, Jason Glasser, a.k.a. Dark Shikari, wrote a [blog post analyzing the VP8 codec](https://web.archive.org/web/20100603015319/http://x264dev.multimedia.cx/?p=377). That post was [cited by Steve Jobs](https://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/20/jobs_on_vp8/) in a single-line response to a reporter's question about Google's announcement that [the codec would be open-sourced](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/blog/2010/may/19/google-apple).

Jason Glaser [changed his name to Fiona Glasser around 2014](https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=170762).]]>
Sat, 08 Feb 2020 17:22:24 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15428 http://curi.us/comments/show/15428
Studying Metro route #10 GISTE Mario Odyssey Discussion
I following the route pretty closely. When I messed up, I tried to recover. I found various ways of recovering from different parts of the route.

I got to the exit 14 times, not in a row. I died plenty of times. And I messed up a lot. But I’m definitely better than last session.]]>
Sat, 08 Feb 2020 00:50:53 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15427 http://curi.us/comments/show/15427
curi David Deutsch Smears Ayn Rand Sat, 08 Feb 2020 00:11:09 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15426 http://curi.us/comments/show/15426 curi David Deutsch Interview Undermines His Philosophy Sat, 08 Feb 2020 00:10:58 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15425 http://curi.us/comments/show/15425 kieren Rationally Resolving Conflicts of Ideas
So if I understand your example correctly it implies something like “In any economic system, the establishment of minimum wage laws (in isolation to any other changes) does more harm than good”. So the samples would be those economic systems that have had minimum wage laws introduced. What we expect this sample to be representative of is the outcome of the new laws (did things get better or worse?). We assume these past samples will be representative of future samples unless we have some other existing knowledge that tells us otherwise.

> No, I plan to do one or two things at a time and keep them short. Say up to one thing and respond to up to one thing. You can bring things up again one at a time to get responses.

If I could bring up just one more point, I would like you to please elaborate on how Popper’s “critical discussion” is an answer to the problems raised by Salmon.]]>
Fri, 07 Feb 2020 22:55:42 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15424 http://curi.us/comments/show/15424
Lepus Fuck China Trade with China only allows China to win. China requires the massive collaboration from foreign businessmen who do business in China. In collaboration between the rational and irrational, it is the more irrational one who wins because Businessmen have nothing to gain from the irrationality of China, but China has everything to gain from them.
This is seen with the legitimization of China as the second biggest economy in the world.
This is seen when China is actively stealing the intellectual property of businesses in China.
This is seen with corruption from China in countries such as Australia because of dependence on the Chinese market and giving China political power appearing as a savvy legitimate investor to many countries.
This is seen in the loans they are now able to give to countries and when these loans default, they are able to exert control over these countries annexing many ports across the world.
This is seen in the amount of influence China has gained in collaborative international works such as the UN to the point where the W.H.O is praising China for its work in response to the corona virus despite the massive glaringly obvious cover up by China.
China commits evil and we are complicit trading with them trying benefit from that evil. It is the same as committing every evil act they do ourselves. In the same way trading with slavers is the same as having slaves. Just because there is a degree of separation doesn't make the of it evil disappear.

It was disgusting that Richard Nixon in 1972 visited China, when he met with Mao Zedong and opened relations between the US and China. As it was bad when FDR recognized the Soviet Russia and legitimized them prior World War 2. There never should have been trade with China in the first place.

Trade is mutual collaboration and collaboration with evil is evil and lets evil win.]]>
Fri, 07 Feb 2020 19:06:46 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15423 http://curi.us/comments/show/15423
Anonymous Open Discussion 2 (2019)
> Overnight in Asia, we hosted a call with professor John Nicholls a clinical professor in pathology at the University of Hong Kong and expert on coronaviruses. He was a key member of the research team at the University of Hong Kong which isolated and characterized the novel SARS coronavirus in 2003. He’s been studying coronaviruses for 25 years (full bio here). The recording of the call can be found on our website HERE. Below are my notes transcribing the call. The first 30m are worth listening to.

> Quick summary: look at the fatality rate outside of Wuhan - it’s below 1%. The correct comparison is not SARS or MERS but a bad cold which kills people who already have other health issues. This virus will burn itself out in May when temperatures rise. Wash your hands.

Washing hands sounds like good advice.

> [Q:] What is the actual scale of the outbreak? How much larger is it compared to the official “confirmed” cases?

> [A:] People are saying a 2.2 to 2.4% fatality rate total. However recent information is very worthy - if you look at the cases outside of China the mortality rate is <1%. [Only 2 fatalities outside of mainland China]. 2 potential reasons 1) either china’s healthcare isn’t as good – that’s probably not the case 2) What is probably right is that just as with SARS there’s probably much stricter guidelines in mainland China for a case to be considered positive. So the 20,000 cases in China is probably only the severe cases; the folks that actually went to the hospital and got tested. The Chinese healthcare system is very overwhelmed with all the tests going through. So my thinking is this is actually not as severe a disease as is being suggested. The fatality rate is probably only 0.8%-1%. There’s a vast underreporting of cases in China. Compared to Sars and Mers we are talking about a coronavirus that has a mortality rate of 8 to 10 times less deadly to Sars to Mers. So a correct comparison is not Sars or Mers but a severe cold. Basically this is a severe form of the cold.

I had heard about underreporting of deaths, but hadn't thought about the likelihood of underreporting the number of people with the virus.]]>
Fri, 07 Feb 2020 15:55:16 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15421 http://curi.us/comments/show/15421
Studying Metro route #9 GISTE Mario Odyssey Discussion
Last time I didn’t die in the last two runs, but I did mess up a lot, causing lots of small time losses.

I rewatched the relevant part of the guide.

I’m going to break this section up more.

# Section 5.1: from entering building to getting on the first moving platform

Last session I was not able to get on this platform in time before it went up. This time I was able to get it done, though I used a different method (see below). My method is easier because it does not require rolling in a straight line. With smallant’s method, if I don’t roll in a straight line, then I fall into the abyss.

My method: roll, long jump, then triple jump onto the moving platform.

# Section 5.2: from the first moving platform to the stationary platform

Method: jump, dive, triple jump, cap throw + dive, wall jump, cap throw + dive.

# Section 5.3: from the stationary platform, to the moon.

Method: backflip, wall jump, cap throw + dive onto the pole. move between wall and pole, and mash jump button (careful when moving from 1st pole to 2nd pole). From the 3rd pole jump while on the 2nd pole, move to the right and jump onto adjacent pole. Move away from the wall, jump, cap throw + dive, wall jump, cap throw + dive onto the above platform. The cap throw should open the chest. Get the moon.

# Section 5.4: from the moon to exiting the building.

Method: jump, cap throw + dive + cap jump onto the platform. Long jump, wait a while until roughly level with the next platform (while rotating D-stick to account for the camera angle rotating), then cap throw + dive onto the platform.


Sections 5.3 and 5.4 were pretty easy for me to do in the last session. Like I got 5.4 right on first try. 5.1 and 5.2 were much more difficult. 5.1 and 5.2 are much easier for me now though.

I’m going to practice all of these together on next session.]]>
Fri, 07 Feb 2020 10:00:17 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15420 http://curi.us/comments/show/15420
Dan Luu: 95%-ile isn't that good Alisa Open Discussion 2 (2019)
> Reaching 95%-ile isn't very impressive because it's not that hard to do... when stated nakedly, that sounds elitist. But I think it's just the opposite: most people can become (relatively) good at most things.

> Personally, in every activity I've participated in where it's possible to get a rough percentile ranking, people who are 95%-ile constantly make mistakes that seem like they should be easy to observe and correct. "Real world" activities typically can't be reduced to a percentile rating, but achieving what appears to be a similar level of proficiency seems similarly easy.

> We'll start by looking at Overwatch (a video game) in detail because it's an activity I'm familiar with where it's easy to get ranking information and observe what's happening, and then we'll look at some "real world" examples where we can observe the same phenomena, although we won't be able to get ranking information for real world examples.

This is an interesting read. It ties in with some stuff Elliot [wrote on FI list in 2015]( https://groups.google.com/g/fallible-ideas/c/2Ypha-S_CQc/m/es0eSBYsbRsJ) :

> ... it’s not that hard to be like top 10% successful. if your parents destroy your mind only 80% as much as the typical amount, that should do it.

> if you look at the people playing any popular online computer game, there are tons of really really terrible and stupid players. and being in the top 10% of players is easy for most games.

> you have to suck at life quite badly to be in the bottom 90%. i do a hell of a lot better than top 10% at stuff, you aren’t competing with me to get there.

> you maybe shouldn’t base your life plan on being top 0.01% at stuff, but it’s completely reasonable to expect to be top 10% and plan accordingly.]]>
Fri, 07 Feb 2020 08:22:20 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15419 http://curi.us/comments/show/15419
curi Open Discussion 2 (2019)
Samba did not work on the first few tries. Here is a picture with some info about my troubleshooting process:

![](https://curi.us/img/URiY7QyjGLQHMEv-1579x47.png)

I think a lot of people fail at stuff by trying way too little. I have years of professional experience at similar tasks. That doesn't mean I can automatically do it right or get it to work right away. People without that kind of background should expect *way more* web searches, more reading, more tinkering, etc.]]>
Thu, 06 Feb 2020 22:35:24 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15418 http://curi.us/comments/show/15418
curi The History of Taking Children Seriously Thu, 06 Feb 2020 22:09:23 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15417 http://curi.us/comments/show/15417 Alisa The History of Taking Children Seriously
> I get some friends and we do some acting and I share a rough cut for feedback. In the video, I wear red clothes in every scene. Someone asks: *Why do you wear red?*

Good example. Both of my examples (about wearing red and eating quickly) were biased toward my position in the sense that they involved something being done once, rather than multiple times. Examples in which something is done multiple times are more representative of the scenario we are discussing, because in this essay, you referred to yourself in the third person everywhere except in the Editor's note.

I concede that it is natural to use "do" to ask about something that was done repeatedly in a particular context. And I concede that for the question we've been discussing, it would make sense that your essay was the intended context, even if the question didn't explicitly specify that.

I don't yet know the root cause of these mistakes, nor what I could do to prevent them in the future. I did notice two instances in this conversation where you thought of plausible explanations for the author's intent that I missed. It would have helped if I had come up with similar good, unbiased examples on my own before drawing conclusions about what the author meant, but that's not the kind of thing I can add to a checklist.

I suppose I could try to learn more about bias. That actually sounds like the most promising idea so far.]]>
Thu, 06 Feb 2020 21:57:32 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15416 http://curi.us/comments/show/15416
curi The History of Taking Children Seriously
This causes problems sometimes btw. E.g. sometimes there are 50 comments and then someone says something and it's hard to tell if they are trying to respond to the article or to some comment. Like are they continuing one of the multiple discussions already in comments (typically the most recent one) or are they starting a new discussion about the article?]]>
Thu, 06 Feb 2020 21:38:12 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15415 http://curi.us/comments/show/15415
Alisa The History of Taking Children Seriously
Correction: that "do" should be "did".]]>
Thu, 06 Feb 2020 21:31:42 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15414 http://curi.us/comments/show/15414
Alisa The History of Taking Children Seriously
In that scenario, the original question, without any words left out, would have been:

*Why do you talk about yourself in the third person in this essay?*

That version of the question seems reasonable to me. Especially in formal writing, it's natural to use "do" to ask questions about the author's position, e.g.:

*Why do you say that Popper was a falsificationist?*

However, someone writing formally wouldn't leave out "in this essay".

In *informal* writing or speaking, I don't think it's usual to use "do" to ask about what someone did in a specific incident. For example, both of the following sound unusual to me:

- *Why do you wear red today?*

- *Why do you eat that burger so quickly?*

When referring to a specific incident, I think it'd be more usual to ask the question with "do" or with the present progressive, e.g.:

- *Why did you wear red today?* or *Why are you wearing red today?*

- *Why did you eat that burger so quickly?* or *Why are you eating that burger so quickly?*

If someone started to phrase a question in one of those ways and then left out the specific incident, the result would be:

- *Why did you wear red?* or *Why are you wearing red?*

- *Why did you eat so quickly?* or *Why are you eating so quickly?*

Those sound natural enough. If the questioner had started out by phrasing the question in one of those ways and then left off the "in this essay", the result would be:

- *Why did you talk about yourself in the third person?* or *Why are you talking about yourself in the third person?*

To me, both of those seem more honest than the question that was actually asked.]]>
Thu, 06 Feb 2020 21:30:50 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15413 http://curi.us/comments/show/15413
curi The History of Taking Children Seriously Thu, 06 Feb 2020 21:08:43 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15412 http://curi.us/comments/show/15412 Alisa The History of Taking Children Seriously
I think that most people have an intuitive sense of what things make a person look bad socially. I think that that intuitive sense commonly includes knowing things like:

- *speaking* about yourself in the third person is socially worse than *writing* about yourself in the third person
- referring to yourself in the third person is bad, and it's especially bad if you do it routinely, rather than only on specific occasions

If that's true, then it seems to me that the author could have:

1. Seized on the referring-to-self-in-third-person aspect of the essay as having the potential to make you look bad socially

2. Consciously or unconsciously brainstormed several ways to bring it up

3. Picked the way that his intuitive sense told him would make you look worse socially.

What do you think?]]>
Thu, 06 Feb 2020 20:58:57 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15411 http://curi.us/comments/show/15411
curi The History of Taking Children Seriously Thu, 06 Feb 2020 20:46:58 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15410 http://curi.us/comments/show/15410 Alisa The History of Taking Children Seriously
> this writing error

Note that I pointed out *two* issues with the writing (whether they were "errors" isn't entirely clear to me), and they both tended to make you look bad socially, by slipping in nasty and false presuppositions.

> Good points but they don't imply that he didn't read my previous 10 posts.

Ok, I agree. I guess what the question actually indicates is that the author was trying to make you look bad, rather than trying to find out why you chose to refer to yourself in the third person in this particular essay.]]>
Thu, 06 Feb 2020 20:41:04 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15409 http://curi.us/comments/show/15409
Alisa Product Release: Yes or No Philosophy
Suppose that any "wiggle room" in the solution (i.e., any variation in action that falls within the parameters of the chosen solution) is not refuted by anything you knew at the time you made the decision. Then that "wiggle room" is *irrelevant* in the sense I had in mind. It doesn't affect whether you made the right choice or not.

I also didn't say that bias, etc. wouldn't sneak in. Just that there won't be any bias which was (a) known to you and (b) which would refute the solution you chose.]]>
Thu, 06 Feb 2020 20:28:59 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15408 http://curi.us/comments/show/15408
curi Mario Odyssey Discussion
> The first time this has ever been done in Mario Odyssey... (9 Captures)

Smallant1's first Mario Odyssey 9 captures run.]]>
Thu, 06 Feb 2020 18:02:37 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15407 http://curi.us/comments/show/15407
curi Fuck China
I don't think China's economy will collapse soon – even if we cut off US trade entirely, which our leaders aren't going to – and I don't think trading with China is a major factor in their continued evil. I think incorrect and unspecified moral judgments are a bigger problem and the solution, as usual, is more about philosophical education. The best path to better outcomes is from people learning Objectivism, FI, etc.]]>
Thu, 06 Feb 2020 15:40:12 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15405 http://curi.us/comments/show/15405
Anonymous Fuck China Thu, 06 Feb 2020 15:35:33 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15404 http://curi.us/comments/show/15404 Anonymous Fuck China Thu, 06 Feb 2020 15:35:14 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15403 http://curi.us/comments/show/15403 Anonymous Fuck China Thu, 06 Feb 2020 15:32:27 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15402 http://curi.us/comments/show/15402 curi Fuck China
I do think we should take a harsher stance on China. They should not be sanctioned. With appropriate moral judgments coming from the West I think we'd ~immediately have a better situation. I think we could successfully pressure China to make some changes using smaller issues than the threat to cut off all trade.

China does have value to offer. They have lots of skilled labor in addition to a lot of cheaper labor that can take place with fewer regulations.

China is a hard problem to deal with and I think the initial steps to take (if we had better leaders and less internal conflict in our own society, so we were actually going to deal with this well) would be things other than talking about ending all trade.]]>
Thu, 06 Feb 2020 15:27:59 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15401 http://curi.us/comments/show/15401
Anonymous Fuck China Thu, 06 Feb 2020 15:00:46 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15400 http://curi.us/comments/show/15400 curi Product Release: Yes or No Philosophy Thu, 06 Feb 2020 14:55:19 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15399 http://curi.us/comments/show/15399 curi Rationally Resolving Conflicts of Ideas
Let's say my example theory is "Minimum wage laws are bad." I take it you think the correctness of this claim should be settled by testing with data samples (I don't). Where does this theory specify what counts as a representative sample? Or do you think this theory is no good and want to propose a similar theory that includes a specification?

> Do you plan to respond to the rest of my response?

No, I plan to do one or two things at a time and keep them short. Say up to one thing and respond to up to one thing. You can bring things up again one at a time to get responses.]]>
Thu, 06 Feb 2020 13:56:11 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15398 http://curi.us/comments/show/15398
curi The History of Taking Children Seriously Thu, 06 Feb 2020 12:36:43 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15397 http://curi.us/comments/show/15397 Typo N Identification Policy Thu, 06 Feb 2020 07:12:34 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15396 http://curi.us/comments/show/15396 Alisa The History of Taking Children Seriously
> denotes a stative or habitual or eternally true action.

Thus, as written, the question implies that your use of the third person to refer to yourself is *typical*, rather than a choice you made for this specific essay.

If the author intended to inquire only about this particular essay, they could have phrased the question differently, e.g.:

- Why are you talking about yourself in the third person?

- Why did you talk about yourself in the third person?

- Why are you talking about yourself in the third person?

I brought up the previous 10 posts because you referred to yourself in the first person in each of them, contrary to the question's implication.

Also, the question used the verb "talk" where "write" would have been more accurate. This lack of accuracy is relevant because the scope of the question wasn't limited to this particular essay, and the situations that call for referring to oneself in the third person in writing don't usually occur when speaking.]]>
Wed, 05 Feb 2020 20:22:29 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15395 http://curi.us/comments/show/15395
curi The History of Taking Children Seriously
I used third person because it's broadly impersonal and fact-oriented, not a personal account.]]>
Wed, 05 Feb 2020 19:50:23 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15394 http://curi.us/comments/show/15394
Alisa The History of Taking Children Seriously Wed, 05 Feb 2020 18:32:33 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15393 http://curi.us/comments/show/15393 Anonymous The History of Taking Children Seriously Wed, 05 Feb 2020 17:11:54 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15392 http://curi.us/comments/show/15392 Anonymous Open Discussion 2 (2019)
> In 2010, Sega delisted Sonic the Hedgehog from retailers, following its decision to remove all Sonic games with below-average Metacritic scores to increase the value of the brand.]]>
Wed, 05 Feb 2020 15:28:48 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15391 http://curi.us/comments/show/15391
Anonymous Open Discussion 2 (2019) Wed, 05 Feb 2020 14:29:32 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15390 http://curi.us/comments/show/15390 Anonymous Secondary David Deutsch Related Discussion Community
> “Probably. But not quite. I’m not afraid any more. But I know that the terror exists. I know the kind of terror it is. You can’t conceive of that kind. Listen, what’s the most horrible experience you can imagine? To me—it’s being left, unarmed, in a sealed cell with a drooling beast of prey or a maniac who’s had some disease that’s eaten his brain out. You’d have nothing then but your voice—your voice and your thought. You’d scream to that creature why it should not touch you, you’d have the most eloquent words, the unanswerable words, you’d become the vessel of the absolute truth. And you’d see living eyes watching you and you’d know that the thing can’t hear you, that it can’t be reached, not reached, not in any way, yet it’s breathing and moving there before you with a purpose of its own. That’s horror. Well, that’s what’s hanging over the world, prowling somewhere through mankind, that same thing, something closed, mindless, utterly wanton, but something with an aim and a cunning of its own. I don’t think I’m a coward, but I’m afraid of it. And that’s all I know—only that it exists. I don’t know its purpose, I don’t know its nature.”]]>
Wed, 05 Feb 2020 13:22:18 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15389 http://curi.us/comments/show/15389
Verbal messages cause misunderstanding and delays (please put them in writing) Josh Jordan Open Discussion 2 (2019)
> Printed at the bottom of each sheet of [all Warner Bros.] interoffice correspondence was the reminder "Verbal messages cause misunderstanding and delays (please put them in writing)."

A wise policy (legally-sensitive communications excepted).]]>
Wed, 05 Feb 2020 08:24:10 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15388 http://curi.us/comments/show/15388
Studying Metro route #8 GISTE Mario Odyssey Discussion
I think end of section 5 should be upon exiting the city hall building (8:45). I think I’ll need to separate this section into a few chunks too.

Section 5:
- Messed up a bunch (small time losses), including deaths (big time losses) before I was able to make it to the exit. I rewatched the relevant sections of the video to see what I’m doing wrong along the way.
- Made it to the exit. Messed up a lot less. Only died once.
- Made it to the exit without dying at all and a lot less messing up.
- Made it to the exit without dying at all, and even less messing up than last time.
- Made it to the exit without dying, but I messed up more than last time.

I’m going to continue section 5 next time.]]>
Wed, 05 Feb 2020 05:03:19 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15387 http://curi.us/comments/show/15387
Anonymous Open Discussion 2 (2019)
> Male-Bodied Rapists Are Being Imprisoned With Women. Why Do so Few People Care

> The idea that many male offenders would opt to serve their sentences in women’s correctional facilities is not something that should shock a thinking person. But it appears that common sense is forgotten once the words “gender identity” are invoked. Male offenders, including violent offenders and sex offenders, currently are incarcerated in women’s prisons in various western jurisdictions. This policy has been adopted in numerous countries under the guise of tolerance. Recently, Ireland had its first transfer, when a fully intact male sex offender was placed in a women’s prison in Limerick. The California Senate also recently voted in favour of such accommodations. This policy often is referred to as “self ID.” It means that your status as a male or female is determined by your belief (or claim) about your sex and not by your actual biology.]]>
Tue, 04 Feb 2020 18:59:47 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15386 http://curi.us/comments/show/15386
YESNO & decision theory Alisa Product Release: Yes or No Philosophy
> ... execs and their allies gain more by using other more flexible decision making frameworks for key decisions, frameworks with more wiggle room to help them justify whatever decision happens to favor them politically. Decision theory, in contrast, threatens to more strongly recommend a particular hard-to-predict decision in each case.

It's the same with YESNO vs justificationism. YESNO decision processes produce unpredictable [1] outcomes with *no* relevant wiggle room [2]. In contrast, justificationism gives decision-makers plenty of wiggle room, which they use to make predictable decisions that are compatible with their existing preferences.

[1] YESNO is consistent with the only known way to create knowledge (evolution), so predicting the outcome of a YESNO decision process would entail predicting the creation of knowledge, which, as BoI argues, is impossible.

[2] Any relevant "wiggle room" known to the decision-maker would be reflected in the YESNO decision chart (or its equivalent) as additional options. Thus accounted for, those options would no longer constitute "wiggle room" in the relevant sense.]]>
Tue, 04 Feb 2020 18:14:54 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15385 http://curi.us/comments/show/15385
Anonymous Open Discussion 2 (2019)
> BREAKING: Twitter LOCKS DOWN James O’Keefe’s Account]]>
Tue, 04 Feb 2020 17:58:34 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15384 http://curi.us/comments/show/15384
curi Andy B Harassment and Four Strands
![](https://curi.us/img/6b0sLTiOJA86FV0-944x851.png)

Andy was a toxic rager Dec 4, 2015.

not coincidentally, andy made a reddit sock puppet on dec 9, 2015, which i found earlier. after seeing it writing comments defending andy, i checked its history and there was clear evidence it was him.

I think he started sock puppeting cuz he kept raging and getting in trouble on reddit, so what he started doing is generally say his most toxic stuff from sock puppets and hide the toxic more as andy.]]>
Tue, 04 Feb 2020 17:29:56 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15383 http://curi.us/comments/show/15383
Anonymous Open Discussion 2 (2019)
> I say that their motives are more political: execs and their allies gain more by using other more flexible decision making frameworks for key decisions, frameworks with more wiggle room to help them justify whatever decision happens to favor them politically. Decision theory, in contrast, threatens to more strongly recommend a particular hard-to-predict decision in each case. As execs gain when the orgs under them are more efficient, they don’t mind decision theory being used down there. But they don’t want it up at their level and above, for decisions that say if they and their allies win or lose.]]>
Tue, 04 Feb 2020 16:13:57 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15382 http://curi.us/comments/show/15382
Anonymous Open Discussion 2 (2019)
![](https://curi.us/img/bv3Flm04i5U6sLG-765x774.png)]]>
Tue, 04 Feb 2020 16:10:33 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15381 http://curi.us/comments/show/15381
curi Andy B Harassment and Four Strands Tue, 04 Feb 2020 14:50:34 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15380 http://curi.us/comments/show/15380 curi Andy B Harassment and Four Strands
They also routinely do things like defend Andy, post the same material Andy is interested in and pretend to be a crowd who agrees with Andy or likes the material Andy likes, talk in the same threads as Andy, and help him evade the moderators who have been trying to ban and block him at a variety of IDW related subreddits.

They also have done something else which provides a clear link between them and Andy which I'm not going to reveal right now.]]>
Tue, 04 Feb 2020 14:44:52 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15379 http://curi.us/comments/show/15379
curi Andy B Harassment and Four Strands
andy main account: 24000

andy/felix known sock puppets: 300 + 1050 + 1500 + 50 + 450 + 350 + a few accounts with near zero = 3700

by comparison the current idw mods have karma around 36k, 30k, 29k (the amount of karma you get depends on the size of the subreddit. bigger = more voters = more karma. so looking at active users from the sub he's used the most is a good way to compare.)

so 27.7k karma btwn his main and sock puppets is a totally reasonable amount for one person to do.]]>
Tue, 04 Feb 2020 14:31:39 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15378 http://curi.us/comments/show/15378
curi Andy B Harassment and Four Strands
![](https://curi.us/img/29jDZ76q4r29fvr-1970x1287.png)

There's something about the Four Strands atmosphere which has spread so much hatred that some otherwise-normal people (I *think* Hop and at least some Four Strands leaders qualify for that, but jeez) become extraordinarily unreasonable.

Hop seems to have no idea what standard of proof would satisfy her short of a successful court case (but why would that convince her? Maybe I could win in court using my fabricated database and server logs). She doesn't want to be convinced and she isn't trying to compare my case to Andy's case (he doesn't even have one) to see which is better. Note that the Four Strands leaders have not cared about evidence, said any problems with my evidence, or asked for anything to help convince them, so there's no way to satisfy them. And they should stop promoting hatred in any case (hop can go check that the quotes i gave for Four Strands hatred are real, unless/until the four strands people start deleting evidence too).]]>
Tue, 04 Feb 2020 13:48:21 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15377 http://curi.us/comments/show/15377
curi Andy B Harassment and Four Strands
The Twitter account he's deleted is even older: made April 2010 (so 10 years old). The Twitter account has also posted things about his location, age, and probably much more.]]>
Tue, 04 Feb 2020 13:41:34 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15376 http://curi.us/comments/show/15376
curi Andy B Harassment and Four Strands
![](https://curi.us/img/pbQiQ5TwVW3BEsU-635x419.png)]]>
Tue, 04 Feb 2020 13:04:03 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15375 http://curi.us/comments/show/15375
curi Andy B Harassment and Four Strands
https://www.reddit.com/r/JordanPeterson/comments/8gwqjj/rip_this_sub/

![](https://curi.us/img/6pgeSyBhkkuYvSG-927x281.png)]]>
Tue, 04 Feb 2020 12:52:05 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15374 http://curi.us/comments/show/15374
The Story So Far curi Andy B Harassment and Four Strands
After my blog post, Andy deleted his reddit account, set his twitter protected, and blocked lots of people on twitter. TheRat deleted his reddit and Twitter. Felix set his twitter protected and blocked lots of people, then deleted it.

On Jan 11, around or a few days after when the doxes, spam and threat happened, Andy rejoined the FI discord server and deleted a bunch of his Sept 2018 chat messages. Looks like he deleted the last week of what he said to try to hide the circumstances under which he left, which included rage and flaming. I have a full backup of those logs from before the recent tampering.

Andy has been posting hateful things about me, under the Andy name, in the last few months, at the Four Strands group.

Andy and Felix, if there are two people, have shared an IP address and probably computer equipment. They are connected IRL in addition to sharing info and coordinating online (they show up in the same threads all the time, have the same uncommon interests and knowledge, know and talk about the same stuff, write very similarly, etc.).

I have several other major pieces of evidence that I haven't posted.]]>
Tue, 04 Feb 2020 12:36:42 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15373 http://curi.us/comments/show/15373
curi Andy B Harassment and Four Strands Tue, 04 Feb 2020 12:34:27 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15372 http://curi.us/comments/show/15372 Some cached info curi Andy B Harassment and Four Strands
![](https://curi.us/img/vut1LQLmWC1WZYI-716x387.png)

![](https://curi.us/img/l2ngVSfxdm3iKQb-1586x1018.png)

![](https://curi.us/img/SZ3SHjhrgIsAljz-1590x1020.png)]]>
Tue, 04 Feb 2020 12:23:49 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15371 http://curi.us/comments/show/15371
curi Andy B Harassment and Four Strands Tue, 04 Feb 2020 12:18:06 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15370 http://curi.us/comments/show/15370 curi Andy B Harassment and Four Strands
![](https://curi.us/img/yVVhekH1VWJDzJC-538x254.png)

It was created in Aug 2019 and didn't have much on it anyway.]]>
Tue, 04 Feb 2020 12:05:27 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15369 http://curi.us/comments/show/15369
Anonymous Fuck China Tue, 04 Feb 2020 10:33:45 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15368 http://curi.us/comments/show/15368 Studying Metro route #7 GISTE Mario Odyssey Discussion - I think a good endpoint for section 4 is entering the city hall building. (at 7:02)

It’s hard to tell what’s happening at around 6:25 because Mario is hidden behind a girder. Smallant says “cap jump and wall jump back onto the roof top”.

It looks like Mario first does a jump, then does what smallant says above.

After getting on the rooftop, then long jump and cap throw and dive to a distant roof top.

Guide’s Explanations (same as in section 3 for long jumping and cap throw and dive to clear a big horizontal distance):
- During the long jump, wait a bit to get more distance before throwing cappy.
- Wait a moment after the cap throws to get the max height and distance from the cap jump.

I wanted to get a visual idea of how far I should be long jumping before throwing cappy. Smallant doesn’t explain this. I watched the video a few times and it seems to me that smallant throws cappy at the moment that he is at the same vertical height as the rooftop that he’s trying to get on. [1]

Now I'll try it out.

Section 4: from the girder moon to entering the city hall building.
- Success
- Success
- Success
- Success

That was much much much easier than I thought it was going to be.

Additional note: I had to do sections 2 and 3 each time I tried section 4. I did section 3 well each time. Section 2 (specifically 2.2) I had some trouble with. But at least with section 2.2, when I do it wrong, I’m much better able to recognize specifically what I’m doing wrong because of my prior work on it.

[1] I didn’t think about this previously (in section 3 where I could have thought about the same kinda thing). Going forward, I’m going to do analysis like this where I try to figure out how to do the moves. Basically I’m looking for things that (1) smallant doesn’t explain and (2) isn’t totally clear to me. And I’m going to do this stuff while watching the guide, before actually trying any of it in the game.]]>
Tue, 04 Feb 2020 06:53:15 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15367 http://curi.us/comments/show/15367
Anonymous Mario Odyssey Discussion
i like how in that video he mentions that the run will be beaten, and mentions how people are wondering if its like unbeatable. it seems to be a common in speedrunning where people think a record is unbeatable when it totally is, maybe its just mostly the viewers of speedruns rather than the runners.]]>
Tue, 04 Feb 2020 04:33:58 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15366 http://curi.us/comments/show/15366
curi Andy B Harassment and Four Strands
andy join: 2018-08-18
andy leave: 2018-09-15
rat1 join: 2019-07-16
rat1 leave: 2019-09-12
aug join: 2019-09-14 (two days after rat rage quit)
aug leave: 2020-01-04
felix join: 2019-07-31
felix leave: 2019-08-21
rat2 join: 2019-11-06
rat2 leave: 2020-01-01
andy rejoin: 2020-01-11 (apparently to delete old messages which were still in the log files on 2019-08-28 but are gone today on 2020-02-04)]]>
Tue, 04 Feb 2020 04:00:21 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15365 http://curi.us/comments/show/15365
curi Andy B Harassment and Four Strands
> curi clearly has autism and has no idea how to socialize, take jokes or even understand what people are saying in-explicitly. Trying to build a philosophical world view based on his failure to understand people is a ridiculous endeavor. Now I know why DD wants nothing to do with this wanna be nonsense. This isn't Philosophy, this is a cult!
>
> I am out. Gl to the rest of you who have drank his holy kool-aid. I hope you can deprogram yourselves and see him for the farce that he is. Can't even tel Discord Warrior is a troll.]]>
Tue, 04 Feb 2020 03:59:54 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15364 http://curi.us/comments/show/15364
curi Andy B Harassment and Four Strands
> Hello Elliot,
>
> I apologize for my behavior yesterday. I shouldn't have implied you were a bigot. I've been thinking of what caused me to react so strongly and I think it was fear. I was afraid that you could convince me to think that a wall is a good idea. It felt like I was betraying my friends and people I care about if I were to start agreeing with something like that. But I ended up betraying my own values of seeking truth and honest conversations. Either way, I behaved poorly and I apologize.
>
> -Andy

He rage the server five days later on Sept 15 which is what you see in #15362 That was related to a discussion about reddit moderation. Then the very next day, sept 16, is when the harassment started.

Andy rejoined the FI Discord on Jan 11, 2020, apparently in order to delete a bunch of old chat messages. Looks like he went through and deleted everything after Sept 8, 2010 (I think you have to do it one message at a time, afaik), but I have saved copies of it. Here's a sample from what he deleted from the immigration rage quit conversation:

[10-Sep-18 05:43 PM] HeuristicWorld#6964
Not really. Most immigrants from Mexico assimilate fine, they do their jobs etc... They don't commit any crimes they don't hate America. It is not like the Islam issue in Europe where they purposely don't assimilate and hate the place that is helping the
[10-Sep-18 05:43 PM] HeuristicWorld#6964
them*

The messages in #15362 were deleted too but I pasted those from my own message because I'd copy/pasted those to a different channel. I've also found them in my older log backup now. Here's something that paste left out:

[15-Sep-18 06:28 PM] curi#0644
can you quote any bullying statement or define bullying?
[15-Sep-18 06:29 PM] HeuristicWorld#6964
You're saying I am dishonest and a dictator etc...

These messages are in my backup log from 2019-08-28 but are missing today, so I think Andy must have deleted them when he rejoined in Jan 2020.]]>
Tue, 04 Feb 2020 03:59:40 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15363 http://curi.us/comments/show/15363
curi Andy B Harassment and Four Strands
[6:28 PM] HeuristicWorld (Andy): I am really kind of confused at your bullying attitude towards me
[6:30 PM] HeuristicWorld (Andy): Sabotaging, I guess you expect me to be like everyone else here that takes your word for gospel
[6:30 PM] HeuristicWorld (Andy): The thing is I don't consider you superior to me and It bothers you.
[6:31 PM] HeuristicWorld (Andy): which is fine
[6:31 PM] HeuristicWorld (Andy): I've dealt with big egos before]]>
Tue, 04 Feb 2020 03:31:40 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15362 http://curi.us/comments/show/15362
Anonymous Andy B Harassment and Four Strands
Tweets are now protected and he blocked a lot of people.]]>
Tue, 04 Feb 2020 02:27:25 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15361 http://curi.us/comments/show/15361
Anonymous Andy B Harassment and Four Strands Tue, 04 Feb 2020 00:47:58 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15360 http://curi.us/comments/show/15360 curi Andy B Harassment and Four Strands
https://twitter.com/HeuristicWorld/status/1220980866278744064

![](https://curi.us/img/QoiUr5irs6eCI5D-467x712.png)]]>
Tue, 04 Feb 2020 00:17:06 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15359 http://curi.us/comments/show/15359
curi Andy B Harassment and Four Strands
https://curi.us/2231-productive-global-warming-discussion#14209]]>
Mon, 03 Feb 2020 23:09:22 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15358 http://curi.us/comments/show/15358
curi Andy B Harassment and Four Strands
![](https://curi.us/img/MVwjGsoEtxeNeS3-723x341.png)

And here's Andy, who clearly hates and flames me, accusing me of gaslighting a around three weeks ago, on the Four Strands discord:

Andy B 01/11/2020
Forgive me if I am being insensitive about it, I know some ppl still favorable to FI and in addition some ppl really got hurt by it.

Andy B 01/11/2020
Don't feel bad. Those kind of people are quite adept at manipulation.
Super easy to get, not necessarily gaslighted, but something close to it.

Andy B 01/17/2020 lol
I mean I laugh because curi failed with his indoctrination toward me but he doesn't always. He has hurt a lot of people, and continues to. I agree with TheRat on what he wrote in the other Discord. It is indeed quite sad. @TheRat Do you mind if I copy it here (assuming I can find it)?
Though mockery (at who hurt you) can be good therapy.

---

Andy (probably him but if he wants me to believe something is him, he should email it to me from the bconecat email) posted a comment on this post today, which I removed, which denied that he wrote a single one of the harassing comments. If he wants me to believe that, he will have to explain why he both IP-matches and Security ID matches the harasser who would, in that case, apparently be Felix/Rat/Aug/the-rest. The security ID match basically indicates sharing a computer or having an identical computer with a bunch of identical software and settings which would be quite a coincidence unless e.g. they both were using computers from the same computer lab. Andy would also have to explain why the harasser started using a VPN consistently, for a long time period, after I told Andy the IP address the harassment was coming from (Andy's own main IP). There are many signs that Andy and Felix keep in touch and share information even if, theoretically possibly but I have no real reason to believe it, only one of them actually typed in the harassing comments. E.g. maybe Andy and Felix were roommates who shared a PC sometimes, but then Andy moved out (the Andy comment claimed that he now lives in a different city than his 2018 city).]]>
Mon, 03 Feb 2020 22:27:12 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15357 http://curi.us/comments/show/15357
Andy Emails When The Harassment Begins curi Andy B Harassment and Four Strands
![](https://curi.us/img/VBiXsC3kmSxUfZ7-1230x445.png)

I replied:

> You posted over 100 comments from the same IP address (72.178.3.189) and troll comments from that IP address started shortly after you left Discord. If it’s not you, it’s someone you share an internet connection with and told that I was toxic.

Andy didn't reply but the harassment promptly stopped for a while, then consistently came from other IP addresses until late 2019.

Andy was lying to me when he said "Funny, I use VPN and my IP address changes." He had consistently posted from a single IP. 86 out of 94 of the comments from "Andy" prior to the harassment were from the one IP. (There were more from the same IP where he forgot to type his name, hence me saying over 100 in the quote.)]]>
Mon, 03 Feb 2020 22:23:10 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15356 http://curi.us/comments/show/15356
curi Andy B Harassment and Four Strands
But the server data clearly connects Andy's IP and computer with TheRat. It looks like there are two people involved who have shared a computer and internet connection. They are friends, family, roommates or something.

They also share ideas and information (e.g. I told Augustine about an obscure book and then Andy blogged about it, and there are many other indications they have lots of the same knowledge of FI, CR, IDW, BoI, Objectivism, etc., and TheRat routinely shows up in the same reddit and twitter threads as Andy).

I have no way to know how much of the harassing was done by Andy and how much by Felix because they have shared computer equipment and an internet connection. My data can't tell them apart in that case.

I will add some kind of update to my post later.

Also here's Felix's reddit account: https://www.reddit.com/user/FelixTheFallibleCat]]>
Mon, 03 Feb 2020 21:42:55 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15355 http://curi.us/comments/show/15355
Rat Twitter Deleted curi Andy B Harassment and Four Strands
![](https://curi.us/img/BJEyZ0YndqmecmE-497x370.png)]]>
Mon, 03 Feb 2020 21:16:59 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15354 http://curi.us/comments/show/15354
Update: TheRat deletes his reddit account curi Andy B Harassment and Four Strands
![](https://curi.us/img/aX1tPG8X9FY6nmx-794x478.png)

They're covering their tracks by deleting stuff.]]>
Mon, 03 Feb 2020 21:14:00 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15353 http://curi.us/comments/show/15353
Update: Andy deletes his reddit account curi Andy B Harassment and Four Strands
![](https://curi.us/img/GTWDY02JFUmcr7I-779x466.png)

It was there last time I checked. I don't remember when that was, maybe a couple days ago.]]>
Mon, 03 Feb 2020 20:57:40 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15352 http://curi.us/comments/show/15352
curi David Deutsch Interview Undermines His Philosophy Mon, 03 Feb 2020 18:01:11 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15350 http://curi.us/comments/show/15350 DeepMind's PYTHIA fills in missing characters in ancient Greek inscriptions Alisa Popper Ignores Hamilton Mon, 03 Feb 2020 15:20:44 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15349 http://curi.us/comments/show/15349 oh my god it's turpentine Psychiatry Discussion
https://conjecturesandrefutations.com/2020/02/03/ruffalo-on-szasz-and-civil-commitment/]]>
Mon, 03 Feb 2020 14:01:37 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15348 http://curi.us/comments/show/15348
Coronavirus Anonymous Open Discussion 2 (2019) Mon, 03 Feb 2020 13:59:58 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15347 http://curi.us/comments/show/15347 curi Open Discussion 2 (2019) Mon, 03 Feb 2020 13:55:58 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15346 http://curi.us/comments/show/15346 curi Psychiatry Discussion
This article alleges Szasz was more friendly to standard psychiatry than commonly believed. It has a quote from a video taped interview. Looks potentially concerning but I haven't investigated much yet.]]>
Mon, 03 Feb 2020 02:35:36 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15345 http://curi.us/comments/show/15345
Anonymous David Deutsch Interview Undermines His Philosophy Sun, 02 Feb 2020 20:17:37 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15344 http://curi.us/comments/show/15344 “data errors” on the front pages of several publications Alisa Open Discussion 2 (2019)
> Data errors are so pervasive that I came up with a hypothesis today and put it to the test. My hypothesis was this: 100% of “reputable” publications will have at least one data error on their front page.

> Method
> I wrote down 10 reputable sources off the top of my head: the WSJ, the New England Journal of Medicine, Nature, the Economist, the New Yorker, Al Jazeera, Harvard Business Review, Google News: Science, the FDA, and the NIH.
> For each source, I went to their website and took a single screenshot of their homepage, above the fold, and skimmed their top stories for data errors.

I like how the article describes the methodology that was used.

> Results
> In the screenshots above, you can see that 10/10 of these publications had data errors front and center.

Nice way to summarize the results: a combined screenshot of all the front pages with the “data errors” highlighted.

> A good rule of thumb is anything you read that includes p-values to explain why it is significant is not significant.

Fair.]]>
Sun, 02 Feb 2020 18:52:03 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15343 http://curi.us/comments/show/15343
curi David Deutsch Interview Undermines His Philosophy Sun, 02 Feb 2020 14:58:12 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15342 http://curi.us/comments/show/15342 Anonymous David Deutsch Interview Undermines His Philosophy
> Anon99 is one of many false identities of a persistent harasser, doxer, spammer, IRL-threatener, financial fraudster and liar.

How do you know that Anon99 is the same person as the one who's done all that stuff?]]>
Sun, 02 Feb 2020 14:49:50 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15341 http://curi.us/comments/show/15341
curi David Deutsch Interview Undermines His Philosophy
I only deleted comments from him, not anyone else. He did write a couple comments supporting himself from different names. I left some of his comments up because people had replied to them.

Computer security isn't perfect. If someone accidentally gets caught in the crossfire, and e.g. I delete a comment I shouldn't have, they can contact me.

Further actions are in progress.]]>
Sun, 02 Feb 2020 13:32:43 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15340 http://curi.us/comments/show/15340
Anon99 banned? Anonymous David Deutsch Interview Undermines His Philosophy
Anon99 claims in this post that he's been "effectively banned" here. He says that any comments he posts, and any that other people post that are "in any way supportive" of him, are being deleted.

Are his claims true? If so, why was he banned, and why are comments supporting him being deleted?]]>
Sun, 02 Feb 2020 13:20:55 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15339 http://curi.us/comments/show/15339
kieren Rationally Resolving Conflicts of Ideas
It's laid out in the specification of the theory that we we wish to test. The theory specifies what we are looking for (what counts as a sample). It is here that I would say we specify in what ways our sample will be representative.


> If you don't know what "begging the question" means, don't say it. Say normal words that explain what you mean. Throughout this discussion you've been making incorrect claims related to logic jargon and formulas and they're causing ongoing problems.

I do know what it means. The circularity I see is something like this: 'The anomaly explanation is bad, not because it lacks inductive support (justification), but because it is a bad explanation'. The premise assumes the conclusion.

> What we need is a non-refuted explanation.

> re Salmon paper, he does a decent job explaining some of the problems in the field. Popper's basic answer, which Salmon doesn't comment on in that quote, is to use critical discussion to criticize ideas. That's how you rationally choose between conjectures.

Yes, we use critical discussion, but what Salmon points out is that the tools that Popper allows into critical discussion (level of corroboration, etc) are insufficient for choosing between conjectures when it comes to "practical prediction".

Do you plan to respond to the rest of my response?]]>
Sat, 01 Feb 2020 22:15:21 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15338 http://curi.us/comments/show/15338
kieren Rationally Resolving Conflicts of Ideas
I had a little write up here. I posted this to twitter which started this discussion.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/17chWJ2M0HlD47FFt1ZxsZr6Ogf6K-LW5-dGOfdxBxao/edit]]>
Sat, 01 Feb 2020 21:08:15 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15337 http://curi.us/comments/show/15337
Anonymous Open Discussion 2 (2019)
Because Google links all your accounts and the Overwatch League will now be on YouTube, you can be banned from your gmail account and be seriously fucked because you posted some emotes in an Overwatch game chat.]]>
Sat, 01 Feb 2020 19:42:39 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15336 http://curi.us/comments/show/15336
Studying Metro route #6 GISTE Mario Odyssey Discussion
Here are the explanations I wrote down last time:
- During the long jump, wait a bit to get more distance before throwing cappy.
- Wait a moment after the cap throws to get the max height and distance from the cap jump.
- Says there is a 2nd way that is a little slower (5:50). I may do this if I have too much trouble with the first way.

I also rewatched the relevant part of the guide.

Section 3:
- Success
- Success
- Fail - I waited to long during the long jump before throwing cappy.
- Success
- Success
- Success
- Success
- Success
- Fail - through cappy too early during the long jump
- Fail - through cappy too late again
- Success
- Fail - watched video. Not sure
- Fail - started the long jump too early from the ledge.
- Success
- Success
- Success

Moving on to section 4. I haven't decided what that is yet.]]>
Sat, 01 Feb 2020 09:50:14 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15333 http://curi.us/comments/show/15333
Anonymous The Taking Children Seriously and Fallible Ideas Communities
> We all hold deeply rooted ideas, from states of mind to genetic dispositions to articulated ideas.

Jan reveals that, despite writing several TCS-related books, she was never much of an informed TCS intellectual, or else she'd know (the TCS view) that people don't have genetic dispositions.]]>
Sat, 01 Feb 2020 04:42:25 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15332 http://curi.us/comments/show/15332
curi Mario Odyssey Discussion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDGmFveY2IA]]>
Sat, 01 Feb 2020 02:12:50 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15331 http://curi.us/comments/show/15331
Alisa David Deutsch Interview Undermines His Philosophy
I guess a lot of people would use the term "emotional outburst" to refer to a communication that is *not* a product of reasoned thought. Is that consistent with how you mean it?

> I don't agree that DD's "Yes" was contemptible.

I think disagreements over whether an idea is *true* have priority over disagreements about the *choice of words used to express the idea*. In general, I don't see how you can expect to reach agreement on the latter without reaching agreement on the former.]]>
Fri, 31 Jan 2020 13:11:43 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15330 http://curi.us/comments/show/15330
Anon99 David Deutsch Interview Undermines His Philosophy
> If so, what specifically about it do you regard as false?

Taken at face-value, I cannot parse the sentence as a true/false claim. But, if I go beyond the words to guess at the motivating claims, the following ideas come into my head:

- "DD, you did something seriously wrong here."
- "You should be despised and condemned."
- "I am a better person than DD."
- "I am good."
- "DD is not just bad, but evil."

Some of these are fairly clearly implied and some of them are vaguely implied and drawn from my experience of other people (and myself) having these kinds of emotional outbursts. I consider all of these (imagined) claims to be false.]]>
Fri, 31 Jan 2020 12:57:18 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15329 http://curi.us/comments/show/15329
Anon99 David Deutsch Interview Undermines His Philosophy
Yes, to the extent that this emotional outburst is a claim, it's false.

> If so, what specifically about it do you regard as false? I'm also not clear on whether you agree with Elliot that DD's "Yes" was contemptible.

I don't agree that DD's "Yes" was contemptible. It was a mistake and one that I'm sure he would wish to correct in the future or if it were possible to go back in time.]]>
Fri, 31 Jan 2020 11:31:17 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15328 http://curi.us/comments/show/15328
Alisa David Deutsch Interview Undermines His Philosophy
To clarify: this is only my interpretation of what Elliot wrote. I may be misunderstanding it.]]>
Fri, 31 Jan 2020 11:17:23 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15327 http://curi.us/comments/show/15327
Alisa David Deutsch Interview Undermines His Philosophy
> According to strict logic I believe the claims are false.

Ok. So here's the "WHAT THE FUCK DD, DIAF" claim again.

>> Rose: The title of the book, "The Beginning of Infinity", is actually an optimistic... or "optimism" isn't maybe the right word, it's actually an intuition that we may well be on the verge of quite possibly a Golden Age.

> then the host just abruptly changes the topic cuz he has nothing to say and the discussion isn't valuable enough to want to keep going with, he'd rather just try something else

> also lol this question is so utterly wrong. we're always at the BEGINNING of infinity and the BEGINNING does not constitute a "golden age".

>> Deutsch: Yes.

> WHAT THE FUCK DD, DIAF

> the interviewer said something strongly contrary to BoI, attributed it to BoI, and you said "yes"

IIUC, you regard "WHAT THE FUCK DD, DIAF" as false. If so, what specifically about it do you regard as false? I'm also not clear on whether you agree with Elliot that DD's "Yes" was contemptible.]]>
Fri, 31 Jan 2020 11:14:13 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15326 http://curi.us/comments/show/15326
Anon99 David Deutsch Interview Undermines His Philosophy
Fine. According to strict logic I believe the claims are false.

In my last post, I was trying to express the idea that though the claims are false, that doesn't mean there is no value in them. That's what I meant by "truth" in quotes.]]>
Fri, 31 Jan 2020 10:53:00 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15325 http://curi.us/comments/show/15325
Alisa David Deutsch Interview Undermines His Philosophy
I brought up contempt because it was part of the meaning of the claims that I asked you to evaluate -- a meaning which you seemed to deliberately exclude in your response, contrary to the intent of my question.

I don't understand why you can't answer "yes" or "no" to my question about the truth of the claims. If a claim says anything false, then it's false, even if it says some other true things. For example, 1 is positive, but "1 is positive and 2 is negative" is false.]]>
Fri, 31 Jan 2020 10:36:23 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15324 http://curi.us/comments/show/15324
Anon99 David Deutsch Interview Undermines His Philosophy
The "seems" was related to the whole of the logic, rather than each individual statement.

I said "it seems like" because it was not something you said directly, but my guess to fill in the blanks and connect it to the core subject of the conversation - i.e. the rationale behind Elliot writing in a disrespectful style. Why else would you bring up contempt if not to explain the rationale behind writing in that style? My hope was that expressing of your logic might lead you to correct it and give me a better understanding of where you're coming at. It didn't turn out that way. You just told me I was wrong and didn't expand beyond what you said before. Never mind.

I answered your question indirectly in my previous comment, but I can't answer it directly with a "yes" or "no". I understand that the contempt forms part of the meaning of those statements. I do not agree with the contempt part. That part is not true and detracts from the true part. That is not to say I believe there is *no* "truth" in the contempt part. The contempt expresses something that is valuable, but expresses it in a way that is untrue.]]>
Fri, 31 Jan 2020 10:13:56 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15323 http://curi.us/comments/show/15323
Alisa David Deutsch Interview Undermines His Philosophy Fri, 31 Jan 2020 09:36:25 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15322 http://curi.us/comments/show/15322 Alisa David Deutsch Interview Undermines His Philosophy
> It seems like you're implying: (1) Some of what DD said was contemptible;

No. What statement(s) of mine seemed to you to imply that?

> (2) terms like "DIAF" express contempt;

No -- I didn't "seem []" to "imply[]" that, I *stated it directly*.

> therefore, (3) it is appropriate to use terms like DIAF in response to some of what DD said.

No. Again, what statement(s) of mine seemed to you to imply that?

> *Is that a correct summation of your logic?*

No.

I explained what terms like "DIAF" mean, explained that I regard the meaning of those terms as part of the meaning of the claims, and asked you (again) whether the claims were true. You still haven't answered.]]>
Fri, 31 Jan 2020 09:26:19 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15321 http://curi.us/comments/show/15321
Anon99 David Deutsch Interview Undermines His Philosophy
>>> Do you believe that any of the quoted claims are *true*?
>> I agree with the substance of nearly all, if not all, the points Elliot raises...
> That doesn't answer my question.

Your quoting makes it appear that was my words were a direct response to your question. That is a misrepresentation. I did not answer your questions. My response argued that your questions were taking the onus away from Elliot to explain his style.

> The use of terms such as "DIAF" and "pathetic" means, among other things, something like: X is *contemptible*. That type of thing is part of the meaning of the quoted claims of which I was asking you to evaluate the truth

Before I criticize the logic, let me check my understanding. It seems like you're implying: (1) Some of what DD said was contemptible; (2) terms like "DIAF" express contempt; therefore, (3) it is appropriate to use terms like DIAF in response to some of what DD said. *Is that a correct summation of your logic?*

So, let's go ahead and do what you asked before and look at an example from Elliot's critique then. Let's look at the one I find most controversial - the one that tells Deutsch to DIAF:

>> Rose: The title of the book, "The Beginning of Infinity", is actually
>> an optimistic... or "optimism" isn't maybe the right word, it's
>> actually an intuition that we may well be on the verge of quite
>> possibly a Golden Age.
>
>then the host just abruptly changes the topic cuz he has nothing to say and the discussion isn't valuable enough to want to keep going with, he'd rather just try something else
>
>also lol this question is so utterly wrong. we're always at the BEGINNING of infinity and the BEGINNING does not constitute a "golden age".
>
>> Deutsch: Yes.
>
>WHAT THE FUCK DD, DIAF
>
>the interviewer said something strongly contrary to BoI, attributed it to BoI, and you said "yes"

Do you think that "WHAT THE FUCK DD, DIAF" is the correct and proportionate response to David Deutsch saying "Yes" to the idea "we may well be on the verge of quite possibly a Golden Age"? Does this deserve such high levels of contempt?

Why not say (for example) "DD should not have replied 'Yes' because we're always at the BEGINNING of infinity and the BEGINNING does not constitute a 'golden age'. Quite the opposite! DD missed an opportunity to clarify that important point. The interviewer said something strongly contrary to BoI, attributed it to BoI, and DD said 'yes'."?

I agree it was a serious mistake for DD to reply 'yes', but we all have lapses of concentration. We are all fallible. I think it's right for Elliot to criticize DD's response, but shouting and swearing at him and telling him to "DIAF" is way out of proportion.]]>
Fri, 31 Jan 2020 09:08:01 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15320 http://curi.us/comments/show/15320
Anonymous Fuck China Fri, 31 Jan 2020 08:19:50 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15319 http://curi.us/comments/show/15319 Alisa David Deutsch Interview Undermines His Philosophy
>> Do you believe that any of the quoted claims are *true*?

> I agree with the substance of nearly all, if not all, the points Elliot raises...

That doesn't answer my question. I asked about the truth of *the quoted claims*, not about their "substance", a word you seem to have chosen in order to exclude part of their meaning.

The use of terms such as "DIAF" and "pathetic" means, among other things, something like: X is *contemptible*. That type of thing is part of the meaning of the quoted claims of which I was asking you to evaluate the truth.

> Do you agree that Elliot's style is sneering?

No, but several meanings of "sneer" involve contempt, and I would agree that (at least some of) the quoted statements *express contempt*. How's that?

Here's why I disagree with your word choice:

- One common meaning of "sneer" involves [facial](https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/sneer) [expressions](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sneer), which doesn't fit.

- Another common meaning involves ["amusement"](https://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/sneering), which also doesn't fit.

- Another meaning involves ["an insinuation of scorn or derision by language more or less covert and indirect"](https://www.wordnik.com/words/sneer), but that also doesn't fit, because the text quoted in #15294 is quite direct.]]>
Fri, 31 Jan 2020 08:15:40 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15318 http://curi.us/comments/show/15318
Anonymous David Deutsch Interview Undermines His Philosophy Fri, 31 Jan 2020 03:32:01 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15316 http://curi.us/comments/show/15316 Anon99 David Deutsch Interview Undermines His Philosophy Fri, 31 Jan 2020 03:28:35 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15315 http://curi.us/comments/show/15315 curi David Deutsch Interview Undermines His Philosophy Fri, 31 Jan 2020 03:21:46 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15314 http://curi.us/comments/show/15314 Anon99 David Deutsch Interview Undermines His Philosophy Fri, 31 Jan 2020 03:21:26 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15313 http://curi.us/comments/show/15313 curi David Deutsch Interview Undermines His Philosophy Fri, 31 Jan 2020 03:16:52 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15312 http://curi.us/comments/show/15312 Anon99 David Deutsch Interview Undermines His Philosophy Fri, 31 Jan 2020 03:14:02 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15311 http://curi.us/comments/show/15311 curi David Deutsch Interview Undermines His Philosophy Fri, 31 Jan 2020 03:10:10 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15310 http://curi.us/comments/show/15310 Anon99 David Deutsch Interview Undermines His Philosophy
If these issues keep coming up and if they are having other negative consequences (e.g. people posting spammy troll comments about you, people not wanting you to join their discussion group) or if they are hard to explain to unknown people with unknown backgrounds, these all sound like problems to be solved. Or excuses.]]>
Fri, 31 Jan 2020 03:07:00 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15309 http://curi.us/comments/show/15309
curi David Deutsch Interview Undermines His Philosophy
I have answers about the archives but they are hard to explain to an unknown person with unknown background knowledge with one foot out the door.]]>
Fri, 31 Jan 2020 02:21:26 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15308 http://curi.us/comments/show/15308
Anon99 David Deutsch Interview Undermines His Philosophy
I have been reading the archives, by the way, and have not found anything like a coherent rationale. The most I found was something that (I think) Alan said along the lines that strongly worded criticisms are good because they themselves provoke criticism.

I think there is an important difference between strongly worded - e.g. using words like "always" - and insultingly worded. I can see how the former would provoke criticism of the substance, but the latter seems only to provoke criticism of the style (as shown by your complaint of "plenty" of similar questions in the archives).]]>
Fri, 31 Jan 2020 02:01:45 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15307 http://curi.us/comments/show/15307
curi David Deutsch Interview Undermines His Philosophy Fri, 31 Jan 2020 00:55:41 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15306 http://curi.us/comments/show/15306 Why be sneering? Anon99 David Deutsch Interview Undermines His Philosophy
Your question about how *I* would phrase the claims seems designed to move the conversation away from my question, to put the onus on me to explain *my* alternative, rather than leave it on Elliot to explain his choice. I assume, by your question, you agree there are numerous possible styles for writing a criticism. I'm not trying to push a particular style. I'm trying to find out why Elliot chose the style he did.

*Do you agree that Elliot's style is sneering?* I posted numerous quotes (although I would argue that even a single one would be enough to reveal Elliot's attitude).

*If you agree, why haven't you said so explicitly?* The title of your comment was "substance > style" and the fact that you didn't explicitly disagree seems to suggest perhaps you do. Do you feel unable to express an opinion about Elliot's style? Why? (What are you afraid of?) Are you interested in his reasons for adopting the style? If not, why not?]]>
Fri, 31 Jan 2020 00:34:42 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15305 http://curi.us/comments/show/15305
substance > style Alisa David Deutsch Interview Undermines His Philosophy Thu, 30 Jan 2020 15:44:36 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15304 http://curi.us/comments/show/15304 Hiding ideas from criticism Alisa Alisa Discussion Wed, 29 Jan 2020 20:35:17 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15301 http://curi.us/comments/show/15301 curi Rational Discussion Tips
ppl have a voice in their head and feel like they are thinking in words, but then find it hard to speak it outloud or write it down, which generally indicates they're only partially using words (there are other factors like lack of objectivity)

feeling like you know what you mean, but having difficulty saying it, broadly means you don't know what you mean

externalizing something enough to get it into words outside of your head is crucial to thinking objectively and being critical of your own ideas]]>
Wed, 29 Jan 2020 18:02:48 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15299 http://curi.us/comments/show/15299
Anon99 Static Memes Are About Social Dynamics
I was chatting the other day with one of my teenage son's friends about "climate change". He couldn't answer many of my difficult questions about his position and changed the conversation then left. I know he has a public Twitter account, I was thinking about taking out an advert in the local newspaper with his name, photo and Twitter handle under the title "Climate Change Discussion Evader!". What do you think? Would this be a reasonable thing to do? If not, why not?]]>
Wed, 29 Jan 2020 16:46:26 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15295 http://curi.us/comments/show/15295
Anon99 David Deutsch Interview Undermines His Philosophy
> DD you suck.

> more boring crap

> he's at the same time managing to be too much of a wordy blowhard and also not including substance. cuz he wastes most of his time on useless status junk.

> jesus fuck this sentence structure.

> WHAT THE FUCK DD, DIAF

> did his minder teach him never to contradict an interviewer?

> this is so pathetic.

> and why does DD say he is "afraid"? that's dumb.

> long ass lecture]]>
Wed, 29 Jan 2020 16:15:02 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15294 http://curi.us/comments/show/15294
Anonymous David Deutsch Interview Undermines His Philosophy
re your complaints about the rest https://curi.us/2194-discussion-policy-quotes-or-youre-presumed-wrong and also it's problematic to talk with you when there are no indications you will try to discuss to a conclusion rather than just try a few attacks then disappear.]]>
Wed, 29 Jan 2020 15:53:31 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15293 http://curi.us/comments/show/15293
Anon99 David Deutsch Interview Undermines His Philosophy
Are you implying that if every style is "complained about" all styles are equally good? I don't see how that can be the case.

If you read my question, it's not so much a *complaint* as a request for an explanation. I want to understand the rationale behind adopting this nasty, supercilious, subcultural style. To me, it seems unhelpfully disrespectful and exclusionary. I would love to know the benefits of this style because I'm not seeing them.

Does Elliot think his own status increases when he shit-talks David Deutsch? If so, it definitely didn't work for me. It had the opposite effect.]]>
Wed, 29 Jan 2020 15:46:42 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15292 http://curi.us/comments/show/15292
Anonymous David Deutsch Interview Undermines His Philosophy
curi, as you probably know, receives criticism from all sides. He's called a robot who doesn't tell enough jokes, doesn't use enough memes, always uses the same calm rational academic style, etc. Live a little! Don't be so dull! But any other style is also complained about. There is no style that pleases everyone.]]>
Wed, 29 Jan 2020 14:52:33 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15291 http://curi.us/comments/show/15291
Jewish culture Anonymous Open Discussion 2 (2019) Wed, 29 Jan 2020 13:26:55 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15290 http://curi.us/comments/show/15290 Your tone Anon99 David Deutsch Interview Undermines His Philosophy
> WHAT THE FUCK DD, DIAF

As [I understand it](https://www.dictionary.com/e/acronyms/diaf/) DIAF means "die in a fire". Can you explain why you included this in your criticism?

I would guess you don't literally want David Deutsch to die in a fire (maybe you do) and you used that expression to try to emphasize your opposition to what he said. If that's the case, I think it's a shame you couldn't come up with words that weren't so ambiguous and menacing.

To me, the general tone of the criticism felt supercilious (like you believe you are a better person than David Deutsch) and destructive, rather than constructive.

You make some good points but you require the reader to look past your attitude. I'm not sure why you would write it like that. The fact that you posted a link to this criticism, with no accompanying explanation, suggests to me that you are pleased with it. Please explain.]]>
Wed, 29 Jan 2020 03:59:29 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15289 http://curi.us/comments/show/15289
curi David Deutsch Interview Undermines His Philosophy
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Tue, 28 Jan 2020 17:09:01 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15287 http://curi.us/comments/show/15287
curi Open Discussion 2 (2019)
I still liked the concept of using specific non-standard terms where the google and youtube search results are all stuff that fits your agenda because only your group uses it. I thought that was an interesting (bad) tactic.

His general concepts are ok but I now think the confusing wording about racism/sexism meant something bad (i didn't know what he meant there), that he may have zero examples, and that his actual concept of what is radical is probably ridiculous.

But I'm sure antifa does this stuff as he described. See e.g. https://curi.us/1965-by-any-means-necessary-a-violent-marxist-cult]]>
Tue, 28 Jan 2020 15:47:41 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15286 http://curi.us/comments/show/15286
curi Open Discussion 2 (2019)
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Wrong re "force fed" but some good points and concerns.]]>
Tue, 28 Jan 2020 15:15:27 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15285 http://curi.us/comments/show/15285
curi Dear Lurkers
And whatever topic you started with, that's generally one you had a reason to talk about – you thought it was a good idea and were interested – so there's a reason that's a good topic to discuss for you.

And people have lots of problems with not finishing discussions or getting very far in them. Having lots of discussions that don't get past the beginning is bad. Limiting topic changes helps with this.

This doesn't mean to never change topics. Not even close. If you find out about a problem with the original topic (for you, in your current situation), you may want to change. Or if you find out about some advantage of a different topic. If you do change topics, you should often put the original topic on hold.]]>
Tue, 28 Jan 2020 15:06:39 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15284 http://curi.us/comments/show/15284
curi Dear Lurkers
No.

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Anything anyone says to anyone may somehow be coercive. In general, it's very hard to predict aside from simple cases. If you're doing any kind of complex analysis, that's an indication that it's too hard to predict and one should default to expecting everyone to worry about their own life.

A reason it's hard to predict is that communication involves creativity to interpret. Another is that people are extremely complex and you don't have enough info about other people (or, often, yourself, for predicting your own reactions to things).

A bigger reason it's hard to predict is that coercion involves a failure at problem solving. You can't assume that people will fail every time they're faced with anything negative or a problem. Most of the time, they don't fail. How do you know which few of problems will be the ones they fail at dealing with?

So for example, your comment could be coercive to me. First, it's negative and critical. Second, I can reasonably guess that you might not follow up much and reach conclusions in this discussion. As I see it, there are lots of interesting conversations that could happen but probably won't. Wanting what I can't have could coerce me. And it could present me a difficult problem about what to do. Put effort into a project that will probably evaporate in the middle, and with most of the learning (for both you and me) backloaded towards the end of the conversation (the part I think is unlikely to happen)?

Should I try extra hard to say a lot ASAP before you quit, or just take it in little steps which could lead to you thinking I don't have much to say and leaving? Those are conflicting ideas I could have, and that conflict could be hard to resolve, and it could be your fault.

I don't think your post is especially coercive. It's just life. You don't know me that well. You can't predict my thoughts that well. You didn't cross any sort of major line into a simple case of doing something bad that's easier to analyze.

Standards can be raised a bit when dealing with long term relationships where you know more about someone, so you ought to be able to predict more. But a lot of what happens there is still simple arguments and predictions, e.g.: your child requested you don't do X 3 times in the last year, and then today you did X, so you should have reasonably predicted he would dislike it. Whereas with a stranger on the internet, or especially writing an article for a general audience, there frequently aren't any relevant past requests.

The purpose of

> If your instinct is to deny this, that is a major indication that you will be a bad parent.

is to point out unsolved problems, to help people learn something, so that they can better recognize the importance and value of making progress. This is also kinda similar to your criticizing me as possibly a bad (even coercive) educator, but less personally directed.]]>
Tue, 28 Jan 2020 14:41:06 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15283 http://curi.us/comments/show/15283
Coercion Anonymous Dear Lurkers
I ask because:

> If your instinct is to deny this, that is a major indication that you will be a bad parent.

Sentences like this, where it’s like: If person does X, then they (likely) have bad attribute Y, seem to be coercive. There are more examples, but I will just start with that one.

This is because they commonly cause the average person to feel conflict. They read the sentence, then have some kind of negative emotional reaction. However, perhaps they can’t rationally refute the idea that having attribute Y is bad. This is a conflict between the negative emotional reaction (inexplicit) and the not being able to refute the idea (explicit).

What are the consequences? If you can’t find anything wrong with such a statement, you *might* end up acting on his idea because you have some idea of rationality and it involving acting on ideas that are unrefuted and letting argument be your guide. Even though the negative emotional reaction indicates you is in conflict, you may not realise that.

In conclusion: The way ET presents his material may lead to people coercing themselves.

Now, we could just explain that ET did not *cause* them to coerce themselves, their irrationalities did. People may have the bad idea that: Noticing an error of type Y is bad and should result in feeling anxious. However, I think it should be pointed out, especially as ET advertises himself as an educator.]]>
Tue, 28 Jan 2020 08:02:23 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15282 http://curi.us/comments/show/15282
Anonymous The Taking Children Seriously and Fallible Ideas Communities
> But since you two complainers seem incapable of coming up with your own topics, perhaps you might like the following provocative tidbit from the fast-breaking world of "simple" questions and simple answers (or at least simple-minded ones) to the needs of children and parents. Playboy reports, in the "Forum Newsfront" of their February 1995 issue:
>
> "FINDLAY, OHIO -- Hancock County prosecutors dropped a wiretapping charge against a mother accused of bugging her 16-year-old daughter's telephone. Illegal wiretapping is a third-degree felony punishable by up to two years in prison and a $5000 fine, but the local judge liked the idea of parents concerning themselves with their children."
>
> This bit of "justice" is a rather breathtaking display of simple-minded certainty about the correct form of the parent/child relationship, wouldn't you say? Mother knows best, after all.]]>
Tue, 28 Jan 2020 05:16:08 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15281 http://curi.us/comments/show/15281
A TCS post from 1995 Anonymous The Taking Children Seriously and Fallible Ideas Communities interest in children, and in particular in taking children seriously. My
lifelong work at Sudbury Valley School has been devoted entirely to the
notion that children can be given responsibility for their lives in the same
way as adults can, an idea that has particular signficance in a free,
democratic society.

I thought that a list entitled "taking children seriously" would be about
the real problems in this idea, which seems so novel in our modern culture,
although quite accepted elsewhere and in other times. I was excited about
the prospects of hearing about others' experiences taking children seriously,
and in exchanging ideas about how this can better be done.

What I did not expect was an endless stream of communications about arcane
philosophical questions, many of which have been passed back and forth since
the dawn of time, few of which relate to the everyday reality of taking
children seriously. The few postings that used to appear about real life
have vanished almost entirely.

If there is anyone out there who joined for the same reasons I did, can we
start talking to each other again? There is no way to stop the philologists
and philosophy junkies from using the list, but at least we can re-establish
our lines of communication -- that is, if there is anyone left who feels like
talking about taking children seriously.]]>
Tue, 28 Jan 2020 05:13:23 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15280 http://curi.us/comments/show/15280
GISTE Dear Lurkers
why is this a good guideline for people bad at writing who are trying to learn to write?]]>
Tue, 28 Jan 2020 03:40:28 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15279 http://curi.us/comments/show/15279
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Anonymous Freeze Discussion Mon, 27 Jan 2020 18:45:50 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15277 http://curi.us/comments/show/15277 Just read curi's Liberalism Essay Freeze Freeze Discussion Mon, 27 Jan 2020 18:43:30 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15276 http://curi.us/comments/show/15276 Anonymous Freeze Discussion Mon, 27 Jan 2020 18:26:11 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15275 http://curi.us/comments/show/15275 Anonymous Dear Lurkers
- Breaking phobias
- Getting over irrationalities (and expecting to be able to!)
- Becoming competent at something quickly
- Not fearing making mistakes
- Enjoying finding mistakes]]>
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Currently Reading Freeze Freeze Discussion Mon, 27 Jan 2020 18:18:25 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15273 http://curi.us/comments/show/15273 curi The Taking Children Seriously and Fallible Ideas Communities Sun, 26 Jan 2020 14:00:09 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15272 http://curi.us/comments/show/15272 Anonymous The Taking Children Seriously and Fallible Ideas Communities
>> On the subject of spanking...Good heavens, I have friends who do occasionally, and I don't think it's the worst thing that guarantees a child's downfall. We have not found it to be too effective--one of our children is not always cooperative, but spanking only makes things worse with him.

A TCS leader replied:

> So the difference between you and a violent thug who can't, for the moment, find a way of inflicting pain *successfully* is ... what?]]>
Sun, 26 Jan 2020 13:45:44 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15271 http://curi.us/comments/show/15271
Anonymous Secondary David Deutsch Related Discussion Community
> When one gives reasons for one’s verdict, one assumes responsibility for it and lays oneself open to objective judgment: if one’s reasons are wrong or false, one suffers the consequences. But to condemn without giving reasons is an act of irresponsibility, a kind of moral “hit-and-run” driving, which is the essence of the Argument from Intimidation.

Bruce, Dennis and others are condemning without giving reasons.]]>
Sun, 26 Jan 2020 12:21:49 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15270 http://curi.us/comments/show/15270
Anonymous The Taking Children Seriously and Fallible Ideas Communities
> You seem to be using obedience as a measure of rationality.

And it accuses the person of using reason as "just another weapon to suppress the childs will" in "your case".

And in another followup post titled "[Name] on coercion", the TCS leader said it was a "scary thought" that [name] meant the thought he posted. There's also another post from this leader with a different person's name in the subject line, and neither of those people are the same one who was criticized for using reason as a weapon.

So putting people's names in subject lines is not something unique to the FI group, it was done on the TCS list before any of them joined.]]>
Sun, 26 Jan 2020 02:03:54 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15269 http://curi.us/comments/show/15269
Anonymous The Taking Children Seriously and Fallible Ideas Communities
> > Non-coercion requires the interplay of reason. I think that fairly young children (under six) do not find *reason* very persuasive.
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> This shows that you are regarding "reason" wrongly (or to be less rude - that you and I mean different things by "reason"). If you have the assumption that a child is not rational, you don't need the anecdotal evidence. If you are using the fact that you and your child fail to reach agreement as evidence *for* the statement that a child does not have reason, then a sceptic such as I might point out that that is equally evidence that *you* are not behaving rationally.

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> In case there is any remaining doubt about the difference in the way we are using the term, let me translate your sentence, using my definition of "reason": "I think that fairly young children (under six) do not find *my being willing to change my point of view, etc.* very helpful." I agree that a *dog* would not find that very helpful, but it is just silly to suggest that of a child. If it *were* true, *that* would be a sign that children don't have reason.
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> If you are not open to criticism, as most parents are not, then if you ever *were* wrong, you'd *never know*. In the overwhelming majority of disputes between you and your child, I happen to think your child is right and you wrong. That does not prove that the child is right and you wrong, but it does prove that it is not *obvious* that you are right in any given disagreement.]]>
Sun, 26 Jan 2020 01:56:53 +0000 http://curi.us/comments/show/15268 http://curi.us/comments/show/15268