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Free Speech Takes Thought and Effort

Open Oxford (OO) is a Facebook discussion group (with some IRL elements) which claims or aspires to be a free speech zone, but there have been some large discrepancies and problems. There are many other groups with some pretense at liberalism which have similar issues, so I think this is worthwhile even if you don't care about OO.

Here is a representative example of what Open Oxford falsely thinks of itself:
... no one is made to feel unwelcome for their opinions, and every viewpoint, no matter how controversial, can be expressed freely and without fear ... value the free exchange of ideas, and not to restrict on the basis of the opinions ... to create and nurture a culture of open debate and pluralism.

... If all ideas cannot be debated, without fear ... how is our society supposed to be organised by reason and understanding rather than groupthink and prejudice?
1)

Admin_1 deleted 5 posts which he claims were "spam". They were not in the category of things everyone agrees is spam, like links posted by a bot advertising viagra, online poker, etc.

Rather, what Admin_1 deleted was a different style of discussion than he's accustomed to and prefers. He reinterpreted a disagreement of ideas (about how to discuss, writing styles, etc) as something else other than a disagreement of ideas (in this case "spam". In other cases various other things considered illegitimate are used like "trolling" or "harassment".)

A major tactic against free speech is portray it as something else. E.g., reinterpreting speech as trolling, spam, hate, obscenity or profanity, as an excuse to censor it. In the same way that unwanted/dislike (by the parent) behavior of children must be seen as disagreement (not misbehavior, sin, willful troublemaking, etc), so too must unwanted/disliked speech be seen as disagreement (not misbehavior, sin, willful troublemaking, etc)

Admin_2 and Admin_3 don't understand free speech either, see (7) and (8) below.

2)

A poster was doxed and consequently left (preventing his free speech, because Open Oxford is not a safe space).

Doxing like seen at Open Oxford is initiation of force. The standard purpose of doxing is:

A) IRL violence, harassment, intimidation or other force

and/or

B) Threat of (A), making people feel unsafe or threatened

and/or

C) Incitement or aid for others to do (A) or (B)

Doxing can also violate property rights over the information in question.

Force like this is or should be a serious crime. It is incompatible with a free society and free speech. Initiation of force – via intimidation tactics involving harassment or threat of harassment – must not be allowed in a discussion.

There is no outcry, nothing is being done to prevent it from reoccurring and make people feel safe from force at Open Oxford. The doxer wasn't banned, and rules about doxing were not clarified. In fact, the doxing was openly supported by many posters, including an admin. Open Oxford has a dangerous mob atmosphere which is actively suppressing discussion.

(FYI, the dox comment was deleted.)

3)

Admin_2 admitted he deleted a comment because he didn't like it ("For the record, I deleted that comment because it was borderline abusive."). Here is the comment:

Context, discussing dating ideas: "Eww, fuck this shit."

Reply that Admin_2 deleted: "You sound cute, what's your number?"

That is speech. That is a discussion style – responding to hostility with a joke. It's super mild, but it shouldn't really even matter what it is. Shouldn't Admin_2 be the one explaining himself? Why hasn't he posted full written documentation of all his moderator activity – including his reasoning – like some other Facebook groups do?

Flaming someone's comment as abusive is low quality discussion, not justification of censorship.

But Open Oxford doesn't even have clear and accurate written documentation of what the moderator policies are in the first place. The result is as expected: arbitrary rule of man, rather than predictable rule of law. That isn't free speech or open discussion, it's unpredictable and unaccountable censorship.

To make matters much worse, the comment Admin_2 deleted was the very same comment the doxer had targeted. So Admin_2 sided with a thug and censored the exact thing the thug didn't like, giving the thug what he wanted.

4)

Admin_2 threatens to ban people from the discussion merely for posting ideas Admin_2 doesn't like. Admin_2 feels no need to give clear reasons for his threats, or clear criteria for what would constitute adequate obedience not to be censored.

Demands like to stop being "needlessly obnoxious" or stop making "offensive personal remarks" are hopelessly vague. That's arbitrary power.

5)

Open Oxford lacks intellectual leadership. No one is setting a good example and leading the way. No one is teaching new members how to participate more productively. No one is making essays or videos explaining how to have a productive intellectual discussion. Without teaching, demonstrations or leadership, how will the community improve and grow?

And Open Oxford's goals are vague. Is there any intention of creating new knowledge? Is this about objective truth-seeking? Is anyone expecting to actually resolve any issues? Or is it just joking around and feeling better about ourselves because we're associated with something that partially pretends to be intellectual?

6)

Open Oxford's missing moderation rules are replaced by the unpredictable oppression of vague social conventions and pressures. Where you don't have clear rules, people mostly do what feels right to them, rather than actually tolerating everything. Without clear distinctions about what crosses a line, you have everyone (including admins) making up their own lines about what is open discussion and what is somehow line-crossing. This has worked out, as should be expected, largely along conventional mob-mentality lines.

7)

OO admin Admin_3 repeatedly demanded the dox victim be banned from the group, because he interprets speech he disagrees with as abuse. People writing ideas he doesn't like, he writes, "literally just abused the policy" – referring to OO's policy of free speech. He added that he felt people were being "needlessly stubborn" about the issue of whether to ban anyone who expressed an opinion he doesn't like.

8)

Admin_2 posted, "if you make any more offensive personal remarks I'll remove you from the group. Even if you don't, you're causing people completely needless upset by arguing in this deliberately offensive way. It would also be nice if we could all try to engage with the actual ideas in this thread. Why don't you restate your argument in non personal, non emotive language?"

Let's go into detail on this. There are important misconceptions about free speech and reason here:

What's "needless" is a matter of ideas people can disagree about, not a fact.

Being deliberately offensive is a style choice that some people actually consider a moral duty. Again, there are ideas in dispute.

The demand for non-emotive language (also called "tone policing") is a requirement to write in Admin_2's style, or a range of styles that seem OK to Admin_2. But don't use other more different styles! This is a way of suppressing certain types of speech (emotive language) without realizing there is a disagreement of ideas involved, and that it's suppressing ideas. (When people write emotive language, they frequently believe that's good and right and proper – they have different ideas about how to think and discuss and communicate than Admin_2 does. Which is completely fine until someone starts demanding that other people conform to his discussion standards without understanding that he's suppressing ideas.)

Emotive language is important. In Cohen v. California, the Supreme Court of the United States ruled in favor of a man who had a jacket that said "Fuck the Draft". That's a good reminder of what free speech means – it includes emotive and offensive speech.

It's unclear what Admin_2 thinks constitutes a personal remark. But it is nevertheless clear, in general principle, that people may disagree about what remarks are personal, and that Admin_2 is threatening to ban people who have and follow certain ideas about that topic. Again the theme is Admin_2 does not seem to be aware that it's a topic where people have ideas which disagree with his. He doesn't seem to recognize many topics as potential areas for debate and open discussion.

It's unclear what Admin_2 considers offensive. Trying to disallow offensive speech is a particularly well known and egregious way of suppressing free speech. People routinely find the ideas of their debate opponents offensive. So what? If we can't post unpopular, offensive things here, then Open Oxford is a joke.

Admin_2's concept of how to engage with ideas in discussion is another view he's trying to impose on others, without seeming to recognize it's a controversial topic. When Admin_2 demands people "try to engage with the actual ideas", it's a demand they do it in such a way that Admin_2 would agree that's what they've done – he's demanding actions fitting his own ideas about discussions.

To sum up, Admin_2 has many ideas about how to have a discussion. That's fine. Rather than explain them and try to persuade others of why they are wise, Admin_2 takes them for granted as facts of reality, and threatens to remove people from the group if they think differently than he does.

Admin_2 is blind to many opportunities for critical discussion. That wouldn't be a big deal if this was a free speech zone, because then people could point it out. Everyone has flaws. But it becomes a big deal when Admin_2 is an admin with blindspots that lead to ban threats and deleting comments.

A free speech zone – like Open Oxford aspires to be – needs admins that understand the principles of free speech. It needs leadership that defends the expression of unpopular views, instead of joining the angry mob.

I hope people will find this criticism helpful and use it as an opportunity to improve.

[Disclosure: I wrote the "spam" comments and I was the dox victim. Also worth noting: I reported the dox to Facebook which found that it was harassment which violated Facebook rules. Facebook (redundantly) removed it.]

[Note: The 3 admins discussed were anonymized as a personal favor to a friend. Normally I would have included their names.]

[Note: The Open Oxford rule (that contradicts open discussion) not to repost text anywhere else did not exist at the time I had these discussions, it was created later and doesn't apply.]

Update: Open Oxford removed me from the group, no reason given.

Elliot Temple on September 18, 2015

Comments (45)

We've recently had a serious problem in this group caused by a certain member re-posting people's comments elsewhere. This member has now been removed from the group for failing to promise to abide by the rules in the future. Re-posting people's comments violates their privacy and is against the spirit and purpose of this group. Open Oxford exists to promote free discussion of ideas, not as an 'anything goes' space in which abuse and harassment are acceptable. You are perfectly free to disagree with these values but you are not free to try to undermine them through deception, abuse, and dishonesty. Anyone who violates the rule against re-posting attributable comments in the future will be banned, and no one whom we suspect of being likely to do so will be added. 'Attributable' means any comment which an intelligent person could trace to an individual member. All the admins -- [censored names list] -- are in agreement that this is the right policy for the group. Be respectful and treat discussions in this group as you would any ordinary conversation in a free country. This is our final decision on the matter.


Anonymous at 2:55 PM on September 19, 2015 | #2602 | reply | quote

Don't lie

"The Open Oxford rule (that contradicts open discussion) not to repost text anywhere else did not exist at the time I had these discussions, it was created later and doesn't apply."

That's not true. The "no taking quotes" rule has existed almost as long as the group has precisely because we don't want an atmosphere of people feeling like what they say is to a public audience or is wholly on public record or open to brigading etc.


M at 6:47 PM on September 19, 2015 | #2666 | reply | quote

Don't lie

"The Open Oxford rule (that contradicts open discussion) not to repost text anywhere else did not exist at the time I had these discussions, it was created later and doesn't apply."

That's not true. The "no taking quotes" rule has existed almost as long as the group has precisely because we don't want an atmosphere of people feeling like what they say is to a public audience or is wholly on public record or open to brigading etc.


M at 6:48 PM on September 19, 2015 | #2667 | reply | quote

That rule existed where? No one told me, it wasn't anywhere visible.


Elliot at 6:49 PM on September 19, 2015 | #2668 | reply | quote

It was added to the sidebar and I first heard of it after my discussions were done.


Elliot at 6:50 PM on September 19, 2015 | #2669 | reply | quote

Jacob never asked me to promise to abide by the rules. All I got were from unclear messages from someone else that were still under discussion, unresolved, and then I got banned.

No one else was asked to make such a promise as far as I know.

There is no rule requiring promising as far as I know.

When I first when to OO I expected civility and was civil. I got flamed a lot and people intentionally tried to disrupt my discussion and told me it was anything goes at OO. I did my best to find out the rules. The rules turn out to be totally non-objective, so that explains it.

Accusations like "deception", "abuse", and "dishonesty" are nasty with no examples. What did I ever do wrong? Beats me.


Elliot at 6:54 PM on September 19, 2015 | #2670 | reply | quote

I received no warning that if I didn't make a promise (which I find completely ridiculous, I actually object to promises on principle) I would be banned. No one communicated anything like that to me.


Elliot at 6:55 PM on September 19, 2015 | #2671 | reply | quote

From an onlooker

Elliot, I mostly lurk OO so we've never actually had a discussion but I just wanted to offer my insights as an outsider who observed all the threads you were part of.

You were mostly civil initially, and your opponents certainly didn't act very respectfully by the end of it all. However, it has to be said that they were extremely patient initially explaining their arguments and quickly became frustrated when you, instead of providing proper arguments and explaining you positions properly, instructed them to go read books before you would engage them.

This was extremely arrogant of you and you quickly alienated those who were engaging thoughtfully. Eventually it descended into essentially a flame war and you were brought down to their level too. I'm glad you didn't engage in doxing but you said some things that were damaging to individuals that were completely unwarranted.

I am an avid supporter of free speech however, you must understand that this is not the way to engage in discussion or debate. It is important to take responsibility and accept our failures. Here, you failed to present your viewpoint in a way that was respectful or even well reasoned. Instead you undermined your entire argument.

I am not asking you to change your views, in fact I'm sure we would find common ground on many topics. I am asking you to reflect on your actions here, only that you try to take on board the criticisms people vocalised to you. Many of the arguments that were made against you were extremely well thought out and people took time to engage and you either ceased to respond or told them to read a book. If we all listen to one another we may be able to persuade more to our way of thinking, or, heavens forbid(!) our own views may change. Best wishes.


Lurker at 4:15 AM on September 20, 2015 | #2699 | reply | quote

Medal For Lurker

You are right and I completely support you. Elliot must speak politely, softly and be nice to everybody and not participate in flame wars.


John Temple at 4:39 AM on September 20, 2015 | #2700 | reply | quote

> However, it has to be said that they were extremely patient initially explaining their arguments

This part literally never happened.

Quotes? Oh wait... Well, I give up then, I guess OO ruined discussion.

But seriously they never gave arguments for why capitalism is bad, why socialism is necessary, why violence is OK, why to accept involuntary stuff, why Mises is wrong, why Rand is wrong, why Burke is illiberal, etc, etc

> I'm glad you didn't engage in doxing but you said some things that were damaging to individuals that were completely unwarranted.

I have no idea what you're referring to.

> I am asking you to reflect on your actions here, only that you try to take on board the criticisms people vocalised to you.

If you could quote one you thought was reasonable and constructive, that'd be helpful, because I don't know which ones you have in mind.

> Many of the arguments that were made against you were extremely well thought out and people took time to engage and you either ceased to respond or told them to read a book.

Again we just aren't on the same page and you aren't using quotes, so I don't know how this is supposed to work. I literally do not know which text you think is like this.


Elliot at 7:24 AM on September 20, 2015 | #2705 | reply | quote

For example Jim McCue said how Burke was anti-capitalist on India, due to criticism of the East India Company and, as Burke put it, "despotism" (no, not "capitalism"). Jim McCue was then asked how the East India Company is capitalist, or why he thinks it's a representative of capitalism, or something like that, and didn't reply.


Anonymous at 7:26 AM on September 20, 2015 | #2707 | reply | quote

quick response

I can't see the the first thread you contributed to anymore but this is a simple example from your post is PUA creepy? For context, you had already exasperated a few contributors in the other thread so they were now much more hostile to you and your ideas. But even then, you chose to be arrogant and didn't engage:

(in response to is PUA creepy)

Anon 1 "Yes, terrifyingly so. PUAs treat women pretty much as games, preaching that with certain inputs (tricks, "negs", "peacocking", w/e) you will get certain outputs (sex). Never in reading anything a PUA has written have I got the impression they were treating women as people. That's creepy.

ET "Have you considered blaming the many, many, many women who prefer not to be treated as people?"

Anon 1 "Plz define "prefer not to be treated as people""

ET "Prefer to be treated as a bundle of irresponsible, passive static memes. If you don't know what static memes are, read BoI: http://beginningofinfinity.com

The Beginning of Infinity by David Deutsch

beginningofinfinity.com"

Anon 1 "M8 i am not reading a book just to understand the finer details of your misogyny. What are "irresponsible, passive static memes"? I'm sure you can write a decent definition"

ET "(anti-scholar)"

>But seriously they never gave arguments for why capitalism is bad, why socialism is necessary, why violence is OK, why to accept involuntary stuff, why Mises is wrong, why Rand is wrong, why Burke is illiberal, etc, etc

I am not trawling through all the conversations to find the examples you seek but I'm sure there were a few thoughts thrown out there that you just ignored. I know for a fact one of the regular lefties who avidly comments on your posts put down some insightful stuff and you just didn't engage with them at all.

>I have no idea what you're referring to.

The bit when you told a victim of sexual assault they should have stood up for themselves.

>If you could quote one you thought was reasonable and constructive, that'd be helpful, because I don't know which ones you have in mind.

How about this related example:

Anon 2: "@Elliot Temple Anon 1 has been very patient with you, and you have expressed yourself in such a way as to deliberately harm her. There is no way of construing your previous comment which was not aggressive and patronising.

Your mode of communication is defective; you do not seem to be interested in seriously engaging with people, or having a proper debate. If Elliot Temple is your real name, or if your identity is discovered, you are also potentially doing your career lasting harm..."

For your last comment. Go back over the threads because I'm not doing it for you. Read the messages and actually take them in. Don't get up on your high horse and tell these people to read books. These are students from Oxford. In all probability they've read the books and have discussed the ideas in tutes. If they have an opinion it's because they've given it some thought but are also willing to discuss it and change their mind (hence why they're on OO).

My final word:

If you and your friends are on OO simply for preaching your ideas then go elsewhere. we like to discuss, criticise, LISTEN and evaluate. We are respectful, however we are also light-hearted and have well-stocked 4chan folders and sticker collections to troll people with when they try to engage the way you have been. Let's stop all this petty shit, come back to OO if you want and engage properly. If you feel the moderation needs more clarification start a thread about it and tag the mods. We can discuss it and come to some agreement about the rules I'm sure.


Lurker 2 at 6:32 AM on September 21, 2015 | #2771 | reply | quote

i was not trying to play nice in the PUA thread, lol. had already taken their temperature, found out is not a civil group, etc

i am aware that comments like

> (anti-scholar)

are not all serious content only and no-meta focused.

>I have no idea what you're referring to.

for that part, you really can't speak for other people for what they meant. your answer doesn't even make much sense to me cuz i thot the guy meant damaging in the world (like doxing), not like internally-mentally (totally different sort of damage).

it's bad for people to cry "rape" to control discussions, and her mindset on the issue harms her life and is something that's important to challenge.

here's the older conversation: https://www.facebook.com/groups/383422271856937/permalink/419193874946443/

PS I'm pretty damn sure your post breaks the OO group rules, which do not allow quoting these ppl just cuz you say "Anon 2" instead of a real name. ;p

> In all probability they've read the books and have discussed the ideas in tutes.

you seem to have no idea what you're talking about. the books in question are not things people read much of at university.

> If you feel the moderation needs more clarification start a thread about it and tag the mods.

are you paying attention at all? i'm banned. i wasn't told any reason for the ban and had already stopped posting there.

anyway your whole post is irrelevant to the thing i actually asked about, which is wtf good criticism of ideas from OO?


Anonymous at 7:46 AM on September 21, 2015 | #2773 | reply | quote

> Their views are not, in any serious respect, views at all.

That's Jim McCue, explaining at OO why all people who agree with FI and Oist ideas should be banned.

It's a nice example of what Elliot talks about in the original blog post, about how people try to reinterpret speech as something else.


Anonymous at 10:18 AM on September 21, 2015 | #2779 | reply | quote

James Carter wrote on OO:

> The line between obsessive posting and spam is not all that clear

note how this connects to point (1) in the blog post. it's reinterpretation of all pro-Objectivist and pro-FI posts as "spam" not discussion.

> I do get a running sense of these people not discussing or debating in good faith, which isn't something anyone else on the forum really seems to have a problem with.

The interpretation of speech as bad faith speech is another great example of how people try to circumvent and attack free discussion, and delegitimize ideas and speech rather than address the substance.


Anonymous at 10:56 AM on September 21, 2015 | #2780 | reply | quote

Maybe if OO was a free speech zone, people wouldn't reply to stuff elsewhere.


Anonymous at 10:58 AM on September 21, 2015 | #2781 | reply | quote

I don't think asking people not to quote public statements is a reasonable rule. It's unenforceable except by the willing compliance of its victims. Why should they go along with it?

If you want a private group, make a private group. If you want a contradiction, it's not my job to help you try to make that work in reality.


Anonymous at 11:00 AM on September 21, 2015 | #2782 | reply | quote

> (Also there was contention over whether to delete actual spam.)

^ James Carter admitting that lots of what he wants to interpret as "spam" is not "actual spam".


Anonymous at 11:21 AM on September 21, 2015 | #2783 | reply | quote

If they don't want to be quoted by name, why don't they post anonymously?

Wanting to post in public under your real name, but not have your words tied to your real name, is a contradiction.

They want their name to be tied to their words sometimes, when they want it, and not other times, when they don't. It's a kind of arbitrary wishing that reality would obey their whims.

They want their posts to be public somewhat, sometimes, for some purposes. But private other times. More contradictions.


Anonymous at 11:24 AM on September 21, 2015 | #2784 | reply | quote

"I want thousands of people to see my post, and I want it exposed to all that discussion, diversity of thought, etc. But also, guys, could you all only do things with it that I approve of? Such as help me hide it from various other people."


Anonymous at 12:57 PM on September 21, 2015 | #2786 | reply | quote

how are you still so obsessed with this

Elliot, why are you so obsessed with this? Holy shit get over the fact you got booted from a forum for being an absolute prick to the other members.

If you can't understand why you were booted then grow the fuck up and learn some empathy. Everyone else can see the way you spoke was arrogant and disrespectful and in some cases extremely hurtful as mentioned by the poster above. Step inside their shoes for a day and see it from their side.

You alienated your audience yet you're so up your own arse that you can't see this and insist they're the ones in the wrong? That their conception of free speech is the problem? Learn how to communicate properly. Hell, try applying to oxbridge then you might actually get a decent education.


clancularius at 8:31 AM on September 22, 2015 | #2806 | reply | quote

James Carter on OO writes:

>I'm starting to think most of your weird cult's criticisms of "unschoolers" (that term is hilarious, by the way) is massive projection of your own attitudes to new ideas.

they think certain words are thought crimes now.


Anonymous at 8:32 AM on September 23, 2015 | #2881 | reply | quote

what do you mean?


Anonymous at 8:46 AM on September 23, 2015 | #2882 | reply | quote

they think calling people unschoolers is a thought crime and enforce by ridiculing and ostracizing those who use it


Anonymous at 8:53 AM on September 23, 2015 | #2883 | reply | quote

enforce it*


Anonymous at 8:53 AM on September 23, 2015 | #2884 | reply | quote

how do you get that? I interpreted him saying that because a group of people is biased against new ideas in general, this manifests as criticism of unschoolers (which he maybe thinks is a new idea).

he thinks the term "unschooler" is funny or something, but I still don't see where this is about thoughtcrime.


Anonymous at 9:41 AM on September 23, 2015 | #2885 | reply | quote

Jacob Williams:

>Can we please have a discussion about the cross-posting of comments made here that is taking place on a certain blog. As it's being done anonymously it's not possible to ban the individuals responsible and I know that lots of people feel very uncomfortable with it and many have left the group as a result. What do people think we should about it?

For a group that claims to be open, they seem to be really unclear on what they're talking about.


Anonymous at 12:44 PM on September 23, 2015 | #2888 | reply | quote

Jacob really can be such a faggot sometimes. Sorry about this.


Lulie Tanett at 1:11 PM on September 23, 2015 | #2892 | reply | quote

Seriously STOP POSTING. This blog is COMPROMISED.


Elliot Temple at 3:02 PM on September 23, 2015 | #2941 | reply | quote

ooh I'm really excited to find out that anyone can comment on this


Finn Lees at 5:23 PM on September 23, 2015 | #3056 | reply | quote

Was that you posting the Communist Manifesto Finn?


Anonymous at 5:25 PM on September 23, 2015 | #3057 | reply | quote

Kanye, can I talk to you for a minute?

Me and the other faculty members was wonderin could you do a lil som...

Somethin beautiful

Somethin that the kids is gon love when they hear it

Thas gon make them start jumpin up and down and sharin candy an' stuff

Think you could probably do somethin for the kids for graduation to sing?


Intro at 5:25 PM on September 23, 2015 | #3058 | reply | quote

[Chorus]

[Kanye West:]

And all my people thats drug dealin jus to get by stack ya money till it gets sky high

We wasnt supposed to make it past 25 but the jokes on you we still alive

Throw your hands up in the sky and say we don't care what people say

[Verse One:]

If this is your first time hearing this

You are about to experience something cold man

We never had nothing handed took nothing for granted

Took nothing from no man, man i'm my own man

But as a shorty i looked up to the dopeman

Only adult man i knew that wasnt a broke man

Flickin starter coats man, Man you ount no man

We don't care what people say

This is for my niggas outside all winter

Cuz this summer they aint finna to say next summer im finna

Sittin in the hood like community colleges

This dope money here is Lil Treys scholarship

Cause aint no to tuition for havin no ambition

And aint no loans for sittin your ass at home

So we forced to sell crack rap and get a job

You gotta do something man your ass is grown

[Chorus]

[Kanye West:]

Drug dealin jus to get by stack ya money till it gets sky high

Kids Sing Kids Sing

[Kanye and Kids:]

We wasnt supposed to make it past 25 but the jokes on you we still alive

Throw your hands up in the sky and say we don't care what people say

[Verse Two:]

The second verse is for my dogs working 9 to 5

That still hustle cause a nigga can't shine off $6.55

And everybody selling make-up, Jacobs

And bootleg tapes just to get they cake up

We put shit on layaway then come back

We claim other people kids on our income tax

We take that money cop work than push packs to get paid

And we don't care what people say

Momma say she wanna move south

Scratchin lottery tickets Eyes on a new house

Around the same time Doe ran up in dudes house

Couldnt get a job

So since he couldnt get work he figured hed take work

The drug game bolemic its hard to get weight

So niggas money is homo its hard to get straight

So we gon keep baking to the day we get cake.

And we dont care what people say

My Niggas

[Chorus]

[Kanye West and Kids:]

Drug dealin jus to get by stack ya money till it gets sky high

Kids Sing Kids Sing

We wasnt supposed to make it past 25 but the jokes on you we still alive

Throw your hands up in the sky and say we don't care what people say

[Verse Three:]

You know the kids gonna act a fool

When you stop the programs for after school

And they DCFS them some of them dislecsic

They favorite 50 Cent song's 12 Questions

We scream, rock, blows, weed park

so now we smart

We aint retards the way teachers thought

Hold up hold fast we make mo'cash

Now tell my momma i belong in the slow class

It's bad enough we on welfare

You trying to put me on the school bus with the space for the wheel chair

Im trying to get the car with the chromy wheels here

You tryin to cut our lights like we dont live here

Look at whats handed us our fatheres abandoned us

When we get the hammers gone and call the ambulance

Sometimes i feel no one in this world understands us

But we dont care what people say

My Niggas

[Chorus]

[Kanye West and Kids:]

drug dealin jus to get by stack ya money till it gets sky high

Kids Sing Kids Sing

We wasnt supposed to make it past 25 but the jokes on you we still alive

Throw your hands up in the sky and say we don't care what people say


We Don't Care at 5:26 PM on September 23, 2015 | #3059 | reply | quote

What in the fuck was that Kanye

I told you to do some shit for the kids

You can give me your muthafucking graduation ticket right now

You will not walk across that stage, you won’t slide across that stage

A muthafucka can’t pull you across that stage Kanye

Who told you see, I told you to do something up lifting

I’m trynna get you out here with these white people and this how you gone do me

You know what us a nigga

And I don’t mean that in no nice way

Had little kids sing about the shit, the jokes on you

You throw your mutha hands in the air, and wave good-bye to everybody

Cause you getting the fuck out of this campus

Mutha what you gone do now

I'm no longer confused but don't tell anybody.

I'm about to break the rules but don't tell anybody.

I got something better than school but don't tell anybody.

My momma would kill me but don't anybody.

she wants me to get a good ass job just like everybody.

She ain'twalked in my shoes i'm just not everybody.


Graduation Day at 5:26 PM on September 23, 2015 | #3060 | reply | quote

[Chorus - 4x]

Oh when it all, it all falls down

I'm telling you ohh, it all falls down

[Verse - Kanye West]

Man I promise, she's so self conscious

She has no idea what she's doing in college

That major that she majored in don't make no money

But she won't drop out, her parents will look at her funny

Now, tell me that ain't insecurrre

The concept of school seems so securrre

Sophmore three yearrrs aint picked a careerrr

She like fuck it, I'll just stay down herre and do hair

Cause that's enough money to buy her a few pairs of new Airs

Cause her baby daddy don't really care

She's so precious with the peer pressure

Couldn't afford a car so she named her daughter Alexus (a Lexus)

She had hair so long that it looked like weave

Then she cut it all off now she look like Eve

And she be dealing with some issues that you can't believe

Single black female addicted to retail and well

[Chorus - repeat 2x (w/ Kanye ad-libs)]

[Verse - Kanye West]

Man I promise, I'm so self conscious

That's why you always see me with at least one of my watches

Rollies and Pasha's done drove me crazy

I can't even pronounce nothing, pass that versace!

Then I spent 400 bucks on this

Just to be like nigga you ain't up on this!

And I can't even go to the grocery store

Without some ones thats clean and a shirt with a team

It seems we living the american dream

But the people highest up got the lowest self esteem

The prettiest people do the ugliest things

For the road to riches and diamond rings

We shine because they hate us, floss cause they degrade us

We trying to buy back our 40 acres

And for that paper, look how low we a'stoop

Even if you in a Benz, you still a nigga in a coop/coupe

[Chorus - repeat 2x (w/ Kanye ad-libs)]

[Verse - Kanye West]

I say fuck the police, thats how I treat em

We buy our way out of jail, but we can't buy freedom

We'll buy a lot of clothes when we don't really need em

Things we buy to cover up what's inside

Cause they make us hate ourself and love they wealth

That's why shortys hollering "where the ballas' at?"

Drug dealer buy Jordans, crackhead buy crack

And a white man get paid off of all of that

But I ain't even gon act holier than thou

Cause fuck it, I went to Jacob with 25 thou

Before I had a house and I'd do it again

Cause I wanna be on 106 and Park pushing a Benz

I wanna act ballerific like it's all terrific

I got a couple past due bills, I won't get specific

I got a problem with spending before I get it

We all self conscious I'm just the first to admit it

[Chorus - to fade (w/ Kanye ad-libs)]


All Falls Down at 5:27 PM on September 23, 2015 | #3061 | reply | quote

Some glad morning when this life is over,

I'll fly away.

To a home on God's celestial shore,

I'll fly away.

I'll fly away, O Glory,

I'll fly away.

When I die, Hallelujah, bye and bye,

I'll fly away.

When the shadows of this life have flown,

I'll fly away.

Like a bird thrown, driven by the storm,

I'll fly away.

I'll fly away, O Glory,

I'll fly away.

When I die, Hallelujah, bye and bye,

I'll fly away.

Just a few more weary days and then,

I'll fly away.

To a land where joy shall never end,

I'll fly away.

I'll fly away, O Glory,

I'll fly away.

When I die, Hallelujah, bye and bye,

I'll fly away.


I'll Fly Away at 5:28 PM on September 23, 2015 | #3062 | reply | quote

[Hook: Kanye West]

I've been workin' this graveshift and I ain't made shit

I wish I could buy me a spaceship and fly past the sky

I've been workin' this graveshift and I ain't made shit

I wish I could buy me a spaceship and fly past the sky

[Verse 1: Kanye West]

Man, man, man

If my manager insults me again I will be assaulting him

After I fuck the manager up then I'm gonna shorten the register up

Let's go back, back to the Gap

Look at my check, wasn't no scratch

So if I stole, wasn't my fault

Yeah I stole, never got caught

They take me to the back and pat me

Askin' me about some khakis

But let some black people walk in

I bet they show off their token blackie

Oh now they love Kanye, let's put him all in the front of the store

Saw him on break next to the 'No Smoking' sign with a blunt and a Mall'

Takin' my hits, writin' my hits

Writin' my rhymes, playin' my mind

This fuckin' job can't help him

So I quit, y'all welcome

Y'all don't know my struggle

Y'all can't match my hustle

You can't catch my hustle

You can't fathom my love dude

Lock yourself in a room doin' five beats a day for three summers

That's a different world like Kree Summers

I deserve to do these numbers

The kid that made that deserves that Maybach

So many records in my basement

I'm just waitin' on my spaceship, blaow

[Hook: Kanye West]

I've been workin' this graveshift and I ain't made shit

I wish I could buy me a spaceship and fly past the sky

I've been workin' this graveshift and I ain't made shit

I wish I could buy me a spaceship and fly past the sky

[Verse 2: GLC]

Man, I'm talkin' way past the sky

Let's go, yeah

And I didn't even try to work a job

Represent the mob

At the same time thirsty on the grind

Chi state of mind

Lost my momma, lost my mind

+My life, my love+ that's not mine

Why you ain't signed?

Wasn't my time

Leave me alone, work for y'all

Half of it's yours, half of it's mine

Only one to ball

Never one to fall

Gotta get mine

Gotta take mine

Got a tech nine

Reach my prime

Gotta make these haters respect mine

In the mall 'til 12 when my schedule said nine

Puttin' them pants on shelves

Waitin' paitently I ask myself

Where I wanna go, where I wanna be

Life is much more than runnin' in the streets

Holla at 'ye, hit me with the beat

Put me on my feet

Sound so sweet

Yes I'm the same ol' G, same goatee

Stayin' low key, nope

Holler at God "Man why'd you had to take my folks?"

Hope to see Freddy G., Yusef G

Love my G, Rolly G

Police watch me smoke my weed, count my G's

Got a lot of people countin' on me

And I'm just tryin' to find my peace

Should of finished school like my niece

Then I wouldn't finally wouldn't use my piece, blaow

Aw man, all this pressure

[Hook: Kanye West]

I've been workin' this graveshift and I ain't made shit

I wish I could buy me a spaceship and fly past the sky

I've been workin' this graveshift and I ain't made shit

I wish I could buy me a spaceship and fly past the sky

[Verse 3: Consequence]

I remember havin' to take the dollar cab

Comin' home real late at night

Standin' on my feet all damn day

Tryin' to make this thing right

And havin' one of my co-workers say "Yo you look just like

This kid I seen in the old Busta Rhymes video the other night"

Well easy come, easy go

How that sayin' goes

No more broad service, cars, and them TV shows

I all had that snatched from me

And all the faculties all turn their back on me

And didn't wanna hear a rap from me

So naturally actually had to face things factually

Had to be a catastrophe with the fridgest starin' back at me

Cuz nothing's there, nothing's fair

I don't wanna ever go back there

So I won't be takin' no days off 'til my spaceship takes off

[Hook: Kanye West]

I've been workin' this graveshift and I ain't made shit

I wish I could buy me a spaceship and fly past the sky

I've been workin' this graveshift and I ain't made shit

I wish I could buy me a spaceship and fly past the sky

[Outro: GLC]

I wanna fly, I wanna fly

I said I want my chariot to pick me up

And take me brother for a ride


Spaceship at 5:29 PM on September 23, 2015 | #3063 | reply | quote

Yo, we at war

We at war with terrorism, racism, and most of all we at war with ourselves

(Jesus walks)

God show me the way because the Devil trying to break me down

(Jesus walks with me) with me, with me, with me [fades]

You know what the Midwest is?

Young & Restless

Where restless (niggas) might snatch your necklace

And next these (niggas) might jack your Lexus

Somebody tell these (niggas) who Kanye West is

I walk through the valley of the shadow of death is

Top floor the view alone will leave you breathless Uhhhh!

Try to catch it Uhhhh! It's kinda hard

Getting choked by the detectives yeah yeah now check the method

They be asking us questions, harass and arrest us

Saying, "We eat pieces of shit like you for breakfast."

Huh? Y'all eat pieces of shit? What's the basis?

We ain't going nowhere but got suits and cases

A trunk full of coke rental car from Avis

My mamma used to say only Jesus can save us

Well mamma I know I act a fool

But I'll be gone 'til November I got packs to move I Hope

[Hook 2x]

(Jesus walks)

God show me the way because the Devil trying to break me down

(Jesus walks with me)

The only thing that that I pray is that my feet don't fail me now

(Jesus walks)

And I don't think there is nothing I can do now to right my wrongs

(Jesus walks with me)

I want to talk to God but I'm afraid because we ain't spoke in so long

To the hustlers, killers, murderers, drug dealers even the strippers

(Jesus walks with them)

To the victims of Welfare for we living in hell here hell yeah

(Jesus walks with them)

Now hear ye hear ye want to see Thee more clearly

I know he hear me when my feet get weary

Cause we're the almost nearly extinct

We rappers are role models we rap we don't think

I ain't here to argue about his facial features

Or here to convert atheists into believers

I'm just trying to say the way school need teachers

The way Kathie Lee needed Regis that's the way I need Jesus

So here go my single dog radio needs this

They say you can rap about anything except for Jesus

That means guns, sex, lies, video tapes

But if I talk about God my record won't get played Huh?

Well if this take away from my spins

Which will probably take away from my ends

Then I hope this take away from my sins

And bring the day that I'm dreaming about

Next time I'm in the club everybody screaming out

(Jesus walks)

God show me the way because the devil trying to break me down

(Jesus walks)

The only thing that that I pray is that my feet don't fail me now

(Jesus walks)

And I don't thing there's nothing I can do now to right my wrongs

(Jesus walks with me... fades)

I want to talk to God but I'm afraid because we ain't spoke in so long


Jesus Walks at 5:29 PM on September 23, 2015 | #3064 | reply | quote

[Intro:]

Yeah Grandmama

Told you I won't let you down

Told you I won't let this rap game change me, right?

[Chorus:]

When it comes to being true, at least true to me

One thing I found,one thing I found

Oh no you'll neva let me down,

Get up I get(down)

Get up I get(down)

Get up I get(down)

Get up I get(down)

Get up I get(down)

Get up I get(down)

[Jay-Z:]

Yo, yo first I snatched the street then I snatched the charts,

First had they ear now I hav they're heart,

Rappers came and went,

I've been hear from the start,

Seen them put it together

Watch them take it apart,

See the Rovers roll up wit ribbons

I've seen them re-poed, re-sold and re-driven

So when I reload, he holds #1 position

When u hot I'm hot

And when your feet cold, mines is sizzelin

It's plain to see

Nigga's can't f*** wit me

Cuz ima be that nigga fo life

This is not an image

This is God given

This is hard liven

Mixed wit crystal sipping

It's the most consistent

Hov

Give you the most hits you can fit inside a whole disc and

Nigga I'm home on these charts, y'all niggaz visitin

It's Hov tradition, Jeff Gordan of rap

I'm back to claim pole position, holla at ya boy

[Chorus]

[Kanye West:]

I get down for my grandfather who took my momma

Made her sit that seat where white folks ain't wanna us to eat

At the tender age of 6 she was arrested for the sit in

With that in my blood I was born to be different

Now niggas can't make it to ballots to choose leadership

But we can make it to Jacob and to the dealership

That's why I hear new music

And I just don't be feeling it

Racism still alive they just be concealing it

But I know they don't want me in the damn club

They even made me show I.D to get inside of Sam's club

I did dirt and went to church to get my hands scrubbed

Swear I've been baptised at least 3 or 4 times

But in the land where nigga's praise

Yukons and getting paid

It gon' take a lot more than coupons to get us saved

Like it take a lot more than do-rags to get your waves

Noting sadder than that day my girl father past away

So I promised to Mr Rany I'm gonna marry your daughter

And u know I gotta thank u for they way that she was brought up

And I know that u were smiling when u see that car I bought her

And u sent tears from heaven when u seen my car get balled up

But I can't complaint what the accident did to my Left Eye

Cuz look what a accident did to Left Eye

First Aaliyah and now romeo must die

I know a got angels watching me from the other side

[Chorus x2]

[J.Ivy:]

We are all here for a reason on a particular path

You don't need a curriculum to know that you are part of the math

Cats think I'm delirious, but I'm so damn serious

That's why I expose my soul to the globe, the world

I'm trying to make it better for these little boys and girls

I'm not just another individual, my spirit is a part of this

That's why I get spiritual, but I get my hymns from Him

So it's not me, it's He that's lyrical

I'm not a miracle, I'm a heaven-sent instrument

My rhythmatic regimen navigates melodic notes for your soul and your mental

That's why I'm instrumental

Vibrations is what I'm into

Yeah, I need my loot by rent day

But that is not what gives me the heart of Kunte Kinte

I'm tryina give us "us free" like Cinque

I can't stop, that's why I'm hot

Determination, dedication, motivation

I'm talking to you, my many inspirations

When I say I can't, let you or self down

If I were of the highest cliff, on the highest riff

And you slipped off the side and clinched on to your life in my grip

I would never, ever let you down

And when these words are found

Let it been known that God's penmanship has been signed with a language called love

That's why my breath is felt by the deaf

And why my words are heard and confined to the ears of the blind

I, too, dream in color and in rhyme

So I guess I'm one of a kind in a full house

Cuz whenever I open my heart, my soul, or my mouth

A touch of God reigns out

[Chorus]

[Jay-Z (Kanye West)]

Who else you know been hot this long,

(Oh Ya, you know we ain't finished)

Started from nothing but he got this strong,

(The ROC is in the building)

Built the ROC from a pebble, pedalled rock before I met you,

Pedalled bikes, got my nephews pedal bikes because they special,

Let you tell that man I'm falling,

Well somebody must've caught him,

Cause every fourth quarter, I like to Mike Jordan 'em,

Number one albums, what I got like four of dem,

More of dem on the way,

The Eight Wonder on the way,

Clear the way, I'm here to stay,

Y'all can save the chitter chat, this and that, this and Jay,

Dissin' Jay 'ill get you mased,

When I start spitting them lyrics, niggas get very religious,

Six Hail Maries, please Father forgive us,

Young, the Archbishop, the Pope John Paul of y'all niggas,

The way y'all all follow Jigga,

Hov's a living legend and I tell you why,

Everybody wanna be Hov and Hov still alive


Never Let Me Down at 5:30 PM on September 23, 2015 | #3065 | reply | quote

[Kanye West]

I'm trying to catch the beat, uh

I'm trying to catch the beat

I'm trying to catch the beat, uh uh, uh

I'm trying to catch the beat

[Chorus (Kanye West):]

Now, throw your motherfucking hands

GET 'EM HIGH

All the girls pass the weed to your motherfucking man

GET 'EM HIGH

Now I ain't never tell you to put down your hands

KEEP 'EM HIGH

And if your losing your high then* smoke again

KEEP 'EM HIGH

[Verse 1: Kanye West]

Now, my flow

Is in the pocket like wallets, I got the bounce like hydraulics

I can't call it, I got the swerve like alcoholics

My freshman year I was going through hella problems

'til I built up the nerve to drop my ass up outta college

My teacher said I'm a loser, I told her why don't you kill me

I give a fuck if you fail me, I'm gonna follow my heart,

And if you follow the charts, or the plaques or the stacks

You ain't gotta guess who's back,

You see I'm so Chi that you thought it was bashful

But this bastard's flow will bash a skull

And I will cut your girl like Pastor Troy

And I don't usually smoke but pass the 'dro

And I won't give you that money that you asking for

Why you think me and Dame cool? We're assholes!

That's why we hear your music in fast forward

'Cause we don't wanna hear that weak shit no more

[Chorus (Kanye West)]

[Verse 2: Kanye West]

Now who the hell is this?

E-mailing me at 11:26, telling me that she 36-26, plus double D

You know how girls on black planet be when they get bubbly

At NYU but she hail from Kansas, right now she just lampin, chilling on campus

Sent me a picture with her feeling on Candice

Who said her favorite rapper was the late great Francis

W-H-I-T, it's getting late mami, your screen saver say tweet

So you got to call me, and bring a friend for my friend

His name Kweli

(You mean Talib, lyrics stick to your rib)

I mean

(That's my favorite CD that I play in my crib)

I mean

(You don't really know him, why is you lying)

You Kwe, she don't believe me, please pick up the line

She's gonna think that I'm lying, just spit a couple of lines

Then maybe I'll be able to give her dick all the time, and get her high

[Verse 3: Talib Kweli]

Yeah, I can't believe this nigga use my name for picking up dimes

But never mind, I need some tracks you trying to pull tracks out

And my rhymes is finna blow you trying to blow backs out

Well OK, you twisted my arm, I'll assist with the charm, aiyyo

Ain't you meet that chick at that conference with your mom?

She's the bomb, but she got the boujee behavior

Always got something to say like an OK player hater

Anyway, I don't usually fuck with the Internet

Or chicks on Birth Control stuck to they arm like Nicorette

You really fucking that much, you trying to get off cigarettes

And she think it's fly, she ain't met a real nigga yet

I apologize if I come off a little inconsiderate

I got the bubble kush and a sister could get a hit of it

[Verse 4: Common]

Get 'em high like noon, or the moon or room filled with smoke

A high filled with dope

You all assumed I was doomed, out of tune, but I still feel the notes

The real nigga quotes

Real rappers is hard to find like a remote control,

Rap is not a used to but still got love,

That's why I abuse you who are not thugs

Rock clubs, it's like Tiger Woods in the hood, to have my own reality show

Called Soul Survivor, I stole all liver, niggas in you

You's a bitch I got ones that are thicker than you

How could I ever let your words affect me, they say Hip-Hop is dead

I'm here to resurrect me, mosh is too sexy to even make songs like these

That's why the raw don't know your name, like Alicia Keys

Too many featured MCs, and producers is popular

Twelve thousand spins, nobody got to copping her

Album, how come, you the hot garbage of

The year, It's clear your image is snooped up

Label got you souped up, telling you you're sick

Man you a dick with a loose nut

Video hard to watch like Medusa

Even your club record need a booster

Chimped up, with a pimp cup, illiterate nigga

Read the infa, red across your head Imma bred King like Simba

Boulder then Denver, I ain't a Madd Rapper just a MC with a temper

You dancing for money like honey, I did this my way

So when the industry crash, I survive like Kanye

Spitting through wires and fires, MCs retiring

Got your hands up, get them motherfuckers higher then

[Chorus (Kanye West)]


Get Em High at 5:31 PM on September 23, 2015 | #3066 | reply | quote

[Girl #1]

Ay Wussup gurl

[Girl #2]

Heyy gurl

[Girl #3]

Hey How u doin'?

[Girl #1]

Ay you know i finally got my shit together been watchin that workout plan gurl!!

[Girl #2]

Well you lookin' all good and stuff you got you a-

[Girl #1]

Gurl i know it's that workout

[Girl #2]

Got you a six pack shakuar and stuff

[Girl #1]

Don't say it

[Girl #3]

my nigga my nigga i'm tired of puttin 1-8-7 in my niggas pager that shit aint workin' no more

[Girl #1]

Gurl you know i'ma video hofesional now (Gurl) since i copped this new workout plan my shit

is right rollin' in lexus, acruasss everything gurll

[Girl #3]

Gurl u need to let me know where i can cop that how much is it?

[Girl #1]

Gurl you know you ain't gotta pay nuttin' around me i'm tha bootleg queeen i'll give it to

you for free.99

[Both girl #2, and #3]

FREE.99!!

[Girl #3]

That's my dawg you always lookin out for us

[Girl #2]

My nigga now i can throw away my bus pass and shit oh my God

[Girl #3]

Oh shit


Workout Plan at 5:32 PM on September 23, 2015 | #3067 | reply | quote

[Intro]

You just popped in the Kanye West

Get right for the summer workout tape

And ladies if you follow these instructions exactly

You might bear to pull you a rapper, a NBA player

Man, at least a dude wit' a car

So first of all we gon' work on the stomach

Nobody wants a little tight ass!

[Verse 1]

1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and get them sit ups right and

Tuck your tummy tight and do your crunches like this

Give head, stop breathe, get up, check your weave

Don't drop the blunt and disrespect the weed

Pick up your son and don't disrespect your seed

It's a party tonight and ooh she's so excited

Tell me who's invited: you, your friends and my dick

What's scary to me is Henny makes girls look like Halle Berry to me

So excuse me miss, I forgot your name

Thank you, God bless you, good night I came..

I came...

I came..

[Chorus:]

It's been a week without me

And she feels weak without me

She wanna talk it out but

Ain't nothin to talk about less

She talks about freakin out so

Maybe we can work it out

Work it out [4x]

Maybe we could work it out

[Verse 2]

Oh girl your silhouette make me wanna light a cigarette

My name Kanye from the Jigga set Twista said get it wet

Ooh, girl your breath is HARSH

Cover your mouth up like you got SARS

Off them tracks yea I bought them cars

Still killa a nigga on 16 bars

We ain't sweatin' to the oldies we jukin to a cold beat

Maybe one day girl we can bone

So you can brag to all your homies now

But I still mess with a big girl if you ain't fit girl I'll hit girl

1 and you brought 2 friends OK 3 more now hop in the Benz

4 door do you know the difference between a 5, 6, 7, 8

All the mocha lattes you gotta do Pilates

You gotta pop this tape in before you start back dating

Hustlers, gangstas, all us, ballas

[Chorus]

[Interlude: Ladies speaking w/ Kanye in the background]

[Jill] Hi, may name is Jill, I just want to say thanks to

Kanye's workout plan. I was able to pull a NBA player

And like now I shop every day on Rodeo drive

I just want to say, thank you Kanye! woooo! woooo! woooo!

[Lasandra] My name is Lasandra, and I just want to say

that ever since listenin' to Kanye's workout tape

I was able to get my phone bill paid, I got sounds and 13's

put up in my Cavalier and I was able to get a free trip to Cancun

And what's most importantly is that I ain't gotta fuck Ray Ray's

broke ass no mo'

(Work it mo' juge it mo' pump it mo, Chi-town mo' let's go mo')

[Alamae] My name is Alamae from Mobille, Alabama

and I just want to say since listenin' to Kanye's workout tape

I been able to date outside the family, I got a double wide

And I rode the plane, rode the plane, rode the plane

[Girl] Thanks to Kanye's workout plan

I'm the envy of all my friends

See I pulled me a baller man (yeah)

And I don't gotta work at the mall again

[Beat changes]

(Lemme break ya wit' a piece of)

My favorite work out plan (oh! oh! oh!)

I wanna see you work out (yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah)

(It's that old Michael Jackson shit)

That's right put in work, move your ass, go wizzerk

Eat your salad, no dessert

Get that man you deserve

It's Kanye's workout plan

I said it's Kanye's workout plan (Ladies and gentlemen)

It's Kanye's workout plan (Allow myself to introduce myself)

His woooorrrrkkoouut plan (This time around I want y'all to clap like this)

That's right, put in work

Move your ass, go wizzerk

Eat your salad, no dessert

Get that man you deserve (Stop!)

It's Kanye's workout plan (Ok bring)

I said it's Kanye's workout plan (I know y'all ain't tired)

It's Kanye's workout plan (But I hope not, 'cuz on this one I need ya)

His woooorrrrkkoouut plan (To give me a soul clap ok? Double time)

That's right, put in work (Woo!)

Move your ass, go wizzerk (Ow!

Eat your salad, no dessert (Ugh!)

Get that man you deserve

That's right, put in work (Put in work)

Move your ass, go wizzerk (Go wizzerk)

Eat your salad, no dessert (No dessert)

Get that man you deserve (You hear, ugh)

That's right, put in work (That's right put in work)

Move your ass, go wizzerk (Go wizzerk)

Eat your salad, no dessert (Eat your salad, no dessert)

Get that man you deserve (Woo!)

(Okay, okay, okay, that's, that'd be good) [Applause and cheering]

(I appreciate your time)

I want to see you work out for me

Woah, yeah


The New Workout Plan at 5:33 PM on September 23, 2015 | #3068 | reply | quote

[Luther Vandross]

Are you gonna be

Say that you're gonna be

[Jamie Foxx]

Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh...

[Jamie Foxx - Chorus]

She said she wants some Marvin Gaye, some Luther Vandross, a little Anita, will definitely set this party off right

(Are u gonna be, are u gonna be, are u gonna be, are you gonna be are you gonna be, well well well well well)

She said she want some Ready for the World, some New Edition, some Minnie Ripperton, and definitely set this party off right

(Are u gonna be, are u gonna be, are u gonna be, are you gonna be are you gonna be, well well well well well)

[Kanye West]

I told her to drive over in your new whip

Bring some friends you cool with

Imma bring da cool whip

Then I want you to strip

See you is my new chick

So we get our grind on

She be grabbin, callin me Biggie like Shine home

Man I swear she fine homes

Why she always lying though

Tellin me them diamonds when she know they rhinestones

She got a light skinned friend look like Michael Jackson

Got a dark skinned friend look like Michael Jackson

I play 'Ready for the World' - she was ready for some action

My dawg said you aint no freak, so you got to prove my man wrong

I'm a play this Vandross

You gon' take your pants off

Imma play this Gladys Knight

Me and you gon' get right

[Chorus X2]

[Twista]

Got you lookin at the gliss at my hands and wrists

While i'm layin back smokin on my canibus

When it come to rockin the rythm like Marvin and Luther

I can tell you aint no messin with Kan-man and Twist

From the Chi and I be

Sippin Hennessy

Play some R&B

Tryina smoke a B

Lookin properly

Feelin on a G?

And always (Well Well Well Well Well)

Come with me and sip on some Evelyn Champagne

You aint know Twista can work it like the Whispers

Hit the stop light, get into some Isaac

The rims still moving so I'm bumping a little spinners

While I'm

Smokin on a B

Dippin through the streets

Bumpin R&B

And I got to leave

something to the 23's?

And I do it (well well well well well)

When my earth and the wind smoke a fire

Let me when get your sheets wet listening to Keith Sweat

Put you in a daze for maze

Fullfilling our every temptation slow jamming having deep sex

You ready for the world girl

Come on over make me touch you all over your body baby don't say no to me

An every moment you controllin' me I'm lovin the way you be holding me when I be listening to Jodeci

And when I come over and bend your ass

You be bumpin Teddy Pendergrass

I'da hit it from the back to the melody to roll it slow

Now I gotta go up in it fast, but imma finish last

No matter how much of a thug you see

I still spit it like it's R&B, so to the club with me

And with some Luther come on and hope you finna and stilla be in love with me

[chorus X2]

[Twista]

Baby drop another slow jam

And all us lovers need hold hands

And if you aint got no man hop up in my Brougham

I keep it pimpin like an old man

You gots to roll with the plan

Cuz after that then I

Take it to the dome

Then I got to bone

Stay up in the zone

Got to get you home

Gotta run up on

And I do it (well well well well well)

Baby drop another slow jam

And all us lovers need hold hands

And if you aint got no man hop up on my brohem

I keep it pimpin like an old man

You gots to roll with the plan

Cuz after that then I

Take you to my home

And we could get it on

Disconnect the phone

Just to get you goin'

Tryina make you moan

And I do it (well well well well well)


Slow Jamz at 5:33 PM on September 23, 2015 | #3069 | reply | quote

[Hook: Ludacris]

Yeah, breathe in, breathe out

If ya iced up, pull ya sleeves out

Push a big truck, pull ya keys out

Girls go wild and pull ya deez out

Breathe in, breathe out

Let them hoes fight, pull her weave out

If a nigga act up, pull a Desert E's out

When I pull the piece out niggas like "Peace out!"

[Verse 1: Kanye West]

Golly, more of that bullshit ice rap

I got to 'pologize to Mos and Kweli (probably)

But is it cool to rap about gold

If I told the world I copped it from Ghana and Mali? (Mali!)

First nigga with a Benz and a backpack

Ice chain, Cardi lens, and a knapsack

Always said if I rapped I'd say somethin' significant

But now I'm rappin' 'bout money, hoes, and rims again

And it's still about the Benjamins

Big faced hundreds and whatever other synonyms

Strippers named Cinnamon

More chips than Pentium

What'cha gon' buy next? Whatever new trend it is

I'm tryin' to spend my stacks

And I'm so broke I look back like "Damn, was I on crack?"

I mean twelve platinum chains, was I on that?

What the hell was wrong with me dog?

Sing along with my y'all

[Hook: Ludacris]

Yeah, breathe in, breathe out

If ya iced up, pull ya sleeves out

Push a big truck, pull ya keys out

Girls go wild and pull ya deez out

Breathe in, breathe out

Let them hoes fight, pull her weave out

If a nigga act up, pull a Desert E's out

When I pull the piece out niggas like "Peace out!"

[Verse 2: Kanye West]

Now even though I went to college and dropped out of school quick

I always had a Ph.D.: a Pretty Huge Dick

Ladies tired of gettin' ripped off by guys like this

And givin' head is like a whale, using the toothpick'

Well, I'm in the club for a limited time

Act now and get some action for $free.99

Later on I might charge for ménage

Heard her man was the boss of the floss

But she still want to toss me the drawers

And it ain't gon' cost me because she my caddy

Cuz she grabbed my golf balls in the club

And I'm still actin' calm than a mug

She asked "Can you drive me and the hunnies to where my Altima was?"

While we drive she tellin' me 'bout problems with her man

Baby I fully understand

Let me help you with a plan

While he trickin' off, don't get no rich nigga

Give ME some head, that'll really piss hI'm off

[inhales]

[Hook: Ludacris]

Yeah, breathe in, breathe out

If ya iced up, pull ya sleeves out

Push a big truck, pull ya keys out

Girls go wild and pull ya deez out

Breathe in, breathe out

Let them hoes fight, pull her weave out

If a nigga act up, pull a Desert E's out

When I pull a piece out niggas like "Peace out!"

[Verse 3: Kanye West]

I blow past low class niggas with no cash

In the fo' dash six, bitch you can go ask

So when I go fast popo just laugh

Right until I run out of gas or 'til I go crash

Whatever comes first I'm prepared for the worst

Whatever comes second I'll be there with my weapon

Pullin' up in the Lexuses/'lexeses, one on both hand

So I guess them GSes was ambidextrous

Coulda sworn her breasteses was sendin' me messages

"K I need a free hand mammogram

I got weed, drink, and a Handicam

All of which is legal in Amsterdam"

So say my name like Candyman

And I'ma come and fix you up like the handyman

But if you don't need a fix, girl you gotta leave

You can't take that all at one time ya gotta breathe

[Hook: Ludacris]

Yeah, breathe in, breathe out

If ya iced up, pull ya sleeves out

Push a big truck, pull ya keys out

Girls go wild and pull ya deez out

Breathe in, breathe out

Let them hoes fight, pull her weave out

If a nigga act up, pull a Desert E's out

When I pull a piece out niggas like "Peace out!"

["Can you say Chi city?" scratched repeatedly]


Breathe In Breathe Out at 5:34 PM on September 23, 2015 | #3070 | reply | quote

Elliot: could you add a "read more" feature to make it easier to scroll to something worthwhile when people post lengthy, contentless noise?


Anonymous at 10:29 AM on October 4, 2015 | #3400 | reply | quote

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