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Elliot Temple on October 13, 2015

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Since I have overeating/ bingeing problems, I was experimenting with eating all I want on a whim and just reducing a little everyday. I failed today. It seems the more I eat the more I want to eat. I gained weight and I don't want to gain more.

I'm going extreme and tomorrow I'll fast and then increase 200 calories a day until I reach 1400 and try to stay there.

Leo at 10:53 AM on October 13, 2015 | #4158
Is the scale you use to check your weight actually accurate/reliable/precise enough to check your weight on a daily(!?) basis and make fair comparisons?

Even if the scale is accurate, I don't think you can tell much due to variation in the amount of water in your body. Water can make your weight vary a few pounds over the course of a day.

Anonymous at 10:57 AM on October 13, 2015 | #4159
I think the scale is good enough. I know weight can also be the food and water we consume. I've definitely gained fat as I can grab more in my tummy. It makes sense that I'd gain with the amount of calories I was eating.

Leo at 11:08 AM on October 13, 2015 | #4161
> Since I have overeating/ bingeing problems, I was experimenting with eating all I want on a whim and just reducing a little everyday.

???

How could you go by whim AND reduce daily at the same time?

Reducing my daily requires reasoning about whether or not you should eat at any particular time.

Following whims means not caring about reasoning.

Am I missing something?

Anonymous at 2:10 AM on October 14, 2015 | #4181
I didn't manage to fast today. It's interesting that although I wanted to eat, I only felt physical signs of hunger (as in much I interpret them correctly) at 3pm. I entertained myself drawing during lunchtime.

I'm not doing anything like I described above anymore. I'm going to try and stay within 1400 calories a day.

Leo at 10:22 AM on October 14, 2015 | #4182
>How could you go by whim AND reduce daily at the same time?
>
> Reducing my daily requires reasoning about whether or not you should eat at any particular time.

Yes. I guess that's why it didn't work.

Anonymous at 10:31 AM on October 14, 2015 | #4183
I'm failing at keeping within 1400. I seem to be stuck at overeating. Ideas?

Leo at 11:52 AM on October 15, 2015 | #4190
Stop fighting with yourself day in and day out.

Anonymous at 11:53 AM on October 15, 2015 | #4191
> Stop fighting with yourself day in and day out.

I don't get how that's supposed to help.

Leo at 12:06 PM on October 15, 2015 | #4192
I don't know how to do CP finding on this issue.

Leo at 12:20 PM on October 15, 2015 | #4193
> I'm failing at keeping within 1400. I seem to be stuck at overeating. Ideas?

Why do you describe 1400+ daily calories as over eating?

Anonymous at 12:53 AM on October 16, 2015 | #4195
> Why do you describe 1400+ daily calories as over eating?

I need to eat only 1400 a day to maintain the goal weight I want.

Leo at 5:10 AM on October 16, 2015 | #4196
> I need to eat only 1400 a day to maintain the goal weight I want.

How do you know that is true?

Anonymous at 5:44 AM on October 16, 2015 | #4197
>> I need to eat only 1400 a day to maintain the goal weight I want.
>
> How do you know that is true?

It's an approximation to the truth. I used online calculators.

Leo at 5:52 AM on October 16, 2015 | #4198
I wanted to try fasting but I'm still undecided. I haven't eaten today yet. But I can't stop thinking of the new pulled pork wrap at McD, though. I'm wasting my day off thinking if to eat or not.

Leo at 5:59 AM on October 16, 2015 | #4199
I broke the fast. I'll just restrict to 1400 cals. Not having McD though. I feel like having lighter snacks today. And my fav bread.

Leo at 7:46 AM on October 16, 2015 | #4200
ate 1397 Kcal yesterday. i lost 600 g. yay.

Leo at 1:33 AM on October 17, 2015 | #4204
>ate 1397 Kcal yesterday. i lost 600 g. yay.

your body weight fluctuates by several kilos daily, do you have any understanding of how weight and diet works?

Anonymous at 5:04 AM on October 17, 2015 | #4205
> your body weight fluctuates by several kilos daily, do you have any understanding of how weight and diet works?

I know. I do.

I only weight in the morning.

Leo at 5:21 AM on October 17, 2015 | #4206
600g = 1.3 lbs = 4550 calories.

so you ate 273 calories below maintenance for 1 day, then lost 4550 calories worth of weight.

no.

your use of scales and measurements and stuff is completely wrong. you're getting junk numbers and then trying to make diet decisions with them.

various previous numbers you gave were also bullshit. this is chronic.

Anonymous at 8:49 AM on October 17, 2015 | #4207
>I know. I do. I only weight in the morning.

you clearly know nothing if you think eating less for one day will make any significant difference to your body weight. you could have just had a particularly large shit before. it's also more reliable to weigh in each week rather than each day.

also, your weight isn't necessarily a reliable indicator of your fitness/'thinness'. muscle weighs more than fat etc. this seems incredibly silly and misinformed and you're basing your whole thing off largely irrelevant factors. the fact that you think fasting is even a remotely good idea says a lot as well. frankly, this is worrying. don't you have a child? i hope you aren't subjecting them to this fad diet either.

Anonymous at 3:23 PM on October 17, 2015 | #4209

better than once weekly

i think that daily weighing, which you average to weekly, is better than weighing weekly.

Anonymous at 4:09 PM on October 17, 2015 | #4210
> also, your weight isn't necessarily a reliable indicator of your fitness/'thinness'. muscle weighs more than fat etc. this seems incredibly silly and misinformed and you're basing your whole thing off largely irrelevant factors.

yes. like online calculators which don't take into account any personal details like body-fat percentage (which gets skewed if you're more muscular than the average person).

Anonymous at 4:11 PM on October 17, 2015 | #4211
> 600g = 1.3 lbs = 4550 calories.
>
> so you ate 273 calories below maintenance for 1 day, then lost > 4550 calories worth of weight.
>
> no.


not all that weight loss is calorie weight. it's water too.

but water also creates volume in the body.

it could also be that my metabolism is crazy.

i lost 900g from yesterday and ate 2262 calories. it was a very active day though.

Leo at 2:00 AM on October 18, 2015 | #4212
> you clearly know nothing if you think eating less for one day will make any significant difference to your body weight. you could have just had a particularly large shit before.

it seems it's you who doesn't understand the concept of weight.

i didn't say tissue loss. or fat percentage. i have no means to measure that.

Anonymous at 2:03 AM on October 18, 2015 | #4213
> your weight isn't necessarily a reliable indicator of your fitness/'thinness'. muscle weighs more than fat etc.

more muscle makes you bigger too. so less muscle means you get thinner. in appearance.

i'm not looking for fitness.

Leo at 2:05 AM on October 18, 2015 | #4214
Leo

You talk about maintaining weight, but also celebrate losing weight, what is your actual goal?

If your goal is not precise, your actions towards that goal can not be tailored for that goal.


So what are you trying to do? Reach a certain goal or hold where you are?


If reach a certain goal:
How much do you weigh and how much do you want to lose?
How quickly do you want to do it?

Anonymous at 12:40 PM on October 18, 2015 | #4223
I want to reach a goal weight and be able to maintain that weight once I reach it.

I weight 65 Kg now.
I want to lose 15 Kg.

I want to lose the weight quickly as possible but without the restriction leading to bingeing and without regaining again which is a cycle I've been stuck at.

Leo at 1:16 PM on October 18, 2015 | #4224
> I want to lose the weight quickly as possible but without the restriction leading to bingeing and without regaining again which is a cycle I've been stuck at.

This doesn't make sense to me.

You said that by bingeing you mean eating whatever - like on the days you eat 4,000 with no rules.

You didn't say that you binge on the days that you try to eat less.

Anonymous at 2:28 AM on October 19, 2015 | #4225
It's the days where I restrict a lot that later lead to days I eat too much.

I noticed that I normally I eat 2000 to 3000 cals. Which is too much to be thin.

Leo at 10:46 AM on October 19, 2015 | #4228
why do you want to be exactly 50kg?

Anonymous at 11:23 AM on October 19, 2015 | #4229
I don't like irregular numbers. I want to be as thin as possible without being unhealthy.

Leo at 11:42 AM on October 19, 2015 | #4230
You don't like irregular numbers? What does that mean?

Anonymous at 12:55 PM on October 19, 2015 | #4231
Ugly numbers. Like 50.4 or 52 or 55.

Leo at 12:58 PM on October 19, 2015 | #4232
It's a good thing you use kg, or you'd have to weigh 100 lbs.

Anonymous at 12:59 PM on October 19, 2015 | #4233
I could make up some units in which you're currently 50. Would that help?

Anonymous at 1:00 PM on October 19, 2015 | #4234
No. I'd go for 111 lbs. Which is just above 50Kg.

Leo at 1:01 PM on October 19, 2015 | #4235
No. It would not help because I'd still be fat.

Leo at 1:03 PM on October 19, 2015 | #4236
Why does it matter that you're fat?

Anonymous at 1:04 PM on October 19, 2015 | #4237
Trying to weight a lucky number is irrational.

Anonymous at 1:06 PM on October 19, 2015 | #4238
weigh*

Anonymous at 1:06 PM on October 19, 2015 | #4239
It's ugly. I don't like to be fat.

It's not an ugly number. It's a nice even number. I don't care if it's exactly 50 Kg. It makes no sense to me to say 50.4 or 51.

If I think I'm too boney at 50 Kg I'll convert to pounds and go for 123 lbs.

Leo at 1:08 PM on October 19, 2015 | #4240
I meant: it's not a *lucky* number.

Leo at 1:08 PM on October 19, 2015 | #4241
> It's the days where I restrict a lot that later lead to days I eat too much.

Ok so you agree that doing very very low calories is why you binge. Right?

So, to avoid bingeing, don't do very very low calories.


> I noticed that I normally I eat 2000 to 3000 cals. Which is too much to be thin.

Don't you mean "too much to lose weight in a period of time I'm happy with"?

Anonymous at 1:28 PM on October 19, 2015 | #4242
>> It's the days where I restrict a lot that later lead to days I eat too much.
>
> Ok so you agree that doing very very low calories is why you binge. Right?

Yeah. Not doing that again.

> So, to avoid bingeing, don't do very very low calories.

No.


>> I noticed that I normally I eat 2000 to 3000 cals. Which is too much to be thin.
>
> Don't you mean "too much to lose weight in a period of time I'm happy with"?

No. Too much to lose weight at all.

Leo at 1:41 PM on October 19, 2015 | #4243
Leo you're not paying close enough attention. Maybe this is part of why you're failing at solving this problem.

You said:

> I noticed that I normally I eat 2000 to 3000 cals. Which is too much to be thin.

Here, do you mean "too much to maintain the weight you want"?

or do you mean "too much to lose weight"?

now i think you mean the 2nd thing. but, what you first wrote didn't say that. you're making it harder for anyone to understand you. and i think that makes it harder for YOU to understand YOU.

Anonymous at 3:34 AM on October 20, 2015 | #4244
>> So, to avoid bingeing, don't do very very low calories.

> No.

i don't follow. what's your reasoning?

Anonymous at 3:34 AM on October 20, 2015 | #4245
>> I noticed that I normally I eat 2000 to 3000 cals. Which is too much to be thin.
>
> Here, do you mean "too much to maintain the weight you want"?
>
> or do you mean "too much to lose weight"?

Why do you think there is a difference? It's too much to lose weight AND maintain the lost weight.

>>> So, to avoid bingeing, don't do very very low calories.
>
>> No.
>
> i don't follow. what's your reasoning?

I meant: No, I won't do very very low calories.

Leo at 10:30 AM on October 20, 2015 | #4246
> It's too much to lose weight AND maintain the lost weight.

How do you know it's too much to maintain the lost weight?

Anonymous at 11:26 AM on October 20, 2015 | #4248
Because TDEE decreases when you are a lower weight.

Leo at 11:30 AM on October 20, 2015 | #4249
Hmm. It seems I have severe behaviors of BED.

Leo at 12:22 PM on October 20, 2015 | #4250
> Because TDEE decreases when you are a lower weight.

By how much?

Anonymous at 1:35 PM on October 20, 2015 | #4251
>> Because TDEE decreases when you are a lower weight.
>
> By how much?

I don't know. I use online calculators. Why does it matter how much? It makes sense that it would happen. You have less body mass to keep alive, you need to produce less energy.

Leo at 2:47 PM on October 20, 2015 | #4252
> I don't know. I use online calculators. Why does it matter how much? It makes sense that it would happen. You have less body mass to keep alive, you need to produce less energy.

Isn't it something small like 100 - 200 calories per day? Have you checked?

Anonymous at 4:12 PM on October 20, 2015 | #4253
It's about 250.

Leo at 10:38 AM on October 21, 2015 | #4256
i am still stuck at overeating. i have to learn to only eat 2000 cals a day. and worry with weight loss later.

Leo at 11:49 AM on October 21, 2015 | #4258

Suggestion re why nobody replies to curi videos

make a new post called "Open Thread: Why aren't you replying to my videos?"

suggestion at 1:23 PM on October 23, 2015 | #4264
I finished a 7 day fast and I lost weight 13 lbs. Only 5 lbs of are actual tissue loss. I do not know the fat and muscle percentage. I am re-feeding as recommended and restricting to 500 Kcal a day until the end of the month.

Anonymous at 9:01 AM on November 8, 2015 | #4397
how do you know how much of the loss is (fat?) tissue?

Anonymous at 9:06 AM on November 8, 2015 | #4398
tissue is not just fat. it's muscle and fat.
i would not know how that can be measured.
there are scales that show those percentages but i do think it's physically possible to tell that from weight alone.

i can tell i lost fat from what i see and from pinching the skin, but i do not know how much fat i lost. what i've learned is that the body initially loses its glycogen reserves which lead to water loss, then breaks up muscle for energy before entering ketosis. then it burns fat for energy. i was still losing water everyday, though. i don't burn 3500 Kg a day to burn a lb of tissue a day and i was losing more than that. i guess with tissue loss fat loss also occurs.

i've found fasting super easy comparing with dieting. i would have continued if i didn't have a busy, stressful week ahead.

Anonymous at 10:35 AM on November 8, 2015 | #4400
what do you mean by fasting? how many calories do you ingest per day of fasting?

Anonymous at 10:41 AM on November 8, 2015 | #4402
less than 10. i consumed "zero" soft drinks that have 1 calorie and flavored teas to make it more fun. i think next time i will avoid citric acid which can put some ppl off ketosis.

next time i will do a strictly 0 Kcal water fast. for now i'll stay at 500 Kcal until end of Nov, then see results. increase to 1000. survive Christmas but do one's best to not binge. i will pass foward boxes of chocolates for instance.

then i'll fast at least 7 days from the 7th January depending if i'm still losing or maintaining at that point. i'm guessing i will need to loose as i love christmas treats.

Anonymous at 10:48 AM on November 8, 2015 | #4403
isn't there advice that says it's not safe to eat 0cal or 500cal for long periods?

Anonymous at 11:19 AM on November 8, 2015 | #4405
only unsafe if the body was already very underweight and malnourished.

Anonymous at 11:34 AM on November 8, 2015 | #4406
one thing i'm critical about: i was weighting in everyday. now because i know i will gain water weight from re-feeding and muscle weight when i consume more protein, i don't want to see that on the scale. decided to swap for weekly weighing. but this seems like evading reality.

Anonymous at 11:43 AM on November 8, 2015 | #4407
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/12/15/very.low.calorie.diets/

> Diets of less than 800 calories can lead to numerous complications, according to Jampolis, including heart arrhythmias, which could lead to death. Extreme dieters are also at risk of dehydration, electrolyte imbalance, low blood pressure and high uric acid, which could lead to gout or kidney stones, she says. Also, losing weight quickly could lead to gallstones and thinning hair because dieters are getting the minimum amount of nutrition, which can affect hair and bone density.

Anonymous at 12:42 PM on November 8, 2015 | #4408
I see no arguments in what you quoted or evidence.

Anonymous at 1:24 PM on November 8, 2015 | #4409
Or any explanation at all.

Anonymous at 1:25 PM on November 8, 2015 | #4410
you're asking for justification while giving no criticism or alternative.

Anonymous at 1:36 PM on November 8, 2015 | #4411
you're believing ideas without explanation, on medical authority alone.

> Extreme dieters are also at risk of dehydration

only if they don't drink enough

> electrolyte imbalance

consume water with added electrolytes or tablets.

> low blood pressure and high uric acid, which could lead to gout or kidney stones

because?

> losing weight quickly could lead to gallstones

because?

> and thinning hair because dieters are getting the minimum amount of nutrition, which can affect hair and bone density.

not with multivit and calcium supplements.

Anonymous at 1:53 PM on November 8, 2015 | #4412
> you're asking for justification while giving no criticism or alternative.

actually, no. you offered that quote as crit to what i said.

Anonymous at 1:54 PM on November 8, 2015 | #4413
what's the rational way to lose weight and stay thin?

Anonymous at 12:35 PM on January 23, 2016 | #4591
find some stuff you like to do more than eat.

Anonymous at 12:37 PM on January 23, 2016 | #4592
what if you only like to eat?

Anonymous at 12:42 PM on January 23, 2016 | #4593
then you have much bigger problems than not being thin.

work on your problems, try to get some interests and something worthwhile to do with your life, try to do self-improvement about some way more important issues than weight.

Anonymous at 12:47 PM on January 23, 2016 | #4595
what bigger problems are those?

why should i have other interests?

what do you mean by worthwhile?

what are more important issues than weight?

what's wrong with being focused on solving eating problems?

Anonymous at 12:50 PM on January 23, 2016 | #4599
why are you asking all this stuff and what will i gain by answering?

Anonymous at 12:51 PM on January 23, 2016 | #4600
in search of new ideas for weight loss.

i don't know what you gain.
you don't gain weight. :)

Anonymous at 12:56 PM on January 23, 2016 | #4601
in search of new ideas for weight loss.

i don't know what you gain.
you don't gain weight. :)

Anonymous at 12:56 PM on January 23, 2016 | #4602
why do you care about weight loss a ton?

Anonymous at 12:57 PM on January 23, 2016 | #4603
i don't like to be fat.

Anonymous at 12:59 PM on January 23, 2016 | #4604
why?

Anonymous at 12:59 PM on January 23, 2016 | #4605
it's ugly and uncomfortable.

Anonymous at 1:03 PM on January 23, 2016 | #4607
i wonder if there is a way to diet like playing video games. you don't become good immediately at games. it takes persistence. you make mistakes. but your standards are high.

Anonymous at 1:20 PM on January 23, 2016 | #4609
> i wonder if there is a way to diet like playing video games. you don't become good immediately at games. it takes persistence. you make mistakes. but your standards are high.

yes.

and one thing to think about is the *process* by which you become good. what are the characteristics of that process?

the process is evolutionary. piecemeal change. step-by-step.

not revolutionary. not radical change.


mistakes should be studied in order to convert them into a lessons-learned. most mistakes go unnoticed but you can improve your ability to catch more and more mistakes without limit. we can't reach perfection but we can do a good job.

if you eat too much, it's because you have particular habits and you're enacting them and that means you're eating too much food. these are thoughts, emotions, and actions.

most people focus on the *actions*, e.g. eating too much at a sitting, or eating when you weren't hungry. they don't think about the mental habits (thoughts and emotions) that precede the actions. it's not even on their radar.

Anonymous at 5:20 PM on January 23, 2016 | #4613
> the process is evolutionary. piecemeal change. step-by-step.
>
> not revolutionary. not radical change.

what would be an example of piecemeal change as diet is concerned?

an idea that makes sense to me is to eat the calorie amount as if one was thin already. but maybe it's a huge jump?

one problem is that losing slow or not losing (cause the body doesn't like to lose weight and adapts to less calories) is boring and discouraging.

how do you study mistakes and how do you figure out what was the mistake?

i have noticed some people talk of compulsions to binge and that compulsion doesn't follow any logic. some say eating above 300 Kcal a day compels them to binge. others say eating below 1400 compels them to binge. some say allowing a small amount of "junk" prevents bingeing. others on the contrary, having one cookie starts a binge.

what is going on in their minds?

i think it's about ideas they have persuaded themselves of and identify with and not knowing how to change those ideas. those ideas are static memes and manifest themselves as obsessive thoughts.

Anonymous at 11:42 PM on January 24, 2016 | #4648
> what would be an example of piecemeal change as diet is concerned?

a small change, e.g. replacing soda with water at lunch, or taking a bit smaller portions with optional seconds 30min after you finish, or a rule that whenever you finish 80% of your food then you stop for 2min and consider if you're genuinely still hungry before eating the rest.

Anonymous at 9:45 AM on January 25, 2016 | #4662
> what would be an example of piecemeal change as diet is concerned?

you also should think about what things are not consistent with piecemeal change, e.g. doing a diet that has an inherent end date.

Anonymous at 12:52 PM on January 25, 2016 | #4667
> one problem is that losing slow or not losing (cause the body doesn't like to lose weight and adapts to less calories) is boring and discouraging.

why is it boring and discouraging?

what mistaken thoughts do you have about that?

Anonymous at 12:53 PM on January 25, 2016 | #4668
> a small change, e.g. replacing soda with water at lunch, or taking a bit smaller portions with optional seconds 30min after you finish, or a rule that whenever you finish 80% of your food then you stop for 2min and consider if you're genuinely still hungry before eating the rest.

that sounds really good, thanks. i was trying not to eat fries and a hamburger instead of a double cheeseburger but that was a big jump. it might be better to have small fries and stop before eating the whole bag.

i actually stop feeling hungry after eating just a little.
the problem is i then feel hungry again soon after. and if i'm working i can be 6 hours on my feet without food. and that is not compatible with respecting physical hunger cues.

i never had full sugar soda. isn't having diet soda instead of full sugar more piecemeal?

what if a person doesn't care to have meals (unless forced by work or other circumstance) and is more of an ongoing snacker?

Anonymous at 5:07 AM on January 26, 2016 | #4682
> you also should think about what things are not consistent with piecemeal change, e.g. doing a diet that has an inherent end date.

yes, that's why my idea was to eat the tdee of the weight i want to be. it's a change forever.

Anonymous at 5:09 AM on January 26, 2016 | #4683
>> one problem is that losing slow or not losing (cause the body doesn't like to lose weight and adapts to less calories) is boring and discouraging.
>
> why is it boring and discouraging?

it's like watching paint dry. if i'm putting the effort in restricting i want to see results.

> what mistaken thoughts do you have about that?

i don't know. i don't understand how to catch mistakes in thinking.

Anonymous at 5:15 AM on January 26, 2016 | #4684
also thinking your advice is good for a normal person who is a bit of a glutton and overeats a little but not so much with people who already developed behaviors such as bingeing, purging, fasting.

Anonymous at 9:01 AM on January 26, 2016 | #4686

What do you think?

(This is a free speech zone!)