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The Bachelor Discussion

This point contains some spoilers for The Bachelor, season 14, from 2010.

curi:
i am watching the bachelor
cuz i like the show unreal
which is a scripted show about making a (fake made up) reality tv show like the bachelor
it has some interesting info about how much ppl suck and in what ways
shows lots of lies
this season one of the girls fucked a cameraman or other staff dude
he got fired and she got kicked off
well idk if fucked. mb just made out. they were vague
Friend:
on bachelor or unreal?
curi:
bachelor
real
the convo where she got kicked off was really awkward cuz of his communication style (the host dude did it)
he wouldn't just directly say stuff
it was all such defensive indirect language
stuff like we don't see how you can continue
and we take this very seriously
something interesting was
they were driving to some date and he was saying in vocieover how he really wanted to get to know her better and can't wait
he could just stop the car and talk to her now. or talk while driving
they put way more effort into things like doing activities, going places, than into actually talking
this is intentional
Friend:
yes
dating would be way cheaper if ppl just like talked to each other
and easier in like practical way
but then they’d have to like talk to each other
curi:
the show format
the rose ceremony
he names girls
but he doesn't give reasons
and he doesn't name rejects. only keepers
the rejects are just implied
the lack of reasons lets audience have more fantasies
make up what's going on
how they like it
he's on date with a divorcee right now
she said lots of ppl don't realize they have expectations about marriage
i think that's true
they just figure they will get married and it will be like how marriage is
and they want and expect all kinds of stuff
but they don't realize they are expecting stuff. they just assume it's the default
but u can take 2 conventional normal ppl and their defaults still won't match up that well
he said one of his expectations in marriage is his wife has his back 100%. like, even if he's wrong, i take it.
they drink a lot of wine
it's expected, not rly optional. would be costly not to
a girl just said she may not act or seem insecure, but she's prolly the most insecure girl there
yet somehow most of the audience didn't hear her say "i am a liar", and she doesn't think of herself as asying that
now a girl basically said her idea of what marriage should be like is the fun and excitement and energy of courtship and just don't have that die down
that's so like predictable – and predictably doesn't work
ppl plan that then don't
Friend:
@ giving reasons - also they often don’t have good reasons, or wouldn’t want to admit their reasons
curi:
yeah it's way easier to pick ppl by race, age and beauty when u aren't expected to explain anything
the notes they get about dates are cryptic and always very short
Friend:
“i saw ur boobs, and they have stretch marks”
curi:
overall there isn't much communication
ali is like gushing about how great jake is cuz they were walking down street and passed flower shop and he bought her flowers
they are fucking thrilled with everything he does for them
it's required. if she didn't like the flowers it pretty much signals pick a different girl
Friend:
u listen to taylor swift
curi:
not much
Friend:
one of her songs had lyrics about pretending to be the kind of girl he likes in the beginning of the relationship
curi:
i get music on ppl's streams i don't pick
Friend:
>Find out what you want
Be that girl for a month
the whole verse is:

Cherry lips, crystal skies
I could show you incredible things
Stolen kisses, pretty lies
You're the king baby I'm your Queen
Find out what you want
Be that girl for a month
Wait the worst is yet to come, oh no
Screaming, crying, perfect storm
I can make all the tables turn
Rose gardens filled with thorns
Keep you second guessing like
"Oh my God, who is she?"
I get drunk on jealousy
But you'll come back each time you leave
'Cause darling I'm a nightmare dressed like a daydream
curi:
the guy is trying to reassure every girl and tell them he's into them
to keep his options open
there was a single mom iwth a 7yo
he went on a solo date with her and met her kid and acted super nice
and kept her at that time. then got rid of her a little later
pretty transparent IMO. but ppl don't look at it that way. they see that he was like totally cool with the kid and nice to her, but then it just didn't work out later for some other unnamed reason
she also said don't kiss her until she wins show, no other girls left.
such a play for attention
and he bends over backwards to say he respects that and pretend it's about values
oh hey they got [person] as a guest script writer
talking about REALLY knowing someone
instead of any substance u just throw in superlatives
i'm completely into gia "right now" while on solo date with her
he loves the fact that she's smiling
gia's family is grilling him with tough questions like how he'll treat her as wife – answer: always have her back. family pleased! good answer!
>>
mom takes him aside
u fallen for 4 girls?
yes
but gia is so amazing and so different
mom agrees: she really is!
gia to mom: he does the same stuff with the other girls that he does with me
mom: ur a special person
i think he loves u
ali's mom was super duper impressed with jake cuz he said that inner beauty is mostimportant (tho obv physical beauty is important too)
such a cliche bromide
omg he said one of the things our culture demands everyone say
what a great guy!!
tenley is so relived, and it means so much to her, that jake is totally different than her ex husband cuz he makes his own decisions and wants to be a team (note those 2 things kinda contradict)
(in addition to being so cliche that i bet she thot her first husband wanted to be a team too)
so literally not a idfference
tenley did a dance for him.
1) dance part of courtship
was like a ballet-y kinda thing with some choreography
not sure what to call it. not like club. at actual dance room kinda thing
and the voice overs are saying like
how she felt confident and adored and good about the dance specifically b/c of his facial expressions while she danced
and that what facial expressions he had during dance dominated her experience and opinion of it
tenley's dad taskes jake aside to their den (big emphasis on setting and setup b4 any talking)
and asks if he's a good guy or not
and jake says he was raised to do the right thing
and he said tenley would bring a lot of joy into their home
and that was about it
falllling in love with vienna is scrary cuz it's "so real"

Elliot Temple on June 11, 2016

Comments (7)

the stuff they do while dating is very unlike the stuff they will do when married

Anonymous at 2:08 AM on June 11, 2016 | #5830
the entire show is socially calibrated lies.

Anonymous at 2:10 AM on June 11, 2016 | #5831
first he calls vienna sexy and questions his physical chemistry with tenley. then when he dumps tenley he says he doesn't know why and he just felt something was wrong. such a liar.

Anonymous at 3:35 AM on June 11, 2016 | #5832
on the aftershow tenley says jake couldn't put into words what the problem was and she doesn't know and that he was trying to tell her.

he could have put it into words but didn't want to. he was less sexually attracted to her than to vienna. but no one wants to say that outloud clearly.

Anonymous at 3:36 AM on June 11, 2016 | #5833
he says the issue was a "magical spark". this is a euphemism for sexual spark.

Anonymous at 3:38 AM on June 11, 2016 | #5834

pro-force

on aftershow they're saying how The Bachelor is good cuz it 'forces' people out of their comfort zone to date ppl they might not have gotten to know otherwise.

Anonymous at 3:40 AM on June 11, 2016 | #5835
Bachelorrette season 6:

she dumps a dude cuz he didn't want her enuf, as much as the other guys. she says. this is a lie. really i think he did want her, didn't "show" it. which means: didn't do the right socially calibrated stuff.

he wanted to show he likes her and be assertive and stuff. but there's a fine line between being too pushy or aggressive and doing it in ways people respond positively to. he calibrated on the less aggressive side of the line. miscalibrating on either side of the line is punished. socially calibrate very precisely or else!

anyway the point is his imperfect social calibration skills were lied about as something about not being into her enough, not wanting her enough, etc

Anonymous at 7:58 AM on June 11, 2016 | #5836

What do you think?

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