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By reader request, Asceticism

Ascetic is the opposite of hedonistic. It means scorning worldly desires and pleasures, and self-denial. It's sometimes thought to create spiritual discipline, or sometimes just someone's tendency.

The spiritual discipline version is on the same order of magnitude of absurdity as theism.

One common cause of ascetic qualities is arrogance. Another is anti-capitalism. TV is for the masses of capitalist drones, to keep them mindless. Products are a trap for lesser people, and I shall avoid them. Toys are for low brow kids; mine will enjoy nature and possibly some books and be free. Look at all those Joe Schmoes wasting the money they slaved away for at McDonald's for a few minutes of pleasure, they won't fool me. blah blah blah

Joy is a great thing.

I suppose there is an important distinction that needs to be made now: some ascetics don't value joy, others simply have trouble creating much.

Feh, this isn't going well. Write comments with questions, I'll just make this really simple.... To those who don't value joy: you're silly. To those who have trouble finding joy: I sympathise.

Elliot Temple on February 25, 2003

Comments (11)

Why is it bad to not value joy?

-Lulie Tanett

Anonymous at 9:22 AM on November 11, 2008 | #1666
why no answer?

Anonymous at 6:06 PM on January 24, 2016 | #4630
no joy?

why be alive?

Anonymous at 6:07 PM on January 24, 2016 | #4631
> no joy?
>
> why be alive?

why not be alive?

Anonymous at 1:10 AM on January 25, 2016 | #4653
What would be the point of living without joy?

Anonymous at 6:19 AM on January 25, 2016 | #4654
> What would be the point of living without joy?

You can do interesting stuff.

Anonymous at 7:16 AM on January 25, 2016 | #4655
>> What would be the point of living without joy?
>
> You can do interesting stuff.

and doing interesting stuff gives you no joy? how does that work?

Anonymous at 7:27 AM on January 25, 2016 | #4656
> and doing interesting stuff gives you no joy? how does that work?

The stuff is interesting. So I think "interesting", not "yippee."

Anonymous at 1:01 PM on January 26, 2016 | #4690
what do you think "yippee" about?

Anonymous at 1:01 PM on January 26, 2016 | #4691
what do you mean by yippee? why do you think joy is yippee?
if something is interesting for you doesn't it mean it's enjoyable? vs being boring?

"i'm not enjoying this, but it's interesting."
does it happen?

Ayn Rand didn't define joy as yippee. she didn't think laughing at comedies was joy.

From We the Living:
> And because she worshipped joy, Kira seldom laughed and did not go to see comedies in theaters.

Anonymous at 12:50 AM on January 27, 2016 | #4700
> Ayn Rand didn't define joy as yippee. she didn't think laughing at comedies was joy.
>
> From We the Living:
>> And because she worshipped joy, Kira seldom laughed and did not go to see comedies in theaters.

that quote does not imply that the author doesn't think laughing at comedies was joy.

it's making a statement about *worshipping* joy, which isn't what you guys were talking about.

Anonymous at 11:17 AM on February 3, 2016 | #4811

What do you think?

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