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Organizing ideas

The problem of how to organize ideas has been bugging me a lot. I've been trying to find a decent method to organize ideas.

I've come up with this new method and I think it solves my problem. I'm writing this post to get feedback but also to get affirmation which is a category-2 thing to do. I hadn't noticed earlier how much category-2 things I did.

The method is write down all ideas for log. The log goes into a passive folder.
The active folder contains a summation of all the ideas I am currently working on. The problem that has been bugging me arises because I find that logs become redundant once you make progress. But I cannot be sure that the active folder contains a complete summation of all the logs. Actually that is a very hard thing to accomplish. Thus this method of organization makes sense. Solves both problems.

To recap both problems are:
1. logs are too much to handle and thus keeping them all in active folder is not possible.
2. active folder contains a summation of logs of the current ideas I am working on but it can be missing something something so keeping a log makes sense.

I face this problem on basecamp in the following way: I don't want to make a new message board for every conversation that I want have because I feel a message board is like a final thing that goes in the public record and should be good for distribution.

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Elliot, Fallible Ideas
re organizing: try some tress or bullet point notes with nesting?

I face this problem on basecamp in the following way: I don't want to make a new message board for every conversation that I want have because I feel a message board is like a final thing that goes in the public record and should be good for distribution.

no. you should not treat this like publishing. it's a discussion forum. it's not for distribution like canonical essays. you can make lots of topics here.

i do have a concern about making many topics, but it's different: finishing some projects successfully is important.
I explained my problem poorly it seems. I was actually thinking of organizing 2 to 3 page documents not just ideas. The ideas contained in them are not too many. Maybe 2 ideas per document but they are getting very verbose as I am trying to explain those ideas to myself in depth. I've been writing these documents with increasing frequency. Twice in a week. Currently there are 11 documents and I'm already finding it hard to manage them.

Are you suggesting making a tree for one topic which contains a distillation of that topic. One document is on one topic.

My problem is that I'm having difficulty closing topics because any new topic I start references and old closed one. Should I just keep writing and not worry about repeating things? Should I just keep writing everything in one document? Or if one topic is building upon an old topic then I should move this new doc writing into the old one?

I'm thinking that something like a blog will solve my problem. One topic is one blog post. New topic can reference an older blog post. And a search function will help in finding older related idea discussion.

Is there such a tool available, an offline alternative to blog? I don't want to make an online blog as I am not ready for posting online.
Elliot, Fallible Ideas
make a tree in software like mindnode and have some nodes be "document X" or "document Y".

you could also make a tree of folders on your hard drive and organize the documents in that tree. but for that it's typical to limit nesting and go with broader categories so the total number of folders to click through is reduced.
I just realized that mac finder search can look inside documents as well so that solves my problem of looking inside docs. And list view in finder app allows you to organize documents and folders in a tree like manner.

I have a intuitive idea about nesting but I would like to understand more. Was nesting discussed in max or internetrules tutorial videos?
I remembered learning about nesting in my programming class. Is this the same thing? It seems to be. In that case I get it.
Alisa Zinov’yevna Rosenbaum
I read about this approach to organizing things a while back: . I haven't tried it or thought much about it since then.
I just skimmed through it. The basic idea I am using right now is "everything is a tree". Approximately every idea can be organized in tree form. Exception is I think "woven web of guesses" My plan right now is to organize everything in tree form. As my understanding of an idea will improve I expect that I will also have a better tree model of the ideas in that topic. I think this will work for me.
Feature suggestion: there should be a starting point for everyone. Everyone should be assigned projects. Everyone will have their own progress report of their project. Once a part of the project is completed that node will be moved to a log. This will be a more helpful of tracking the actual position of a person on their FI journey. They can have access to other people's log. If someone faces a problem anyone else has already faced before then they can find it in logs.
This is an improvement upon the message board feature in basecamp. I am proposing a way to fit a message board inside a tree. That tree is the FI progress path of a person. The basecamp message board is inferior because there isn't a good way to organize them. All message board are equivalent. They shouldn't be.
I realize I'm kind of asking better people to decide goals for others including me.
Elliot, Fallible Ideas
Deciding goals for people should be paid tutoring
True. People pay a lot more for college tuition and go into debt in US. Doesn't happen much in my country. Paying for personal tutoring makes much more sense. If world were to become such a place in the future it would be better I think. An obvious requirement is that tutors have to have mastery in the stuff they are tutoring and they have to be good at tutoring as well.

People's idea for what should be paid for is very bad currently. I like Sam Harris' idea on it. He talks about how people will pay 10 dollars at starbucks everyday easily but not for a monthly subscription to a podcaster like him. People claim to get much more value from the content he produces in a month than from starbucks. But no one will feel right paying that 100-300 dollars they pay at starbucks to Sam instead.
Elliot, Fallible Ideas
someone told me FI provided more value to them than university did. i suggested they send me money. they sent a small fraction of what they paid for university.
It makes sense. A general analysis: A person already got the value for free. If they decide to pay X they will be down that much. They can choose to be not down by X. They already have what they want. Why be down by X? They don't have the idea in their mind as to why they should pay. They don't know the answer to "If I got greater than X value then why not pay more than X value?". This question doesn't arise in their mind. If it does then they might choose to get out of this problem by doing something wrong. I can't quite point to what those wrongs are. Is it lying to themselves or lacking integrity (I have a weak understanding of integrity and lying)?

Also they might realize that they got only a fraction of X worth value from university but they paid university X.

Also the case of not being capable of paying also exists.

To me it makes sense to pay you and I plan to once I make money.