📢 Plan for Basecamp
I made this Basecamp project because I think people should treat learning more like an organized project, and a project management tool can help people do that.
Feel free to make todo lists for yourself and use other features like creating scheduled check-ins for yourself or opting yourself in to check-ins others have made. I'll do some stuff like the Time Tracking project post, but don't feel like you have to wait for me to organize or lead everything. You're welcome to jump in, make stuff, try stuff, etc.
I think it'd be good if people made todo lists for some stuff they're doing and then others could learn from their example or maybe give suggestions.
Basecamp's design is meant for trusted colleagues and gives out a lot of access and permissions. It's not like a typical public forum with fairly powerless users who are controlled by a moderator who doesn't trust them. If people abuse stuff then this format probably won't work well because it's not set up well for admins to control bad behavior, but I don't expect that to be an issue.
Feel free to make todo lists for yourself and use other features like creating scheduled check-ins for yourself or opting yourself in to check-ins others have made. I'll do some stuff like the Time Tracking project post, but don't feel like you have to wait for me to organize or lead everything. You're welcome to jump in, make stuff, try stuff, etc.
I think it'd be good if people made todo lists for some stuff they're doing and then others could learn from their example or maybe give suggestions.
Basecamp's design is meant for trusted colleagues and gives out a lot of access and permissions. It's not like a typical public forum with fairly powerless users who are controlled by a moderator who doesn't trust them. If people abuse stuff then this format probably won't work well because it's not set up well for admins to control bad behavior, but I don't expect that to be an issue.
so maybe ppl treat learning like a random thing that just happens when they do stuff. but learning is more like something you actively have to do, i think it has something to do with guesses and criticisms NOTE: this sentence is kind of stolen from stuff ET has already written about, and then its being paraphrased from memory with my own interpretations
I didn't know how much she was involved with andy-b. We have talked about it before. If I remember correctly she thought something like that you deserved getting DDOSed but I didn't know anything about her active involvement.
I decided to figure out what this basecamp project is about. First thing I have figured out about this basecamp project is that it says that you have to treat learning like an organized project. I don't understand LT claims very well but they make feel like learning is all fun and games. Which is the reason why I brought her up. I wanna know if those claims are wrong. I have been deriving implications from her claims and doing things based on those implications. If her claims are wrong then I will save my time on not doing incorrect things.
Edit: Also I engage in second-handedness (I have a vague understanding of this concept). I think DD supports her theories and maybe is helping LT develop these theories. I think DD is right about everything. So I think this theory about learning being all fun and games is supported by DD so I choose to think it is right.
Edit:
"We have talked about it before."
By we I meant Ellliot and Me. Not me and LT.
I am imagining something like this: when I figure out why I need to learn grammar I won't need to make a plan. I won't need to decide that I should spend 30 mins everyday learning grammar. I will just be effortless for me to put in hard work towards improving my grammar.
That doesn't say why it'd be effortless. It lacks details, reasons or a models of reality (how learning works in a mind, what activities learning involves, how human psychology works, etc.) which makes it hard to engage with. My main response is "Why? Go ahead and argue your case."
One of the many issue is: There are many valuable things. You don't have time for all of them. How will you prioritize? Will you look at them all and figure out which are best and why? If you do that, you're creating an organized priorities list. It could be a written list, or you could spend mental energy remembering it or, you could reinvent it frequently. If you didn't organize your priorities, then what would cause the highest priority things to happen?
The only reason people think maybe they don't need organization is because they do a lot of unconscious organization. They don't actually have experience with real chaos. But one of the major themes of rationality is doing some conscious thinking instead of just relying on your gut or intuition. Rational analysis and planning is a step up from the unexamined life of whims and, basically, following your childhood programming (which mostly means doing whatever your culture/society thinks is good, which is involves lots of static memes).
I have not thought a lot about this so I don't have details and models. I read an article on curi.us (http://curi.us/2177-hardness-emotions-mental-automation) and I think the model in the article about how learning works is correct.
I can present a reason for why I think this
Example A
Goal: Become good at reason. Sub-goal: Learn grammar. Learning grammar feels effortful because of conflict between explicit and inexplicit ideas. Explicit idea: learn grammar. Inexplicit idea: isn't convinced learning grammar is good. Result: doing sub goal feels effortful
Example B
Goal: Have sex. Sub-goal: Clean apartment. Cleaning apartment feels effortless because no conflict between explicit and inexplicit ideas. Explicit idea: Clean apartment. Inexplicit idea: sex is pleasurable. Result: doing sub goal feels effortless
Agreed. Organizing priorities is important. Making a list (brainstorming) and then getting quality criticism on it will help me figure out what is higher priority. Organizing makes processes which are aligned towards a goal efficient.
I think there's some kind of misunderstanding or miscommunication going on. But I think I can answer your main point anyway so I'm gonna try that.
Yes we can improve on and overcome static memes. But not with tools like "gut feelings", "whims" or "intuition".
To do better than static memes requires tools like "conscious thought" and "rational analysis", and "intentional practice". These are tools that help us improve our ideas and intuitions.
I re read my comment and the example I presented and didn't make sense to me. The only thing I still find to have some sense is the conjecture of when doing something feels effortless. The conjecture is that:
Doing Things or Activities feel effortless when there is no contradiction between ones explicit and inexplicit ideas.
Is that conjecture correct?
And my guess is that when we improve our intuitions by rational analysis we reduce such contradictions between what we can explicitly decide as a good goal and what our inexplicit desires want. Is that correct?
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from this (https://twitter.com/reasonisfun/status/1047767865519222786) tweet.
I was focusing on this because I was resolving this misconception which was getting me stuck. Now it is resolved. Now I can focus on practicing a skill.
I think being scared of effort is bad. Effort is OK.
People avoid learning b/c it feels like effort/work, but then spend their whole lives as coerced, struggling failures because they didn't have a superior alternative.
Improvement requires effort.
At my current unimproved level there will be contradiction between my inexplicit ideas (~childhood programming + static memes) and the goals that I come up with after rational analysis. So improvement will require effort.
I'm confused. I don't understand why you said this here. Is it a criticism of what I said above it? Is it adding more detail to my understanding?