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Elliot Temple on July 23, 2018

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>I don't know what goes on in your head and I find your particular emotional problem uninteresting because you even explicitly oppose altruism. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. I've had moral integrity from a very young age and can't relate. You need socialization badly.

This is a combination of

1) ignorance of Ayn Rand's moral philosophy and

2) vicious, nasty, cruel personal attacks

What's interesting to me is that Evan engages in this combination of ignorance and malevolence while pleading his moral integrity.


❓🤔❓A Mysterious Person ❓🤔❓ at 2:02 PM on November 27, 2018 | #11419 | reply | quote

> What's interesting to me is that Evan engages in this combination of ignorance and malevolence while pleading his moral integrity.

That struck me more as *sadly typical* :/


Anonymous at 2:03 PM on November 27, 2018 | #11420 | reply | quote

>> What's interesting to me is that Evan engages in this combination of ignorance and malevolence while pleading his moral integrity.

> That struck me more as *sadly typical* :/

:-(


❓🤔❓A Mysterious Person ❓🤔❓ at 2:05 PM on November 27, 2018 | #11421 | reply | quote

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Then I will use that id as the start, and choose how many extra comments, i want, say up to 9 more after it:

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This will let me make newsletter links that load faster. The comment limited feature couldn't be used with permalinks before because if you limit to the 20 latest comments and ppl post 20 new comments then the thing you were linking wouldn't be included anymore.


curi at 2:38 PM on November 27, 2018 | #11422 | reply | quote


Anonymous at 2:49 PM on November 27, 2018 | #11423 | reply | quote

#11414

> Dagny by insubstantial I was referring to your claim that I'm not open to your better way of learning that you won't state. To make that claim out of nowhere is so socially repulsive I would guess you have no friends. You could learn that it's incorrect to do this by going outside ever and talking to someone. Paranoia means theories about people that are irrational and cause you fear.

i find it interesting that evan has interpreted the situation as though Dagny is experiencing fear.

> Elliot you are a person who wastes his time slandering people. I'm sorry I didn't respond to Alan's last comment for awhile but I was homeless and hungry, looking for jobs and places to stay for a few months starting roughly around that time. I fully expect that you will eventually hate me so much that you block me on all your websites or whatever. I don't know what goes on in your head and I find your particular emotional problem uninteresting because you even explicitly oppose altruism. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard of.

How would evan know that elliot’s position on altruism is dumb? he doesn’t say whether or not he’s even investigated it, let alone understood it to the point that he could make an honest judgement of it.

> I've had moral integrity from a very young age and can't relate.

I don’t think Evan knows what the word integrity means. he's sorta implying that elliot has doesn't something that goes against his principles but as far as i can see, elliot has not done that, and evan has not explained (nor even stated without explanation) that elliot has acted contrary to his principles.

> You need socialization badly. I tried to help you in twitter dms. Maybe you have a delusion that you shouldn't do things people recommend until they respond to the games you play with discussions and launching highly irrational criticisms at every detail of people's claims, making your discussions intractable.

evan doesn’t seem to be giving elliot the benefit of the doubt. whether or not somebody should take somebody else’s suggestion depends on whether or not he’s convinced that doing the suggestion would benefit him. so if somebody suggests that i read something, i’m not doing it unless i’m convinced i’ll benefit. that may involve asking the suggestor to tell me what’s good about it, how it will benefit me, etc. if that discussion ends without me being convinced, i’m not reading what was suggested.

> I come on here to discuss important things like philosophy, and the only use you can find for it is to try to create interpersonal drama. It is no wonder no one likes you, and you will only get dumber and dumber if you keep wasting your time like this.

but it’s not true that no one likes elliot. i think he’s the best. i’m glad to know him and glad for our interactions.

one thing i especially like about elliot is his honesty. especially his honesty about how i’m behaving. *especially* his honesty about cases where i’m being dishonest. he’s shining a light on something that i’m refusing to shine a light on myself (and no else i know has shined a light on). i appreciate that very much. No one else is good/smart enough to treat me that way. (Well maybe there are others who are good/smart enough but they haven’t done it, so I wouldn’t know.)


44783 at 3:01 PM on November 27, 2018 | #11424 | reply | quote

#11424

thx

FYI the Twitter DMs Evan is referring to began with

> Try meditating to porn. rsd fucked me up.

Then there are 5 more messages (that's it) on the same topic. RSD is Real Social Dynamics (a PUA group that i think is pretty good) e.g. https://www.youtube.com/user/RSDTyler

Saying he tried to help me in Twitter DMs is not honest. It wasn't even about philosophy. He just tried to get me to hate/reject PUA or something ... while knowing absolutely nothing about my personal/dating life and what problems it does and doesn't have.


curi at 3:10 PM on November 27, 2018 | #11425 | reply | quote

> but it’s not true that no one likes elliot. i think he’s the best. i’m glad to know him and glad for our interactions.

god i have *so many* fans i'm not even confident about guessing who wrote this. can't keep track of them all! i feel a bit confused. commonly when ppl write that much i can tell who it is.


curi at 3:25 PM on November 27, 2018 | #11427 | reply | quote

> i find it interesting that evan has interpreted the situation as though Dagny is experiencing fear.

This comment is either passive-aggressive (against Evan) or it's really socially oblivious. "Interesting" can be literal, but it's a very commonly used word for equivocations and not directly saying what one actually means. In this case, it appears to be a standard interesting=bad kinda use where the person meant that Evan was wrong and dumb, and wanted to draw attention to the issue, but didn't want to say it openly.


Dagny at 5:18 PM on November 27, 2018 | #11428 | reply | quote

>> i find it interesting that evan has interpreted the situation as though Dagny is experiencing fear.

> This comment is either passive-aggressive (against Evan) or it's really socially oblivious. "Interesting" can be literal, but it's a very commonly used word for equivocations and not directly saying what one actually means. In this case, it appears to be a standard interesting=bad kinda use where the person meant that Evan was wrong and dumb, and wanted to draw attention to the issue, but didn't want to say it openly.

That’s interesting too.

How can I or you figure out which one it is?

If I was passive aggressive I wanna fix that and never do it again.


44783 at 6:21 PM on November 27, 2018 | #11429 | reply | quote

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