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Elliot Temple on July 23, 2018

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About how virtue investing should/must generate lower returns.

> What happens when one group of investors, call them the virtuous, simply won’t own a segment of the market (the sin stocks)? Well, in economist terms the market still has to “clear.” In English, everything still gets owned by someone. So, clearly the group without such qualms, call them the sinners, have to own more than they otherwise would of the sin stocks. How does a market get anyone, perhaps particularly a sinner, to own more of something? Well it pays them! In this case through a higher expected return on the segment in question. This may be unpleasant but it is just math (like math could ever be unpleasant). In the absence of extra expected return the sinners would own X of the market segment in question. The only way to get them to own X+Y is to pay them something more. Now, assuming nothing else changed, how does the market assign this sinful segment a higher expected return? Well by according it a lower price. That is, if the virtuous decide they won’t own something, the sinners then have to, and they have to be induced to through getting a higher expected return than otherwise. This in turn is achieved through a lower than otherwise price.

Quibble: the sin stocks could stay at the same price while the virtue stocks have an inflated price.

> Put simply, if the virtuous are not raising the cost of capital to sinful projects, what are they doing? How are they actually affecting the world as they wish to? If the cost of capital isn’t also an expected return, what is it? This might be a painful reality to swallow for the virtuous. To get precisely what they want, which is less of the bad stuff occurring, they have to pay the sinful investors in the form of a higher expected return. 16 Importantly, this isn’t an accidental byproduct of ESG investing. It’s the only way all this really matters one drop to the central issue – how much bad stuff happens. If the discount rate used by sinful companies isn’t higher as a result of constraints on holding sinful stocks then there was no impact. And, if the discount rate on sin is now higher, the sinful investors make more going forward than otherwise.

There's also a good section, earlier on, about how you can't get an advantage by constraining your investing (b/c, if it's an advantage, the unconstrained investor will do the same thing). So it's ridiculous to claim virtue investing gives you equal or better returns. (That's true mathematically, but one could claim there is a market failure where most people aren't recognizing the long run advantages of virtuous companies, so investing in them gets you better returns compared to unconstrained investing combined with foresight errors. In other words, virtue investing is what *you* would do if you did unconstrained investing, but not what the *typical* person would do, because you're smarter than them.)

All these points are pretty much independent of whether you conflate virtue with leftism/environmentalism/SJWism (as "ESG" investing commonly does) or not.

Anonymous at 7:03 PM on July 23, 2018 | #10384 | reply | quote


Obama, like many "leaders", has no real control over what he says publicly or what the leftist agenda is. In 2003, he tried saying we should do more to promote marriage in order to reduce gun violence. He got attacked from the left and shut up about it. He's a panderer and trend-follower.

Anonymous at 7:25 PM on July 23, 2018 | #10386 | reply | quote

Tucker: Washington not worried about male wage crisis


Yes there are flaws here (some of the concerns about automation in factories and self-driving cars, as a threat to male jobs). But there are important points here too.


Tucker: Obama pushed idea that girls thrive when men fail


Using facts, Tucker challenges anti-male sexism.


Tucker: Why men need marriage, fathers at home



Tucker: Illegal immigrants, robots ganging up on men?



Tucker is trying to help America. Thanks, Tucker.

Anonymous at 7:38 PM on July 23, 2018 | #10387 | reply | quote


Documentaries about Greece are generally nice. Most of this one is pretty good.

It has a huge inaccuracy, though. It presents all the Greeks including the Athenians as being equally bellicose, and presents Athens as starting the Peloponnesian War, abruptly, because Pericles wanted more power and glory for Athens. wtf?

Anonymous at 9:11 PM on July 23, 2018 | #10388 | reply | quote

People are so concerned with correlations and think that correlations speak for themselves. This is connected with induction, which basically says the data can speak for itself.

Inductivists and correlationists both make the same mistake of paying selective attention to some particular patterns/data/whatever, and some particular possible cause, without much thought to the infinitely many alternatives.

Another related issue is "the future (likely) will resemble the past". This inductivist motto is also a standard part of believing a correlation in the past will hold in the future. Actually, the future always resembles the past in some ways and differs from the past in other ways, and it takes thought (including explanations and criticisms) to figure out which are which.

curi at 9:16 PM on July 23, 2018 | #10389 | reply | quote

iPhone X vs. Macbook (12", not pro or air)

19% of the weight and 49% of the battery power (in terms of actual amount of energy is in the battery, unrelated to how much energy the device uses).

The iPhone X has a much higher battery-to-other-stuff ratio, despite being smaller (the smaller the device, the harder it is to make the CPU and other computer stuff be a small portion of the device).

Anonymous at 9:44 PM on July 23, 2018 | #10390 | reply | quote


Some conservatives have double standards on what jokes they think should destroy people's career. The double standards are compatible with appeasing lefties

Anonymous at 5:19 AM on July 24, 2018 | #10391 | reply | quote


Good deal on widescreen monitor tho some ppl complain of flickering at higher hz

Anonymous at 5:43 AM on July 24, 2018 | #10392 | reply | quote


> A user posting on reddit and in the MacRumors forums has given a detailed account of their findings and attempts to circumvent the throttling previously discovered on the new MacBook Pro 15" models featuring the six-core i9 Intel CPUs.

> The user goes on to explain that one of the internal power limits set for the device may not be appropriate for the power draw of the CPU and identical to previous MacBook Pro models, causing the power delivery chip (known as a voltage regulation module, or VRM) to report an over power condition that forces the clock of the CPU down to scale back power. This sets up the same conditions to allow throttling to occur once again.

> These conditions may be presenting themselves due to the new six-core design of the i9 CPU featured here. While Intel increased the core count of the CPU, they did not increase the thermal design power (TDP), or the amount of dissipated power manufacturers should plan to have to cool for a proper CPU design. This is an issue because this number usually reflects normal usage, and does not account for turbo modes. It's also likely it can exceed the draw of previous four core CPUs given the similarity of clock speeds and process nodes they are featured on.

> A method for tuning this limit is provided in the post, but it requires executing a command manually or via script each time the computer boots, and would likely void the warranty if Apple technicians discovered it. Still, the user posts results of benchmarks showing successive runs with no throttling. Manufacturers will always quote likely reduced component lifetimes if used outside of their specifications, but the results appear stable, and there is no thermal throttling of the CPU, the original suspected cause of this issue.

> This fix will not address total system power draw becoming excessive, such as long sustained loads from the CPU and GPU, but it is possible Apple could issue a fix similar to the one outlined in the reddit post that is stable.

> As for whether this issue is related to the hardware design of the MacBook Pro, that is possible as well. While iFixit's complete teardown of the current 15-inch MacBook Pro is not yet available, the previous teardown reveals significant differences in the VRM chips that power the GPU and CPU of the device.

> GPU power components

> The GPU power components seen above are on the top side of the logic board near the GPU die, and thermal grease can be seen on the components, indicating that they interface with the heatsink in the device. This is in contrast to the same components for the CPU, which are featured on the rear side of the logic board with no thermal interface to the top of the package, as seen below.

> CPU power components

> Additionally, the publicly available data sheets for these parts indicate more differences that suggest their thermal profiles will be different. The International Rectifier part for the GPU features a lower thermal resistance, meaning it can better dissipate its heat to the surrounding areas (board, air, heatsink) than the Intersil part for the CPU. Additionally, it boasts a higher power efficiency, meaning it dissipates less power itself to deliver the same amount of power as the Intersil part.

> Along with the heatsink path provided for the IR parts, it's clear they will not be capable of driving the same amount of load in any sustained mode. This makes sense given GPUs can see high loads for longer periods, but this could be an area of improvement for future MacBook Pro models from Apple, especially since it has typically chosen GPUs with very similar thermal design power limits (TDPs) to the CPUs in its MacBook Pro line.

Anonymous at 7:49 AM on July 24, 2018 | #10393 | reply | quote


> Good deal on widescreen monitor tho some ppl complain of flickering at higher hz

Good price but brightness on monitor is kinda low. Much lower than iMac 5k display

Anonymous at 8:11 AM on July 24, 2018 | #10394 | reply | quote

> https://vdare.com/articles/conservatism-inc-s-fawning-response-to-james-gunn-scandal-reveals-where-its-true-loyalties-lie

> Some conservatives have double standards on what jokes they think should destroy people's career. The double standards are compatible with appeasing lefties

Oh shit. So I'm reading along and it's like the Never Trumper attacked Roseanne but defends the leftist who wrote *much* nastier tweets. And SE Cupp too. OK, whatever. Awful people being awful.

Then next it's Ben Shapiro!

> Minicon Ben Shapiro, another opponent of Trump during the primaries, is also among Gunn defenders. Shapiro acknowledged Gunn’s tweets were “loathsome” but said “that doesn’t mean he should have lost his job at Disney”. [Should James Gunn have lost his job at Disney? Daily Wire, July 20, 2018]

> Roseanne, however, was different: “Roseanne played herself in the series, so when she made a new racist reference about Valerie Jarrett, her persona was inseparable from her character,” Shapiro wrote. “Roseanne was Roseanne.”

Crap, I thought Shapiro was better than *that*. No wonder he no longer works with David Horowitz and Truth Revolt.

Anonymous at 9:26 AM on July 24, 2018 | #10395 | reply | quote


iPhone X resale value is 75-85% of the original price. It's 9 months old. Amazing!

Anonymous at 9:49 AM on July 24, 2018 | #10396 | reply | quote

Bounded and Unbounded Emotions

New article about changing bad emotions: https://rationalessays.com/bounded-emotions

curi at 11:03 AM on July 24, 2018 | #10397 | reply | quote

Rational Essays Site Updates


The sidebar got too full so I put the essay list on the home page (along with a newsletter signup underneath). I'm open to suggestions about a better site layout.

curi at 11:30 AM on July 24, 2018 | #10398 | reply | quote

I couldn't convince them of anything. But I was totally calm throughout as they attacked me. It felt awesome.

ff at 11:35 AM on July 24, 2018 | #10400 | reply | quote

Its funny how aggressive they get even if you agree with them on many issues. They want you to fully submit to them.

ff at 11:41 AM on July 24, 2018 | #10403 | reply | quote

#10399 When I hover my mouse of one of their names, info about them pops up. This is normal on twitter (not mobile). Example:

But it won't show up when I hover on Basileus. FF, is twitter screwing with your account? Also why aren't you following @curi42 ?

Anonymous at 11:43 AM on July 24, 2018 | #10404 | reply | quote

#10404 I follow some people using lists and bookmarks.

ff at 11:48 AM on July 24, 2018 | #10405 | reply | quote

#10404 The hover thing started working. I'd already tried on multiple pages and refreshing multiple times. But now it works. I don't get it.


> I am 100% sure that Basileus has been accused of rape... by the women he raped. It's the only explanation for his fevered worry.

What a nasty comment.

FF, your posts would be better with some quotes of good parts. Clicking that many links (and not really being sure what order stuff goes in or how it started) is confusing and unappealing. Plus the feminists are awful so I don't want to read through what they said, but a few quotes or a summary of what to learn from it could interest me.

Anonymous at 11:50 AM on July 24, 2018 | #10406 | reply | quote


> Some 13.5 percent of the U.S. population -- 44 million -- is foreign born, the highest level ever, and many are not proficient in English, choosing to speak Spanish at home instead.

> A report from the Migration Policy Institute found that 22 percent of the U.S. population does not speak English at home.

Anonymous at 11:55 AM on July 24, 2018 | #10407 | reply | quote

The left is so nasty and hateful.

Anonymous at 12:01 PM on July 24, 2018 | #10408 | reply | quote


ff at 12:08 PM on July 24, 2018 | #10409 | reply | quote


ff at 12:12 PM on July 24, 2018 | #10410 | reply | quote

ff at 12:12 PM on July 24, 2018 | #10411 | reply | quote


ff at 12:14 PM on July 24, 2018 | #10412 | reply | quote

You don't need to write "Image:" in front of your images.


> In every academic study, one of the most common kinds of false accuser is a teenage girl who tells her parents she was raped to avoid getting in trouble. Unwanted pregnancy is sometimes cited by such girls, but the reason can also be trivial; the phrase “missed curfew” shows up with disturbing frequency in these cases. As a rule, it’s the parents who insist on getting police involved. Two different studies have found that almost half of all false rape complaints are lodged by someone other than the alleged victim, usually a parent.

> Another kind of case which evaporates rapidly is that of a person who falsely reports a rape in the hope of getting needed medical care or psychiatric medication; in one study, six of the 55 reports classified as false by a police department in one year fit this description. Like the teens who missed their curfew, these false accusers have no interest in pursuing charges after the lie has served its purpose.

That's plausible. The article seems like feminist propaganda though. It downplays the frequency and consequences of false rape accusations.

Anonymous at 12:23 PM on July 24, 2018 | #10413 | reply | quote

How would FI members deal with these people?

FF at 12:31 PM on July 24, 2018 | #10414 | reply | quote

#10408 Great followups by @patio11

> How would FI members deal with these people?

Why deal with them?

Anonymous at 12:33 PM on July 24, 2018 | #10415 | reply | quote

#10415 Shouldn't people try to burst their bubble? They are thinking they are on the right side and destroying society.

ff at 12:41 PM on July 24, 2018 | #10416 | reply | quote

> #10415 Shouldn't people try to burst their bubble? They are thinking they are on the right side and destroying society.

there are better people to help first, who are more interested in learning/thinking/reasoning/truth. don't try to start with some of the most unreasonable people.

Anonymous at 12:47 PM on July 24, 2018 | #10417 | reply | quote

Why didn't Roark read philosophy? Why didn't he ask for criticism?

Why doesn't he do some of the things FI members do? Why is he too sure of everything?

FF at 12:59 PM on July 24, 2018 | #10418 | reply | quote

> there are better people to help first, who are more interested in learning/thinking/reasoning/truth. don't try to start with some of the most unreasonable people.

There must be something a person would say that you drive them towards the center. Make them reasonable.

FF at 1:02 PM on July 24, 2018 | #10419 | reply | quote

> there are better people to help first, who are more interested in learning/thinking/reasoning/truth. don't try to start with some of the most unreasonable people.

There must be something a person could say that would drive them towards the center. Make them reasonable.

ff at 1:02 PM on July 24, 2018 | #10420 | reply | quote

#10398 What about having broad headings on the side bar that unfold more specific headings beneath them when you click?

oh my god it's turpentine at 1:10 PM on July 24, 2018 | #10421 | reply | quote

#10421 I could do that. There are some downsides, like it involves hidden stuff and people suck at computers, and expanding stuff is an extra step, and once there are more articles it'd require article categories for them all to fit on one page.

I think I'll change "Home" to say "Essay list" or "Essays" so that's clearer.

curi at 1:38 PM on July 24, 2018 | #10422 | reply | quote

#10420 You're paying selective attention to people who are putting effort into not learning from you. 99% of people need to learn a ton. Try to help someone who wants to learn (yourself or others). If we could help the top 10% of people a lot, then there'd be way more people to help the other 90% later.

Anonymous at 1:40 PM on July 24, 2018 | #10423 | reply | quote

> Why didn't Roark read philosophy? Why didn't he ask for criticism?

> Why doesn't he do some of the things FI members do? Why is he too sure of everything?

Rand didn't know everything. The internet didn't exist. Who would Roark have asked for criticism and gotten good ideas from?

Maybe he read some philosophy but he was an architect not a philosopher.

Anonymous at 1:41 PM on July 24, 2018 | #10424 | reply | quote

Anonymous at 1:46 PM on July 24, 2018 | #10425 | reply | quote

that’s impossible, she went to rehab years ago. doesn’t rehab work??

Anonymous at 2:03 PM on July 24, 2018 | #10426 | reply | quote

SNL writer criticizes culture of intentionally unfunny comedy


Apparently people are making programs where they just eg talk about their being queer and getting raped and say it's stand up comedy

Anonymous at 2:51 PM on July 24, 2018 | #10427 | reply | quote


Good video. Lauren Southern tries to talk to some protestors but they won't discuss, they just want to flame her. LS asks for evidence and what they come up with is that she disagrees with them (not joking).

Replying to the video, Count Dankula says:

> Imagine raising a child and showering it with affection, pouring your heart, soul and love into it's upbringing and wishing it all the best of luck in accomplishing great things.

> And then it grows up to be one of these window lickers.

Being an SJW is not a random event. It doesn't just happen to your kid due to bad luck. If you parented better, it won't happen.

Stop sending your kid to be indoctrinated at leftist schools – and forcing him to keep going when he doesn't like it – and making other massive parenting mistakes. Parents are usually responsible for their kids growing up to be awful people.

The occasional murderer, you can blame bad luck. Maybe 100,000 parents all raise their kids to have a 0.0001% chance to be a murderer and you parent just as well as them and get unlucky.

But if and a bunch of other parents raise your kid to have a 50+% chance to be an SJW in high school or college, you're a bad parent. That isn't bad luck, it's you raising a kid who is bad at thinking.

BTW if you live in a gang area, and you have a kid, and you don't have a plan for how to parent different so he doesn't become a gang banger, and he becomes a gang banger ... that's your fault.

curi at 3:41 PM on July 24, 2018 | #10428 | reply | quote

Trump proposes totally free trade with EU but is doubtful they'll take him up on it https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1021909900941815809?s=21

Anonymous at 5:19 PM on July 24, 2018 | #10429 | reply | quote

Professor marks student down for using "mankind", says word is sexist and only refers to men


Anonymous at 4:20 AM on July 25, 2018 | #10431 | reply | quote


> the Obama administration approved a grant of $200,000 of taxpayer money to an al-Qaeda affiliate in Sudan — a decade after the U.S. Treasury designated it as a terrorist-financing organization. More stunningly, government officials specifically authorized the release of at least $115,000 of this grant even *after* learning that it was a designated terror organization.

Anonymous at 12:11 PM on July 25, 2018 | #10433 | reply | quote

Just noticed Roseanne is Rose + Anne.

Anonymous at 12:13 PM on July 25, 2018 | #10434 | reply | quote

Psychiatry is an absolute sham, an excuse to horrifically abuse children:


Anonymous at 6:56 PM on July 25, 2018 | #10436 | reply | quote

Another great patio11 tweetstorm. This one is talking to his bank about buying US currency. https://twitter.com/patio11/status/1022321992312078336

Anonymous at 9:44 PM on July 25, 2018 | #10437 | reply | quote

Libs sometimes act as if the following were true: if there was ever any racist argument for a policy then the policy is bad.

But they are inconsistent.

Like there used to be racist arguments for favoring certain countries in immigration quotas so that's supposed to be bad.

But gun control had a racist element to it in US history but somehow isn't tainted as a policy..

Anonymous at 11:48 PM on July 25, 2018 | #10438 | reply | quote



Hoplite (iOS, Android) is a great strategy game. It's designed well to make combat interesting. You choose some special powers and fight 4 types of enemy. You have limited ability to kill things at long range so you have to dodge around a lot and approach intelligently.

I played a bunch a few years ago. He improved the game balance and added new challenge levels. I think he generated thousands of them with software to make a random 3 levels + different set of special powers.

I got to very high level before using protection (can only take one damage per turn, IIRC) and longer range jump (4 instead of 2). he nerfed those hard (protection removed entirely, and the jump distance reduced to 3). he also nerfed the other protection ability i used, shielding bash.

the game balance is better and fairer now. here's my current idea about the best build for the regular game:

slash jump (1), agility (2), 5range beam (2+1+2), swift jump (3), mighty bash (1), reaction (1), bloodlust (2), energy (1) = 16 cost (2 hearts left).

you start with 3 hearts and get 15 shrines to pray at (= 18 points max). each one gives you either a heart or a power (and some powers subtract hearts, e.g. agility takes away 1 heart and also you're giving up a heart by choosing it instead of a heart, so the overall cost is 2).

it'd be nice to have 3 hearts and reduced shield bash cooldown. but i don't know what else to drop. i was using shielding bash before but i found mighty bash + reaction is better than shielding bash level 2, then i found 5range beam is better than level 1 of shielding bash.

the most optional stuff in my build is mighty bash and the mana talents. i think reaction is really necessary if you don't have shielding bash. in my current game right now i'm missing bloodlust so i have 4 hearts. it's hard to get the exact build you want cuz sometimes the shrine you need doesn't spawn. i've been doing alright but i think the extra 6 mana per kill would be good. i think it's significantly better than the +20 max energy.

i choose the slash jump talent thing over deep lunge b/c it makes a lot more leaps kill something. the way it works is you get one kill (often with beam) and then you do a leap that kills something, and then you use the free action from leaping to get a third kill to trigger agility to get another free action.

so it's like: beam, leap, free action, free action (the leap and first free action have to kill stuff). this is really powerful and lets you get some kills safely without getting hit, even when there are lots of ranged enemies. range 5 beam means you have as much range as the enemies, so if you shoot in a direction you're always safe from that direction instead of leaving one ranged guy who was out of range and can shoot back.

mighty bash makes you go back 2 squares from reaction with you do a bash. this is bad sometimes but often it helps you get to safety. i think it's good overall. and knocking bombs (or enemies) forward 2 squares is usually better than 1.

another big thing is you can leap to where ranged enemies can hit you and then beam them with the free action. without swift leap, you can't take the initiative to approach them. being able to take the initiative is really important. if you start a level by playing passive, it's risky. sometimes the ranged people will just point everywhere and you'll get in trouble. if you start clearing some guys out immediately before they all converge on you, then it's safer.

curi at 1:23 AM on July 26, 2018 | #10439 | reply | quote

Anonymous at 10:14 AM on July 26, 2018 | #10440 | reply | quote

Company already working on senescent cell clearance starts a spin-off targeting cancer https://www.fightaging.org/archives/2018/07/oncosenx-is-the-oisin-biotechnologies-spinoff-targeting-cancer/

Anonymous at 11:06 AM on July 26, 2018 | #10441 | reply | quote

#10441 Odds they save me? Assume I would die of old age at 90 and i'm currently 42.

Anonymous at 12:43 PM on July 26, 2018 | #10442 | reply | quote


> slash jump (1), agility (2), 5range beam (2+1+2), swift jump (3), mighty bash (1), reaction (1), bloodlust (2), energy (1) = 16 cost (2 hearts left).

I got this exact build this time (sometimes you get the wrong prayers – especially sometimes wizard beam isn't available on level 8 and then you just have to reset i guess. or try a build with the ability to teleport to your spear? i think recalling your spear to your hand and plant spear are awful, but teleporting has some potential. it's hard to kill of it without being able to lunge with no spear though).

I'm around level 40. I've been hit twice. One of them could have been avoided if i had shielding bash level 1. i forget what the other one was. i might have just done it for convenience. you can play more aggressively if you just take a hit, and you heal it when the level ends anyway. i've been avoiding getting hit just as a goal, but sometimes it's just easier to get hit once.

i think i only used greater energy once. i ran through the level aggressively. i probably could have done something else without it.

maybe instead of 20mana and mighty bash, it'd be better to have shielding base level one *and* reaction. reaction is good because the ranged guys generally try to aim at you, so standing still while bashing is bad, whereas moving often dodges stuff.

i'm not sure how bad it would be not to have mighty bash. mighty bash is sometimes bad.

another option is to play with one heart and give up the ability to let something hit you and heal it with the fleece. i think that'd be bad because i could never jump somewhere a bomb would hit me, and i seem to need to do that occasionally. (bombs are one of the bigger threats because they hit you after you jump before your free action, and they can cover a large area that's hard to jump away from).

maybe instead of shielding bash, you just drop +20 energy for a third heart (because the heart is cheaper, so you can keep mighty bash). then you can take an extra hit sometimes and earn it back later. it's sort of like shielding bash but you can only use it once (let something hit you on a level where you already took a hit) until you get a level with no damage to heal back up. running low on energy is rarely a problem with bloodlust. sometimes it is though. i just remembered there was one level where i almost got screwed, in addition to taking a damage (shielding bash would have prevented it), i also got really low on mana that level and had trouble getting kills. i believe a bomb killed an enemy and gave me 6 mana back to just barely let me get a jump back, but i might not have really needed it anymore at that point (i might have been safe already).

i use mana aggressively and i usually regen a ton and it's fine. also being able to use bash instead of retreat (due to shielding bash), or just take an extra hit, would sometimes let me regen extra mana. so i now think the +20 mana talent might be a mistake, and a third heart might actually be better (a third heart isn't amazing either, so this is a close call).

i need to keep going and see how much harder it gets and get more used to later levels. being able to fit shielding bash in would be good but i don't know what else i could drop besides maybe mighty bash. reaction could only be dropped if i got level 2 shielding bash. i guess 5th range isn't absolutely required, it's really nice though.

curi at 2:52 PM on July 26, 2018 | #10443 | reply | quote

skool sux

new vid. skool sux. clips and comments. https://youtu.be/JhIpW4H-3SQ

curi at 7:38 PM on July 26, 2018 | #10444 | reply | quote

Another example of how psychiatry thwarts the rule of law:


> Canada: “Mentally ill” Muslim found “not criminally responsible” for STABBING three soldiers in army recruiting centre, “ALLAH told me to do it”: He is allowed to return to his community. Sickening. http://dlvr.it/QcvsGV

Anonymous at 8:45 PM on July 26, 2018 | #10445 | reply | quote

Horowitz Freedom Center Newsletter writes:

> Congressman Keith Ellison — a good friend of Jew hating, anti-white Louis Farrakhan — is demanding Amazon ban the Freedom Center from selling our books and pamphlets.


prominent dem politicians with no respect for the first amendment.

Anonymous at 8:56 PM on July 26, 2018 | #10446 | reply | quote

Breitbart News liked your Tweet

I particularly liked my tweet, too :)

curi at 9:12 AM on July 27, 2018 | #10447 | reply | quote

RIP free speech and Western values in Sydney.


Anonymous at 9:20 AM on July 27, 2018 | #10448 | reply | quote

HorowitzCenter and more are shadowbanned on twitter.


Anonymous at 10:35 AM on July 27, 2018 | #10449 | reply | quote

Constant Contact shuts down VDare account due to "white supremacy" https://twitter.com/vdare/status/1022910090121277440?s=21

Anonymous at 11:30 AM on July 27, 2018 | #10450 | reply | quote


Stefan Molyneux says "SCHOOL SUCKS". Decent video, especially the first few minutes. He goes off on some tangents and repeats some stuff later on.

Anonymous at 11:52 AM on July 27, 2018 | #10451 | reply | quote

Anonymous at 12:00 PM on July 27, 2018 | #10452 | reply | quote

"I swear by my life and my love it, that I am my brother's keeper, and he is mine"

Anonymous at 12:01 PM on July 27, 2018 | #10453 | reply | quote

> "I swear by my life and my love it, that I am my brother's keeper, and he is mine"

And I'll make him be mine, whether he likes it or not, and no matter what country he's from because I don't want the left to think I'm a racist.

Anonymous at 12:02 PM on July 27, 2018 | #10454 | reply | quote

> because I don't want the left to think I'm a racist.

Or even say it, dishonestly. Do they even think? Do they actually *think* their targets are racists? Can they meaningfully think such a thing given their unwillingness to think about what "racism" is?

These people call you a racist if you say you don't think racial groups (and other groups, e.g. refugees) should get special treatment.

Anonymous at 12:04 PM on July 27, 2018 | #10455 | reply | quote

brooooooooooooo I realised what your problem is.

Anonymous at 12:12 PM on July 27, 2018 | #10456 | reply | quote

It's that you lack the austrian spirit. Die Österreichische Geist.

This is the thing that prevents you from understanding Popper, Mises, Hayek and all those other people.

You just don't get it. You don't understand the culture it all came from.

Anonymous at 12:14 PM on July 27, 2018 | #10457 | reply | quote

#10457 What do I (who?) misunderstand about Popper or Mises?

With Hayek I presume you consider *disliking* him to be misunderstanding. But I like Mises and Popper, so I don't even know what you're talking about.

Maybe you're bad at communicating because you have the austrian spirit instead of the anglo English-speaking spirit.

Anonymous at 12:51 PM on July 27, 2018 | #10458 | reply | quote


> In a culture-war world, it is inescapable that everything becomes a weapon.

Stupid opener. It's kinda like a tautology. In an X-world, X is inescapable.

Anonymous at 1:16 PM on July 27, 2018 | #10459 | reply | quote

kinda interesting article about a semi-right-winger and how he differs from the left he used to be more a part of.


Anonymous at 3:23 PM on July 27, 2018 | #10460 | reply | quote

I want to live in a world where 4.1% is shit. Why can't we have 10%?

Also a world where people don't make such a big deal out of GPD since, as is well know, it's a crappy, misleading, flawed stat. Use some better stats. Or if your only stats are terrible, don't use them and just admit you don't know.

Anonymous at 3:35 PM on July 27, 2018 | #10461 | reply | quote

> Why can't we have 10%?

Cuz of anti-capitalism.

Progress would certainly more than double if we had pretty pure capitalism and minimal government. 10% wouldn't even be that would. There's way more than a factor of 3 loss from the destructive policies we have now.

Anonymous at 3:37 PM on July 27, 2018 | #10462 | reply | quote

Anonymous at 3:55 PM on July 27, 2018 | #10463 | reply | quote

> WORCESTER, Mass. — A freshman tentatively raises her hand and takes the microphone. "I'm really scared to ask this," she begins. "When I, as a white female, listen to music that uses the N-word, and I'm in the car, or, especially when I'm with all white friends, is it OK to sing along?"

> The answer, from Sheree Marlowe, the new chief diversity officer at Clark University, is an unequivocal "no."

> The exchange was included in Marlowe's presentation to recently arriving first-year students focusing on subtle "microaggressions," part of a new campus vocabulary that also includes "safe spaces" and "trigger warnings."


Anonymous at 4:59 PM on July 27, 2018 | #10464 | reply | quote

#10464 shut your mouth, shut your mind, and learn to obey

Anonymous at 5:03 PM on July 27, 2018 | #10465 | reply | quote


Trump sucks at tyranny; has to fight with staff to get even a single reporter banned from WH

To compare, here is some stuff about press relations under Obama:


read the thread there's a ton of examples

Anonymous at 5:27 PM on July 27, 2018 | #10466 | reply | quote

#10466 jeez i read a bunch. this is the worst one:


Anonymous at 5:33 PM on July 27, 2018 | #10467 | reply | quote

> Perhaps the buzziest money-loser of the year is MoviePass, which has upended the film industry by essentially giving away millions of free movie tickets. Until recently, MoviePass members could pay $9.95 for a monthly subscription that allowed them to watch up to one movie per day in theaters, with MoviePass paying the face value of the ticket on a preloaded debit card. Since the average cost of a movie ticket in the United States is around $9, going to just two movies per month resulted in a good deal for the customer, and a loss for the company. (MoviePass has started placing more restrictions on which films its customers can see, perhaps in an effort to trim costs.)

> MoviePass’s business model — which Slate described as “creatively lighting money aflame in order to subsidize the movie-going habits of some 3 million customers” — has turbocharged its growth. And the company maintains that it can make money by striking revenue-sharing deals with theater chains, or charging movie studios to advertise inside its app

Wtf kinda biz model is this


Anonymous at 5:34 PM on July 27, 2018 | #10468 | reply | quote

#10468 lol @ this xoxo comment. i don't think other ppl will appreciate it but i think you will:

> A cinema is attended

Anonymous at 5:36 PM on July 27, 2018 | #10469 | reply | quote

> #10468 lol @ this xoxo comment. i don't think other ppl will appreciate it but i think you will:

>> A cinema is attended

I forgot what this reference is about

Btw https://twitter.com/slickdeals/status/1023007651934945280?s=21

Anonymous at 5:54 PM on July 27, 2018 | #10470 | reply | quote

#10470 dumb, indirect, passive voice. like the username "A Jurisprudence is Performed"

Anonymous at 6:06 PM on July 27, 2018 | #10471 | reply | quote

Anonymous at 8:12 PM on July 27, 2018 | #10472 | reply | quote

Updated Twitter profile. One emoji per thing instead of two. Added MAGA.

curi at 9:29 PM on July 27, 2018 | #10473 | reply | quote

#10473 von Mises hated money.

Anonymous at 5:40 AM on July 28, 2018 | #10474 | reply | quote

#10474 no, he loved money. since you're being pedantic, you ought to remember the difference between money and paper money.

did you have a positive suggestion for a better emoji? there's no gold bar.

Anonymous at 8:22 AM on July 28, 2018 | #10475 | reply | quote

Anonymous at 8:35 AM on July 28, 2018 | #10476 | reply | quote

Standard, good red pill tips:


It's interesting how the guy with the newbie question says:

> I know the correct answer is

and then says the socially-normie totally-wrong blue pill answer.

Anonymous at 9:50 AM on July 28, 2018 | #10477 | reply | quote

#10463 Another indication twitter deleted a lot of bots, not MAGAs. They apparently deleted way more Obama followers than Trump followers:


> Interesting that Obama had about 10xs more fake followers on Twitter than President Trump. Obama lost >3m followers while Trump lost 340K.

Anonymous at 11:27 AM on July 28, 2018 | #10478 | reply | quote

great behind the scenes content from the Overwatch League Finals:


(has day 1 spoilers)

Anonymous at 12:35 PM on July 28, 2018 | #10479 | reply | quote

Anonymous at 6:23 PM on July 28, 2018 | #10487 | reply | quote

Lots of negative words are also used as positive words. They're still used as negative words, too. Examples:

Sick, nasty, bad, ridiculous, disgusting, crazy, insane.


Anonymous at 6:46 PM on July 28, 2018 | #10489 | reply | quote

Ugh. Well, as I've said before, he's on a 4 year clock (NOT 8 years). He really, really, really should have built a wall already. But the end of his term is the hard limit on reasonable patience.

Anonymous at 7:00 PM on July 28, 2018 | #10490 | reply | quote

#10476 Besides making up McDonalds food symptoms, people also do this:

See also, the history of "hysteria" (read Szasz books covering history, like Manufacture of Madness).

Anonymous at 7:04 PM on July 28, 2018 | #10491 | reply | quote


> The problem is, of course, that parents are not the ones who would actually be subjected to my interventions. The children, my patients, don’t get to choose. And it isn’t fair to treat parents’ worry through the vulnerable bodies of their children.


Anonymous at 7:10 PM on July 28, 2018 | #10493 | reply | quote


> Both groups got better. The antibiotics didn’t work any better than the placebos, though. Placebos are highly effective for many conditions, and have been shown to enact neurophysiological change in patients exposed to them. That is, placebos can change your brain. The reason that new drugs are tested against a placebo is precisely because placebos work so well—if a drug is more effective than a placebo, it’s pretty good.

this paragraph sucks

Anonymous at 7:18 PM on July 28, 2018 | #10494 | reply | quote

Risking getting blocked:

Anonymous at 7:20 PM on July 28, 2018 | #10495 | reply | quote

Twitter cut too much off the quote so it's confusing.

Anonymous at 7:21 PM on July 28, 2018 | #10496 | reply | quote

#10495 This relates to an ongoing policy I was thinking about today:

In general, I'm highly responsive to requests, but not very responsive to unstated preferences that people seem to want me to guess and then act on (while they, often, would deny it being their preference, even as they would be upset if I didn't act on it).

I think this is a good policy. I am open to criticism about this policy. But the people who dislike this policy aren't exactly the types to state criticism...

curi at 7:23 PM on July 28, 2018 | #10497 | reply | quote

Anonymous at 11:12 PM on July 28, 2018 | #10498 | reply | quote

Anonymous at 9:32 AM on July 29, 2018 | #10499 | reply | quote


Steve Bannon says:

> “Absolutely. The main two differences between right-wing populism here and in Europe is that in Europe, even my right-wing brothers in Italy, they still look to the state for solutions. The question there is just who controls the state. Here, right-wing populism under Trump, Trumpism, is fundamentally different. It strives to take the state’s long tentacles out of the lives of working citizens.”

Anonymous at 11:12 AM on July 29, 2018 | #10500 | reply | quote


Presuming they give u MacCoins when u get a Big Mac for a dollar using daily app coupon, Big Macs are gonna be the best deal at McDonald's deal at mcdonalds

Anonymous at 5:00 AM on July 30, 2018 | #10501 | reply | quote

Meanwhile, the media are lying about Lakemba:


(Interesting tidbit at the end: Stefan didn't think Lauren going to Lakemba would be productive. He admits he was wrong. But what bad judgment he had in the first place! Good thing Lauren is there to be the brains of the operation.)

Anonymous at 7:32 AM on July 30, 2018 | #10503 | reply | quote


> Quiz Israel out of existence - and win $50-$100!

> PA TV quiz rewards Palestinians who deny Israel's existence

PA = Palestinian Authority (maybe the West shouldn't fund them!?)

Anonymous at 7:38 AM on July 30, 2018 | #10504 | reply | quote

Maybe I should make pagination for comments. I don't like being forced into a paged view, but it could be a good *option* instead of making a new open discussion post periodically. It could be enabled only if there are 200+ comments, or something like that, and have a "show all" button right next to the page links (which would be at both the top and bottom of the comments section).

Anonymous at 10:16 AM on July 30, 2018 | #10506 | reply | quote


leftist ranting about Trump's victory. interesting. lots of blame on Hillary. says that the polls were wrong because "we" (the left) suppress people saying what they really think. says that lots of Trump voters weren't racists and flaming people doesn't win elections.

Anonymous at 11:24 AM on July 30, 2018 | #10510 | reply | quote

#10510 note the video presents itself as unscripted and off-the-cuff, but it's actually scripted. the speaker is an actor, but also genuinely is a lefty. (in my understanding from doing too little research to know much about him)

Anonymous at 11:28 AM on July 30, 2018 | #10511 | reply | quote

This is an interesting video. It's the same guy from the above video, but in a real interview, unscripted.


He's arguing with a lefty, and he concedes all kinds of false stuff, but he still argues some points about free speech and the use of ad hominem identity politics in debates, and he's *so reasonable* when he challenges the left (they are carefully limited challenges) and the lefty interviewer won't give any ground.

Anonymous at 11:35 AM on July 30, 2018 | #10512 | reply | quote


> We've said it before —we think Apple got hosed by Intel, when they were gearing up for the 2016 MacBook Pro enclosure in 2015. We know that in 2015, Intel was promising delivery of 10nm process Core chips well before now, and even smaller by 2018.

> Coffee Lake is unapologetically still 14nm. Intel hasn't set a delivery target in seven years that it hasn't broken by months or years.


> Regarding MagSafe, we've been testing USB-C for a very long time at this point. On a melamine, Corian, or finished wood desk surface, the force required to pull out Apple's USB-C charging cable is about three-quarters of what it takes to break a MagSafe 2 connection, when the cable is pulled from less than a 40-degree angle from center on the horizontal plane, and less than 30 degrees from center on the vertical.


> Apple's service numbers that we've collated bear this out. MagSafe's introduction in January 2006 halved accidental damage service calls by 2009. There was no change in those numbers for MagSafe 2. But, in the two years since the MacBook Pro was released, there has been no increase in the accidental damage rate at all —and possibly a decrease, but we'll wait another year to fully declare that.

Anonymous at 12:23 PM on July 30, 2018 | #10513 | reply | quote

> Is COBOL holding you hostage with Math?


interesting article on why COBOL is still used, the tradeoffs, and fixed point math.

Anonymous at 1:17 PM on July 30, 2018 | #10514 | reply | quote

Anonymous at 1:48 PM on July 30, 2018 | #10515 | reply | quote


> The Middle East Forum (MEF) has decisively responded to a letter sent by Islamic Relief USA to members of Congress denying allegations made in a recent MEF report – and subsequently cited in testimony before the House Oversight Committee’s National Security Subcommittee – that outline the charitable franchise’s links to extremism and terror.

why does this matter?

> Founded in 1984 in Birmingham, England, Islamic Relief, with branches in over 20 countries, is the largest Islamic charity in the West. It has received at least $80 million over the past ten years from Western governments and international bodies, including the United Nations. It received more than $700,000 from U.S. taxpayers during the past two years. Its officials are members of government advisory panels, while Western cabinet ministers, European royalty, and Trump administration officials speak at its events.

an example of one the issues and what the debate is like, cuz jfc:

> MEF has now published its own response, showing that every single one of IR-USA’s denials is merely a sidestep or deception.

> IR-USA, for example, states that the Islamic Zakat Society (IZS) in Gaza, a key partner of the Islamic Relief franchise, “is widely known for its apolitical stance, and its board members and senior staff have no known affiliation with Hamas.”

> This is simply untrue. MEF’s response notes that IZS’s own website describes itself as “soldiers for Jerusalem,” and calls on Palestinians to “support the family of the martyr” and support the struggle for the “captive Jerusalem.” In 2009, IZS organized a student event at which the keynote speaker was Hamas spokesman Fawzi Barhoum, who declared that students would “return our lands to us” … through “jihadist force.” Top IZS official Hazem Al-Sirraj, meanwhile, is a prominent cleric in Gaza who studied under the Hamas founder Sheikh Ahmed Yassin. In 2010, Al-Sirraj was the keynote speaker at a Hamas conference in Gaza for the “sons of Hamas,” including Hamas “founders, scientists, politicians and academics.”

full details are available at the linked article + the links at the bottom of it

Anonymous at 2:56 PM on July 30, 2018 | #10516 | reply | quote


> The ACLU did a publicity stunt in which it got Amazon's cloud facial recognition service to falsely identify US congressmen as criminals, by matching their pictures against a mugshot database. Amazon points out that machine learning is a probabilistic technology, that the ACLU set the tool to 80% confidence (not, say, 99%), and that the sample image set was biased, all of which is true but also, of course, the point: if you are not rigorous in thinking about what parameters you use and what bias might be in the data set, then you will get lots of inaccuracies. Machine learning is not magic, the computer can be wrong, and one should not take the results of any such system on trust. Equally, of course, claiming as the ACLU does that this is 'flawed and dangerous' is also to miss the point: it's a tool with probabilistic outcomes that you can use or mis-use, and more importantly understand or misunderstand. Link

Anonymous at 3:08 PM on July 30, 2018 | #10517 | reply | quote

unicode has some junk/mistake characters in it.


> You'd think that listing the source would make tracking down the origins of the characters easy, but it's important to clarify what counts as a "source" - one of the more common sources for the ghost characters was the "Overview of National Administrative Districts" (国土行政区画総覧), a comprehensive list of place names in Japan. You might, as I initially did, imagine this to be a kind of atlas, an oversize book with at most a few hundred pages. It turns out the latest edition is a seven volume set with each volume having roughly nine hundred pages. Imagine tracking down a single character without a page reference.


> 妛 was an error introduced while trying to record "山 over 女". "山 over 女" occurs in the name of a particular place and was thus suitable for inclusion in the JIS standard, but because they couldn't print it as one character yet, 山 and 女 were printed separately, cut out, and pasted onto a sheet of paper, and then copied. When reading the copy, the line where the two little pieces of paper met looked like a stroke and was added to the character by mistake.

Anonymous at 4:08 PM on July 30, 2018 | #10518 | reply | quote


I'm finding it very amusing to hear an *analytical* person doing *analysis* of people's looks.

Anonymous at 5:08 PM on July 30, 2018 | #10519 | reply | quote

#10519 oh shit i got to the end and the #3 and #2 were serious, and then the #1 was hilarious trolling.

Anonymous at 5:13 PM on July 30, 2018 | #10520 | reply | quote

the style of *Human Action* (by Mises) is very slow and careful. very anti-*overreaching*. it’s an example of how far you can get while mostly just keeping it simple and not fucking up. he's constantly putting together simple, almost "obvious" stuff, using basic logic, and not straying further into harder stuff. yet he says a lot and corrects so many people.

curi at 5:59 PM on July 30, 2018 | #10521 | reply | quote

#10521 it's a *great* book. a huge achievement. it's long and has a low error rate. most thinkers would have a hard time writing one page with that low an error rate without being boring/pointless, and Mises manages to do it consistently for hundreds of pages that have connections between the ideas (the pages work together, instead of being independent, which makes it harder).

Anonymous at 6:02 PM on July 30, 2018 | #10522 | reply | quote

Mises breaks things down and goes step by step. He also does a good job of organizing the book into sections and sub-sections.

Anonymous at 6:03 PM on July 30, 2018 | #10523 | reply | quote


Yaron Brook attacked Charles Tew. Charles Tew comments.

Anonymous at 9:47 PM on July 30, 2018 | #10524 | reply | quote

Anonymous at 9:51 PM on July 30, 2018 | #10525 | reply | quote

omnipotent government

"Omnipotent government" is a book by von mises about why ww2 started. I've read about 3/4 of it. It's a very good book. Its explains how socialism and interveventionism helped lead to the war. It's a lot better than the work of people who currently claim to represent him at the Mises Institute.

oh my god it's turpentine at 10:15 PM on July 30, 2018 | #10526 | reply | quote

thx for the tip, i'll check if i've read that one or not. i've been rereading Human Action currently.

> It's a lot better than the work of people who currently claim to represent him at the Mises Institute.

aren't basically ALL his books better than what the current "Mises" (Rothbard) Institute ppl can write?

Anonymous at 10:18 PM on July 30, 2018 | #10527 | reply | quote

i don't think i read Omnipotent Government.


> IN dealing with the problems of social and economic policies, the social sciences consider only one question: whether the measures suggested are really suited to bringing about the effects sought by their authors, or whether they result in a state of affairs which—from the viewpoint of their supporters—is even more undesirable than the previous state which it was intended to alter. The economist does not substitute his own judgment about the desirability of ultimate ends for that of his fellow citizens. He merely asks whether the ends sought by nations, governments, political parties, and pressure groups can indeed be attained by the methods actually chosen for their realization.

I don't agree with Mises about this. I think economics **can** do this, and *commonly* does, and it's a great, valuable thing to be able to do. But I don't think it's the **only** thing economics and the social sciences can productively deal with and do.

> It is, to be sure, a thankless task. Most people are intolerant of any criticism of their social and economic tenets.

:) @ mises saying it. :( @ it being true

> They do not understand that the objections raised refer only to unsuitable methods and do not dispute the ultimate ends of their efforts.

The economic ideas and objections raised by Mises are helpful for people, like Rand and myself, who *do* dispute their ultimate ends.

I think Mises is mistaken to expect to be judged with such neutrality. His ideas have consequences. Those consequences are good for everyone in the same way Objectivism and TCS are, but I don't agree Mises is fully in a separate category (I can agree his work *partly* is). It's unsurprising for these things to be viciously opposed by people who don't understand them and see a threat.

> They are not prepared to admit the possibility that they might attain their ends more easily by following the economists’ advice than by disregarding it.

Mises is ignoring or underestimating or something the extent to which people have bad ends. Ultimately, in the long run, if they sorted out enough of the contradictions between their ends, and learned enough, and fixed enough of their static memes, and so on, we expect they would settle on Objectivism, capitalism, etc. but they don't know that and they aren't there yet and in the mean time they have all kinds of ends that are bad and which are incompatible with Mises' worldview. Right now they want X and Y. If they understood Mises, they'd stop wanting X, start wanting Z, and learn a better way to get Y. They see this as a threat to X, not a way to help them get X. It sorta is ... but they'd be better off in their own judgment in the new situation. But that's hard to understand.

curi at 10:40 PM on July 30, 2018 | #10528 | reply | quote

I updated the FI book recommendations page by adding this paragraph:

Note: *If you don't like a book, stop reading it*. Ask a question about it, share a criticism, or try something else. If it's too difficult, *stop reading* and seek help or try something else. Reading books you don't like, or don't understand, won't help you. Book recommendations are a *starting point*, but it's up to you to evaluate the book for yourself after you've read some (specifically evaluate its value to you right now, not its value in general).

curi at 10:50 PM on July 30, 2018 | #10529 | reply | quote

Thomas Sowell on Twitter:


> “One of the most pathetic—and dangerous—signs of our times is the growing number of individuals and groups who believe that no one can possibly disagree with them for any honest reason.”

Anonymous at 10:59 PM on July 30, 2018 | #10530 | reply | quote

#10530 oh wtf. it's NOT Sowell. it uses his name, photo and handle, but then admits being a fake in the profile. but that may actually be a quote from the real Sowell.

impersonator accounts should have an indicator that's visible without reading the profile text. really bad of him to do this, IMO.

Anonymous at 11:01 PM on July 30, 2018 | #10531 | reply | quote

Satire can't keep up with reality anymore:


oh my god it's turpentine at 11:22 PM on July 30, 2018 | #10532 | reply | quote

#10532 there's a serious article saying that lesbians should learn to give blow jobs because some women have penises.

Anonymous at 11:49 PM on July 30, 2018 | #10533 | reply | quote

Have any of you read DIM Hypothesis? Did you like it? I read some and got bored. Same with Ominous Parallels. Does anyone know something I'm missing?

Anonymous at 11:55 PM on July 30, 2018 | #10534 | reply | quote

Free iOS camera app (pay attention to instructions)


Anonymous at 6:58 AM on July 31, 2018 | #10535 | reply | quote

> Psychiatry is an absolute sham, an excuse to horrifically abuse children:


> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5992551/Barbara-OHare-opens-abuse-hands-Dr-Kenneth-Milner.html

That report says nothing about psychiatry. What it does say is how easy it was - and to a large extent still is - for child abusers to use the system for their own ends.

Anonymous at 7:46 AM on July 31, 2018 | #10536 | reply | quote

Ryan Waggoner email newsletter today begins:

> Hi there,

> When I was a teenager, my dad used to say that nothing good happens after midnight.

> I know, he sounds fun, right?

> But in this case, he was correct, because enrollment for Freelance250k closes tonight at midnight :)

How can such transparent and stupid social crap work on people?

Anonymous at 8:54 AM on July 31, 2018 | #10537 | reply | quote


> Belgian funded PA school still named after terrorist mass murderer

> PA ignores Belgian demands to change name, yet Belgian funding of the PA continues unabated

Anonymous at 8:55 AM on July 31, 2018 | #10538 | reply | quote

Anonymous at 9:46 AM on July 31, 2018 | #10539 | reply | quote

> #10532 there's a serious article saying that lesbians should learn to give blow jobs because some women have penises.


Anonymous at 10:33 AM on July 31, 2018 | #10540 | reply | quote


> “Educational institutions have the requisite expertise and the right to make the inherently academic judgments on how to set criteria for their student admissions and in particular, what kind, quality, or extent of diversity will best enhance the educational experience of students and allow those students to flourish,” they wrote. “It would be an extraordinary infringement on universities’ academic freedom to decree that institutions of higher education cannot consider race at all in seeking to obtain that diversity,” they said.

Racist universities explicitly rejecting a race-blind, skin-color-blind approach to dealing with people.

Anonymous at 11:09 AM on July 31, 2018 | #10541 | reply | quote


> Thanks to the pioneering work of Paul Meehl (and follow-up work by Robyn Dawes), we have known since at least the 1950s that very simple mathematical models outperform supposed experts at predicting important outcomes in clinical settings.

Anonymous at 1:17 PM on July 31, 2018 | #10542 | reply | quote

> A few months ago, VDARE.com Editor Peter Brimelow asked me if I might review neoconservative #NeverTrumper Jonah Goldberg’s new book, Suicide of the West. I value my free time highly, so I was pretty dubious—Jonah Goldberg, who has been a media-touted professional token Conservative for all of my life (he’s Gen X, I’m Gen Y), has never to my knowledge said anything interesting, and there are plenty of books I would like to read that are certain to be good. I promptly wrote back to Mr. Brimelow: “I just checked on Amazon and Jonah Goldberg's new book is 464 pages long. I wouldn't be willing to read that for less than a ridiculous sum that I wouldn't accept from anyone to just read a useless book and review it.” Mr. Brimelow dropped the matter after that, and the brilliant Paul Gottfried reviewed it for VDARE.com instead.

> Then, more recently, Mr. Brimelow emailed me a mixed review of the book [Jonah Goldberg’s Burkean Turn, June 26, 2018] by Matt Purple at The American Conservative and asked me again if I might review it. While I am aware of the longstanding tradition of writers shamelessly reviewing books without reading them (two brilliant writers, George Orwell and Joe Sobran, both did this, the former even writing an amusing essay about the practice.), I think this practice is detestable, and hope to never do it. So I replied to Mr. Brimelow: “Ugh. I'd be willing to write you an amusing polemical article-length explanation as to why I am not willing to read/review it. That's the best offer I can give.”

> And incredibly, Mr. Brimelow said “Sure.” So, dear reader, here we are.

lol @ the topic counter offer and it being accepted


Anonymous at 4:57 PM on July 31, 2018 | #10543 | reply | quote


> Mr. Goldberg’s thesis, gleaned from reviews and his endless electronic media appearances, is that the biggest thing (if not the only thing) that makes “the West” great are our Enlightenment/Lockean/Classical Liberal values.

and these values are under attack by the tribalist left and the tribalist right, but good old Mr. Goldberg has figured out the golden mean of non-extremist values. (this is a joke b/c the golden mean is a pre-enlightenment greek idea)

> This argument is retarded because of mankind’s historical record between the late seventeenth century (when Mr. Goldberg marks the emergence of his preferred values), and the 1960s. During these 300 or so years, each and every Lockean, free marketer, Classical Liberal, and Enlightenment proponent was a “tribalist” by Mr. Goldberg’s standards—and “racist” by the standards of basically everyone alive today.

Nah, it's dumber than that.

what about greece, rome, and the renaissance? what about the magna carta?

there were good things before the enlightenment, so ummm yeah...

Anonymous at 5:25 PM on July 31, 2018 | #10544 | reply | quote

I'd like to see the evidence that Burke and Godwin – hell and Mises and Rand who wrote things before 1960 – were racists by *my* standards (me being a person alive today).

Anonymous at 5:34 PM on July 31, 2018 | #10545 | reply | quote

#10543 the stuff you quote is amusing but it's kinda dumb too. he could read that book like 5 hours if he was good at reading (500 wpm). or he could have just read like a chapter, or started reading the chapter until he had enough quotes to yell at, or just skimmed around for interesting parts. with skill, he should be able to get plenty of quotes for an article in an hour (not a proper review article, maybe more of a fisking instead of just excuses for not reading it).

Anonymous at 5:44 PM on July 31, 2018 | #10546 | reply | quote


> The Departments of Justice (DOJ) and Labor announced an agreement Tuesday to work together in cracking down on companies that "discriminate" against U.S. workers by hiring foreign workers.

> The DOJ’s Civil Rights Division and the Labor Department will start sharing information on employers, refer issues to the appropriate officials at each department and offer training to each other’s staff under the agreement.

> Acting Assistant Attorney General John Gore said in a statement that the agreement will help the civil rights division’s “ability to identify employers the favor temporary visa holders over U.S. workers who can do the job.”


> “Employers should hire workers based on their skills, experience, and authorization to work; not based on discriminatory preferences that violate the law,” he said.

> Rosemary Lahasky, the deputy assistant secretary for Labor's employment and training administration, said in a statement that sharing the information “will help protect U.S. workers from unlawful discrimination.”

Anonymous at 6:13 PM on July 31, 2018 | #10547 | reply | quote

#10546 I agree that he could get plenty of quotes for an article with some skill.

Anonymous at 6:33 PM on July 31, 2018 | #10548 | reply | quote

Why do people use Medium?



Judging by a few dozen headlines, ~all articles on major political issues are anti-Trump.

Anonymous at 8:14 PM on July 31, 2018 | #10549 | reply | quote


> In the 1980s, the universities embraced two antithetical agendas, both costly and reliant on borrowed money. On the one hand, campuses competed for scarcer students by styling themselves as Club Med–type resorts with costly upscale dorms, tony student-union centers, lavish gyms, and an array of in loco parentis social services. The net effect was to make colleges responsible not so much for education, but more for shielding now-fragile youth from the supposed reactionary forces that would buffet them after graduation.

is that true? is that new? is that a change that started in the 80's?

Anonymous at 10:00 AM on August 1, 2018 | #10550 | reply | quote


> Tommy Robinson Free – MEF [Middle East Forum, with Daniel Pipes as president] Heavily Involved

Anonymous at 10:19 AM on August 1, 2018 | #10551 | reply | quote

Apple reported earnings and the stock went up 5%. Mac sales were down, probably due to lack of updates to Mac models (MacBook Pros just got updated, but that was after the period reported; more updates will come this fall presumably).

Apple bought back lots of stock contrary to media fears. It has a low price/earnings ratio:


Anonymous at 12:22 PM on August 1, 2018 | #10552 | reply | quote

Netflix made a great Rome show:


I just finished season 2.

It has a narrator and sometimes it cuts to modern scholars saying things about Rome. It's kinda a live action show, but with documentary stuff too. It's a good mix. I like the style.

I also especially liked HBO's Rome show from 5-10 years ago. It was way better than Game of Thrones.

curi at 1:45 PM on August 1, 2018 | #10553 | reply | quote

new reddit SUCKS. it is laggy to scroll up and down on a good computer, probably because of all the autoplaying videos. and compare how much content you can see on one page:



new with mostly non-video non-image posts:

Anonymous at 7:18 PM on August 1, 2018 | #10554 | reply | quote

> Conservatism's Hidden History


this perspective is worth being aware of. but Burke was a liberal. you could call it the reformer liberals vs. the utopian radical liberals.

Anonymous at 2:35 PM on August 2, 2018 | #10555 | reply | quote


> Lyft, Uber, and Via proposed a $100 million fund for underwater medallion owners, but the [NYC] mayor and the City Council said no thanks

Anonymous at 2:38 PM on August 2, 2018 | #10556 | reply | quote

someone humorously imagined what Trump reading the Sarah Jeong tweets at an upcoming Trump rally might be like

(background here http://dailycaller.com/2018/08/02/new-york-times-sarah-jeong-racist/)


> "folks, remember the Mexican rapists? the famous rapists. i say some mexicans that are coming in are rapists, are bad hombres, and that's true, undeniable, and the media, the mainstream media, these lovely people back there *points*

> *crowd chants 'CNN sucks' for 3 minutes*

> ...oh boy, you guys are rough, rough stuff, how do you really feel huh? *chuckles and shakes head*

> Anyways so the famous rapists,


> "Donald Trump said all Mexicans are rapists. Donald Trump said the Russians should hack the emails. Donald Trump Donald Trump*


> ...right? Our fake news, our lovely fake news people, so they go bananas, they go bananas over my statement. But then this lady here, oh boy, I've got it right here

> *pulls several printed pages out of suit pocket*

> I've got it right here folks, oh boy, she's the newest hire for the New York Times. Listen, can you believe this? You're not gonna believe it. Sarah Jong, okay? Ms Jong, what does she say?

> Here's what she says on her tweets:

> 'Oh man, it's kind of sick how much joy I get out of being cruel to old white men'

> *crowd boos loudly*

> Can you imagine? I know, I know, terrible.

> Here's another one from Miss Jong:

> 'Are white people genetically predisposed to burn faster in the sun, thus logically being only fit to live underground like groveling goblins.'


> Amazing. New York Times Editorial board! *Trump waves papers* Was this her resume? Maybe it was her resume!

> I gotta read one more, okay, one more?

> Oh boy I can't even read this one, I see kids in the crowd folks, oh boy, well, I'll kinda reading it, okay? I'll kinda read it and you will get the idea. Not very presidential, but that's okay right?

> 'Dumbass....couldn't avoid that one, sorry, first word, don't know how else to say it....Dumbass f'n white people marking up the internet with their opinions...like dogs peeing and she didn't say peeing okay? but like dogs peeing on fire hydrants.'


> It's a shame folks. And they complain when I call them the enemy of the people!"

Anonymous at 5:17 PM on August 2, 2018 | #10557 | reply | quote

> Netflix made a great Rome show:

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Empire_(TV_series)

> I just finished season 2.

> It has a narrator and sometimes it cuts to modern scholars saying things about Rome. It's kinda a live action show, but with documentary stuff too. It's a good mix. I like the style.

Great recommendation, thanks 🙏

Best part so far for me was when Caesar had a problem he solved by BUILDING A WALL. Then he had another problem and solved it by BUILDING ANOTHER WALL. Very inspirational 🙂

Anonymous at 5:41 PM on August 2, 2018 | #10558 | reply | quote

Context: Jeong wrote very racist, nasty tweets and got hired by NYT.

Anonymous at 10:22 AM on August 3, 2018 | #10559 | reply | quote

Ultimate Sarah Jeong racist tweet collection link:


Anonymous at 8:33 PM on August 3, 2018 | #10560 | reply | quote

Elliot, you should read this:


Anonymous at 5:53 AM on August 4, 2018 | #10561 | reply | quote

Anonymous at 8:34 AM on August 4, 2018 | #10562 | reply | quote

http://geniusfamine.blogspot.com/ says geniuses are like this:

> The Endogenous personality is the ‘inner’ Man; a person whose outlook on life is ‘inward.’ He is inner-directed, inner-driven, inner-motivated; one who uses inner modes of thinking, inner evaluations, in-tuition; one who is to a high degree autonomous, self-sufficient; one who is relatively indifferent to social pressures, influences and inducements.

And also says:

> Geniuses are altruistic, in the sense that their work is primarily for the good of the group; and not for the usual social rewards such as status, money, sex, and popularity.

This is silly. It says geniuses are self-oriented ... and that they work primarily for the good of the group.

These statements occur in close proximity near the beginning.

There are other silly things but I'll skim some more later.

curi at 8:45 AM on August 4, 2018 | #10563 | reply | quote

The quality of most political attacks is so low that Robert Spencer *routinely* gets mixed up for Richard Spencer.

Anonymous at 9:25 AM on August 4, 2018 | #10564 | reply | quote

From: https://yesornophilosophy.com/

> You could propose that knowledge always existed and was never originally created. God is eternal. That's not satisfactory either.

Why is that not satisfactory?

PAS at 12:20 PM on August 4, 2018 | #10565 | reply | quote

GREAT Tucker vid on Sarah Jeong and the racism of the left


Anonymous at 3:41 PM on August 4, 2018 | #10566 | reply | quote

> From: https://yesornophilosophy.com/

>> You could propose that knowledge always existed and was never originally created. God is eternal. That's not satisfactory either.

> Why is that not satisfactory?

The context was the questions:

> *How can knowledge be created from non-knowledge? Where could knowledge come from originally?*

Saying it's eternal doesn't answer those questions. It's like half an answer to "originally" (answer: it didn't – but no explanation of how that's possible or what's going on there), and no answer at all to how new knowledge is created (by human intelligence, by biological evolution, etc).

If your goal is to explain how humans can think of new things like inventing spaceships, or explain where animal eyes came from (with their appearance of design), then saying "God is eternal" does not address the issue.

Anonymous at 5:56 PM on August 4, 2018 | #10567 | reply | quote

#10567 Thanks. I saw this as a variant of the question Christians typically ask about the universe, "Where did the universe come from originally if not God?"

To which my answer has been that we don't know. But God doesn't provide an answer either, since saying the universe came from God just pushes the question back one level: where did God come from?

They (Christians) find "God is eternal" to be a satisfactory answer to where God came from. I get stuck when they say it's satisfactory to them, and I say it's not to me.

I can anticipate a similar result with your answer about knowledge. They'd say something like "God is the explanation of how that's possible or what's going on there". And they'd say God is explained in the Bible, and I'd say it's an unsatisfactory explanation to me and they'd say it's satisfactory to them...stuck.

PAS at 6:36 PM on August 4, 2018 | #10568 | reply | quote

> GREAT Tucker vid on Sarah Jeong and the racism of the left

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reE0Y7psEE0&feature=youtu.be

Tucker the best TV news host? By far?

Anonymous at 9:58 PM on August 4, 2018 | #10569 | reply | quote


I had thee same view about it in the beginning, but the author does not use "altruism" properly. He is only referring to the outcome and not an intention.

Anonymous at 7:29 AM on August 5, 2018 | #10570 | reply | quote

>> GREAT Tucker vid on Sarah Jeong and the racism of the left

>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reE0Y7psEE0&feature=youtu.be

> Tucker the best TV news host? By far?

Who else is even in contention?

Like Hannity is okay but nowhere near same tier.

Maybe Ingraham is good? I haven't watched her show

Anonymous at 8:32 AM on August 5, 2018 | #10571 | reply | quote

From the xoxo archives: The Fall of Github

> not all companies are. github is kind of a tragic tale that's all-too-common in the valley of a well-meaning but naive white dork founder who gets browbeaten by the social justice crowd and continually caves to their demands until they finally decide to devour him.

> It started when some SJWs got upset that he had a rug in his office saying "In Meritocracy We Trust" which they claimed was their justification of 'white privilege' and an excuse for why there were so many white male engineers at Github. So they scrapped the rug and 'pledged to make changes' which really meant making diversity hires in a show of kissing the ring. Then there was this bizarre sexual harassment suit that got brought by one of the diversity hires that was ultimately revealed to be baseless, but by then the damage was done. because being accused of sexual harassment is almost as bad as actually committing it, he stepped down, and now people are claiming this whole thing is actually good for github because they're bringing in 'professionals' to 'clean up' the culture.

> What this will mean is: their best engineers will leave (the cream of the crop left long ago--these guys are very good at sussing out the social justice bullshit,) and the company will cling to life as it's overtaken by competitors. Github will be fine for a while before it begins its downward slide, however, and social justice types will parade around this as demonstrating how diversity/progressivism 'helps' companies.

> This also happened to the CEO of Mozilla (firefox.)


Anonymous at 8:33 AM on August 5, 2018 | #10572 | reply | quote


> Who else is even in contention?

i don't know, not a big TV watcher... i've seen some hannity, he's ok but not as good as tucker. and saw some bill o'reilly in the past, who was ok but not as good as tucker. others are generally awful, though i did largely enjoy stephen colbert's right wing persona (i think it's actually smarter than his real left wing persona).

what about online shows like crowder or levin? any great ones?

Anonymous at 10:14 AM on August 5, 2018 | #10573 | reply | quote

> I can anticipate a similar result with your answer about knowledge. They'd say something like "God is the explanation of how that's possible or what's going on there". And they'd say God is explained in the Bible, and I'd say it's an unsatisfactory explanation to me and they'd say it's satisfactory to them...stuck.

it helps if you get more specific. by what *mechanism* does God explain human intelligence? God created the universe and the laws of physics, and then biological evolution created humans that are intelligent *somehow* (God's role is kinda indirect/limited and doesn't help explain how intelligence works)? God personally/directly created intelligence originally (explains the origins, instead of evolution) ... and then it works according to and within the laws of physics? by being a computer running software? or is God involved in our thinking at all times, and if he disappeared we'd lose our intelligence? like our brains are computers but God is constantly changing some of the data, while it's running, in order to help us get intelligent instead of non-intelligent thoughts, and without that interference our brain software wouldn't work? does God do that for animals too – e.g. for a wolf's purposeful hunting behavior – or only for humans? or is there some other mechanism? or maybe there aren't consistent laws of physics, we live in a magical world where the rules keep changing depending on God's moods or decisions or something, and yet our intelligence seems to consistently work anyway, which is because ... what?

curi at 10:37 AM on August 5, 2018 | #10574 | reply | quote

> Anarchy Breaks Out in Portland, With the Mayor’s Blessing

> A vicious mob targeted the ICE office and even a food cart. The police followed orders to do nothing.

> Andy NgoAug. 3, 2018 5:24 p.m. ET

> Along the trolley tracks behind the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement field office, a biohazard cleanup crew works under police protection. It finds used needles and buckets of human waste simmering in nearly 100-degree heat. The smell of urine and feces fills the block. For more than five weeks, as many as 200 people had occupied the site to demand ICE’s immediate abolition. They’re gone now, but a community is left reeling. Thirty-eight days of government-sanctioned anarchy will do that.

> A mob surrounded ICE’s office in Southwest Portland June 19. They barricaded the exits and blocked the driveway. They sent “guards” to patrol the doors, trapping workers inside. At night they laid on the street, stopping traffic at a critical junction near a hospital. Police stayed away. “At this time I am denying your request for additional resources,” the Portland Police Bureau’s deputy chief, Robert Day, wrote to federal officers pleading for help. Hours later, the remaining ICE workers were finally evacuated by a small federal police team. The facility shut down for more than a week.

> Signs called ICE employees “Nazis” and “white supremacists.” Others accused them of running a “concentration camp,” and demanded open borders and prosecution of ICE agents. Along a wall, vandals wrote the names of ICE staff, encouraging others to publish their private information online.

> Federal workers were defenseless. An ICE officer, who asked that his name not be published, told me one of his colleagues was trailed in a car and confronted when he went to pick up his daughter from summer camp. Later people showed up at his house. Another had his name and photo plastered on flyers outside his home accusing him of being part of the “Gestapo.”

> Where were the police? Ordered away by Democratic Mayor Ted Wheeler, who doubles as police commissioner. “I do not want the @PortlandPolice to be engaged or sucked into a conflict, particularly from a federal agency that I believe is on the wrong track,” he tweeted. “If [ICE is] looking for a bailout from this mayor, they are looking in the wrong place.”

> The mob set up camp behind the building, where they harassed journalists and banned photography. The open-borders advocates also erected an 8-foot wall around their site. I walked through and saw young children, including infants, in squalid conditions and 90-degree heat. Every American flag was defaced. Anarchist and communist flags were unsoiled.

> Stuart Lindquist, the ICE facility’s 79-year-old landlord, visited his property on June 21. “The political powers in the city of Portland have stopped the police from doing what they normally would do,” he told me. When he attempted to drive into the parking lot, occupiers swarmed and pounded his windows. In the commotion, Mr. Lindquist’s car struck someone in the mob, who wasn’t injured. His home address later appeared online, and he says the harassment hasn’t stopped.

> On June 28 federal police mobilized from out of state finally moved to reopen the office. They arrested a handful of people for refusing to leave the ICE office’s front, but the rest retreated to the camp and focused their vitriol on the officers. They repeatedly called a black officer “traitor” and “house n—.” They shouted that they knew where the officers lived, and published more addresses online.

> The same day Mayor Wheeler again pledged not to intervene. In a statement, he whitewashed the lawless behavior: “I join those outraged by ICE actions separating parents from their children, and support peaceful protest to give voice to our collective moral conscience.”

> The Hakes family, which owns the Happy Camper food cart across the street from ICE’s office, responded to the statement with incredulity. The mob “terrorized our family” and forced the business to close, Julie Hakes told me. Ms. Hakes showed me text messages from her 21-year-old daughter, Brianna, who ran the cart. “Just saw a drug deal,” Brianna reported early on. After members of the anti-ICE mob spotted her selling breakfast burritos to federal officers, the situation deteriorated. “Call me immediately!” Brianna wrote after being accused of “supporting the pigs” and “child deportation.” She said people wearing masks threatened to hurt her and burn down the cart, and the police never responded to their frantic calls.

> Randy Glary, a 52-year-old artist and longtime resident, was photographing the camp when he said a group of occupiers knocked his camera into his face. Charles Williams, a 62-year-old man who lives across the street, said someone threatened to stab him with an “AIDS-infected needle.” From his balcony, he saw the “thugs” begin masked street patrols. Others brandished sticks. Lisa Leonard, a 53-year-old disabled resident, said occupiers hit her on her head, disabled her electric wheelchair, and lifted her in the air when she complained about loud drumming. She called police, who took a statement but made no arrests.

> The locals who spoke to me all wondered why the city allowed this and ignored their calls for intervention. Peter Simpson, a public-information officer with the Portland Police Bureau, explained that “at the mayor’s direction, PPB involvement was very limited” until July 25.

> Back at the trolley tracks, the occupiers have been evicted but taxpayers will have to foot the costly cleanup bill. The Hakes family is still trying to recover. Brianna has decided to move out of the neighborhood. “They know my face and car,” she said. Like other residents I spoke to, she expects the mob to return.


Anonymous at 6:22 PM on August 5, 2018 | #10575 | reply | quote


>> Who else is even in contention?

> i don't know, not a big TV watcher... i've seen some hannity, he's ok but not as good as tucker. and saw some bill o'reilly in the past, who was ok but not as good as tucker. others are generally awful, though i did largely enjoy stephen colbert's right wing persona (i think it's actually smarter than his real left wing persona).

> what about online shows like crowder or levin? any great ones?

not that i know of.

if we're including podcasts I'd say Daniel Horowitz is great. His podcasts sometimes run pretty long so he can do like an hour plus on one topic. He goes into lots of detail on issues, history, policy, law, legislation etc. he has guests. he even had JEFF SESSIONS as a guest.

i don't know of any other really solid shows offhand. I haven't watched Levin (was paywalled last time i checked) and Crowder is funny but not super amazing imho

Anonymous at 6:26 PM on August 5, 2018 | #10576 | reply | quote

hey we are getting a new Coulter book soon. that should be good :)


Anonymous at 6:27 PM on August 5, 2018 | #10577 | reply | quote

Anonymous at 6:59 PM on August 5, 2018 | #10578 | reply | quote

#10578 There are lots of good people in South Korea. South Korea has been economically productive. Jeong doesn't represent it. Culturally, isn't she more of an *American* leftist than anything distinctively related to Korea?

Anonymous at 9:03 PM on August 5, 2018 | #10579 | reply | quote


Ray Cathode writes:

>> Popper had a mistaken view of the nature of induction. In essence, he tried to argue that inductions are formed by the observation of regularity in nature., i.e. the sun has risen each and every morning of my life so it should rise again tomorrow. That is not how induction works, induction works by identifying the causal reasons that the sun appears to rise each morning, i.e. the rotation of the earth on its axis relative to the sun - it is the discovery of that cause, that enables us, ceteris paribus, to be certain that the sun will rise . Also, rejecting induction is the rejection of any kind of knowledge. It is induction, after all, that provides the premises for deductive arguments. Induction is the means by which our perceptions are formed into concepts and then into propositions.

>> I would like to know what you believe is missing in Objectivism, if that is your claim.

curi replies:

> Popper said there are many variations on induction. He directly addressed more than one, and he also gave multiple arguments covering the general themes of inductive errors. You propose induction works by identifying causality. This is a major break with what "induction" has meant in the history of philosophy. You do not say by what method you propose identifying causality, nor why you regard that method as inductive specifically. Saying that you identify causality by induction wouldn't cover what you do – what the steps are, how it's done, or how it avoids the logical problems that make other attempts at induction impossible that Popper explained.

> Ayn Rand wrote almost nothing about induction, and said she didn't have a solution to some of the problems with it. I don't know what work by some other Objectivist thinker you believe both addresses Popper (with quotes and details, showing understanding of what the problems Popper brought up are, and how to address them, as well as commenting on Popper's positive epistemology) and also provides a clear explanation of specifically how induction works and how to do it.

curi at 9:06 PM on August 5, 2018 | #10580 | reply | quote

Apple Censorship


> Apple’s (AAPL) iTunes has become the latest to say no to Alex Jones. The service has pulled down all of his podcasts and most offered by his network, Infowars. Apple hasn’t publicly explained the move, but Facebook recently suspended his profile for bullying and hate speech.

Anonymous at 1:38 PM on August 6, 2018 | #10581 | reply | quote

Leffen won evo. Interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FvuePsWS-c

Anonymous at 9:32 PM on August 6, 2018 | #10584 | reply | quote


> I updated the FI book recommendations page by adding this paragraph:


> Note: *If you don't like a book, stop reading it*. Ask a question about it, share a criticism, or try something else. If it's too difficult, *stop reading* and seek help or try something else. Reading books you don't like, or don't understand, won't help you. Book recommendations are a *starting point*, but it's up to you to evaluate the book for yourself after you've read some (specifically evaluate its value to you right now, not its value in general).

Thank you for adding this. I think it'll make a big difference.

anonymous at 5:00 AM on August 7, 2018 | #10585 | reply | quote


> Also curious: Apple only removed Infowars from their podcast directory — the Infowars app remains in the App Store. Different standards? Seems hard to justify de-listing the podcasts for “hate speech” but leaving the app in place when it contains the same content.

DF said something true and notable instead of something evil and leftist :)

Anonymous at 10:02 AM on August 7, 2018 | #10586 | reply | quote


> Google Releases Android 9 Pie as Previous Oreo Release is Installed on Just 12% of Devices

Anonymous at 10:03 AM on August 7, 2018 | #10587 | reply | quote

Leaving the Infowars app was apparently intentional, see:


looks like apple claims ToS violation on the podcasts but didn't see a ToS violation for the app.


> Apple has been clear that it takes its guidelines seriously, with Eddy Cue stating at South by Southwest last spring that "we do think free speech is important, but we don't think white supremacist speech or hate speech is free speech that ought to be out there."


Anonymous at 10:06 AM on August 7, 2018 | #10588 | reply | quote


currently the top group of stories:

Anonymous at 10:07 AM on August 7, 2018 | #10589 | reply | quote


Alex Epstein is starting a new podcast series. This one is about the need for knowledge in life, and the difficulty of differentiating correct and incorrect ideas (there are tons of things where good ideas already exist, you don't have to invent a solution yourself, but there are many contradicting claims and it's hard to know which ideas to listen to).

Episode 1 focuses on *stating the problem* and comments on some examples like nutrition and psychology. It's good. I have lower expectations for future episodes where he gets into solutions.

He's using a Facebook group as a discussion forum for people to talk about this stuff. Meh. I think it means he doesn't want real discussions. He mentions in the future there may be other options like YouTube comments (also not a discussion forum).

I signed up for email notifications of new episodes: http://info.industrialprogress.com/human-flourishing

It's named *The Human Flourishing Project* even though it's about getting correct knowledge. Alex focuses specifically on knowledge that helps people have better lives, which he calls flourishing.

I posted this comment on the FB group:


> The field of philosophy which deals with knowledge – its nature, reliability, methods of attainment, etc – is epistemology. Objectivism offers an epistemology with many good characteristics, but also including induction – which Ayn Rand openly said was problematic and that she didn't personally know the solution. No Objectivist has written a serious refutation of Karl Popper's criticisms of induction, nor of his solution to what to do instead in order to get and evaluate knowledge. This is a major problem and there are no Objectivist discussion forums to resolve it at. (There are similar issues with e.g. Kantian forums, but they also have so many other problems it's overwhelming and it's hard to figure out what to productively do about those clashes.)

curi at 1:20 PM on August 8, 2018 | #10590 | reply | quote


> Extremist Muslim father arrested at New Mexico compound housing 11 starving children was 'training them to commit school shootings' and had set up target practice area on the site

Anonymous at 3:32 PM on August 8, 2018 | #10592 | reply | quote

> Elliot, you should read this:

> http://geniusfamine.blogspot.com/

Looking more:

> Although we will be suggesting revisions and improvements to the scheme, many psychologists currently suggest that personality can best be understood in terms of five essential personality characteristics: these are the ‘Big 5’, which each make a scale between extremes

> our placing on them predicts how we behave.

the big 5 sux

> For example, high Conscientiousness as a child predicts greater success in education and employment; high Neuroticism predicts problems with mood swings, anxiety and depression.

correlation isn't prediction.

these correlations are actually weak.

the correlations are between *scores on certain tests*, given labels like "Conscientiousness", and certain metrics of education and employment success. the metrics are incomplete, and some of them are basically what people self-report on a questionaire (as against better, more objective but still flawed metrics like salary).

> But in summary, the Endogenous personality, necessary for genius, is self-sufficient, indifferent to the opinions of others or normal social aims, being instead wrapped-up in his own personal goals, and making judgements using his own internal, subjective evaluation systems – he will work very hard and for long periods on his own projects, but will not willingly go-along with other people’s plans and schemes. But more on this later…

this is OK but it's not telling me anything i didn't already know. how about you reply now with quotes from some parts you think are good and that i'd want to read.

PS I like this comment by Mises about genius in *Human Action*:

> Education, whatever benefits it may confer, is transmission of traditional doctrines and valuations; it is by necessity conservative. It produces imitation and routine, not improvement and progress. Innovators and creative geniuses cannot be reared in schools. They are precisely the men who defy what the school has taught them.

curi at 4:55 PM on August 8, 2018 | #10593 | reply | quote

Anonymous at 12:05 AM on August 9, 2018 | #10594 | reply | quote

Why no "HTTPS" for curi blog?

FF at 4:48 AM on August 9, 2018 | #10596 | reply | quote

So I had multitwitch open on 4 Overwatch streams, chat closed, went AFK ... and see this the next morning. huh. I wonder if he gave every viewer a free sub or something.

curi at 10:27 AM on August 9, 2018 | #10597 | reply | quote

#10596 https works, you can use it, i just haven't gotten around to forcing redirects to it.

Anonymous at 10:28 AM on August 9, 2018 | #10598 | reply | quote

The tweet is:

Anonymous at 11:05 AM on August 9, 2018 | #10599 | reply | quote

Anonymous at 7:33 PM on August 9, 2018 | #10601 | reply | quote

Peikoff at the Ford Hall Forum, ARI just put up 14 lectures:


curi at 10:02 AM on August 10, 2018 | #10602 | reply | quote

On Twitter, Molyneux claimed interest in TCS crit of his parenting philosophy. So Justin tried posting ot Molyneux's forum.


Anonymous at 12:12 PM on August 10, 2018 | #10603 | reply | quote

I think the wod "moderation" violates the "profanity" filter. i made the title vague and then it posted fine. jfc.

Anonymous at 5:16 PM on August 10, 2018 | #10604 | reply | quote

Anonymous at 5:19 PM on August 10, 2018 | #10605 | reply | quote



> how does this forum work?


> how does moderation work here? is there transparency for moderator actions? if you do anything wrong, do you get it explained to you, or just have to try to guess what's going on? is this mostly a free speech zone, or not? is criticism welcome? are unpopular views desired here or suppressed (the reputation system concerns me)?

> and why is there a filter on what words i can say? it claims to be a profanity filter but my original title did not contain profanity and my post was blocked anyway.

I guess the post will never go up:

At least one of Justin's two posts *did* go up on the forum, then was removed later, without explanation.

Anonymous at 5:22 PM on August 10, 2018 | #10606 | reply | quote

advocating spanking children is a bannable offense. what a way to shut down debate!


Anonymous at 5:28 PM on August 10, 2018 | #10607 | reply | quote

Anonymous at 5:35 PM on August 10, 2018 | #10608 | reply | quote

Maybe now FF will stop praising Molyneux and suggesting Molyneux is any good.

Anonymous at 5:38 PM on August 10, 2018 | #10609 | reply | quote

Succession season 1 has finished. I liked it. It's renewed for season 2.


Anonymous at 7:43 PM on August 10, 2018 | #10610 | reply | quote

Anonymous at 10:55 PM on August 10, 2018 | #10611 | reply | quote

Burglar talking about how he decides where to burgle:


oh my god it's turpentine at 7:40 AM on August 11, 2018 | #10612 | reply | quote

I've moved FI to the google group. The google group is now the primary group. I updated the FI website and both group websites. (I prefer people continue sending to both since the yahoo group has way more people, and for redundancy in case google loses/delays emails.)


curi at 9:24 AM on August 11, 2018 | #10613 | reply | quote

Molyneux sucks:


he DMCAs critical youtube videos and tries to get critical forums shut down.


his wife is a therapist. he went in the vents and listened in on some of her sessions. there was a lawsuit. he admitted this in a podcast, then edited it out of the podcast later.


> Anyone who knows Molyneux's past knows he has no problems nuking critics' YT channels or online forums he doesn't like and then use the excuse of harassment, racism, etc with no proof beyond his accusation.


> Unfortunately, Molyneux often ignores the need to cite his influences or give references. As a result, many of his followers today—who came into FDR as a result of his podcasts—mistakenly believe that most of the ideas discussed originated with Molyneux. Is it plagiarism? Well, Molyneux doesn’t specifically *claim* to be the author of those ideas. He simply discusses them—unattributed—with great passion and lets his acolytes draw their own conclusions.

Anonymous at 10:13 AM on August 11, 2018 | #10614 | reply | quote


> Today, he employs people to patrol his Facebook page, YouTube account, and forum, deleting information and user accounts that challenge his self-proclaimed role as the "salvation of philosophy" and the first man in history to give parents a moral framework for "peaceful parenting."

Anonymous at 10:32 AM on August 11, 2018 | #10615 | reply | quote

Example of me changing my mind in an argument (with Alan, about the implications of the second law of thermodynamics):


curi at 10:36 AM on August 11, 2018 | #10616 | reply | quote

i commented on Alex Epstein's 2nd epistemology podcast:


My process for separating non-knowledge from knowledge includes Paths Forward – always keeping options open so that my mistakes can be corrected by anyone who knows something I don't. Most intellectuals don't do this – there's no organized process for sharing important knowledge with them that they don't know. https://rationalessays.com/using-intellectual-processes-to-combat-bias

I think the approach (from the podcast) of *seeking, validating and integrating* knowledge is mistaken/incomplete because it doesn't cover *correcting errors*. Validating means you find out something is valid, which isn't an *ongoing process of looking for and fixing errors* (nor is it *a process of ongoing improvement*, as Eli Goldratt put it in _The Goal_).

Also, instead of "fake knowledge" I would say "mistakes" (or errors), which is different than non-knoweldge (things where you're neutral, you haven't made a judgment).

About experts, a major criterion I use is: Is this expert asking the questions I would ask (and considering the criticisms that I would) if I studied the issue myself? Is he using the methods I would use? Is he aware of the key knowledge I'd use to check for errors in this area? Is he doing the work for me that I would have done (so he can be a good proxy for me) or not? For example, I won't accept expert ideas from non-Objectivists regarding capitalism because they aren't thinking about it in the way I would have. Also I criticized steelmanning recently at https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/fallible-ideas/conversations/messages/27744

curi at 11:59 AM on August 11, 2018 | #10617 | reply | quote

My post asking how the FDR forum works was deleted too:

See #10606 for the post.

Anonymous at 12:01 PM on August 11, 2018 | #10618 | reply | quote

FF at 8:54 AM on August 12, 2018 | #10619 | reply | quote

Solid price on Bose QC 35 ii at multiple sellers https://slickdeals.net/share/iphone_app/t/11929663

Anonymous at 10:32 AM on August 12, 2018 | #10620 | reply | quote

Thread on the sort of things that offend libs nowadays with a twitter thread about Trump used as an example http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4050057&mc=52&forum_id=2

Anonymous at 2:19 PM on August 12, 2018 | #10621 | reply | quote

My gif is not loading #10619

FF at 2:34 PM on August 12, 2018 | #10622 | reply | quote

#10622 i can see it.

Anonymous at 2:40 PM on August 12, 2018 | #10623 | reply | quote


> Fortnite is launching on Android, some time after iOS. Three interesting things. First, Epic has decided to bypass the Google Play store and get people to side-load the installation direct from its website: this lets it avoid paying Google commission on in-app purchases, but raises a hurdle to installation - it's betting demand is strong enough, which is probably correct (Apple doesn't allow this on iOS). Second, this also encourages pretty unsafe behavior - there will be a lot of people trying to trick users (and a lot of Fortnite players are children) into downloading malware from look-alike sites (which is a major reason why Apple doesn't allow this, quite apart from the 30% tax). Third, Epic estimates that of the >2.5bn Android phones out there, only 250m are capable of running the game. Link

ugh @ these security problems that are going to hurt kids, and how shitty the android ecosystem and community is.

also i'm curious how are you going to play a fast paced shooter on a phone? this is a game where you aim a gun with your mouse and you fight other human beings, not just handicapped enemies controlled by the computer and designed to be easy enough to beat with bad controls.

Anonymous at 3:37 PM on August 12, 2018 | #10624 | reply | quote

Oh hey, Omri got hired by Ted Cruz :)

And took his blog down :(



Anonymous at 5:05 PM on August 12, 2018 | #10625 | reply | quote

you can now add comments=n to the url to limit it to displaying the most recent n comments. example:


it won't stay that way when you go to a new page (click reply, click post comment, etc), but you can bookmark it and load the page faster initially with fewer comments.

curi at 5:31 PM on August 12, 2018 | #10626 | reply | quote

nice feature. Thanks.

guilherme at 5:42 PM on August 12, 2018 | #10627 | reply | quote


+1 👍

Anonymous at 6:15 PM on August 12, 2018 | #10628 | reply | quote

eBooks page updated with formatting and FI archives:


curi at 7:49 PM on August 12, 2018 | #10629 | reply | quote

South Africa is gonna take white farmer land without compensation

>Another person who gave testimony said: "We are going to take the land, even if it means we're going back to the dark ages. This country must be African. We are African."


Anonymous at 2:44 AM on August 13, 2018 | #10630 | reply | quote

Ancient Roman criminal punishments could be brutal https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poena_cullei

Anonymous at 7:48 AM on August 13, 2018 | #10631 | reply | quote

Anonymous at 1:06 PM on August 13, 2018 | #10633 | reply | quote

> Democrats have more positive view of socialism than capitalism https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/08/13/gallup-democrats-prefer-socialism-to-capitalism/

The ignoramuses should read Mises.

Anonymous at 1:19 PM on August 13, 2018 | #10634 | reply | quote

Cicero talking in historical fiction novel Imperium: A Novel of Ancient Rome (Cicero, #1)

>Sometimes," he said, summing up the discussion with an aphorism I have never forgotten, "if you find yourself stuck in politics, the thing to do is start a fight--start a fight, even if you do not know how you are going to win it, because it is only when a fight is on, and everything is in motion, that you can hope to see your way through.

Anonymous at 1:41 PM on August 13, 2018 | #10635 | reply | quote

> Cicero talking in historical fiction novel Imperium: A Novel of Ancient Rome (Cicero, #1)

>> Sometimes," he said, summing up the discussion with an aphorism I have never forgotten, "if you find yourself stuck in politics, the thing to do is start a fight--start a fight, even if you do not know how you are going to win it, because it is only when a fight is on, and everything is in motion, that you can hope to see your way through.

Reminds me of this article especially rules 1+ 3 https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/270456/trumps-5-rules-ruling-world-daniel-greenfield

Anonymous at 4:22 PM on August 13, 2018 | #10636 | reply | quote

Anonymous at 4:22 PM on August 13, 2018 | #10637 | reply | quote

xoxo has some of the best one liners on the internet

thread title (no real content in thread as of now):

*"What My 'Knockout Game' Experience Taught Me About My Unconscious Bias" (Vox)"*


Anonymous at 5:47 PM on August 13, 2018 | #10638 | reply | quote


Another good one, mocking lack of wall progress:

**Trump: Don't you see? The wall was inside you all along!**


Anonymous at 6:30 PM on August 13, 2018 | #10639 | reply | quote

Etymology is interesting https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_censor

> The censor was a magistrate in ancient Rome who was responsible for maintaining the census, supervising public morality, and overseeing certain aspects of the government's finances.[1]

> The power of the censors was absolute: no magistrate could oppose their decisions, only another censor who succeeded them could cancel it.

> The censors' regulation of public morality is the origin of the modern meaning of the words "censor" and "censorship".[2]

Anonymous at 5:20 AM on August 14, 2018 | #10640 | reply | quote


> Pellegrino: Right now, it is only a platform of governing principles and rough political goals. Our purpose is twofold: First—and if we achieve only this, we’ve achieved a lot—we want to help people to think about politics in a way they haven’t before. In the main, people think of politics as two or more opposing sides clashing in debates over social problems, with the purpose of the debates being to achieve a compromise solution. This compromise is supposed to represent the “moderate” and thus “rational” approach to solving the problem. People familiar with Objectivism know that a compromise can take place only between parties who agree on essentials or ultimate goals. When the parties agree on essential aims, the haggling is merely over details or means of accomplishing those goals.

> This, of course, is the lay of the political landscape right now: Two parties, in essential agreement about the proper functions of government, are haggling over how the government should achieve its ends. They agree that government should control the economy, control people’s lives, and make people and businesses give their “fair share” to society. They disagree only on matters of degree and on the particular means to these ends. They argue over whether individuals should be controlled by the federal or state governments—in the bedroom or the boardroom—in health care or investments. They disagree over how government should redistribute wealth—in the traditional ways, or in newfangled ways. And, agreeing on essentials, they come up with all sorts of ideas and programs for controlling people and redistributing wealth. They never question the premise that this is what government should do. That’s an unchallenged absolute. The only questions are how and to what extent should government interfere and redistribute.

This ignores Trump's promise to drain the swamp, and Cruz's more extreme and specific promises along similar lines like abolishing the IRS and various other government agencies that Cruz specifically named. And I think Trump has actually followed through on repealing 2 laws/regulations for each new 1, or something like that, right?

So it's just not true about everyone agreeing on essentials – unless you're calling Trump and Cruz liars, which would require further elaboration (especially about their actions that *are* in line with their rhetoric). There are prominent Republicans who advocate smaller government and more freedom.

Anonymous at 6:08 PM on August 14, 2018 | #10642 | reply | quote

20 years of iMac 🖥 🎂 🍰 🎁 🎊 🎉 🎈


Anonymous at 3:49 AM on August 15, 2018 | #10644 | reply | quote

Trying another subreddit (maybe):


> For sound-bite level of discussion:

> the dems are the party of the KKK

> the nazis were statist, anti-capitalist, anti-liberals and the German socialist workers were voluntary, loyal nazi soldiers.

> the U.S. "conservatives" are the real liberals – in favor of freedom, capitalism, limited government, non-revolutionary reform.

> If you want to get into more detail, then the left/right political spectrum isn't good enough because people's political views are way more complex than just choosing a spot on one (or a few) spectrums.

> the best book on the Nazis, history of WWII, and the relevant economics and ideologies is *Omnipotent Government* by Ludwig von Mises https://mises.org/library/omnipotent-government-rise-total-state-and-total-war (who is also, in general, the best author to teach people what "liberal" actually means)

curi at 8:39 AM on August 15, 2018 | #10647 | reply | quote

#10647 I fear I will get ignored because the thread is a day old and already has 50 comments. I found it because it's currently in the top 10 on the IDW subreddit main page.

Even if I get responses from a few more interested/active users, I think most people will never see our discussion.

This is stupid and is maybe reddit's big problem. Discussions die so fast. (Also reddit locks all threads after 6 months, so it can't be used as a long term forum.)

curi at 8:43 AM on August 15, 2018 | #10648 | reply | quote

Wow, Robert Spencer (Jihad Watch blog) got kicked from Patreon because of political bias by *Mastercard*, not by Patreon themselves (at least Patreon was willing to publicly claim this):



Anonymous at 11:05 AM on August 15, 2018 | #10649 | reply | quote

#10647 Followups:


>>> the U.S. "conservatives" are the real liberals – in favor of freedom, capitalism, limited government, non-revolutionary reform.

>> I can see how that might be the case but you'd have to seperate "conservatives" from "republicans" in order to separate some of the religious right that have very illiberal views. The terms tend to get confusing, I've always considered myself a progressive, and in many ways I probably am, but I think "Classical Liberal" might be closer to my views. But THAT gets confused with libertarian, which I am not.

>> edit: Pinging /u/hossmcdank one of my favorite people when it comes to looking at different ideas without the freak outs.


>> in order to separate some of the religious right that have very illiberal views.

I don't think that's a significant force in US politics today.

> For example, I would consider Ted Cruz to be a prominent, religious, right-wing politician. I don't think he has very illiberal views. And in the 2016 republican primary debates, the other important candidates were less religious and less right wing than Cruz. Do you have in mind some other people (who?) who are more religious than Cruz and significantly different? Or do you have some major objections to Cruz that you think make him illiberal?

> Also, what do you dislike about libertarianism if (as I think you may be implying?) you're in favor of freedom, capitalism, and limited government?

curi at 2:02 PM on August 15, 2018 | #10650 | reply | quote

I posted criticism of a paper by Sam Harris and some coauthors related to brain scanning religious and non-religious people. I got a Change My View delta (gold star for changing someone's mind about something) and it gave me a wiki to list them:


That's cool that it can keep a list.

Here's what I wrote:


curi at 4:07 PM on August 15, 2018 | #10651 | reply | quote

> “A random guy on Twitter with a few thousand followers, Landon Simms, tweeted on Sunday night:

> "My grandfather is a 96-yr-old German. When seeing Antifa videos, he shakes his head and says; 'We didn't think it could happen in Germany either. These people (Antifa) act and sound like the NAZI party's Sturmabteilung. Stop them now or you'll regret it.'"

> In short order, Simms' tweet had gotten a Kardashian-level number of retweets, well surpassing CNN's average viewership. (And you wonder why the left is fixated on ending free speech on the Internet.)

> Simms’ grandfather didn’t see any of the antifa videos on TV – the media showed only antiseptic clips carefully washed of any untoward behavior. But videos were all over the Internet. (Again, you see why the left wants to shut down free speech on the internet.)”



via Instapaper

Anonymous at 5:28 PM on August 15, 2018 | #10652 | reply | quote

Omnipotent Government: The Rise of the Total State and Total War, by Ludwig von Mises, 1944:

> Actually there have been in these last years all over the world two main political parties: the anti-Fascists, i.e., the friends of Russia (communists, fellow travelers, self-styled liberals and progressives), and the anticommunists, i.e., the friends of Germany (parties of shirts of different colors, not very accurately called “Fascists” by their adversaries). There have been few genuine liberals and democrats in these years.

Lots of relevance to antifa today.

curi at 6:21 PM on August 15, 2018 | #10653 | reply | quote

Anonymous at 7:18 PM on August 15, 2018 | #10654 | reply | quote

Good info on media bias where they won't use terms like "right wing" when talking about politics in Muslim countries.


Anonymous at 7:37 PM on August 15, 2018 | #10655 | reply | quote

The shame of the left

#10652 Yeah I'd say I am on the left but I am baffled at the hypocrisy when it comes to Antifa. I mean these raving lunatics get a free pass because ??? I have yet to see a reasonable answer on why ANTIFA is treated as anything other than actual violent fascists.

Kodheaven at 7:48 PM on August 15, 2018 | #10656 | reply | quote


> Another Report Says Second-Generation iPhone X and iPhone X Plus Will Support Apple Pencil

Anonymous at 9:19 AM on August 16, 2018 | #10658 | reply | quote


> from the time of the U.S. founding until the dawn of the Progressive Era—which was the advent of statism in America—the government spent 3 percent or less of the GDP. It now spends close to 40 percent and is increasing rapidly with no end in sight.

Anonymous at 12:08 PM on August 16, 2018 | #10659 | reply | quote



> We uphold this conviction: Open borders for honest immigrants is an application of the principle of individual rights to those foreign born.

> Consequently, we support open borders for all honest men and women. We maintain that honest individuals have the moral right to choose their country of residence, that the government of a free society must uphold and protect that right, and that, in practical terms, the United States throughout its history has greatly benefited from immigration. Andrew Carnegie, Albert Einstein, Jerry Yang (co-founder of Yahoo), Sergey Brin (co-founder of Google), and numerous other geniuses and/or productive giants were and are immigrants to America; Silicon Valley, for example, is heavily populated with expert, foreign-born engineers. Related, labor force participation rates show that low-skilled immigrant laborers are and have long been among American society's hardest workers. To those who argue that immigrants freeload off of the welfare system, our response is dual: Factually, the welfare state is—overwhelmingly—a problem of native-born Americans, not of immigrants, who generally manifest a superlative work ethic; second, the welfare state must be utterly abolished on purely moral and humanitarian grounds regardless of America's immigration policy.

> Eliminating the welfare state will ensure even further that only those willing to work productively will immigrate to America.

> Expensive background checks to ensure the debarring of jihadists, criminals, and persons bearing communicable diseases are, economically, more than offset by immense productivity gained by welcoming such hard-working immigrants.


Anonymous at 12:32 PM on August 16, 2018 | #10660 | reply | quote

I emailed the following to the American Capitalist Party:

you should have a serious discussion forum for people to discuss your platform and policies, where you or your representatives/proxies answer questions and criticisms. that way if people have doubts or disagreements, answers are available. and if you're mistaken about any of your ideas, those mistakes can be corrected instead of left unaddressed.

there should be some kind of written, predictable, reliable mechanism for getting questions/doubts/criticisms/suggestions-for-improvements addressed and resolved, and realistically this will involve a discussion forum (so e.g. people can post a question and then you can write a canonical answer – on the forum or elsewhere and link to it) and then other people can come along and read both the question and answer, and can also reply with followup questions.

for a fuller explanation of why this matters, see: http://fallibleideas.com/paths-forward

facebook is not suitable for this.

curi at 12:42 PM on August 16, 2018 | #10661 | reply | quote

Solid tucker vid on how radical and evil Dems are now https://youtu.be/cA6bu-1Qbi8

Anonymous at 5:50 AM on August 17, 2018 | #10662 | reply | quote

Meal Services I've Tried

Hello Fresh - Requires the most preparation on your part (too much in my opinion). Worst packing - bigger box than necessary, stuff moves around and cold packs do not stay in position to keep everything cold. Worst shipping to my location - ships via ground, in transit for days in summer heat?!?!

Gobble - Requires less preparation than Hello Fresh but still significant. 15 minute estimate is way too low. Packing & shipping is fine. Recipes can leave out important steps assuming you know to do them (like cut ends off peppers), and/or ingredients can be unclear (2 unlabeled pouches of sauce-type stuff...what is what?).

Both of the above call for the use of more oil than I'm used to or like, resulting in food being too greasy for my taste if you follow the recipes exactly.

Also both of the above suffer from veggie overload: The tendency to have too high a vegetable to meat ratio, and to use uncooked vegetables (ex: salads, or sides that are uncooked). This is also often combined with icky sauces like vinegar based stuff (hate vinegar). Some people like that kinda stuff but I do not and it disqualifies at least half the meals in each service. Some weeks I can't even find one or two meals where I'd eat most or all of it.

Freshly - Have only had one week from them so far but I really like it! The only prep you do is microwave. They're all pre-cooked. It's kinda like a frozen dinner without the freezing, which permits a little more variety in ingredients than you find in frozen dinners. Each meal is in a standard sized tray so packaging is standard (and tight). Everything stays in position and stays cold. Ships ground to my location BUT it's close, so not a problem. Benefits are that everyone in a family can pick something different with no extra prep, prep overall is extremely short and predictable. And NO VEGGIE OVERLOAD.

I like the content (ingredient usage and ratio) of Freshly's meals the best by far. I like the taste of Hello Fresh the best, but all three are pretty close in terms of taste (comparing stuff I actually like). Which is: significantly better than fast food or frozen dinners, on par with mid-tier restaurants and simple home recipes (but more convenient), and below top end restaurants or specialty home recipes.

PAS at 7:14 AM on August 17, 2018 | #10663 | reply | quote

Anonymous at 2:12 PM on August 17, 2018 | #10665 | reply | quote

Anonymous at 2:32 PM on August 17, 2018 | #10666 | reply | quote

Anonymous at 2:45 PM on August 17, 2018 | #10667 | reply | quote

#10663 Blue Apron is similar to Hello Fresh.

Judging by the pictures, Freshly meals look less tasty than Gobble to me. But the convenience factor sounds great. I'll try them sometime. Thanks.

Anonymous at 2:48 PM on August 17, 2018 | #10668 | reply | quote

> The only prep you do is microwave. They're all pre-cooked. It's kinda like a frozen dinner without the freezing

FYI you can now buy lots of things like this at grocery stores like Trader Joe's or Whole Foods. I've tried and enjoyed a bunch from TJs.

Anonymous at 2:51 PM on August 17, 2018 | #10669 | reply | quote

One of my favorites that maybe you'd like, PAS:

Anonymous at 2:55 PM on August 17, 2018 | #10670 | reply | quote

#10670 thanks for the reminder that that exists :D

Anonymous at 3:06 PM on August 17, 2018 | #10671 | reply | quote

#10671 haev you tried TJs meatloaf? it's refrigerated and it's just meatloaf with a little bit of tomato sauce, no sides. very good. you can add your own potatoes, bread, veggies or whatever to go with it.

Anonymous at 3:09 PM on August 17, 2018 | #10672 | reply | quote

#10668 - I guess our tastes are different. Mostly they include less of the stuff I don't like. Seeing a bunch of leaves, or avocados, or other random veggies I don't like instantly makes a meal look non-tasty to me.

#10669 & #10670 - OK on the concept, no on the specific TJ's dinner (mushrooms = deal killer). I like lots of TJ's frozen stuff but haven't found any of their refrigerated stuff I like yet. Haven't tried Whole Foods (they're currently inconvenient to my location).

PAS at 3:12 PM on August 17, 2018 | #10673 | reply | quote

#10673 i have also enjoyed TJs refrigerated lasagna quite a bit

Anonymous at 3:17 PM on August 17, 2018 | #10674 | reply | quote

Regarding my Jordan Peterson videos:


> It's 11 hours long :O

> How about a 15-30 min for the start, most important points?

If anyone wants to give this guy a TL;DR (or TL;DW, I guess), that'd be great.

curi at 4:45 PM on August 17, 2018 | #10675 | reply | quote

Ever heard of this guy, elliot?



*"According to George Johnson, LaRouche sees history as a battle between Platonists, who believe in absolute truth, and Aristotelians, who rely on empirical data. Johnson characterizes LaRouche's views as follows: the Platonists include figures such as Beethoven, Mozart, Shakespeare, Leonardo da Vinci, and Leibniz. He believes that many of the world's ills result from the dominance of Aristotelianism as embraced by the empirical philosophers (such as Hobbes, Locke, Berkeley, and Hume), leading to a culture that favors the empirical over the metaphysical, embraces moral relativism, and seeks to keep the general population uninformed. Industry, technology, and classical music should be used to enlighten the world, LaRouche argues, whereas the Aristotelians use psychotherapy, drugs, rock music, jazz, environmentalism, and quantum theory to bring about a new dark age in which the world will be ruled by the oligarchs. Left and right are false distinctions for LaRouche; what matters is the Platonic versus Aristotelian outlook, a position that has led him to form relationships with groups as disparate as farmers, nuclear engineers, Black Muslims, Teamsters, and pro-life advocates."*

Equating Aristotle with evil? How can someone come to this errenous conclusion?



Anonymous at 9:47 PM on August 17, 2018 | #10676 | reply | quote

Heard of before, but don't know anything about him. From the quote, he seems rather confused. Lots of people are confused. Shrug.

curi at 9:52 PM on August 17, 2018 | #10677 | reply | quote


My comments on the ep, also posted to FB at https://www.facebook.com/HumanFlourishingProject/posts/1952583394805016

- Talking about *access* to real knowledge doesn’t address or acknowledge the issue of *how to resolve disagreements* between ideas.

- In the big picture, the “gap” is always *infinite*. No matter how far you get – 500, 5000, 5 million – there’s always infinity more to go. Potential improvement is unbounded, and finite progress can never get close to or approach the end of an infinite road (on a scale from 0 to infinity, any finite number is always near the beginning). So we must learn to live in a state of ongoing progress (the only alternative is a static life, which is unsustainable – only ongoing progress is sustainable in the long run because new problems are inevitable). See David Deutsch’s book *The Beginning of Infinity*, which is named for this issue (and makes the point about sustainability). http://beginningofinfinity.com

- Keeping in mind positives in an appropriate, objective way – and feeling appropriately positive – is something that one should *automate*. Like most skills, one should put conscious attention into it at first while learning it, and should go through organized the steps and practice it. But after a while it should become second nature and rarely need much conscious attention or reminders, which allows moving on to focus more attention on other things.

Anonymous at 10:42 PM on August 17, 2018 | #10678 | reply | quote


He seems to have mixed Plato and Aristotle to a point of disbelief. He seems smart enough to not do this out of a lack of access to text or knowledge about either philospher. I've only read *The Nicomachean Ethics*, but I've often heard that it is possible to misinterpret Plato as pro-science and Aristotle as a hippie. This raises the question, how far is it possible to misinterpret them while (assumingly) still being honest?

Anonymous at 10:44 PM on August 17, 2018 | #10679 | reply | quote

#10679 I interpret LaRouche as thinking he has Aristotle as the pro-science one (pro-empiricism).

Anonymous at 10:49 PM on August 17, 2018 | #10680 | reply | quote

I added a feature to limit how many comments display so the page will load faster. See the original blog post at the top for details and a link.

curi at 11:06 PM on August 17, 2018 | #10681 | reply | quote

From a comment on slickdeals regarding a monitor

>damn i want this for office work! my wife would beat me if i bought another..

Anonymous at 8:59 AM on August 18, 2018 | #10682 | reply | quote

> The parties of the Right did not differ in principle from those of the Left. They were only more moderate

Excerpt From: Ludwig von Mises. “Omnipotent Government: The Rise of the Total State and Total War.” iBooks.

Anonymous at 10:19 AM on August 18, 2018 | #10683 | reply | quote


> These Screenshots Show How Google Shadowbans Conservative And Pro-Trump Content

Article talks about trying to promote his video, then trying to find out why Google was blocking it. Turns out a Trump quote – that the NYT had published – scrolled along the bottom of the TV interview. jfc. Later he got shadowbanned on YouTube by SPLC censors. Also if you search for Cavuto you only find anti-Trump stuff, even though he makes stuff for both sides:

> Keep in mind, Cavuto is an endangered species. He is one of the last fair and balanced journalists on television. He giveth and he taketh away. But you will have to scroll deep into YouTube to find anything positive about Trump from Cavuto. Google hides those videos.

> You can go 300 videos deep and still not find the interview with me that has the second-most views of any Cavuto video (see above). You will pass videos with 22 views and many that are nine years old. I have been censored out of the Cavuto stream.

Google apparently auto-generates hidden channels based on ppl like Hannity or Tucker, puts whatever videos they want on them by biased algorithm or biased human selection, and then highly prioritizes those videos in search results.

> Even if I type in the exact, complicated title of this particular YouTube video, they offer me something else.

Scary. Read the whole article.

> A recent report claims that a Chicago pastor saw his podcast drop from the top 25 in iTunes to less than 200 only 24 hours after posting a Facebook message “to pray for Donald Trump.”


> One of the sources I interviewed for this article found his business shadow-banned on Facebook after he expressed pro-Trump sentiments. He went through three businesses and thousands of dollars before finally realizing what was happening. He has since changed his online identity, IP address, and bank accounts, and after months of scrubbing he is up and running again. But of course, this time he will keep his mouth shut.


> To prepare for the segment, I quickly googled “media bias.” What came up was a long list of articles telling me that there was no such thing as media bias. A Google-promoted chart ranked CNN somewhere in the middle, between liberal and conservative.

lying scumbags.

> the chart that Google promotes says CBS tacks slightly to the right


> Even as I research and write this article I’ve been told that Google has now agreed to work with communist censors in China. As long as the Chinese stay on the far left, they should get along fine.



BTW, me and my FI colleagues have had our own bad experience trying to run twitter ads promoting content that SJWs and Marxists don't like.

Anonymous at 6:11 PM on August 18, 2018 | #10684 | reply | quote

I wrote about morality being contextual.


> Is well being really dependent on the subjects values?

Yes. E.g. some people like steak and some dislike it, so having steak in the fridge provides different amounts of well being to them.

Moral truths deal with context. They don't say "Always eat steak regardless of your preferences, allergies or situation." E.g. my understanding of moral truth says, broadly, approximately, to eat foods that you like and which don't harm you (which foods those are depends on the person and their current situation, and there are many other issues like affordability). And the amount to eat depends on your weight, metabolism, how much you ate recently, and other more; morality does not say that everyone should eat 2000 calories a day, it says that "What should a person eat in X situation?" and "What should a person eat in Y situation?" often have different answers.

The answers for what to eat in different situations aren't independent either. Moral knowledge often applies to multiple contexts, but rarely all contexts. There are tips for how to eat that are helpful for many situations. How widely an idea applies is what David Deutsch calls its "reach". Ideas with more reach are less parochial, and are generally more interesting and valuable – but having some knowledge that's very specific to your own situation is good too.

curi at 8:43 PM on August 18, 2018 | #10685 | reply | quote

> Yea, and "almost anything" is wildly wrong, as I said. Repeating your claim to try and rationalize what you said doesn't change that what you said is soundly wrong. No, you cannot teach yourself almost anything, not remotely. A person with an average IQ can't do MOST intellectual work, they're not equipped for it, so no, not "almost", in fact it's more like not much.

What do I say to this guy?

ff at 8:49 PM on August 18, 2018 | #10686 | reply | quote

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Anonymous at 11:39 PM on August 18, 2018 | #10689 | reply | quote

Anonymous at 11:42 AM on August 19, 2018 | #10692 | reply | quote

I wrote:


The stuff LT is talking about has little to do with TCS. It's just her views on how to deal with stuff.

> I am curious on what the perspective of someone who follows the "Take Children Seriously" perspective like @DavidDeutschOxf would think about the YouTube Channel idea. He would certainly be exposed to some mean spirited criticism at best, hateful trolling at worst.

The TCS perspective on this is: it's the kid's choice. Give the best advice you can, to the extent he wants the advice, and let him make his own decision. And then help your kid with whatever his decision is, whether you agree or not. TCS doesn't specifically take a stance on whether it's good or bad to have a YT channel, but is broadly positive about people doing activities in life, and broadly optimistic about the ability of young people to do worthwhile things or acquire skills.

I personally think YT channels are good but that writing is more important than video as a format for serious thinking/learning/discussion. But that isn't a TCS position. TCS is a specific thing that focuses on issues like how to treat your kid and how learning works, not on what to do with one's life.

Also, the concern:

> He would certainly be exposed to some mean spirited criticism at best, hateful trolling at worst.

Is simply not a concern of TCS. TCS does not say to avoid mean spirited criticism or hateful trolling. And if it's implicitly suggesting sheltering his kid from such things due to his young age, then TCS's response to that would be: no. (Though parents are welcome to give wanted, non-pressuring advice about what sort of things to avoid and why. Personally I'd basically disagree and say it's good to learn to take in information, including about how flawed many people are, without being upset, evaluating ideas as if truth were a popularity contest, or thinking that *unargued* insults have any bearing on who you are. I think waiting would only make sense if there was a clear, specific plan in progress, or starting now, to learn some skills that will help the YT channel project succeed better. But I don't think one should just vaguely assume that waiting until one is older will somehow mean one knows how to do things he hasn't been doing.)

PS if you want to know about TCS you should ask at the FI list or the curiosity forum. They are the only active TCS discussion places and they are where everyone who cares about TCS is available to answer questions. http://fallibleideas.com/discussion https://curi.us/2126-open-discussion

curi at 2:19 PM on August 19, 2018 | #10700 | reply | quote

Anonymous at 6:34 PM on August 19, 2018 | #10703 | reply | quote


> A white woman was hospitalized following an altercation where she called a group of people the N-word on the X2 Metrobus.

> Video emerged on Twitter showing the woman getting into an argument with another passenger. As the white woman begins walking off the bus near 2nd and H streets in Northeast D.C., she calls the other passenger the N-word.

> The video shows the woman exiting the bus before cutting to a clip where she is on the ground, bloodied up.

one of the reaction tweets:

>She tried to call a bus full of niggas, niggers and had the nerve to do it on the X2 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 lord stupidity is a illness

Anonymous at 6:43 PM on August 19, 2018 | #10704 | reply | quote

Great new David Horowitz article about Trump and NeverTrumpers.


Anonymous at 9:23 PM on August 19, 2018 | #10705 | reply | quote


Guy working in White House got fired cuz he spoke at an event (Mencken club) that Richard Spencer has spoken at.

I googled a past speaker list and it seemed like quite a mix of people, including Austrian economists and VDare type people, and people with fancy degrees http://hlmenckenclub.org/2017-conference/

So calling it white nationalist seems like a lie. They let white nationalists but that doesn't seem like the theme.

SPLC has framed it as a white nationalist event for quite some time of course


>When it formed six years ago, the founders of the H.L. Mencken Club envisioned a simple forum for the “intellectual right” to be filled with “young thinkers and activists” ready to tackle the tough issues confronting the country. In reality, though, the club was a gathering place for the country’s most prominent white nationalists.

Even SPLC kinda admits that white nationalism isn't the theme and that their issue is that white nationalist speakers are among those who can speak

>Speakers at this year’s conference, which is being held at “a hotel near Baltimore-Washington International Airport,” according to the website, include John Derbyshire, the white nationalist fired from the National Review for writing a piece for a separate publication suggesting that white and Asian parents should warn their children that black people pose a threat to their safety. He plans to give a speech with the puzzlingly bland title, “Politics and Intelligence.”

I laughed at "puzzlingly bland". SPLC wants a better HATE title to put in its fundraising pitches

Anonymous at 1:00 AM on August 20, 2018 | #10706 | reply | quote

Anonymous at 9:34 AM on August 20, 2018 | #10710 | reply | quote

Paul Joseph Watson is apparently a follower of Stoicism, brought it up at the end of a recent vid https://youtu.be/Lct8ql2zoLo

Anonymous at 11:37 AM on August 20, 2018 | #10711 | reply | quote


David Deutsch fan:

> A disclaimer: this piece is a poor paraphrase of Deutsch's argument. If it weren't protected by copyright, I would just cut-and-paste the entirety of chapter 7 of TFOR here and leave it at that. I asked Deutsch once to put Chapter 7 on the web as a service to humanity but he declined. I cannot hope to reproduce the clarity and completeness of Deutch's argument (which is really Popper's argument), though I'll certainly give it my best shot.

But he doesn't get epistemology:

> R: That's right, it can't. Science can't *disprove* the existence of *anything*. What science can do is to show, in a philosophically justifiable way, that certain things are *extremely unlikely*.

But just a few lines earlier he'd quoted just one paragraph from DD as fair use, and included a bolded line in it:

> **No valid form of reasoning can logically rule out such possibilities, or even prove them unlikely** [emphasis added]

Then he turns around and says what science can do is show that things are unlikely. :(

curi at 11:54 AM on August 20, 2018 | #10712 | reply | quote

My friend and I make sandwiches differently.

Anonymous at 2:24 PM on August 20, 2018 | #10713 | reply | quote

Anonymous at 4:22 PM on August 20, 2018 | #10714 | reply | quote

New George Reisman ebook (115 pages):

Marxism/Socialism, A Sociopathic Philosophy Conceived In Gross Error And Ignorance, Culminating In Economic Chaos, Enslavement, Terror, And Mass Murder: A Contribution To Its Death


Amazon description looks amazing. Great mix of marketing and actually explaining ideas, not just fluff.

curi at 10:04 AM on August 21, 2018 | #10715 | reply | quote

I posted about an issue with screenflow 8 mouse cursors.


Anonymous at 10:32 AM on August 21, 2018 | #10716 | reply | quote

The leftist media says that Trump is going to destroy the world economy and also cause a recession from his trade wars. Is there some truth to it. Should I be scared?

FF at 11:08 AM on August 21, 2018 | #10717 | reply | quote

#10717 No. If you have specific concerns you should explain or quote them.

Anonymous at 12:40 PM on August 21, 2018 | #10718 | reply | quote


> GoFundMe cancels Robert Spencer’s withdrawal of funds, refunds donations, without explanation

He tried to use GoFundMe to fund some videos after Patreon dumped him and blamed Mastercard.

Anonymous at 1:04 PM on August 21, 2018 | #10719 | reply | quote

#10719 This stuff is scary. Spencer says:

> In reading histories of the Third Reich I was always struck by how quickly — in just a matter of months — Germany went from being a free, democratic state to an authoritarian dictatorship, right under everyone’s noses in 1933. I always marveled at how fast and easy it was to destroy freedom. I don’t marvel any more. It is happening to us right now, and most people neither notice nor care. The authoritarian Left is stamping out all dissenting voices. It will soon be even worse: people who don’t hold the accepted opinions will not be able to hold jobs, have bank accounts, buy from various outlets, etc. Think this is hysterical and will never happen here? Watch.

I think Omnipotent Government by Mises explains what happened in Germany better and it wasn't an overnight thing, but still there is tons of cause for concern (and the current US problems have been buildings for decades)

Anonymous at 1:05 PM on August 21, 2018 | #10720 | reply | quote

Research being done on using technology for finding buried mines to help self driving cars deal with snow https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/08/how-self-driving-cars-could-use-mine-detecting-tech-to-see-the-road/

Anonymous at 3:19 PM on August 21, 2018 | #10721 | reply | quote

crypto is a bunch of scams that harm regular folks.


Anonymous at 3:30 PM on August 21, 2018 | #10722 | reply | quote


After reading Sam Harris' anti-capitalism, I posted Reisman's new pro-capitalism arguments to the IDW subreddit. It was blocked by the moderator's as off-topic, so I think I'm done with the subreddit. (IDW refers to a list of thinkers, including Harris, Jordan Peterson, and some other people who desperately need the information Reisman offers.)

curi at 4:47 PM on August 21, 2018 | #10723 | reply | quote


> We were told that people joined ISIS out of “alienation” or just because they are poor, but when we actually got to interview ISIS members when they were arrested or detained in Iraq and Syria, what media discovered was that these are not poor people suffering discrimination. These are often middle-class and college-educated, sometimes converts to Islamist extremism, who relished the idea of selling slaves and murdering people. They saw traveling to Iraq and Syria to be a kind of vacation where they would get a nice house, emptied of its inhabitants and confiscated from minorities, and they would get slaves and relax.

Anonymous at 5:01 PM on August 21, 2018 | #10724 | reply | quote

I preordered but others should read this to see if they want the book:


> Exclusive Excerpt from Ann Coulter’s ‘Resistance is Futile!’ — Trump Is Hitler Times Infinity

Anonymous at 5:19 PM on August 21, 2018 | #10725 | reply | quote

Disenchantment is a new netflix cartoon from the creator of the Simpsons and Futurama. It's very bad. I watched 3 episodes. The main characters change personalities for the joke of the moment, rather than being consistent. It has lots of jokes about getting drunk and friend zoning guys. It's mean. It's routinely violent. One scene ridicules peace. The main character is a bad person – in her introductory scene they are trying to show her as a *tough* female, but show her *cheating at cards and starting a fight*, and not like a sly criminal, but like someone who thinks she's being cute and doesn't really realize the difference between criminal and non-criminal ways to have fun.

Anonymous at 5:36 PM on August 21, 2018 | #10726 | reply | quote

What do you think?

(This is a free speech zone!)