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Elliot Temple on October 11, 2020

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for some reason i am slightly afraid of the only post as internetrules rule. im afraid i might break it i think. but i dont think i would break it because there doesnt seem like any reason to.

if i forget to add my name in the "author" section i can just write a followup message saying that the last message was me and i forgot to sign it.

it does not seem like there is anything to worry about with this rule.


internetrules at 1:34 PM on October 11, 2020 | #18283 | reply | quote

forgetting is not a big deal. i thought people sock puppeting their own threads would be bad so i came up with this policy. part of the point of the threads is to be able to talk to a particular person and ask them questions. that works better if they are actually present in the discussion under their own name. i don't want to be talking to an anonymous that might or might not be Joe and have that be normal in Joe's thread. and this way there is a record of what Joe said or learned in his thread – you can just search for his name and see all the posts by him. you're not going to do a bunch of sock puppeting by accident. and if u want to post anonymously u can go in open discussion or somewhere else.


curi at 1:38 PM on October 11, 2020 | #18284 | reply | quote

i dont actively try to learn shortcuts in computers enough. i should try to learn more shortcuts.

currently its like every few months il spend some time trying to learn some shortcuts but then i stop trying to find shortcuts.

i think i should spend some more time learning shortcuts.

i think they save the time you end up spending on learning them

when i do something and it seems kinda slow, or maybe i do it all the time, then i think i should try to learn a shortcut for it

if i do thing A every day, and thing A takes 10 seconds without shortcuts, but 5 seconds with shortcuts. and it takes 60 seconds to learn the shortcut, then it will take 13 days to start saving time from learning the shortcut (5 x 13 = 65 which is over 60)

ok lets see how much time i will save in a year

5 x 365 = 1825 -60 = 1765. 1765 seconds to minutes 29.41667 minutes! i would save half an hour in a year from spending 1 minute of learning!


internetrules at 2:34 PM on October 11, 2020 | #18285 | reply | quote

#18285 A rule of thumb is to learn shortcuts the third time you use them (if it's in a short enough amount of time you that you can remember it's the third time).

This is similar to writing reusable code the third time you do the same thing.

Three times is a rough indicator of a pattern. If you have a pattern of entering a command, then a shortcut is good. If there's no pattern (like use it once or twice ever) then learning a shortcut isn't worth the effort.

Also, in general with lots of stuff, slowing down and doing it the right way early on is worthwhile. Then you form good habits. You don't wanna form a habit of doing something the wrong way or the inefficient way.

If you're not sure how much you'll use something, or you're not sure what the best way is, then you can try stuff. But when you recognize you'll use it a bunch and figure out what the best way is, then you immediately wanna start doing the best way and making that your habit.


curi at 2:38 PM on October 11, 2020 | #18286 | reply | quote

Do you use ctrl+c and ctrl+v for copy/paste? (ctrl+x is usually cut, too)

They're good ones to start with.

I use ctrl+page-up/down to move between tabs in browsers a lot (next/prev tab). ctrl+l to go to the URL bar, too. Those might be good ones if you do a decent amount of browsing.

> ok lets see how much time i will save in a year

Reminds me of this: https://xkcd.com/1205/


Max at 2:41 PM on October 11, 2020 | #18287 | reply | quote

> Do you use ctrl+c and ctrl+v for copy/paste? (ctrl+x is usually cut, too)

yeah. i dont like ctrl x cuz im worried i could end up acidentally deleting things. for small messages like this tho it would probably be worth using it if it is relevant. if i somehow delete this message or your quote no big deal.

> I use ctrl+page-up/down to move between tabs in browsers a lot (next/prev tab). ctrl+l to go to the URL bar, too. Those might be good ones if you do a decent amount of browsing.

for me ctrl + tab cycles windows and ctrl + e goes to search bar. i should use both more.


Anonymous at 2:50 PM on October 11, 2020 | #18289 | reply | quote

#18289 o hey that was me internetrules. i forgot to put the name in


internetrules at 2:55 PM on October 11, 2020 | #18290 | reply | quote

> i dont like ctrl x cuz im worried i could end up acidentally deleting things

I sometimes accidentally ctrl+x -- I either ctrl+v it somewhere else, or ctrl+z to undo the deletion (but whatever you cut usually stays on the clipboard, so you can still paste it).

I don't use ctrl+x much. Mostly to move stuff between documents.

> ctrl + e

In chrome (browser I'm using atm) it goes to the search bar with 'Search Google:' already up there (so I couldn't type a new url, just a search query). ctrl+k does the same thing.

> ctrl + tab cycles windows

ctrl+tab or alt+tab? ctrl+tab usually cycles tabs for me (and alt+tab does windows). on Windows 10 win+tab will bring up the multi-desktop interface which looks a bit like expose on Mac.

> if i forget to add my name in the "author" section i can just write a followup message saying that the last message was me and i forgot to sign it.

I think Alisa mentioned to me that changing the workflow you use when filling out a comment helped her. (It's helped me too, since.) I usually double click the author field first to bring up past names and select 'Max'. Building that habit has helped a lot.


Max at 3:02 PM on October 11, 2020 | #18291 | reply | quote

>> ctrl + tab cycles windows

> ctrl+tab or alt+tab?

i meant alt+tab


internetrules at 2:18 PM on October 12, 2020 | #18303 | reply | quote

i want to post onto this microblogging thing more. this message seems like it will help me do that.


internetrules at 6:25 PM on October 22, 2020 | #18406 | reply | quote

#18406 What's up?


Dagny at 6:26 PM on October 22, 2020 | #18408 | reply | quote

#18408

i guess im trying to think of something to post. now that i realize this i have thought of something to post.

now i need to think a bit about the logistics of posting it cuz i dont think its just an ez copy paste cuz i think i need to rewrite it a bit. but a lot of the thinking with the actual text is already done i just need to figure out how to post it.


internetrules at 6:58 PM on October 22, 2020 | #18416 | reply | quote

some thoughts about writing things

i want to write some thoughts about the Alcatraz books.

how do you do that? i think i just like start writing? sounds right.

write about what tho? i have pre existing stuff i wrote about, i guess i can use them as prompts.

how do u come up with what to write about? idk. i think i mostly just write about things that i feel like writing about. this seems like something worth thinking about more. how to figure out what to write about seems really important!

being able to come up with thing to write easier seems like it would help me write about things! i want to be able to write about things easier.

this started as trying to like reason thru how to start writing about alcatraz. i stated something i wanted to do, then tried to figure out how to do that.

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i wrote all this text pretty quickly, but it took me like 15 minutes to actually post on curi. i think if i post more stuff on curi and if i try to post stuff to curi quicker that i will then post stuff quicker.


internetrules at 8:54 PM on October 22, 2020 | #18418 | reply | quote

#18418 I wrote this earlier today:

For an idea, there are many generic things to talk about:

- what is the purpose of the idea? aka the goal or the problem it’s trying to solve.

- how does the idea accomplish that purpose? how/why does it work?

- problem history: what other ideas have tried to accomplish this goal? what’s wrong with them to motivate a new idea? how does this new idea try to do better compared to past attempts?

- what have you already done to criticize/test/check this idea? (general purpose stuff? specific stuff?)

- what unknowns, sources of error and risks remain outstanding?

- what new info or scenarios would change your mind about this idea?

- what is the current status of this idea? did you conclude in favor of it, or is it just a guess you think is worth investigating, or something else?

- how does this idea connect with other ideas and fields? where is its place in an intellectual hierarchy/tree/pyramid or graph/web? (graph is arbitrary nodes and connections)

- what new issues does this idea lead to? what might be next? what are areas for further development or refinement?


curi at 9:51 PM on October 22, 2020 | #18419 | reply | quote

#18418 For a novel you can write about the plot, a specific event, a character, or an opinion you have. What was the book about? What was a character like? Why did that event happen? Was that decision good or bad? What didn't happen but would have made the book better? What unanswered questions were left at the end? Could you predict anything that happened in the book before you read it? Did you see any foreshadowing in advance? Did you see any hints in retrospect (after X happened, you realized that something earlier in the book was a hint that X would happen)? Do you have any questions? Is anything confusing? What were you favorite parts and why? What do you think was high or low quality? How was it similar to and different than other books?


curi at 9:54 PM on October 22, 2020 | #18420 | reply | quote

#18419 #18420

trying to do all these things at once seems like it would be really overwhelming. so i think the pro strategy is to think about one at a time, or like pick a few you really like and do those. or you could write a few thoughts for each question.


internetrules at 10:35 PM on October 22, 2020 | #18422 | reply | quote

#18422 Yeah 1-3 at a time is good. Mostly: If you get stuck with nothing to write, look through them and find a way to get unstuck. If you ever get through all of them and still have nothing to say, say that.


curi at 10:42 PM on October 22, 2020 | #18423 | reply | quote

alcatraz

ima try writing about Alcatraz the book series!

i have read the first 3 books. i have liked them all

one of the main things in the book is the magic system. it has the magic with glass. and there is magic from smedry talents. i like the magic.

i like how each book starts with a beginning theme or something. like at the beginning of each book alcatraz says something about himself, they were something like:

first book: i am not a good person.

second book: i am a liar.

third book: i am awesome.

fourth book: i am an idiot.

it gives you a main thing to think about during the book i think. like you can try to see if the theme relates to things in the book. i dont think i connected the theme with contents of the book a lot. less than 1 time per 5 chapters i think.

also he talks about the theme during the book. so in book one he talked about some writing tricks that writers do because they are not nice people. like they will start the book with a really interesting thing that you want to see, and then not get to that thing until way later in the book.

i dont know how common the writing things he talked about were cuz i dont read many books. i took his word for the writing stuff he talked about.

i dont think i noticed many relations with the theme of the book, and the contents of the book.

ok im gonna try to think about the first books theme and its contents and see if i can remember a relation:

one of the things relating to the theme was in a scene where he was prisoner in a dungeon and he thought about why he broke things in his foster parents houses. and he started doing it intentionally so he wouldnt have to make connections with his foster family only to lose them cuz he accidentally broke something. so i guess that makes him not a good person cuz he intentionally broke important stuff so the foster parents would get rid of him.

thats the only thing i can remember at the moment. im gonna post this and probably write more tomorrow


internetrules at 11:33 PM on October 22, 2020 | #18424 | reply | quote

> also he talks about the theme during the book. so in book one he talked about some writing tricks that writers do because they are not nice people. like they will start the book with a really interesting thing that you want to see, and then not get to that thing until way later in the book.

Some books do that. I think it's more common in movies and TV. They have an intro scene and then are like "3 days earlier" and sometimes you don't find out what happened until the end of the whole TV season after 22 episodes. Or they just have something exciting happen to get your attention and then start doing some normal scenes after and you don't get more exciting scenes for a while.

Epic fantasy books fairly often have something in the prolog of book 1 that you won't understand very well until like book 5 or later. It's like here is what the gods/heroes/kings/wizards/monsters do, for a few pages, which you won't understand yet, and ok that's enough of that, now meet the 18yo farm boy main character as he begins his adventure that will very eventually mean he meets gods/heroes/kings/wizards/monsters. Shorter stuff like standalone novels or even trilogies do this less often IME.


curi at 11:39 PM on October 22, 2020 | #18425 | reply | quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlxlduEBGNA

6 min in liking this vid so far

take aways:

runners get really annoyed during their runs. so even when they get WR or PB they say stuff like "this run sucked" he says its cuz their expectations are 2 high, so when they dont live up to them they get annoyed

me: if they fail like 1 thing their gonna be tilted cuz they are like: ***but i succeed at it like 95% of the time!***, but there are like 100 things like that in a run so they are likely to fail atleast one of those things (oh cool later in the video he also said this)

DERUST:

when they come back to a game after not playing for a while their expectations are lower, and they are having more fun, and thene sometimes they will get the PB or WR because of this even tho they might be worse at the game, them liking playing it gives them an advantge.

runners expect everything to work perfectly and they add comments like: (i forget what i was gonna put here)

runners can get insane starting pace and then be like "this sucks" cuz of nerves. I WANT ELABORATION

o so if they are on a super good run but they say that, they are afraid it will like jinx them cuz then they will be super stressed. but if they say its a trash run then nbd if u fail it was trash anyway.

that seems like a weird kind of lying idk it seems weird it might work tho

paraphrase: lying to your self and viewers is healthier for you mentality than viewing it objectivly cuz u will get depressed if u fail.

early timeloss immediately hinders quality of PB and makes mentality worse than late timeloss.

speedrunners call their WR bad sometimes. paraphrase: ****does saying world record bad mean everyone is bad? no***. then he talks about personel potential stuff

speedrunners focus on suboptimal moments to much and only think a run is good if its like run of your life

"being dissatisfied is crucial for drive to keep improving" is it? i think you can have the attitude of "omg that was a great run i loved it. i want to do a better run now"

"when it comes to speedrunning what reason would you have to improve a time your already satisfied with?" i think there are answers to this question that arent just you need to be dissatisfied to improve your runs

paraphrase: loss percived more intensely than a gain of similar ammount this is known as loss aversion

ppl not as forgiving to them selfs if they mess up a tirck theye practiced a bunch and think they should be good at

stopping at 13:44 for now might watch rest of vid later

i liked the vid up to like 7 minutes, after that i think it started talking about more mentality stuff. idk how to think about mentality stuff. i think the FI beleif is that ppl get it wrong a lot so i tryr to be skeptical of mentality stuff


internetrules at 4:00 AM on October 29, 2020 | #18522 | reply | quote

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlxlduEBGNA

I watched this a few days ago and liked it too, mostly. There is some interesting stuff in there about lying/dishonesty & lying to yourself.

(for anyone just reading it's *Why Do Speedrunners Hate Their Runs?* by AverageTrey)

> 6 min in liking this vid so far

nbd but had to read this 2/3 times b/c it didn't parse until I guessed the [and] implied conjunction.

> runners can get insane starting pace and then be like "this sucks" cuz of nerves. I WANT ELABORATION

Did the video end up answering your qs on that? I think that topic gets elaborated on at some later point.

> stopping at 13:44 for now might watch rest of vid later

> i liked the vid up to like 7 minutes, [...]

It was helpful you mentioned the timestamps. I had an idea of what you'd seen. Including timestamps seems like it could be a fairly obvious thing maybe but my estimate is ppl often omit them.

> i liked the vid up to like 7 minutes, after that i think it started talking about more mentality stuff. idk how to think about mentality stuff. i think the FI beleif is that ppl get it wrong a lot so i tryr to be skeptical of mentality stuff

a few things occur to me:

- analyzing social dynamics & dishonesty can be objective and doesn't necessarily affect your worldview. Also, learning and understanding it isn't a bad thing. Like knowing how ppl lie in social situations can help you see the times when you do it. Knowing which lies other ppl tell themselves and the *mechanism + effect* of those lies can help figure out a way to get the benefit without the lie. So learning about mentality stuff can still be useful; you don't have to believe it to benefit from it.

- ppl do get lots of stuff wrong about mentality, but there's also lots of good stuff baked into common sense & traditional knowledge, some of which overlaps with mentality. so being sceptical is okay as long as you don't like prematurely throw away stuff before understanding it and why to throw it away. Advice in curi's recent podcast (rationalism and convention) on social stuff comes to mind here.

- there's a lot of overlap between mentality stuff and static memes / social dynamics. unlike social dynamics (much of which can be entirely cut out without replacement), ideas about mentality are necessary. they answer questions like 'how should I feel about this potential project? will I be able to succeed in this particular context?'

I'm not sure if curi has written about mentality explicitly. There are lots of ideas about mentality baked in through his work, though. The topic might make a good podcast.

- I think there are better ways to get the benefits mentioned without lying to yourself.

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there are some bits about the video I don't like, too. Like at 6:40 AverageTrey mentions Murphy's Law, which he didn't need to, and he doesn't even quote it / give correct examples either.

the overly long sentence at 9:27 -> 9:41 is another thing, which I disagree with but think I understand. (I dislike it because of the content, not it's length or that it goes like 3 prepositions deep)


Max at 6:49 AM on October 29, 2020 | #18523 | reply | quote

i havnt posted in a while.

ima post something EZ!

im trying to learn the 10x tables. that seems like it will help with math things. EZ POST!


internetrules at 12:20 PM on November 12, 2020 | #18616 | reply | quote

#18616 what is 10x tables? times tables where u multiply by 10 like 9x10 or 3x10? those are ez!


curi at 2:51 PM on November 12, 2020 | #18617 | reply | quote

#18617 well more specifically 2x2 thru 9x9.

2x is ez cuz u just double

5x is ez u just times by 10 then half.

4x is mostly easy u double and double again.

numbers like 3 6 7 8 9 are harder. but they still feel easy enough cuz i practiced them.

uhhh i guess i have learned the 2x2 thru 9x9 table, i meant to say im practicing them so they become easier.


internetrules at 6:45 PM on November 12, 2020 | #18618 | reply | quote

> what is 10x tables?

O HEY! i dont think i actually directly answered your question!

im pretty sure 10x tables is all the multiplications with integer numbers between and including 1x1 to 10x10


internetrules at 7:25 PM on November 12, 2020 | #18619 | reply | quote

soda tax

https://youtu.be/iz0sHXhWBck?t=42

in chicago there was a tax on soda.

there were advertisements paid for by Michael Bloomberg that seemed to scare parents/children into not wanting to drink soda

at 0:42 the advertisement says:

> just 1 soda a day can lead to an extra 10 pounds a year

i think they assumed that someone is going to add a soda to their diet and not compensate for the soda. they assume that ppl eat 2100 calories per day of normal food, and then ppl just add an extra 140 calories on top of that with soda. so if they removed the soda ppl wouldnt gain weight.

i think if someone adds 140 calories to their normal diet, that they are going to eat less of something else. idk for sure cuz ppl are complex. i dont think that you can just say that if ppl drink soda that they dont compensate for the extra calories.

i dont like how they said: "just 1 soda a day ***can lead to***". "can lead to" seems really bad without giving an explanation or something. like anything can lead to pretty much anything else.

i think they are trying to imply that drinking soda means you will get fatter, without actually saying it, they are trying to have plausible deniability or something while still making the claim they want to make. (curi gave a reply to this part in discord slow channel)

here are some "can lead to" examples i made up:

1. reading books can lead to beating up your wife. this is because some books could make you really bad, and if u are angry u might beat up your wife

2. playing video games can lead to murdering your friend. this is because you might play a game with your friend, and then ur friend does something that made you really mad, so u decide to kill them.

3. reading advice that tells you something can lead to something, can lead you to do said thing. this is because you might get influenced by the text and do things that leads to its outcome becoming true, thus becoming some sort of self fulfilling prophecy.

4. drinking water can lead to death. because you might drink to much of it and die from water poisoning.

5. wearing bike helmets can lead to death. this is because you might be more confident while wearing a bike helmet, and you could do something you would not otherwise do without a bike helmet, and then you may die because you felt safer with the bike helmet.


internetrules at 11:17 AM on November 20, 2020 | #18753 | reply | quote

some math

SOME MATH:

im gonna assume 1 pound = 3500 calories, and a soda is a 12OZ/355ml can that has 140 calories in it.

140 calories (1 soda) times 365 (days in a year) = 51100 calories per year if u drink 1 soda a day

if i do 51100 / 3500 i think that will give me how many times 3500 calories (1 pound of fat) can go into 51100 calories (how many calories are in 1 soda a day for a year)

51100 / 3500 = 14.6 , so 14.6 pounds from a soda a day for a year.


Anonymous at 11:18 AM on November 20, 2020 | #18754 | reply | quote

caloric deficit myth article

#18754 was me.

while i was trying to figure out how many calories were in a pound of fat, i saw the "The 500-Calorie Deficit Myth" section in this article:

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/calories-in-a-pound-of-fat#TOC_TITLE_HDR_4

main problem i have with this article: they dont clearly differentiate between eating 500 calories less than you normally do, and being in a 500 calorie deficit. it seems like they swap between the 2 positions.

they are not debunking that if you are in a 500 calorie caloric deficit that you will lose a pound a week. they are debunking something else, but they are still calling it a caloric deficit even tho a caloric deficit means you are eating less than you need to maintain your body weight.

it said:

> When you reduce calorie intake, your body responds by making you burn fewer calories. ***You start moving around less***, and the body becomes more efficient. ***It does the same amount of work, but uses fewer calories than before***

the article says your body starts moving around less, but it also says your body does the same amount of work. those 2 things sound like they contradict each other.

if before you did 50 things a day, but now you are in a caloric deficit and you feel more exhausted so you only do 40 things a day, that means you are doing less work.

maybe they meant it uses less energy for a specific action?

so like maybe if ur really well fed and u do a single pushup, ur body will do the pushup really quickly and wastefully. but if u are starving and do a pushup, it will try to be way more efficient, so it sacrifices the speed and ease of doing a pushup for efficiency. i dont think they meant this tho


internetrules at 11:44 AM on November 20, 2020 | #18755 | reply | quote

#18755 if the body could do stuff more efficiently, and was already built to do it the better way sometimes, it would do that normally. it wouldn't waste calories for no reason when it already has a mechanism set up that's superior. evolution works better than that.


curi at 11:50 AM on November 20, 2020 | #18756 | reply | quote

#18756 idk how the body works. i feel like it could have 2 modes, like an efficient and slow mode, or a non-efficient fast mode. so i was talking with the body maybe having 2 modes in mind.

i feel like i might be misunderstanding something, or that i might be wrong about something, and that makes me feel worried.


internetrules at 12:09 PM on November 20, 2020 | #18757 | reply | quote

#18757 being slower is a downside. doing something slower isn't doing the same work.

two modes for the body is fine but there have to be upsides and downsides to each mode for it to make sense. if a mode was only downsides then evolution would have gotten rid of it.


curi at 12:14 PM on November 20, 2020 | #18758 | reply | quote

#18758 i think i might be confused and i might be missing something.

im not sure what part your first message(#18756) is responding to. it might not actually be responding to anything specifically it might just be making a more general statement.

right now i think #18756 is making a general statement. but before i thought it was more directly responding to something.

i think all my messages agree with what you have said. im worried that i might be missing something, and that i might be wrong.

me worrying about being wrong seems bad. i am trying to mention when it happens.


internetrules at 12:32 PM on November 20, 2020 | #18759 | reply | quote

#18759 i think ur fine if u agree with what i said in #18758

i was trying to clarify my point from my previous message


curi at 12:39 PM on November 20, 2020 | #18760 | reply | quote

#18758 being slower is a downside. i agree. its better if u can do something fast rather than slow

> two modes for the body is fine but there have to be upsides and downsides to each mode for it to make sense. ***if a mode was only downsides then evolution would have gotten rid of it.***

i dont know how evolution getting rid of things works. if u have 2 modes like:

1. fast and efficient

2. slow and efficient

i think that the slow and efficient mode is unnecessary. and if ur body used mode 2 sometimes then that would be a negative, if someone never used mode 2 that would make them better.

one thing im unsure about is with this part of your message:

> doing something slower isn't doing the same work.

if work is like a movement, then i agree with you.

if work is like making or completing a thing, then i think i disagree with you.

if you can do 10 pushups in 10 seconds, that is not the same work as doing 10 pushups in 5 seconds.

if you can build a birdhouse in 10 minutes, i think that is the same work as if you built a birdhouse in 5 minutes.

you built the birdhouse faster in the second scenario, but in both scenarios you completed the same work of "build a birdhouse".

i dont think i liked writing this, i think im like talking about semantic things or something and i dont find it fun.


internetrules at 12:57 PM on November 20, 2020 | #18761 | reply | quote

i agree with what you said in #18758 . i think i am unsure of what you meant by work.

i didnt have fun in the last message writing about work.

im gonna go read a book and have fun doing that.

i think i feel some kind of badness about not having fun writing about "work" in my last message


internetrules at 1:01 PM on November 20, 2020 | #18762 | reply | quote

#18762 IR: You are currently my favorite FI poster after curi and Ingracke. You put into words the kinds of thoughts I have when I discuss things here, but I don't think I've ever much tried to share my thoughts the way you do. You have a way of being honest without being boring. Like even when you're sharing that you don't know something, you bring up specifics that make it interesting to read. Your posts inspire me to post more. Thanks.


Alisa at 5:37 PM on November 20, 2020 | #18764 | reply | quote

#18764 ok so when you discuss on FI, you have the same kind of thoughts as me, but you dont say them as much as i do.

> You have a way of being honest without being boring.

i should put effort into not being bored while doing things! i should be having fun with philosophy stuff and not treating it as like: "oh boy i have to do some philosophy work stuff". i think philosophy, and progress, and things like that, should be fun, and you should want to do them.

i should put effort into having fun with things, and trying to do things in ways that are fun.

sometimes i spend to long like just editing a single paragraph, and thats not fun.

but if i can write the paragraph more quickly and then move onto other stuff, that is fun!

> Your posts inspire me to post more. Thanks.

that seems good! i am also trying to post more.


internetrules at 2:34 PM on November 21, 2020 | #18771 | reply | quote

> sometimes i spend to long like just editing a single paragraph, and thats not fun.

it's not efficient to do that either (except occasionally, as a test, to see what it's like how and well you can do it – that's fine)

if something takes a long time it means you haven't built up the earlier skills to make it easy yet. there is a more gradual progress you could do. you're skipping some steps which are why it's hard.

my posts about overreaching are relevant e.g. http://curi.us/2182-time-based-metric-for-overreaching

and posts about powering up and only doing easy (efficient) things. i think i did a podcast on that too.


curi at 2:41 PM on November 21, 2020 | #18772 | reply | quote

#18761

> i dont know how evolution getting rid of things works.

A sort of rule of thumb is 'use it or lose it'.

Life need to spend resources (energy, nutrients, etc) to grow, maintain, and use features. If a life form doesn't use a feature but still has to grow it then there's a cost. The mutant sibling that doesn't have that thing *doesn't have the associated cost*. If that feature is important for the life-form surviving then the mutant sibling is at a greater risk of dying than the non-mutant (all else being equal). If the feature *isn't* important for survival then the non-mutant is at a *disadvantage* b/c they have to spend more resources but they don't get any benefit from them.

There are two things that make this more complex: selfish genes, and mutations in the regulation of gene activations instead of mutations in the features themselves.

> if u have 2 modes like:

> 1. fast and efficient

> 2. slow and efficient

> i think that the slow and efficient mode is unnecessary.

What if 'fast and efficient' only works for 10s or 60s? Do you need 'slow an efficient' after that?

Example: Our muscles work a bit like this. There are 3/4 primary energy systems used during exercise:

- ATP-TP (lasts ~10 seconds; high energy burst, like a sprint)

- lactic acid (lasts ~60 seconds; high-ish energy but more sustained, like a 400m/800m run)

- and oxygen + glucose and oxygen + fat (fat gets used after your glycogen stores are depleted).

They all have a cost to maintain and they're all have a diff balance of speed and efficiency (not to mention, they're efficient for different *goals*)

If you want something to think on, why would we need 3 or 4 systems?

(This relates to CF stuff, too)

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also, WRT caloric restriction and weight loss stuff, I think this video from thunderf00t is good: The '5kg in 50 days' Diet!

- I haven't watched it recently tho and I think some of this other stuff is problematic. This vid seemed okay the times I watched it.


Max at 11:02 PM on November 21, 2020 | #18790 | reply | quote

a soda a day

#18753

> in chicago there was a tax on soda.

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> there were advertisements paid for by Michael Bloomberg that seemed to scare parents/children into not wanting to drink soda

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> at 0:42 the advertisement says:

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>> just 1 soda a day can lead to an extra 10 pounds a year

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> i think they assumed that someone is going to add a soda to their diet and not compensate for the soda. they assume that ppl eat 2100 calories per day of normal food, and then ppl just add an extra 140 calories on top of that with soda. so if they removed the soda ppl wouldnt gain weight.

Yes. You'd never see a public service ad that said "just 1 apple a day can lead to an extra 5 pounds a year"! People assume that if you eat an apple a day, you're eating it instead of something else you'd otherwise be eating, not adding it on top of what you'd otherwise be eating.


Anne B at 6:22 AM on November 22, 2020 | #18808 | reply | quote

having fun with philosophy stuff

> i should put effort into not being bored while doing things! i should be having fun with philosophy stuff and not treating it as like: "oh boy i have to do some philosophy work stuff". i think philosophy, and progress, and things like that, should be fun, and you should want to do them.

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> i should put effort into having fun with things, and trying to do things in ways that are fun.

I think this too, for myself. I'm not very good at having fun learning philosophy. I often think something like "oh boy i have to do some philosophy work stuff".

Then sometimes once I get started I enjoy what I'm doing. And sometimes I do something without thinking I *should* do it, like answering this post of yours. There's a part of me that thinks it doesn't count and won't help me learn anything if I'm having fun doing it.


Anne B at 6:29 AM on November 22, 2020 | #18809 | reply | quote

when does practice count?

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> There's a part of me that thinks it doesn't count and won't help me learn anything if I'm having fun doing it.

Every post you make is practice. It could be practice writing or getting your thoughts out or finding out what someone means or trying to add value to a conversation. *There's always a goal you can practice*.

You can be bad a prioritisation and still do lots of practice. Though, you shouldn't expect to make much progress if you don't prioritise bottlenecks. But that doesn't mean the practice has to be wasted. Sometimes it's good to practice on things that are more fun than on things that might be more difficult. You can't do difficult stuff all the time, and doing easy stuff is better than doing nothing!

Whether it *counts* or not is up to you more than anything else I think. It's possible to do stuff in a way that doesn't help you learn. One thing that might help is thinking about the goal of what you're posting before you post it. That way you can better focus on achieving that goal, and that will make the practice more worth while (and more explicit).

> ... won't help me learn anything if I'm having fun doing it.

This is curious to me. Some ppl have the idea that learning is way better / easier / effective when you're having fun. That seems like a pretty common idea too. I'm not sure I've heard anyone suggest the opposite, though.


Max at 6:47 AM on November 22, 2020 | #18810 | reply | quote

>> sometimes i spend to long like just editing a single paragraph, and thats not fun.

> it's not efficient to do that either (except occasionally, as a test, to see what it's like how and well you can do it – that's fine)

> if something takes a long time it means you haven't built up the earlier skills to make it easy yet. there is a more gradual progress you could do. you're skipping some steps which are why it's hard.

> my posts about overreaching are relevant e.g. http://curi.us/2182-time-based-metric-for-overreaching

> and posts about powering up and only doing easy (efficient) things. i think i did a podcast on that too.

my initial reaction to this was feeling bad cuz i wasnt good at writing or something. i didnt know a conscious reason, but it was something about not being good at writing and being criticized for it.

a minute after reading your response i was thinking how your response was a good thing.

my original message was about how i didnt like spending a bunch of time on writing a paragraph, your response agreed with that!

i can do easier things first that dont involve doing the thing i dont like! thats good!

feeling bad while writing is a sign something bad is happening while writing. i think this applies to everything not just writing.

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> if something takes a long time it means you haven't built up the earlier skills to make it easy yet. there is a more gradual progress you could do. you're skipping some steps which are why it's hard.

it feels like its hard and a challenge to build up writing skills, like where would i even start is kind of how im feeling, and it might be to hard for me to even begin trying. that is my reaction to reading this paragraph.

o hey typing speed is a writing skill! i increased my typing speed once already and learnt touch typing! i am confident i could increase it again if i practiced. so that is a place i *could* start! (FYI current typing speed is maybe like 80 WPM when writing normally)

im not sure what writing skills i should learn. i feel kinda lost for where to start. i havnt tried finding out where to start to write better.

i dont think i do a good job using commas. you wrote a guide about how to use commas curi.us/2293-using-commas . i could try to follow that when i write things. thats a place to start!

while writing this message i have been practicing thinking the words i want to say in my head, then typing them out. it seems to be helping with avoiding spending a bunch of time on a paragraph. im not sure what i do to spend a bunch of time editing a paragraph, but this seems to be helping me avoid it. so im already starting at a place to help me write better! i dont write this way all the time, which seems like a reason its not automatic. so if i make it automatic i should be able to write better and have more fun while writing!

so thats like 3 things i know of where i could try to start writing better. and i am currently practicing one of them! that makes it seem a lot less hard to find a place where to start if i already know 3 places to start!


internetrules at 3:24 PM on November 22, 2020 | #18821 | reply | quote

> i can do easier things first that dont involve doing the thing i dont like! thats good!

yes

> feeling bad while writing is a sign something bad is happening while writing. i think this applies to everything not just writing.

yes

> it feels like its hard and a challenge to build up writing skills, like where would i even start is kind of how im feeling, and it might be to hard for me to even begin trying. that is my reaction to reading this paragraph.

reading is a place to start. grammar is another. writing topics that you understand really well already is another. it's easier to write "basics of how to use a microwave" than about philosophy. writing short stuff is easier too. you could start with sentences before paragraphs.

another place to start is *talking*. ppl learn to talk before write. most ppl can give a verbal reply to someone right away. they don't have to stop and think first. silences in conversations seem awkward to ppl. u can probably already do that in general. so if u could talk a reply fast, why would writing one take a long time?

one way u can write is talk out loud, record it, and then write down what u said (check the recording if u forget some, or use otter.ai or dictation or something to type it for you)

> o hey typing speed is a writing skill! i increased my typing speed once already and learnt touch typing! i am confident i could increase it again if i practiced. so that is a place i *could* start! (FYI current typing speed is maybe like 80 WPM when writing normally)

yeah that's another skill one can work on. if ur typing is more automatic then it distracts you less from figuring out what to say. 80wpm is pretty good already so it's probably not your main problem (improving it probably won't make a big difference).


curi at 3:47 PM on November 22, 2020 | #18822 | reply | quote

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