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Responses to Dennis Hackethal about Crime and Threats

Dennis Hackethal posted five blog posts attacking me. Here's my main response. I didn't read much of them because they're very long (over 36,000 words, around 100 pages) and unpleasant. I skimmed some and saw errors and insults. However, someone showed me two important parts, related to crime and threats, that Hackethal should have told me but didn't. So I'll address those parts.

In general, the posts have lots of stuff that Hackethal didn't say before. Instead of telling me his complaints, he refused to tell me even after I asked, then he blogged stuff that he wouldn't tell me. If there are other things I should know, I may have missed them, and Hackethal or his lawyers should email them to me.

I Didn't Call Dennis Hackethal a Criminal

Hackethal claims I called him a criminal. That was never my intention, and I don't think I did it. Hackethal's lawyers brought it up too but wouldn't tell me what statements they were referring to. I offered to take it down if they'd provide specifics, but they didn't. They did send me a list of 23 links with some quotes, but they didn't specify that they thought any of those statements called him a criminal. They said things like "Remove this article entirely [...]" and "Remove any mention of Mr Hackethal on that page [...]".

Now, on his blog, Hackethal has been specific. After reading the quotes he gave, I don't think any of them called him a criminal. I think he's making mistakes at reading comprehension and logic.

I've taken down the majority of the statements Hackethal pointed out for this topic because they aren't important enough to me to argue over (many were in blog comments, not posts) and I've only just now found out how he was (mis)reading them. If Hackethal had emailed me years ago, I would have addressed this then.

I left some statements up but I'm willing to make clarifying changes. However, I want Hackethal's consent so he doesn't try to sue me for rewordings that I did to try to satisfy him.

Misquotes

While reading quotes Hackethal gave, I noticed he misquoted me. I'll use variables to show the structure.

With two separate quotes, he quoted me as saying "A [...]" when I said "A or B", which is misleading.

He quoted me as saying "I only A due to [among other things] F." I actually wrote "I only A due to B and C (including D, E, and F)." F was a parenthetical sub-point of C, not my reason. And "among other things" means that more unmentioned things exist, but I didn't say that. It's an inaccurate paraphrase of the text it replaced, "B and C (including D, E, and".

So I warn people against trusting facts or quotes in Hackethal's posts.

Removals

I've also removed some other things that Hackethal has now complained about. He should have just told me his complaints instead of writing long attacks. One was a guest blog post about some people, including Hackethal, who stopped discussing with my community. The goal was to post mortem what happened and improve discussion, but Hackethal didn't like it. I also removed my comments about an old David Deutsch interview and a screenshot of a tweet to Deutsch.

Hackethal is sharing copies but I've removed the originals. With the guest blog post, in 2020, someone complained that it included email addresses (that people had used as their public forum usernames). Although I think attributing quotes to the usernames that publicly posted them is reasonable, and those usernames are publicly available on the Google Groups website, I removed them from the post. I've tried to be responsive to complaints. Today, Hackethal is sharing an old copy of the post from 2020 that includes email addresses, against the wishes of me and others. It seems kind of contradictory that he wants me to remove things but he shares old copies.

In my primary letter to Hackethal's lawyer, I tried to tell them about my negotiating position, including sharing information about what statements were and weren't important to me to keep up. But I received no reply and Hackethal's posts appear to largely ignore my letter.

Disavowing Threats

I didn't know this until now, but in 2021, a commenter on Hackethal's blog, "Connor", complained about Hackethal plagiarizing me, said something threatening about attacking Hackethal's face with a baseball bat, and said Hackethal should kill himself. As far as I know, I've never communicated with this Connor and they've never posted at any of my websites. Hackethal brings up questions about how I would handle this. I don't want my readers to do this, and I'd prefer if someone had told me sooner. Hackethal suggests that silence, neutrality and not taking sides would be acceptable responses from me, which may explain why he didn't report the harassment to me. I disagree with that viewpoint.

I disavow Connor's posts, and I ask my readers not to threaten anyone with violence. Connor is now banned from making accounts or writing anything at my websites. I'd also block Connor on social media if I saw him. Connor's comments are unacceptable and I regard anyone writing similar comments as working against me, not helping me.

Besides the usual reasons it's bad, threatening violence is also bad regarding fallibilism and rationality. Violence can't be retracted like arguments. And what if you intimidated someone into silence who was actually correct? You'd stay incorrect. People like Connor are unsafe to have around: if he got into a debate on my forum he might post threats. When you see someone attack an out-group member over a disagreement, they're revealing that they may attack an in-group member over a disagreement too. That's a particular concern at communities with diversity of thought.


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Dennis Hackethal Threatened to Sue Me; Now He's Blogging about Me

Recently, Dennis Hackethal wrote five blog posts and some tweets disparaging me. Last year, his lawyers threatened me with a defamation lawsuit. They wanted me to take down everything I ever said about Hackethal, most of which is old (2018-2020). He'd never before said he wanted anything removed. They refused my offer to discuss or negotiate, ignored my offer to make corrections if they pointed out any mistakes in specific statements, and sent an all-or-nothing ultimatum with 20 demands (many unreasonable). I declined.

I wrote a long letter to Hackethal's lawyers which explained my position, reiterated my offer to negotiate, and pointed out some of their errors. I received no response. Then Hackethal started publicly attacking me eight months later (and attacking multiple other people who've had online discussions with me). Although the issues are mostly around five years old, the attacks contain a lot of new information that he didn't say before. He says that he won't discuss or negotiate and the only way he'll stop attacking me is if I unilaterally give in to all of his demands. He's rejected diplomacy, and barely communicated, for five years now.

It's legal to make true statements (or to express opinions). I've given reasoning and evidence for my statements. I've offered to correct errors but Hackethal hasn't told me errors with specific statements. Hackethal is also accusing me of saying things that I don't think I said. I'm willing to make clarifications but he hasn't asked for any. He wants me to take down statements without him ever having to give specific reasons that they're false. He's attacking my free speech rights.

Hackethal's Complaints

One of Hackethal's main complaints is that, in 2020, I wrote a negative review of his book, which I said plagiarized me. I emailed him about my concerns before publishing them. Regarding an example I thought was plagiarism, he replied: "So yes, it looks like you did tell me that, in which case the right thing to do is to credit you." He asked me to send him the rest of my issues with his book as one long email, so I sent many issues at once (5,000 words), but he said he didn't have time to read my email. Then he stopped answering my emails and didn't communicate with me again for four years. He offered no objection or criticism about my claims, he didn't ask me not to post them, he didn't say he thought they were false or illegal, and he didn't want to discuss them, so I published them. I thought he believed in free speech and critical discussion. I didn't know that he wanted my post taken down until I received a letter from his lawyers four years later. I still haven't received specific information pointing out a false statement in my post.

Hackethal's lengthy blog posts (over 36,000 words, around 100 pages) bring up many other complaints of varying relevance. Some were already covered in my main letter to his lawyers, which he hasn't answered. Some have little to do with his legal rights. For example, he accuses me of making mistakes with 15 quotations (but he's wrong 15 times).

I addressed more of Hackethal's complaints here. I'm not trying to respond to everything he said (I only skimmed most of it). I'm focusing on issues I think are important.

20 Demands

In my letters to Hackethal's lawyers, I offered to negotiate and separately offered to correct errors in my posts without asking for anything in return. I also said I was open to rewording my claims to be gentler. They said they wouldn't discuss it, never tried to tell me errors in specific statements, and gave me an ultimatum: accept their list of 20 demands (with no option to change any of them or add any demands of my own) or they might sue me. I declined.

Some of the 20 terms are unreasonable. For example, they demand that I remove "each and every published statement that Temple has made about Hackethal" including "both public and private publication". That includes removing statements which aren't even alleged to be defamatory.

Another term demands that I publish a retraction, exactly as they wrote it, while presenting it as my own words and keeping the terms confidential. Putting a post on my blog that I didn't write, and pretending I did write it, would be plagiarism. Ironically, Dennis Hackethal demanded that I plagiarize the words "[...] Dennis is not a plagiarist [...]". I don't think he understands what plagiarism is.

Another term said the terms would be treated as though I had equal 50% participation in writing them. But they didn't let me participate in writing the terms.

Another term demanded that I waive my legal rights regarding anything Hackethal's done in the past, including any illegal actions he's done that I don't know about.

Here's how Hackethal presents this in his primary blog post:

Next, my lawyers had to send Temple a cease and desist for defamation (then he suddenly wanted mediation). When they offered him a mutual non-disparagement agreement, he declined.

This is misleading. He doesn't say that I declined an all-or-nothing list of 20 demands. He doesn't say that I offered to negotiate but they declined. It's factually false that I "wanted mediation". Considering that Hackethal hadn’t tried asking me for any removals, I disagree that his lawyers "had to" send me a letter. And he doesn't say that the agreement contained no terms to prevent plagiarism. Criticizing plagiarism is disparagement but plagiarizing me isn't disparagement. Plagiarism is generally legal, so my main defensive option is to write about it, but the agreement would silence me while allowing Hackethal to plagiarize me. So I advise against trusting what Hackethal says about me and these events.

Defamation

Hackethal threatened to sue me for defamation. To win that lawsuit, he'd have to show multiple things including that my statements are false, are damaging, and aren't matters of opinion.

Are my statements false? When I first published my statements about plagiarism, I included details, quotes, evidence and arguments. Hackethal hasn't tried to tell me refutations of my statements. He seems to think I should withdraw my statements without ever seeing evidence or arguments showing that they're false. Laws have been written to protect the free speech of critics. Law professor David Hudson's article Defamation and the First Amendment says "Generally, the plaintiff [which would be Hackethal] bears the burden of proof of establishing falsity."

Are some of my statements about matters of opinion? You can imagine a hypothetical scenario where potential plagiarism is in a borderline gray area where reasonable people could disagree about whether it is or isn't plagiarism. For reasonably debatable issues and open controversies where there's no definitively correct answer, people are free to form their own opinions about the correct conclusion, since their opinion can't be proven false. For Hackethal to win in court, Hudson says "The statements in question must be objectively verifiable as false statements of fact. This means the statements must be provable as false."

Rejecting Diplomacy

Hackethal's blog says he will keep taking actions against me until I unilaterally agree to his 20 demands. He says he won't talk with me or negotiate.

He also offered to give other people money to pursue legal complaints against me. If anyone has a complaint, please email me instead of escalating to lawyers before attempting conflict resolution.

Hackethal issued a no contact request to me and anyone associated with me. He says "Don’t cause third parties to talk to me." which suggests that no one may attempt diplomacy with anyone he knows, and suggests none of us may write blog posts related to this conflict because those could lead to someone saying something to him. His broad wording also implies that I'm unwelcome to contact his lawyers, who ghosted me anyway.

Was Hackethal ever willing to have a diplomatic discussion? In 2024, he emailed me saying he wanted conflict resolution. I sent him six emails in that conversation but couldn't get him to summarize his side of the story. He refused to respond to my blog posts from 2020 explaining my side of the story. He told me for the first time that he was unhappy with my book review but I couldn't get useful details. He said that "irrespective of what has happened" he hoped "we can move on, get the acrimony behind us" – so I was surprised when, a month later, his lawyers contacted me. It turns out he was already researching lawsuits a month before that conversation, so I'm skeptical that the conversation was in good faith.

Error Correction

I've always been willing to discuss complaints and correct errors on my websites. People can just email me. Hackethal hired lawyers instead of telling me what he wanted, and now he's trying to harm my reputation rather than discuss our conflict.

It seems unfair for him to try to pressure me into taking down claims while he's refusing to discuss whether they're true. If my claims are true (or are reasonable opinions), then I should be allowed to say them. If someone did plagiarize me, then I should be able to explain my side of the story. If I think someone is a jerk to me, I should be able to complain (using truths and reasonable opinions).

I'm also reluctant to edit old posts without Hackethal's consent because I don't know what wordings he'd prefer and he's shown no interest in wording changes (instead demanding full removal). He's actually complained about a "softer", less opinionated wording.

Hackethal doesn't have an error correction policy like mine, stopped responding to me when I tried to tell him errors in 2020, and now has told me not to contact him (which includes not reporting errors to him). This post pointed out a few of his errors, and I'd be willing to point out more errors if he were open to discussion and error correction. I believe his posts are defamatory and I request they be taken down (or thoroughly corrected).

Call For Help

If anyone wants to help me deal with Hackethal, contribute to my legal defense fund, or provide relevant information, please email me at curi@curi.us


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Timeline of Dennis Hackethal Using My Ideas without Crediting Me

Dennis Hackethal created a website, Veritula, based on my Critical Fallibilism (CF) philosophy, where he writes frequently about CF ideas. But he didn't credit me for my ideas. Instead, he falsely attributed my ideas to Karl Popper, which denies me credit, implies that I plagiarized Popper, confuses people about Popper's views and implies that other people, like Popperian author David Deutsch, misunderstood Popper. He's also written long attacks on me and made legal threats. Here's a timeline:

In 2018, Hackethal came to me as a student. He paid for me to personally teach him on calls. He joined my email discussion forum and chatroom. He tried to learn philosophy from me.

In 2019, Hackethal formed a lasting grudge against me. I believe it's because he saw himself as a very smart expert, and he wanted to be my friend and colleague, but he felt rejected by me. I removed him from a non-public chatroom because he was getting upset and I thought he would do better with slower-paced email discussions.

In 2020, Hackethal self-published a book, A Window on Intelligence: The Philosophy of People, Software, and Evolution – and Its Implications. I wrote a post saying it plagiarized me and David Deutsch. He hadn't disclosed that he was writing a book. I saw him as a beginner who was many years away from being able to write a good book, and the book didn't change my mind about that.

In 2020, regarding a sentence I said was plagiarized, Hackethal said "So yes, it looks like you did tell me that, in which case the right thing to do is to credit you.", then he refused to discuss more. Although I sent him a pre-publication draft of my blog post about plagiarism, he offered no objection to what I wrote, didn't deny plagiarizing me, and implied that he didn't care what I said and could get away with ignoring my complaints. Previously he'd told me, about himself, "It’s really hard to offend me." He also said he valued free speech and strong criticism.

In 2020, someone DDoSed my website shortly after I sent Hackethal the draft accusing him of plagiarism, before I published it.

In 2024, he stopped ignoring me. From his lawyers, I found out that he was really upset. He claimed I had wronged him. His lawyers tried to bully me into signing a 20-term contract requiring me to take down my plagiarism accusation and never say anything negative about Hackethal. They said his book didn't contain plagiarism but were unwilling to discuss it. They asked me to a sign a contract that would prohibit me from pointing it out if he ever plagiarized me in the future, but which had no terms to discourage plagiarism. I declined but offered to negotiate. He wouldn't negotiate or participate in mediation, but also didn't follow through on his threat to sue me; he and his lawyers just went silent.

In 2024, Hackethal created a website, Veritula, which I believe uses my Critical Fallibilism ideas without crediting me.

In 2025, eight months after having his lawyers ghost me, he publicly escalated, even though I hadn't written about him for years. He published long blog posts attacking and lying about me (over 35,000 words).

I didn't respond immediately to the blog attacks and Hackethal complained about the lack of response and kept attacking me. Then I responded and he complained that I had responded and kept attacking me. Then I didn't respond for seven months and he kept attacking me.

After rereading old chat logs where I said I don't share my photo online because I want privacy, he published photos of me (which he did not get from me) while calling me dangerous.

I didn't notice Veritula existed until after Hackethal attacked me in 2025. In recent weeks, Hackethal has written a lot more on Veritula without crediting me.

After my 2020 blog post about Hackethal's book, I didn't write a blog post about him again until early 2025 when I responded to his posts attacking me. Then, although he was trying to ruin my reputation, I tried to go back to ignoring him.

I'm responding now because I believe Veritula is extensively using my best ideas without crediting me. Also, showing restraint and being silent about many provocations failed to deescalate the situation.

I was surprised when Hackethal started attacking me after a four year break. Now I can see a potential purpose to the attacks: discrediting me makes it easier to use my ideas without attributing them to me. Turning people against me can prevent them from listening to my concerns. Slinging mud can muddy the waters and distract from intellectual issues like attribution.

Hackethal says I'm a cult leader, but he won't stay away from my philosophy ideas, which he seems to think are the world's best. He hired me to help him learn philosophy. I believe he's using CF ideas (without crediting CF) for Veritula in preference to Popper's or Deutsch's ideas. He had a grudge against me before my first public complaint about him, and he still has it six years later; he needs to get over it, leave me alone, stop studying my philosophy articles, and cite his sources.

More posts related to Hackethal:


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Dennis Hackethal's Website, Veritula, Is Worse than Plagiarism

Dennis Hackethal created a website, Veritula, based on my philosophy, Critical Fallibilism (CF). He explains and uses CF ideas but, instead of crediting the ideas to me or CF, he credits them (without evidence or citations) to Karl Popper's philosophy, Critical Rationalism. This is quintuply problematic:

  • He's using my ideas without giving me credit.
  • He's implicitly accusing me of plagiarizing Karl Popper.
  • He's spreading misinformation about what Popper's views were.
  • The misinformation attributes ideas to Popper that many people see as weird, bad or false.
  • He's implying that David Deutsch and other Popperians misunderstood Popper, without giving evidence, quotations or citations.

Extensively using CF ideas and misattributing them to Popper is worse than plagiarism. In addition to using my ideas without crediting me (the same harm plagiarism does), he's also implying that I'm a plagiarist, implying that other people misunderstood Popper, confusing people about Popper's views, and falsely attributing unpopular ideas to Popper (extra harms that merely plagiarizing me wouldn't cause).

Creating CF took over 10,000 hours of largely unpaid effort while I worked other jobs, outside of philosophy, to support myself. I share CF ideas hoping people will learn from them or critique them. While CF isn't very popular, if someone actually likes my ideas enough to study them, I don't want to be plagiarized or misattributed.

I wrote an article using Popper quotes to show that CF's distinctive ideas aren't plagiarized from Popper. Popper actually contradicted them.

This article presents evidence that Hackethal is using CF ideas, without crediting CF, by comparing Hackethal quotes with my essays. Previously, Hackethal hired me to help teach him about philosophy, so I also provide quotes from teaching calls and documents.

Some examples I provide are important on their own. Others wouldn't be a big deal alone but contribute to a broader pattern.

Context

In 2020, I accused Hackethal's book of plagiarizing me. Years later, he made long, error-filled blog posts and videos attacking me. He's threatened me with a lawsuit and offered to give other people money to help them sue me. He falsely tells people I'm a cult leader. He's published photos of me while calling me dangerous. He's hired private investigators. He spends a lot of time reading my writing and he won't leave me alone. I created a timeline.

The strangest part of the timeline is a four year gap between events. I thought Hackethal had moved on, but then he started attacking me much more vigorously than before over old issues.

Although Hackethal has been trying to ruin my reputation, I only responded minimally seven months ago. I've let many lies go unchallenged. I didn't understand why he started doing it four years later, and I didn't want to engage. Now I see a potential motive: it benefits him if it looks like my criticisms of Veritula are just revenge for his attacks on me. It benefits him to discredit me so that people don't listen to me. If people have a dismissive attitude to me, then he can get away with using my ideas without crediting me. Creating a big, messy fight between us can distract people from his plagiarizing me in A Window on Intelligence: The Philosophy of People, Software, and Evolution – and Its Implications and doing even worse with Veritula. Please remember that I said nothing for the last seven months; I have a thick skin and this post is an evidence-based attempt to set the record straight.

Technically Not Plagiarism?

Plagiarism means taking credit for other people's ideas. Hackethal is using my ideas but crediting them to a third party, which may be a way to avoid additional plagiarism accusations on a technicality.

The 1913 version of Webster's Dictionary defines "plagiarize" as "To steal or purloin from the writings of another; to appropriate without due acknowledgement (the ideas or expressions of another)." Using CF ideas without crediting CF qualifies under this definition of plagiarism. But other dictionaries require that the plagiarist takes credit themself.

Sometime after I accused his book of plagiarism, Hackethal "avoided Temple’s blog for years". He says he was trying to prevent accidental plagiarism. It's also a good way to prevent intentional plagiarism or misattributing my ideas to Popper. But then he decided to start reading my essays again (he doesn't say why). Then he started attacking me and made Veritula.

Veritula Uses CF Ideas without Crediting CF

Blockquotes are from Hackethal's How Does Veritula Work? (mirror). Italics are in the originals; bold is added for this article unless indicated.

Veritula is a programmatic implementation of Popper’s epistemology. [bold in original]

It [isn't Popper's epistemology](#). As we'll see below, it implements CF ideas like decisive criticism, binary evaluations of ideas, and debate trees.

Because decision-making is a special case of, ie follows the same logic as, truth-seeking, such trees can be used for decision-making, too.

The idea of using epistemology for decision-making is found on the Critical Fallibilism homepage and in my Yes or No Philosophy, Introduction to Critical Fallibilism, Multi-Factor Decision Making Math, Introduction to Theory of Constraints ("This is related to decision making in general."), Critical Fallibilism and Theory of Constraints in One Analyzed Paragraph and Academic Literature for Multi-Factor Decision Making.

If an idea, as written, has no pending criticisms, it’s rational to adopt it and irrational to reject it. What reason could you have to reject it? If it has no pending criticisms, then either 1) no reasons to reject it (ie, criticisms) have been suggested or 2) all suggested reasons have been addressed already.

If an idea, as written, does have pending criticisms, it’s irrational to adopt it and rational to reject it – by reference to those criticisms. What reason could you have to ignore the pending criticisms and adopt it anyway?

Now, [the idea] is considered unproblematic again, since [its criticism, which has now been counter-criticized] is problematic and thus can’t be a decisive criticism anymore.

‘Has pending criticisms’ vs ‘has no pending criticisms’

Veritula therefore also enables you to hold irrational people accountable: if an idea has pending criticisms, the rational approach is to either abandon it or to save it by revising it or addressing all pending criticisms.

Don’t worry about which ideas are better than others. [...] Only go by whether an idea has outstanding criticisms. [source, mirror]

Introduction to Critical Fallibilism: "CF says all ideas should be evaluated in a digital (specifically binary) way as non-refuted (has no known errors) or refuted (has a known error)."

Critical Fallibilism homepage: "Critical Fallibilism (CF) is a rational philosophy which explains how to evaluate ideas using decisive, critical arguments and accept only ideas with zero refutations (no known errors)."

Compared to some recent CF essays, Hackethal slightly rewords some points and uses synonyms ("outstanding criticism", "pending criticism", "unproblematic"). I've used those terms too, e.g. "outstanding criticism" is in Rationally Resolving Conflicts of Ideas, Judging Experts by the Objective State of the Debate, Paths Forward or Prediction Markets? and my discussion with Aubrey de Grey.

More important than the wording is the concept. Hackethal is talking about evaluating ideas in a binary way as non-refuted or refuted. He's basing refutation on even one non-refuted criticism. This is one of CF's main ideas which will be discussed more throughout this article. It's still the same idea even if you call non-refuted criticisms "pending" and call refuted ideas "problematic".

Hackethal also used CF's exact term "decisive criticism". He may be so immersed in studying CF that he doesn't realize how unique this term is to CF. Google searching "decisive criticism", the top two results, AI summary and sidebar (AI sources) are all CF material:

Decisive criticism Google search

Would I give each idea a slider where people can say how ‘good’ the idea is? What values would I give the slider? Would the worst value be -1,000 and the best +1,000? How would users know to assign 500 vs 550? Would a ‘weak’ criticism get a score of 500 and a ‘strong’ one 1,000? What if tomorrow somebody finds an even ‘stronger’ one, does that mean I’d need to extend the slider beyond 1,000? Do I include arbitrary decimal/real numbers? Is an idea’s score reduced by the sum of its criticisms’ scores? If an idea has score 0, what does that mean – undecided? If it has -500, does that mean I should reject it ‘more strongly’ than if it had only -100? And so on.

Criticizing score systems is a main point of CF. It's found in my Introduction to Critical Fallibilism, Yes or No Philosophy and Score Systems, Yes or No Philosophy (paid educational product), Yes or No Philosophy Summary (which has links to many other relevant essays), and Multi-Factor Decision Making Math.

In my understanding, Popper’s epistemology [...] does not assign strengths or weaknesses.

It's a core CF idea, repeated in many essays, to not evaluate how strong or weak ideas are. E.g. Introduction to Critical Fallibilism: "CF’s most important original idea is the rejection of strong and weak arguments." This is what my Yes or No Philosophy material is about.

It's [false that Popper avoided strength and weakness](#) like CF does.

If [the proponent of an idea] fails to address even a single criticism, the idea remains problematic and should be rejected.

If you can think of neither a revision of [an idea] nor counter-criticism to [a criticism of that idea], your only option is to accept that [that idea] has been (tentatively) defeated. You should therefore abandon it, which means: stop acting in accordance with it, considering it to be unproblematic, etc.

And (from Hackethal's Twitter):

4. Re decisiveness of criticism [bold in original]

[...] any criticism, no matter how small, is decisive if left unaddressed.

I've covered the issue of not discounting "small" criticism repeatedly, e.g. in Ignoring “Small” Errors and “Small” Errors, Frauds and Violences.

The main idea in these quotes is that criticism is decisive: it only takes one (non-refuted) criticism to refute an idea so that we should reject it. This is a core CF idea repeated in many essays, e.g. Introduction to Critical Fallibilism: "Criticisms should be decisive, rather than merely saying an idea isn't great. That means you don't accept both the criticism and its target because they’re incompatible".

I also discussed this with Hackethal on a call. And there was also a section titled "All Criticisms Are Decisive" in a confidential CF document I sent Hackethal in 2019. I'll provide details in the "Teaching Calls" and " Confidential Documents" sections below.

Any criticism no matter how small destroys its target decisively if unaddressed. Whether or not its decisive is determined by whether or not there are any counter-criticisms, not by assigning some strength score (a remnant of justificationism). A criticism is decisive as long as there are no counter-criticisms. In the absence of counter-criticisms, how could it not be decisive? [source, mirror]

This uses my decisive criticism idea again and my point about "small" criticism. It also refers to the "target" of a criticism. I used that "target" language in Introduction to Critical Fallibilism.

I said that scores are a form of justificationism in Kialo and Indecisive Arguments and other essays.

Also, decisiveness and refutation status are different things. A criticism is decisive if it contradicts its target so they can't both be correct. A criticism refutes a target if it's both decisive and non-refuted. A successful counter-criticism makes a criticism refuted, not indecisive. While Hackethal is recognizably copying CF, he's also introducing some errors.

That’s a fair concern if you’re talking about duplicate criticisms, which public intellectuals do field. The solution here is to publicly write a counter-criticism once and then refer to it again later.

I called this a "library of criticism" in Yes or No Philosophy. Hackethal calls Veritula a "dictionary for ideas". The "dictionary" keeps track of ideas and lets people refer to them again later so that they don't "have same [sic] discussions over and over again". My "library of criticism" also let people "refer" to "counter-criticisms [and regular criticisms] ... again later".

I've also talked about this repeatedly in my many essays ("Thinkers should write reusable answers to arguments") on Paths Forward ("You can reuse answers that were already written down in the past, by you or others." and "Most bad ideas get pretty repetitive. People will keep bringing up the same points over and over. That’s fine. They don’t know better. You can deal with it by answering the issue once, then after that refer people to your existing answer.").

If you’re talking about new criticisms, however, I think you should address and not dismiss them.

This is also in my original Paths Forward essay: "If there are good ideas already written down (or in any format which allows reuse), then you can save lots of time. If there aren’t (reusable) answers yet, then the issues people are raising are worth taking some time to answer properly."

My Paths Forward Summary makes this point too: "In general, either an issue has been answered before or else it’s worth the time for someone to answer it."

Discussion trees

This is a distinctive CF term. Maybe Hackethal has studied CF so much that it seems like a normal term to him, not a recognizable part of CF. On Google, searching for discussion trees, the only relevant result is my essay Discussion Trees; the rest of the results are for decision trees. And searching discussion tree, Google automatically gives results for decision tree.

Discussion tree search

Discussion tree search 2

Discussion trees search

Since there can be many criticisms (which are also just ideas) and deeply nested counter-criticisms, the result is a tree structure. For example, as a discussion progresses, one of its trees might look like this:

Comments that aren’t criticisms – eg follow-up questions or otherwise neutral comments – are considered ancillary ideas. Unlike criticisms, ancillary ideas do not invert their respective parents’ statuses. They are neutral.

The idea of comment or question nodes is in my Discussion Trees essay: "A node can be e.g. a statement, claim, argument, explanation, question or comment."

The idea that the comments are neutral, rather than refuting their parent, is also in my essay: "Positive arguments, inconclusive negative arguments and explanatory comments are never decisive arguments." and "Decisive arguments shouldn’t be ignored. They’re mandatory to address. Other nodes don’t necessarily have to be dealt with."

The idea that criticisms refute their parent node is also in my essay: "Decisive (also called conclusive or essential) arguments argue that the parent is incorrect." and "If a decisive argument node or group is resolved as correct, then its parent must be resolved as incorrect."

My essay emphasizes distinguishing between neutral and non-neutral nodes: "Figuring out which arguments are decisive or not, and focusing on making and resolving decisive arguments, is the most effective way to reach a conclusion." I emphasize this distinction so much that I suggest deleting all indecisive nodes as an option: "You can convert a discussion tree to a strict debate tree by deleting all indecisive parts. More informally, you can include indecisive arguments and commentary in a debate tree as long as the decisive and indecisive parts are clearly labelled".

Again, criticisms are also just ideas, so the same is true for criticisms.

This is in my essay Artificial General Intelligence Speculations. I also told it to Hackethal on a call. I'll provide a quote from the call in the "Teaching Calls" section below.

Veritula implements a recursive epistemology. For a criticism to be pending, it can’t have any pending criticisms itself, and so on, in a deeply nested fashion.

That's how CF says criticism works. I described that system in my Discussion Trees essay. I've also talked about recursion in epistemology repeatedly, e.g. in Resolving Conflicting Ideas. I also talked with Hackethal about recursion on a call when he paid me to teach him about philosophy.

[Veritula] does not tell you what to think – it teaches you how to think.

Introduction to Critical Fallibilism: "Overall, CF helps explain how reasoning works. It provides tools and methods you can use to think better. It’s more about how to think than what to think. It enables you to think better rather than telling you what beliefs to have." While this isn't an original idea, it adds to the pattern where Hackethal keeps saying the same things as me.

Visions of Grandeur

Tom Nassis, who presumably didn't know Veritula misattributes CF's ideas to Popper, said: "Veritula deserves to scale to the size of Wikipedia." Hackethal replied (mirror):

I agree that Veritula deserves to scale to something huge.

Hackethal believes the CF ideas he's using, without crediting me, are extremely good, important and valuable. He's a fan of CF who has been trying to persuade people that CF is right while David Deutsch and Popper are wrong. But he calls it Popper being right and Deutsch wrong, and he pretends that CF doesn't exist. Actually, Popper's ideas were different than CF.

Quoting Benjamin Davies, Hackethal wrote (mirror):

I would also consider financially supporting someone who gave me good reason to think they had the vision, the motivation, and the technical skill to create it.

I’m interested. Let’s continue this discussion privately for now. Email me:

Hackethal is using my ideas to pretend to have a vision. He's trying to secure financial support for himself using my vision and my ability to develop good new philosophical ideas.

On his blog, Hackethal wrote:

somebody [in person at a Popperian event] suggested I start a movement called ‘Hackethalism’. I rather like that name

Some people apparently now believe he has great, original philosophical ideas. Which ideas are "Hackethalism"? If they're my ideas, we have a problem. If they're other ideas, which ones and where are they published? I've never seen Hackethal write significant, original ideas.

I fear that he wants to get rich and famous by taking my ideas and naming them after himself. It's flattering if he likes my ideas so much that he wants to put his name on them, but that's not OK. Renaming Critical Fallibilism to "Hackethalism" would go beyond normal plagiarism.

Naming it "Hackethalism" also contradicts his other strategy of attributing the ideas to Popper (which I refuted). Logically, CF's ideas can't, at the same time, be Popper's ideas that he wrote decades ago and also be new ideas called "Hackethalism".

Other Copying

Hackethal made an anti-misquotes website. Opposing misquotes was an ongoing campaign of mine for many years before Hackethal started writing similarly about it. When participating in my community, Hackethal was exposed to my ideas about quotations in multiple emails and chats before he started studying my work from a distance. On 2019-02-11, as a forum moderator, I brought up an issue with Hackethal's quoting to him because, like most newer members, he violated the group policies.

Hackethal also copies me in small ways, e.g. coloring italics red. For many years I've changed the color of italics in my articles so they visually stand out more. This can't be plagiarism since Hackethal doesn't claim credit for inventing the idea. I don't think colored italics are my original idea, but I think Hackethal probably copied the idea from me.

Hackethal probably also copied the way I write a lot in my own blog comments section following up on my own posts. It's an unusual thing to do. Copying it isn't plagiarism since Hackethal doesn't take credit for the idea. And I'm not claiming it's my original idea. But I do think he got it from me. It adds to the pattern of him studying and copying me.

Hackethal wrote on Veritula, "We can criticize theories for being arbitrary (which is another word for ‘easy to vary’)." Before The Beginning of Infinity was published, I argued to David Deutsch that "easy to vary" was the same issue as being arbitrary. I've made this point publicly too.

In Hackethal's Where's David Deutsch's Accountability? (mirror), we find more evidence that he's studied my writing. It seems inspired by me. It uses a lot of my approach to criticism and my style. It's his best post that I've seen. It has some good criticism of Deutsch. It isn't plagiarism and giving credit for general inspiration isn't mandatory (though it's often good, to and people often do it). While the post uses some of my methods, it doesn't explain those methods or otherwise try to take credit for inventing them. The substantive points critiquing Deutsch are adequately original to avoid plagiarism even though they're similar to points I've made. The use of Atlas Shrugged quotes is similar to my writing – I've used similar quotes from the same book for similar purposes before – but it doesn't cross a line by itself. It adds to the overall pattern and helps show how much Hackethal has learned from me. I've had multiple people comment about how some of his writing sounds extremely similar to mine (for both style and content).

I also have two examples from the comment section on that post, both written by Hackethal:

why hasn’t he [Deutsch] made any meaningful progress in the past ~15 years, possibly 25?

The 15 year end of the range comes from a simple analysis: Deutsch's book The Beginning of Infinity (BoI) involved progress but he hasn't done anything major since then. While I've said this, someone else could realistically come up with the same idea themselves.

But what's going on with the 25 year end of the range? That's saying Deutsch stopped making progress long before publishing BoI. How would Hackethal know that? It's an unusual thing to claim without insider knowledge. I knew Deutsch personally during that time period and helped with BoI (Hackethal did not). I've publicly commented about Deutsch knowing most of the ideas in BoI long before publication and not being very productive in the decade before publication. Am I Hackethal's source for this? I don't know of another public source for this claim besides me.

And think of how much more progress Deutsch could make if he was more methodical and did fewer, easier things!

This isn't plagiarism. It doesn't take credit for my ideas. It doesn't even explain the idea it's talking about. Someone else saying it might mean something different. But I interpret it as Hackethal talking about one of my ideas that I've discussed many times, but without citing me. I think it shows how immersed in my work he is that he writes short, vague references to my ideas, without giving links, and he seems to expect people to understand what he's saying.

Hackethal spent months in my community, hired me to teach him, and wrote around 50,000 words about me (including many quotes of obscure stuff I said, not just in essays but even in old chatroom archives). He's known about my work for seven years and seems to have studied it extensively. I don't think him writing about the same ideas as me, including my original ideas, is a coincidence.

Teaching Calls

In 2018 and 2019, Hackethal hired me to help him learn philosophy. He did not hire me to ghost write for him. I've never sold ghost writing services. He didn't ask for, nor receive, permission to use any of my ideas without crediting me.

During our 2019-01-27 call, we discussed Critical Fallibilism (specifically some of the core ideas that I also call "Yes or No Philosophy"). "David" refers to David Deutsch. This is edited slightly to delete some "umm", "like", ungrammatical repetition, and minor interjections like "yeah". Quotes:

Temple: I think that Popper and David's versions have flaws, and definitely incompletenesses, and that I've discovered a few of them. And I think there's more out there, besides what I've discovered, that still needs fixing or clarifying or something. The biggest one is the Yes or No Philosophy stuff, that ideas should be evaluated in a boolean way, a binary way, rather than with a real number score. So I divide ideas into refuted and non-refuted. And Popper and David are both somewhat ambiguous on this and don't look at it in that way. And that leads to problems. In the Yes or No Philosophy material, I have like a dozen quotes from each of them, from their books, where I point out parts that I disagree with or find ambiguous

Hackethal: I was gonna ask you, okay, so evaluating ideas in a binary way, that's your solution to the problem of evaluating them in a real number system?

Hackethal knows, and said on a call with me, that evaluating ideas in a binary way is my solution.

Temple: You would actually get a much better value buying [my Yes or No Philosophy educational product than paying for calls] because I spent a month making videos and essays so that I would have reusable material that lots of people could learn from.

Hackethal: Okay. So Yes or No Philosophy is your philosophy that addresses shortcomings in both Popper's and Deutsch's philosophies?

Hackethal knows that I developed new ideas like Yes or No Philosophy to address shortcomings in Popper's and Deutsch's philosophies.

During our 2018-12-24 call, I told Hackethal that criticisms are just ideas:

[Elliot Temple:] One of my ideas about where to start [on artificial general intelligence] is with a data structure for ideas. Because I think it should have certain properties that are hard. And I'm not aware of any progress on this, but I think it's important to have some sort of data structure that is for ideas universally. Like not having different data structures for different types of ideas, but having one generic one, so that all ideas are treated the same. And the things that it needs to be able to do include criticisms. So, like, I don't think there should be a separate data structure for like claims about the world and for criticisms. I think it'd be one generic data structure. Okay, and then you have to have some way of figuring out like, which ideas are criticisms of which other ideas, like which ones are in some way pointing out an error and another idea.

Confidential Documents

As part of the paid teaching, I sent Hackethal a 59 page CONFIDENTIAL DRAFT Critical Fallibilism Website.pdf. Perhaps I was too naive and trusting, although I already had already published other writing about most of the ideas in the document. I challenged critical preferences in 2010, then wrote other essays, then released my Yes or No Philosophy product in 2017. I taught my Critical Fallibilism course in 2020 and launched the Critical Fallibilism website in 2021. Hackethal launched Veritula in 2024.

Here are quotes from CONFIDENTIAL DRAFT Critical Fallibilism Website.pdf (I fixed the link because the website moved):

Elliot Temple’s improvements [to Karl Popper's Critical Rationalism] include:

  • Yes or No Philosophy explains that ideas should be judged in a binary way: non-refuted or refuted. We can always act on non-refuted ideas, despite having limited resources such as limited time.

Yes or No Philosophy

A “binary” issue is one with only two answers, e.g. yes or no. Epistemology is fundamentally binary. E.g. you can accept an idea, or not. You can reject an idea, or not. You can decide a criticism refutes an idea, or not. You can decide an idea solves a problem, or not.

The idea of supporting arguments is a mistake. The idea of strong or weak arguments is a mistake.

People commonly find binary judgements difficult or scary. They want to hedge or equivocate. That only makes things worse. Either you accept and act on an idea, or you don’t, and there’s no point in being vague about which one you’re choosing and why. (If you accept and act on a compromise idea, you have accepted and acted on a different idea.)

Non-Refuted

We should accept and act on non-refuted ideas. There’s no higher or better status an idea can have, no positive justification.

Why should we choose non-refuted ideas? Because they have no known errors and the only alternatives are refuted ideas: ideas that do have known errors. An idea that we don’t see anything wrong with is preferable to one that we do see something wrong with. What if we have multiple, competing, non-refuted ideas to solve a problem? Then it doesn’t matter which you use; they’re all fine. You may change problems to a more ambitious one if you like (by adding extra requirements to your goal, you can rule out some solutions and then act on one that gives you something extra), but you can also just proceed with any solution and move on to thinking about something else.

What if you have two non-refuted ideas that contradict each other, and each claims the other won’t work? Then since neither can address the matter satisfactorily (and thus guide you about what to do), they are both refuted. Both are inadequate to guide you in how to address this problem. Then your options are to solve a less ambitious problem (e.g. given you don’t know how to resolve the conflict between those two ideas, what should you do?) or to brainstorm new solutions to this problem (e.g. try to come up with improved, variant ideas).

All Criticisms Are Decisive

Either an idea does or doesn’t solve a problem (equivalently: accomplish its purpose). People don’t understand this due to stating problems vaguely without clear criteria for what is and isn’t a solution. Fix your problems and you’ll find that all criticisms are decisive or do nothing (there’s no in between). A criticism either explains why an idea won’t achieve the success criteria its supposed to (so don’t use it), or the criticism doesn’t explain that.

When you act, you pick an idea to accept and you reject the alternatives. Life involves binary choice. Your thinking should mirror this. Hedging won’t get you anywhere because you still have to act on some ideas and not others. When you act, you have some kind of plan, strategy or idea behind the action. If you have multiple ideas, then either they fit together as one big idea, one overall plan, or else you’re trying to act on contradictory ideas at the same time and will fail.

Confusion about this is common because of compromise ideas. What if there are two extreme ideas and you find a middle ground? Then you rejected both extreme ideas and accepted a third idea, which is a new and different idea (even though it shares some pieces with the rejected ideas). So, as always, when you act you accept some idea about how to act and reject all the others. If the accepted idea is a complex, multi-part idea which contains some good aspects of rejected ideas, that doesn’t prevent it from being a single idea in its own right that you’re accepting and acting on, while the other versions of it and rivals are all rejected. For a given issue, you always have to pick something you accept and reject everything else.

I also sent Hackethal Call 2 Notes.pdf (6 pages) which included this (I fixed the link):

Yes or No Philosophy

Popper talked about critical preferences where, in light of the criticism, we prefer some ideas to others (as a matter of degree). He also talked sometimes about strong and weak arguments (as a matter of degree). I criticize that and propose a binary approach. I still view this as building on Popperian philosophy, but it’s more of a criticism than the other material that adds extra stuff. I think this approach makes epistemology more elegant and cleans up lots of small issues in addition to the major corrections. I argue that all ideas should be categorized as (tentatively, fallibly) non-refuted or refuted, and provide methods for dealing with the situation of having rival non-refuted ideas. Similarly I claim all criticisms are either decisive or false (no partial criticism or partial refutation). A criticism either refutes an idea or has no negative effect at all.

It’s a big change from the mainstream epistemology that tries to evaluate how good ideas are as a way of choosing between them (they will use criticism some, but then they will have multiple ideas they regard as not being decisively refuted, and they use how good to choose between those). But it’s about equally different from what many Popperians might try using instead: judging how bad ideas are as a way of choosing between them. One can replace supporting arguments with critical arguments while still keeping the same approach of essentially giving ideas scores/points, which I think is wrong.

Understanding this will give you a different perspective on fitness functions.

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Resources

Read and watch these to learn more about plagiarism:

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Conclusion

Hackethal uses Critical Fallibilism ideas extensively without crediting me, particularly for Veritula. This is similar to how I previously accused his book of plagiarizing me.

Falsely saying CF ideas come from Popper (with no evidence, quotes or citations) does harm. Like plagiarism, it uses my ideas without crediting me. It also implies I plagiarized Popper. It confuses people about what Popper's views were and attributes unpopular ideas to him. It implies that Popper experts like David Deutsch and David Miller misunderstood Popper (Hackethal is implying that their books are bad.) It's worse than plagiarism.

If Hackethal changed his mind about what he said during our call ("so evaluating ideas in a binary way, that's your solution", "So Yes or No Philosophy is your philosophy that addresses shortcomings in both Popper's and Deutsch's philosophies?"), he should have explained that and argued his case using Popper citations. Attributing those ideas to Popper without evidence is unfair to me, Popper, and other Popperians.

It took me over twenty years to develop CF to what it is today. Hackethal is misappropriating my life's work as a shortcut. Instead of developing original ideas, which is hard, he found someone who isn't famous (me) and is using their ideas without crediting them.


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Dennis Hackethal Is a Bully

After threatening to sue me and writing five blog posts about me, Dennis Hackethal published another blog post, some long blog comments (some could be posts but he put them in the comment section) and multiple videos attacking me. It's over 10,000 more words and 1.5 hours of video. He also sent me eight rude tweets in a row even though I'm blocking him on Twitter (he used a second account to get around the block). The tweets taunted me and said "I plan to make many more videos about you". He won't leave me alone, won't discuss our conflict, and isn't interested in deescalation. He also doxed me. He's trying to bully me into removing everything I ever said about him from the internet, which is one of his twenty non-negotiable demands.

Despite this, I tried ignoring him again. After his lawsuit threat, I ignored him for eight months and refrained from blogging about it. After his blog posts about me, I responded minimally, then ignored him for six months despite his many followup attacks. Then, in addition to continuing to attack me and recently hassling my fan when he tried to discuss my philosophy ideas online (unrelated to Hackethal), Hackethal made a website, Veritula, which uses Critical Fallibilism ideas without crediting me. Unfortunately, I don't think ignoring Hackethal is a viable option. He won't leave me alone.

For context, please note that he asked me not to respond to his posts. He said he wouldn't discuss and that he would consider it mistreatment of him if I or any of my associates wrote responses to his accusations on our own websites. My silence was not in response to him wanting to discuss the conflict, which he said he wouldn't do. Silence is what he asked for (but has no right to).

This post will respond to multiple issues in a series of fairly independent sections. One of my main themes is that Hackethal's factual claims are often false and often contradict his own sources, so don't believe his statements without analyzing the evidence yourself, even if they appear well-sourced.

These are mostly points I could have made six months ago, but I tried to deescalate instead, which didn't work.

False Claims

There's a pattern where Hackethal's statements about me and what happened are misleading, factually false, or involve logical errors. Here's a representative example.

In my 2024-05-28 letter to Hackethal's lawyers, which I didn't get a reply to, I wrote:

I find it implausible that Hackethal is genuinely concerned about potential harm to his reputation from my posts given what he's been posting online under his real name. For example, after sending the cease and desist letter, he blogged:

"Men should check a woman’s average weight for the past five years (eg social-media pics)."

"Husband and wife are not ‘partners’. The wife is the husband’s support system. He leads, she follows."

"From a man’s perspective, a girl with piercings and tattoos doesn’t look like a wife or mother; she looks like a girl you have sex with and then get rid of."

"When a woman asks you what you do for a living, she wants to gauge how much money you make. You should be able to counter the question with: how much do you charge for submission?"

"It’s not fair for a severely overweight woman to expect her man to be loyal."

These quotes are from May 21, 2024 on Hackethal's blog at [redacted]. They show that he's not making a serious attempt to build a positive reputation as an innovative philosopher.

Eight months later, Hackethal blogged a response (link omitted, and I didn't use the word "proof" so those must be scare quotes):

In his correspondence with my lawyers, Temple said he found it implausible that I was concerned with my reputation. As ‘proof’, he gave out-of-context quotes from an article where I paraphrase controversial things someone else has said. I even give an explicit disclaimer at the top of the article saying “I don’t agree with everything [that person] says […]” (emphasis in the original!). Temple conveniently didn’t mention either of these facts and presented quotes as if they were my views. That’s lazy and dishonest.

Here's the disclaimer (bold added):

Kevin Samuels was an image consultant with a successful YouTube channel about dating and relationships. I don’t agree with everything he says, particularly his advocacy for the corporal punishment of children, but he has provided valuable advice about relationships to men and women alike. I’ve listened to and analyzed several dozens of his episodes, and discussed many as well. Here are my key takeaways from his show.

I thought Hackethal disagreed with Samuels about corporal punishment and some other topics, but agreed with a lot of Samuels' views on women and relationships. In particular, I thought that Hackethal agreed with his own "key takeaways" from Samuel's "valuable advice". He also called them "Key Insights" in his post title. And he's posted similar opinions on Reddit. So who is being misleading or "dishonest"?

Factual Errors

Here's another illustration of how (un)trustworthy Hackethal is. He wrote (bold added, link to his Quote Checker website removed):

[Elliot] claims I reached out to him in bad faith last year because I “was already researching lawsuits a month before that conversation […]”. I wanted to find lawsuits stemming from misquotes so that I could market my tool Quote Checker as helping people avoid such lawsuits because Quote Checker helps them quote properly. My legal complaints against Elliot have to do with defamation, not misquotes, and the link he gives is clearly about misquotes, not defamation, so there’s no reason for him to draw this false connection.

The Law Stack Exchange page in question isn't just about misquotes. The word "defamation" is on the page 18 times.

Please don't believe things just because he states them as facts and provides source links. His claims often contradict his sources.

Hackethal Hassled Justin Mallone

I'm not Hackethal's only target. He's attempted to bully Justin Mallone on Twitter and YouTube. Here's Mallone's final comment (with reformatting):

I initially was honestly annoyed at YouTube's moderation and wanted to give you [Dennis Hackethal] an opportunity to post your thoughts and have tried to engage with you a bit. Based on your replies here, I now think that was a mistake. You seem to be engaging in bad faith. I do not believe you are represented [by a lawyer]. I think you are bluffing. I do not think any person operating with legal advice would conduct themselves in the manner you are conducting yourself. I also do not think any reputable law firm would have any association with you. You also appear to be trying to weaponize "no contact requests" (which you appear not to understand) to let you post things without having to deal with replies. I will be deleting your YouTube comment and blocking you. Please do not contact me personally again. If you do indeed have lawyers, you can have them communicate for you.

Also, I think you are being abusive and unfair towards Elliot and should frankly get over criticism you didn't like that happened half a decade ago and move on with your life. The fact that you're stalking my forum visits is creepy as hell, btw.

People curious about this dispute should try reading Elliot's perspective instead of taking Dennis' vitriol on faith.

Plagiarism

Hackethal wrote:

I don’t believe Elliot mentions in his new articles that I have long addressed his complaint about ‘plagiarism’. (Five years ago!) By not mentioning that, he misleads his readers yet again.

I don't know what he's referring to. In the context of refusing to have back-and-forth communication where I can ask questions, it's unreasonable for Hackethal to say things like this without providing details or evidence.

I'm not trying to be difficult. I've tried to think of what he could mean and I've asked others if they know. Because the plagiarism topic is particularly important, I'll respond to my best guess about what he means. Note that he said he addressed it five years ago, so he can't be referring to anything in his recent blog posts.

My guess is that Hackethal means he addressed my plagiarism complaint by creating a second edition of his book, A Window on Intelligence.

Hackethal's position is, in the words of his lawyers: "Mr. Hackethal has never plagiarized anyone." The second edition of his book is irrelevant to this (unless it contains plagiarism). If the first edition contained plagiarism, then Hackethal did ever plagiarize someone.

My blog post was about the first edition. No changes in the second edition could make my statements about the first edition false.

Hackethal hasn't updated his book's website to say there is a second edition. As far as I know, he hasn't announced it or tried to notify the public about it. He hasn't said what changes it contains or why he made it. He hasn't apologized for the first edition or retracted anything.

I bought the book on Kindle but my ebook wasn't updated to the second edition when that came out in 2020. I couldn't even buy the book again to get the update because I already owned it. When I received a cease and desist letter in 2024, I still didn't have access to the second edition. After Hackethal started blogging about me in 2025, I checked again and he'd finally sent the update to Kindle customers like me, four or five years late.

Quoting Defamation

Suppose I'm a journalist or blogger. An anonymous source sends me a tip: a celebrity is a chainsaw murderer. I publish an article accusing him of chainsaw murder. It turns out he's not a murderer. He sues me for defamation. Who will win? He will.

Now suppose I get the same tip but I'm a little more careful. I publish an article quoting an anonymous email accusing the celebrity of chainsaw murder. I don't make any accusations myself; I just truthfully, accurately share quotations. The celebrity sues me for defamation. Who will win? He will.

In the scenario, I did no fact checking or due diligence. I recklessly and/or negligently published a damaging, false claim. Quotation marks don't automatically make me innocent when I introduce the claim to the public or repeat it.

Hackethal published quotes attacking me, which he calls testimonials, mostly from anonymous sources. Some of the information is factually false. Hackethal's justification is:

But just so my readers know that these are real quotes from real people, let me state that I could easily produce the original texts in court one day, if ordered to.

Even if the quotes are accurate (someone else really said those things to Hackethal), it's still defamation. Before publishing those claims, Hackethal should have fact-checked them. He published them on his website so he's responsible for their correctness.

A common journalistic practice is to get two independent sources before publishing a claim. Hackethal didn't make reasonable efforts to ensure that the highly damaging statements he published were actually true. He's also refusing to communicate, so he won't retract them now or listen to corrections. His behavior is careless (or worse) and violates civil law.

Hackethal also published a wild email he (claims to have) received from an anonymous person. The email insults me and confesses to harassing me for years, which would be a crime if they weren't lying (they appear to be at least partially lying). Hackethal presented it as a quotation, but that doesn't mean he didn't do anything wrong by publishing it. He doesn't appear to have done fact checking before publishing. The confession basically says they did all the harassment, therefore everyone else is innocent. It provides no evidence and ignores the times people harassed me using their real names.

I reiterate my request that Hackethal retract defamatory materials about me, including quotations. I'd be willing to provide additional details and report more factual errors if Hackethal were willing to receive information and do removals or corrections.

No Contact

Hackethal wrote in a blog comment:

In addition to posting new defamatory articles about me, he [Temple] has also broken my no-contact request. As a result, I now consider his no-contact request null and void.

I don't know what he's referring to. I didn't contact him before he posted that. (I did later CC him on an email to his lawyers, who still have said nothing to me for over a year.) My best guess is he's referring to me writing blog posts responding to his posts about me. I don't think demanding people stop defending themselves on their own blogs is how no contact requests work, but that is what his request's wording appears to say.

Note: Hackethal was welcome to send me emails related to our dispute. He wasn't welcome to contact me in other ways, such as off-topic emails or switching Twitter accounts to send me more rude tweets. As far as my no contact request is concerned, of course he's allowed to blog about me because that isn't contact; the problem with his blog posts is that they're defamatory cyber bullying and contain factual falsehoods. However, after escalations like doxing, I have a new policy for Hackethal: he's no longer welcome to contact me at all. His lawyers can contact me if necessary. I'm also willing to communicate with other people, besides Hackethal, to attempt conflict resolution.

Hackethal also commented:

Elliot has yet to respond to [multiple things Hackethal wrote] (all of which he’s hiding by not linking to my exposé). (Wait for him to twist the part “has yet to respond” into me requesting more defamatory blog posts about me.)

and

[Elliot's] been evading several issues such as plagiarism, disregard for copyright, invasion of privacy, etc. Like, he hasn’t commented on them at all.

I find his complaint about me not responding enough to him bizarre given that:

  1. He's openly, explicitly refusing to discuss our conflict with me.
  2. He issued a no contact request to me.
  3. I already wrote a response letter over a year ago and I'm still waiting for a reply.
  4. He doesn't like any of my responses.
  5. When I do respond, he claims it's illegal defamation without giving useful specifics. That discourages responding, especially considering that he's threatened to sue me.

He also complained about me not providing links to his exposé. I generally try not to link to rights-violating content. Also, as I read it, his no contact request said not to link to him, so he seems to be contradicting himself by wanting a link. And it's not difficult to find his posts.

Breaking People

Hackethal says I've bragged about being able to "break" people (meaning writing enough criticism that people don't want to talk anymore). That's false: I didn't brag about that; I lamented it. That's a bad outcome that I try to avoid. People sometimes ask me to share all the criticism that I can, with no limits, and I sometimes respond by warning them against that and refusing to do it. I used to be more trusting of people who said they liked and wanted criticism, but I've become more skeptical.

For example, Hackethal wrote (mirror):

Elliot Temple is a bad, dangerous person who repeatedly verbally abused Deutsch, delights in ‘breaking’ people (his words, not mine), invades their privacy, lies to ruin their reputation, and more.

I never said that I delight in breaking people. It would be bad enough to accuse me of that, but falsely saying that I admitted it, and that it's my words, is really nasty. This is another example of how you shouldn't trust what Hackethal says.

Doxing

Dennis Hackethal doxed me. I don't share my photo online. He published photos of me.

Quotes and Sources

Hackethal frequently uses source links to make his claims look true. The source links often go to very long posts, not to anything specific. If you make a non-specific claim like "John is toxic", then a non-specific link to a long post on the general theme of John's toxicity is appropriate. In that case, the linked post has multiple relevant parts and the majority of it is relevant. If you make a specific claim, like that John said X or did Y, then a specific source is needed, not a link to an entire long post that may or may not contain a small, relevant section somewhere in the long post.

When Hackethal gives a quotation, it may be accurate but then he may make incorrect statements about what the quote said or uses flawed logic to draw incorrect conclusions from the quote. If you do a close reading to compare the quotes to the commentary on the quotes you can find major discrepancies. Similarly, when he paraphrases a quote he just gave, or paraphrases a source link, the paraphrase is often inaccurate.

The errors are frequent enough that many people would see it as unreasonable and be caught off guard because they don't expect a writer to be that unreasonable, especially when the general format (quotations and frequent source links) looks good and the author writes in a reasonably formal, educated style. I've given several examples of errors in this post but they're just a few representative examples and I wanted to warn people that there are many more.

Testimonials

Hackethal posted anonymous testimonials attacking me. He admits to editing them. He doesn't even claim to have gotten the approval of the authors for the edits (or to post the originals, for that matter). Most of the quotes appear to be people venting, not speaking for publication. He removed 5 quotes from the post without explanation. Why? Did someone complain? Does Hackethal post multiple quotes from one person but present them so readers would think they're from different people?

When a business posts testimonials, people expect that each testimonial is from a different person who isn't associated with the business (not an employee, friend, family member, etc). I find the quotes suspicious and doubt he really got that many different people, who aren't his buddies, who actually had a significant amount of experience with me, to say these things.

Also, the testimonials follow a broad pattern: Hackethal usually doesn't directly attack my actual words or actions. Instead, he focuses on people's opinions, his summaries of what he thinks happened, and other secondary issues. He says my forum community is toxic, but instead of backing that up with a bunch of quotes of me being toxic, he tries to back it up with anonymous quotes of people claiming I was toxic many years ago. The quotes don't give dates but generally seem to be referring to stuff from before the Critical Fallibilism forum existed.

Monitoring

Hackethal wrote:

Elliot vowed to monitor my success into the indefinite future to ruin my reputation by bringing up past complaints

Hackethal keeps repeating claims along these lines, so I want to make a clear statement addressing this: I did not vow to monitor Hackethal, ruin his reputation, or bring up past complaints. I have not been and am not currently monitoring his success. My goal is to protect myself, not to ruin his reputation. If he would leave me alone, then I would leave him alone.

Hackethal says he had to attack me because I would never leave him alone, so he started attacking me after I hadn't attacked him for four years. He claims to be attacking me, not because I attacked him, but because I might attack him in the future, and he has to deal with that potential threat from him misreading an old chat message. But I think this is an excuse; I don't think clarifying this point will stop Hackethal's attacks.

I blogged about him in 2020 and he escalated to lawyers in 2024 after I'd been ignoring him for 4 years. Although he was continuously selling a book that wronged me, and he refused to discuss my concerns, I tried to move on. Then when I was threatened by his lawyers, I tried to be reasonable. I offered to make some changes and to negotiate. When they wouldn't discuss the conflict, I left Hackethal alone again instead of blogging critiques of his unreasonable legal threats, but he was unwilling to leave me alone and started blogging about me in 2025.

He's done more things which I have serious complaints about (that so far I haven't blogged about) but I didn't even notice until he got my attention. I wasn't monitoring him and only reviewed his activities after the legal threats and again after the exposé. I didn't even notice the exposé about me immediately, nor the Veritula website, because I wasn't monitoring him.

Where does the monitoring claim come from? He's been reading old chat logs from my Discord server. He wasn't a member but got a copy of what was said. He's spent many hours digging through my online history to try to find dirt and stuff to be mad about (and not found much).

Regarding the old chat log, he misread, misunderstood or made logical errors regarding what was said. This fits the pattern of how he's dealt with other things.

The chat is from before my 2020 blog post accusing Hackethal of plagiarism. I'd emailed Hackethal about the issue and he hadn't responded yet. I was considering how ignoring my complaint would or wouldn't work as a strategy for him. I thought that if he ignored me, then got popular, then even if I did nothing at the time, his fans could notice or I could say something later. So I didn't see how ignoring the issue would be a good strategy for him. Having plagiarized in a book doesn't just go away and become a non-issue automatically after some years pass; just ignoring the problem doesn't solve it. There was no "vow", just a comment that I didn't think ignoring my complaint was a viable longterm strategy for Hackethal. (At the time, I thought people cared about plagiarism, but now I think I was mistaken. If people are already someone's fan and biased in their favor, they often won't care about plagiarism or many other problems. Most people don't take sides in disputes based on facts and logic.)

A few days later I blogged my complaint about the plagiarism and tried to move on with no monitoring. I didn't write a blog post about Hackethal again until 2025 after his blog posts about me.

In retrospect, I seem to have been basically correct: Hackethal tried to ignore the issue for years but he was unsatisfied with the results. But all that took was one blog post, not any additional actions or monitoring. In retrospect, he should have discussed that matter with me over email before I put up my blog post, rather than trying to ignore my complaint. What can he do now? I suggest that Hackethal stop trying to ignore the issue and instead write a response to my plagiarism accusation which refutes my accusations passage by passage. Or if he can't refute my criticism, and can't ignore it, then he should apologize, negotiate and try to fix and make up for his mistakes.

Hackethal has written over 50,000 words about me. He attacked me at length. But I don't think that's helping his reputation. And in all that text, he still didn't attempt to go through each passage I brought up and address it. Instead of defending his own actions, he focused on counter-attacking against me. Instead of using rational persuasion to show his innocence, he's trying to attack me to pressure me into silence.

Also, he says he avoided reading my blog for years to help prevent potential plagiarism of me. But then at some point he started reading my blog again. When and why? Why won't he just leave me alone and stop monitoring my philosophy work? Not reading my blog to try to avoid plagiarizing my new ideas was a good plan that he should have continued.

Recruiting

In November 2025, Hackethal wrote:

Elliot is now contacting members from my forum and trying to recruit them to his, hoping they won’t know he’s already been called out on his tactics.

This is false. I didn't do that ("trying to recruit" or "hoping"). I think this is another good example of how inaccurate many of Hackethal's claims are. To illustrate, here's a message I sent to one of my Twitter followers who has posted on Veritula (Hackethal's forum):

Hi, I thought you'd want to know that Veritula is not actually a programmatic implementation of Popper's epistemology. It uses ideas I created, so if you like them you can learn more from my essays. See: criticalfallibilism.com/dennis-hackethal-falsely-implied-that-critical-fallibilism-plagiarizes-karl-popper/

I wasn't "trying to recruit" for my forum. I didn't mention my forum. I was concerned with receiving credit for Critical Fallibilism (CF) ideas, and refuting misinformation, not with gaining a forum member.

While Hackethal presents himself as not wanting to face competition from my forum, I suspect the bigger issue is that he doesn't want people to read detailed evidence (including many quotations) that Veritula falsely attributes CF ideas to Popper.

Rather than "hoping" that people haven't seen Hackethal's attacks against me (which have little relevance to my arguments and evidence about Veritula), I have been hoping for years to discuss the conflict. I hope that people who have seen Hackethal's call outs against me will either agree with me or be willing to discuss.

It's also hypocritical for Hackethal to make this complaint after he contacted people in my audience (which he didn't disclose).

Timeline

I first talked with Hackethal in December 2018. He stopped participating at my community in April 2019. I published a blog post about harassment from Andy B in February 2020 which brought up relevant people including Hackethal (who had falsely told people that I had "insinuated violence" towards him). I published a blog post attacking Hackethal for plagiarism in April 2020 after he refused to discuss the matter by email. After that, my posts complaining about harassment focused mostly on David Deutsch, and Hackethal was barely mentioned.

There were no other major events between us until 2024 when he emailed me. That conversation wasn't productive because I didn't know why he emailed me or what he wanted. Nothing major happened in those emails. Then his lawyers contacted me and I finally found out what he wants: for me to delete everything I ever said about him and never mention him again (which would apply even if he plagiarizes me in the future). After I wrote a detailed letter to his lawyers, they stopped responding. My offers to negotiate, discuss or correct any errors in my posts were ignored or declined. They raised the concern that I had called Hackethal a criminal; I said I didn't intend to do that and I offered to remove any statements calling him a criminal if they pointed the statements out, but they ignored me. I couldn't remove the statements by myself because I didn't know of any statements that said it, and I found none after multiple rereads and searches. After his lawyers stopped responding, I didn't blog any complaints and tried to move on. But eight months later, in 2025, Hackethal started attacking me on his blog and on social media. And he has continued attacking me to this day.

See also my Timeline of Dennis Hackethal Using My Ideas without Crediting Me.

Conclusion

Hackethal is a bully who is attacking me online. He has no right to demand that I stop saying anything negative about him, such as criticizing how his book treated me or writing posts like this one which respond to what he said about me. He only has a right to demand that I don't lie about him and I correct factual errors about him, but he has not even tried to report any specific errors for me to fix. He's trying to treat disagreeing with him as illegal defamation, with no need for him to give arguments or evidence.

He's never written a point-by-point rebuttal to my plagiarism criticisms. If I'm wrong about the specific passages I criticized, he could give counter-arguments that discuss those passages.

He plagiarized me, doxed me and threatened me with a nuisance lawsuit. He's attacking me and says he'll continue until I give in. He keeps calling me a cult leader. He says he won't discuss or negotiate. He's trying to silence me because I gave him a negative book review in 2020, or because he didn't like some online discussions we had in 2019, or I don't know why; I don't think his behavior or explanations make sense.

Even setting aside the free speech and bullying issues, giving in would let him use my philosophy ideas without crediting me, as he is now doing with Veritula. I want to end this conflict and be left alone but I don't see any viable options as long as he's so unreasonable.

Also, this short video may help explain Hackethal.

I wrote this post to explain the situation to reasonable people and to defend myself against some attacks as a representative sample. He's trying to harm my reputation and my philosophy career. If Hackethal contacts you about me, please send me what he says. If anyone wants to help me deal with Hackethal, contribute to my legal defense fund, or provide relevant information, please email me at curi@curi.us


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Dennis Hackethal's Defense for Plagiarism

In 2020, I accused Dennis Hackethal of plagiarizing me (and plagiarizing David Deutsch) in his book A Window on Intelligence: The Philosophy of People, Software, and Evolution – and Its Implications (2020). I tried to resolve the matter with him by email even though he published the book without giving me any advance warning. Regarding a part I said plagiarized me, he responded: "it looks like you did tell me that [sentence], in which case the right thing to do is to credit you". He then asked me to send him many issues at once, I did, and he stopped responding without denying plagiarism or communicating any objections to my post. Until 2024, I thought he knew he was guilty and was strategically ignoring me.

In 2024, Hackethal denied plagiarizing me, but he gave no evidence or reasoning. It was just an unargued assertion. In 2025, he gave some reasoning about why he thinks he didn't plagiarize me. (Timeline.)

His 2025 reasoning focuses mainly on straw manning and misquoting my criteria for what plagiarism is, then claiming I'm a hypocrite who is also a plagiarist by those false criteria. He inaccurately summarizes what my accusations say. He doesn't focus on defending his book.

This post will discuss DARVO and Hackethal's defenses against plagiarism. I tried to comment on everything resembling a defense of his book, but he mostly attacked me instead of defending his own actions.

What Is Plagiarism?

Hackethal presents inaccurate information about what I think plagiarism is and he doesn't specify what he thinks it is. I'll clarify:

Plagiarism is taking credit for ideas or knowledge that you got from a source rather than creating yourself.

Or, as I put it in 2020 when criticizing Hackethal's book:

Plagiarism is taking credit for ideas or writing that isn’t yours.

The New Oxford American Dictionary defines plagiarism as:

the practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own

The Macmillan English Dictionary defines plagiarism as:

the process of taking another person’s work, ideas, or words, and using them as if they were your own.

The Oxford English Dictionary defines plagiarize as:

to take and use as one's own the thoughts, writings, or inventions of another.

These all say pretty much the same thing. I think it's important to understand that any type of knowledge can be plagiarized, even if it's not in words or doesn't resemble a scientific theory.

DARVO

Yellow blockquotes are from Hackethal and omit links. Italics are in the originals but bold is added.

If I seem nitpicky as you read on, keep in mind that I’m not applying my own standard but his [Temple's] – I don’t consider the examples I give actual plagiarism, and neither should you. I merely want to prove his hypocrisy.

Hackethal's approach is called DARVO: Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender. First he denied plagiarizing me. Then, instead of analyzing his book and trying to defend it, he attacked me. He tried to shift the narrative to reverse who is the victim and who is the offender.

Hackethal's response to evidence of his wrongdoing is to go on offense. Instead of defending his book passages, he says that some of my blog and forum posts don't name David Deutsch while discussing his ideas. But those informal posts don't take credit for Deutsch's ideas. Deutsch was mentoring me while I wrote many of them and, to the best of my knowledge, he thought they were fine (we discussed my posts hundreds of times, he didn't raise concerns, and he often expressed praise, approval and encouragement). Leaving out a citation in an informal context is different than taking credit for inventing an idea. If a reader doesn't know where you got an idea, but doesn't think you invented it, that isn't plagiarism. And I did credit Deutsch hundreds of times.

I don’t consider the examples I give [of Elliot Temple's writing] actual plagiarism, and neither should you.

Hackethal later called me a plagiarist on Twitter with no evidence, reasoning, details or link. If he doesn't think these examples are actual plagiarism, then why is he calling me a plagiarist? When you call someone a plagiarist you should give examples and reasoning. This seems like more DARVO: he's calling me a plagiarist, with zero evidence, because I called him one (with evidence).

Permission to Plagiarize?

One of Hackethal's defenses is that, in one case, I allegedly gave him permission to use some of my ideas without crediting me:

‘Maybe Deutsch gave Temple permission to use those ideas.’ Maybe, but I had Temple’s permission to use examples of his to explain a concept in my writing, yet he claimed I plagiarized it.[3] He conveniently doesn’t mention that in his article.[4] That’s dishonest – see my discussion of honesty below. The fact that I asked for permission shows that I’m considerate, but if he mentions that, people might not believe his plagiarism narrative about me.

I don't know what the first sentence is a quotation of, if anything.

Hackethal's footnote 4 admits that I publicly mentioned the permission in a video. He knows I wasn't trying to hide it.

Hackethal's footnote 3 says:

After helpfully suggesting an improvement to one of Temple’s blog posts, I asked him on 2019-01-30 whether I could use my own translation of his programming examples into another language in my writing. I asked: “With your permission, I’d like to use these examples […] in my paper.” He replied that same day: “Sure.” Temple does not credit me for the improvement, by the way. More hypocrisy. ↩

These quotes are accurate but they don't say what Hackethal seems to think they say. He didn't ask for, nor receive, permission to use my examples without credit. He also didn't ask for, nor receive, permission to use them in a book. If you want someone to be your ghostwriter, you have to ask for that explicitly, and probably pay them. A reasonable person would interpret his question as asking for permission to quote or paraphrase me with credit.

There are cases where asking for permission is unnecessary but people still do it. Asking can be a courtesy. And written permission is a better defense against copyright complaints than fair use.

I thought Hackethal was asking for those two normal reasons (courtesy and greater security against copyright complaints). It didn't even occur to me that he was asking for permission to put the material in his paper with no citation or credit. That would be unusual and it would be unethical even with my permission.

Even if someone gives you permission to use their work without crediting them, e.g. you hire someone to write your essay for school, that is still plagiarism. Permission and fair use are both defenses against copyright infringement but they aren't defenses against plagiarism.

Hackethal doesn't seem to understand plagiarism, or know what is or isn't plagiarism. That makes his denials of plagiarism pretty worthless. It sounds like he would intentionally use ideas without crediting his source – plagiarize – if he thought he had permission. And he apparently thought he had permission from me.

Also, the reason I didn't credit Hackethal for the improvement he suggested is because it wasn't an important, original idea. He suggested changing one tiny detail in order to prevent a potential pedantic complaint. I generally don't credit people for correcting my typos or making small wording suggestions. This is standard practice followed by other authors. For example, I made nine suggestions for Jordan Peterson's book, 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos. Peterson thanked me by email and said the book would be changed "asap", but he didn't publicly credit me. That's fine because my contributions were small.

Plagiarism Checkers

I also ran my book through an online plagiarism checker before publication, which came up empty – more evidence that I’m considerate

This is a bad argument. Those checkers are well known to provide lots of false negatives and false positives.

Even if he had done his best to check for plagiarism before publication, his actions after becoming aware of the problem are more important. He didn't say "Sorry, the online checker I used missed it. I'll fix it ASAP." His completely different behavior is what prompted me to publish a blog post.

Also, since Hackethal knew he had recently learned directly from me about topics covered in his book, and he knew my name wasn't in the book, he should have reviewed my material and our interaction history to check for potential plagiarism instead of just using a generic online checker.

When he hired me to teach him or asked for free help on my forum, he didn't disclose that he was writing a book (or planning to write one soon? he still hasn't shared the timeline). He also didn't share any draft material before publication to let me comment, didn't send me a courtesy copy, and didn't even notify me when the book was published.

Cryptomnesia

Even though I avoided Temple’s blog for years to prevent cryptomnesia,

Why did Hackethal stop avoiding my blog? Why did he start reading it again then use ideas that are on my blog for Veritula? He doesn't say. He should stay away. He seems to be admitting that he made an intentional decision to read my blog in the time period leading up to creating Veritula.

Cryptomnesia is when you remember ideas but you mistakenly think they're new thoughts, not memories. This can lead to accidental plagiarism. If Hackethal accidentally plagiarized, he could have apologized and fixed his book. Instead, he refused to discuss the matter, which is why I went public and blogged about it.

Also, he hasn't admitted to any cryptomnesia or accidental plagiarism. This doesn't work as a defense if you don't claim that it happened. He continues to deny me credit on purpose, and repeatedly attacks me, instead of saying he had a memory error and fixing it.

Can Teaching, Organizing or Presenting Be Plagiarized?

I didn’t plagiarize Temple on any of these points [related to Nick Bostrom]. Someone can reasonably claim to have been plagiarized only when they came up with the ideas in question. Those aren’t Temple’s ideas. They’re Deutsch’s. Temple takes credit for Deutsch’s ideas, in an article about how one shouldn’t take credit for other people’s ideas! At first I thought maybe Temple wanted credit for telling me about those ideas (“got from”). That would be unreasonable, even if he did tell me. You don’t need to credit your high-school math teacher every time you write about calculus. (Calculus is so widely known that you wouldn’t need to credit anyone, even its originators, but that’s not the point – it’s that your math teacher didn’t come up with it. You could credit him as a courtesy for teaching you, but it’s not plagiarism if you don’t.)

Teaching methods and ways of organizing or explaining ideas can be plagiarized because they can involve important, original knowledge. In general, any type of knowledge can be plagiarized.

For example, LearnCraft Spanish has a teaching method where they start with prepositions, conjunctions and grammar. They delay teaching nouns, verbs and adjectives until later. That's unusual. Their method also involves mixing English and Spanish words in the same sentence. Although they didn't invent Spanish, someone could still plagiarize their way of teaching Spanish.

If you write a book teaching calculus, you could easily plagiarize your calculus teacher. That's different than writing a book about another topic, e.g. physics, which uses calculus and expects readers to already know it.

Hackethal's book doesn't merely use ideas I taught him; it focuses on teaching or explaining philosophy ideas, and they're often the same ideas I taught Hackethal being explained in similar ways with similar words to how I explained them to him.

Also, in general, secondary sources can be plagiarized. Suppose Emily reads a lot but doesn't come up with any innovative new ideas. She writes a book sharing 50 interesting ideas from 50 different thinkers she read. She cites every idea correctly. Now Jacob comes along and reads Emily's book. He writes a book with the same 50 ideas and copies Emily's 50 citations but doesn't cite Emily. He has plagiarized Emily because he used her ideas and creative work without crediting her. She did thoughtful work to gather and present those ideas, and Jacob copied her results without citing his source. Her selection of 50 ideas had knowledge from her creativity and research, and that knowledge can be plagiarized. Jacob is pretending to have done research that he didn't do but Emily did; he's taking credit for her accomplishments.

Hackethal seems to be admitting ("Someone can reasonably claim to have been plagiarized only when they came up with the ideas in question.") that he would leave out citations for secondary sources, intentionally, because he (incorrectly) thinks that can't be plagiarism. Hackethal's denials of plagiarism don't mean much if he doesn't understand what plagiarism is.

Academics have written about secondary source plagiarism (1, 2, 3, 4), also called bypass plagiarism (5, 6). It's plagiarism to get a quote or fact from a secondary source, then copy the primary source citation from the secondary source without citing the secondary source (unless you get a copy of the primary source, read it yourself, and use material directly from it without using anything from the secondary source). And secondary sources frequently contain new knowledge that isn't in the primary source (e.g. additional analysis), so taking credit for that knowledge without citing the secondary source is also plagiarism, even if one acquires, reads and cites the primary source.

Hackethal seems to think that me not wanting to be secondary-source-plagiarized is unreasonable: "At first I thought maybe Temple wanted credit for telling me about those ideas (“got from”). That would be unreasonable, even if he did tell me." He's basically admitting that he would leave out citations to me on purpose because he thinks plagiarism only applies to some types of knowledge but not others. He thinks citing me when I am his source is an "unreasonable" request, whereas many academics would call not citing me "plagiarism". (To be clear, using me as an uncredited secondary source is only one of the concerns. He also appears to have used me as an uncredited primary source by using my original philosophical ideas about decisive arguments and binary evaluations for Veritula.)

AGI Alignment and Slavery

But then I saw that Temple claims in this video, in reference to alignment and slavery: “[T]hat’s my idea!” Then he backtracks a bit: “It’s implied by [Deutsch’s] ideas, but [he] didn’t publish it and I’m the one who told the world.” As for telling “the world”, consider that Temple’s video has 165 views almost five years later, which gives you an idea of how little of an audience he really has. Contrast that with Deutsch, who had, in fact, published the idea to around 21,000 followers in 2019, ie before I published my book. He also published it on Sam Harris’s podcast back in 2015, where I heard it years before I even knew Temple. And I know from personal conversations with Deutsch that he had that idea long before he appeared on Harris’s podcast. [no links omitted]

Hackethal says he got an idea (that he didn't cite a source for) from Deutsch, not me. He's debating who he plagiarized, not whether he plagiarized. His claim is that he never plagiarized anyone, so this defense is illogical.

While I did credit Deutsch in my unscripted video, I was skeptical then, and remain skeptical now, that Hackethal got this from Deutsch.

The issue isn't when Deutsch had the idea, but when and where he shared it, and where Hackethal got it. Hackethal often argues about irrelevant points (like when Deutsch privately thought of an idea), which may confuse readers about what the issues are.

The size of my audience is also irrelevant to whether Hackethal got the idea from me or Deutsch. Hackethal is in my audience. It doesn't matter if lots of other people didn't learn something from me if Hackethal did.

Having a small audience makes me more vulnerable to plagiarism since few people reading Hackethal's writing would be able to recognize when it plagiarizes me.

Hackethal participated in multiple discussions about these topics at my community before Deutsch published the 2019 tweet that Hackethal linked. As to the 2015 podcast, Hackethal couldn't have learned it then because Deutsch didn't say it there. Hackethal is (yet again) making false statements about his own sources.

In the podcast, Deutsch said that "shackling the AIs [AGIs] so that they won’t be able to get away from us and have different ideas" could lead to a "slave revolt". That doesn't explain the issue enough for someone to learn it. And it doesn't directly say AGIs are slaves, just ambiguously implies it for one extreme scenario (total suppression of different ideas and autonomy). Deutsch didn't say or imply that friendly AGI efforts in general are attempts at enslavement (they typically aim to prohibit some dangerous ideas, not prohibit all different ideas – the AGI being really smart and coming up with new and different scientific theories is actually part of the goal).

Deutsch's 2019 tweet, after Hackethal learned about these topics from me, says "Trying to shackle an AGI's thinking is slavery." That's ambiguous (what constitutes a shackle?) and isn't explained enough for anyone to learn much about this complex, difficult, unintuitive topic. Deutsch acknowledges that and his tweet also says he explained the issue in his essay in the book Possible Minds, but I checked and he didn't explain it there. By the way, I actually discussed Possible Minds with Hackethal, who was a beginner who needed a lot of help to try to understand material from that book.

Hackethal claims to have learned about AGI alignment and slavery from Deutsch's 2015 podcast appearance. I already discussed that Deutsch didn't share the idea then. But also, in a 2019 post at my forum titled "Friendly AI [AGI]", Hackethal began "Elliot and I talked about this and decided it would be interesting to start a thread about it and see what other people think." There is written documentation about how and where Hackethal learned this stuff.

In our conversation, Hackethal made it clear he hadn't learned it in 2015 or at any time prior to 2019 because he disagreed with it (or didn't understand the topic enough to know what his claims meant): "As I currently understand it, the AI [AGI] is an explainer, but has no capacity for emotions." In a response I said "I think [the AGI would] have preferences – it wouldn't want to do some things. And it'd want to be paid for work it does, not work for free. It'd be a person." Hackethal replied making it clear to me that he didn't understand enslaving an AGI was possible: "Again, you speak in terms of preferences and wants, which are all emotions." He didn't think an AGI could want or not want to do some actions, or could want to be paid for its work. He didn't see AGIs as being full people that are the same as human beings (I also brought up to him that AGIs could have teachers just like human children do). You can't enslave something that doesn't prefer anything over anything else – that's like "enslaving" a rock, grass, or an NPC in a present-day video game like World of Warcraft.

Unlike me, Deutsch, Hackethal's book or Hackethal's current view, Hackethal in 2019 thought animals had features that AGIs wouldn't: "Many animals have preferences". I responded with links to some of my material that disagreed with him about animals. He used some of that material, which I shared in that email, in his book. Other people also responded arguing with him. It looks like we changed his mind, particularly me (I made many essays and videos about this, which influenced the other posters too).

A year after these conversations, Hackethal published a book where he now agreed with and explained theories he'd argued against and/or been ignorant of when he joined my community. Unlike Deutsch, I covered the topics extensively in public. Hackethal claims citing me would be unnecessary even if he did learn these things from me because I learned some of these ideas in private conversations with Deutsch. Even if that were correct, Hackethal should still cite the source he got ideas from, even if it's a secondary source, and he could also cite Deutsch or share speculations about Deutsch. Hackethal doesn't actually know what was said in my private conversations with Deutsch: he doesn't know what I learned from Deutsch, what Deutsch learned from me, and what Deutsch and I disagree about. Instead of basing citation decisions on speculations about other people's private conversations, you're supposed to cite the sources that you actually used (and optionally add additional notes, comments or cites if you think they're relevant). It sounds like Hackethal knows he learned these ideas from me and he's making bad excuses for intentionally not citing me.

Since none of the sources Hackethal brought up regarding AGI alignment actually teach the idea, they seem to be excuses made up after the fact, not where he really learned it, which I still think was from me. But even if Hackethal somehow learned it from Deutsch (or someone else he didn't cite), that would still be plagiarism, since he gave these Deutsch sources in his February 2025 blog post, not his March 2020 book.

Smears

I have more examples of Temple’s use of others’ ideas without credit, but I think I’ve given enough. There are pages upon pages filled with what Temple would consider actual plagiarism, on his own blog and some of his other websites.

Plagiarism involves taking credit for inventing ideas, not just using them without credit. Hackethal doesn't seem to understand the difference. Suppose I write "If you find any errors in my essay, please send me corrections." Then I'm using fallibilism, an idea which I learned about from Karl Popper and David Deutsch, but it's OK not to cite them when I write that sentence. Although my sentence doesn't credit them, it wouldn't be plagiarism because it doesn't take credit for inventing fallibilism.

Overall, Hackethal wrote a lot about plagiarism but barely any of it even tried to defend his book. He made many false claims about my opinions. He put words in my mouth in order to attack me. He had the opportunity to discuss with me what I consider plagiarism and why but he declined. He could have learned about plagiarism by Googling it or he could have done a better job reading what I said about it. Instead, he's smearing me by lying about what I think. This is a way to attack me and avoid saying what he thinks plagiarism is or how he evaluates what is or isn't plagiarism.

Instead of analyzing his book using a standard of plagiarism he believes is correct, he analyzed my blog using a standard of plagiarism he believes is incorrect. This falsely implied that my criticisms of his book used the incorrect standard that he misattributed to me.

He also wrote tens of thousands of words about me on other topics besides plagiarism. The pattern there is also DARVO: he mostly attacks me instead of trying to defend his own actions.

Also, Hackethal's many examples of my writing that "Temple would consider actual plagiarism" are absurd. I'll briefly discuss two:

I discussed ideas from the book The Beginning of Infinity in a post to the The Beginning of Infinity forum (reposted to my blog with attribution). The credit is in the forum name. Hackethal says I would consider that plagiarism, but I wouldn't.

Another of Hackethal's examples is that I used Ayn Rand's concept of an "active mind" in a post which names Rand approximately 21 times, quotes four passages where she talked about "active mind", and cites those quotes to "Ayn Rand's Philosophical Detection, from Philosophy: Who Needs It". Hackethal falsely claims that I would consider that plagiarism. I'm not joking. His examples are that bad. (Thank you Jarrod for pointing this out.)

Copyright

I said Hackethal's book violated my copyright. It was only a small amount of text, but it did violate my rights and provide two particularly clear examples of plagiarism (because he used my words instead of just my ideas). It wasn't a major copyright concern (if he had credited me, then I would have considered it fair use), but he keeps falsely telling people that I'm unreasonably picky and aggressive about copyright.

What was his defense of his book? He said the copyright complaint only applied to a small amount of his book and he attacked me at length. Instead of giving a view of copyright which he thinks is correct and evaluating his book using that view, he instead evaluated my writing using a view of copyright which he thinks is incorrect. He falsely attributed the incorrect view of copyright to me and called me a hypocrite.

Context

Hackethal wrote a book which says it offers a "bold new explanation" and "unparalleled insight". In this context, readers will reasonably assume ideas the book explains (which aren't common knowledge) were invented by Hackethal unless he credits someone else.

I wrote blog posts. I was open about being inspired by David Deutsch, who I talked about frequently. I wrote about Deutsch's ideas, and other ideas, for many years, without claiming to have important new ideas of my own. This is normal. Many bloggers don't have important new ideas. They're just trying to think and write about interesting topics. That can be worthwhile even without bold new explanations or unparalleled insight.

In that kind of blogging context, if an idea is mentioned without a citation, readers may not assume the blogger invented it. It depends. If explaining an idea is the main focus of a post, then the blogger should generally say where they got it, but even if they don't, readers may not assume it's original if there are no claims to originality. With Critical Fallibilism, I often clearly state when I think something is an important new idea that I developed.

I have also written forum posts, emails, Reddit comments, Tweets, Facebook messages, and so on. Do I cite everything in those informal contexts? No. If you're writing a YouTube comment, the context is so informal that people might not even believe you if you said you were sharing an important, original idea.

Not providing a source and taking credit for something are different. A book, a blog or a social media comment are different contexts. Readers judge by context what people are taking credit for. In books, especially books that claim to be sharing important, original ideas, readers tend to see any idea which is explained but not cited (and isn't common knowledge) as the author's idea.

Other context matters too, like treating different sources differently. If some thinkers gets many cites, and others don't, why is there a double standard? Having a lot of cites for some thinkers implies to readers that you're using citations, which makes the other cites being left out more misleading than it would be if there were no cites.

Another part of context is how an author would respond to questions. If someone asks me whether I invented fallibilism, I'll say that no, I learned about it from Popper and Deutsch. Although I sometimes talk about fallibilism in informal contexts without citing anyone, I don't intend to take credit for it. By contrast, Hackethal hasn't responded to my complaints by clarifying that he got a bunch of ideas from me (instead he attacked me). In addition to not putting various cites in his book, he also doesn't provide them when people ask. He seems to be intentionally claiming to have originated some ideas, which is different than merely neglecting to include some citations.

Hackethal wrote in a more formal context than me, said his book had a lot of important, original ideas (making that the default expectation for ideas the book presents without citations which aren't common knowledge), cited a lot of other ideas, and used significantly different citation policies for different sources. Then, when concerns were raised, he still refused to tell people that he learned a lot of it from me. And then Hackethal did similar behavior again, making it potentially a pattern. These contextual factors are different for Hackethal's book compared with my blog posts (and his complaints about my blog posts, like the "active mind" complaint, are ridiculous anyway).

Misquoting

When Hackethal writes about me, he makes many false statements. When I check his sources, I often find errors. You can't trust anything he presents as factual, even when he gives quotes and sources. This analysis is intended as an example to illustrate how none of his passages or claims are trustworthy.

When criticizing others, including me, Temple’s stance on plagiarism is: “Plagiarism is taking credit for ideas or writing that isn’t yours.” He says the name of the originator of an idea should be “in the main text” and “not just in the [end]note […].” He explains his stance further: “The appropriate action is to credit [the originator] by name in the main text every time one of [their] major ideas is introduced, at minimum.” He does not define “major”. “[I]ntentional malice is clear” to him when an originator is not credited “even once”. [no links omitted]

The first quote is correct. But the rest are taken out of context and presented misleadingly. He chops up my writing. Some of his paraphrases are wrong. He quotes from four separate sections of my essay but presents it as my stance on plagiarism, as if all the other quotes are my elaboration on the first quote, but they aren't. He presents me as making generic claims about principles when most of what he quotes is actually commentary on specific cases.

He [Temple] explains his stance [on plagiarism in general] further: “The appropriate action is to credit [the originator] by name in the main text every time one of [their] major ideas is introduced, at minimum.”

These quotes are from a different section. They aren't elaboration of my stance on plagiarism. I wrote about one book's treatment of one thinker, not any originator:

Besides the list of plagiarized DD [David Deutsch] topics above, all the other DD topics in the book are also plagiarized, since they aren’t some of the few topics where credit was given.

The appropriate action is to credit DD by name in the main text every time one of DD’s major ideas is introduced, at minimum.

Hackethal misquoted me by changing my comment about how a specific book should have treated Deutsch to a universal claim about how all writing should treat all originators of ideas. When I comment on specific cases, I take into account evidence and context, and I wouldn't necessarily reach the same conclusion about a different case.

Another way of looking at it is that Hackethal is presenting of my arguments as my complete, exhaustive reasoning, when they aren't and I never said they were. He even does that when I indicate incompleteness using clear words like "for example", as we'll get to soon.

He [Temple] says [as part of his general stance on plagiarism] the name of the originator of an idea should be “in the main text” and “not just in the [end]note […].”

These quotes come from a different essay section and aren't an elaboration on the definition of plagiarism that Hackethal put them after.

Hans Hass gets his name in the main text of the book too, not just in the note, as is appropriate. But ET’s [Elliot Temple's] name isn’t in the book once.

I commented on a specific passage involving Hans Hass. I didn't present a general rule that applies to all writing, as Hackethal misled his readers to believe. That's why I put it in a different section, not the section where I stated my general stance on plagiarism.

“[I]ntentional malice is clear” to him when an originator is not credited “even once”.

Hackethal misquotes me as saying you can always conclude malice when one specific piece of evidence (zero credit) is present. What I actually wrote was:

DH’s intentional malice is clear because, for example, ET’s name literally isn’t in the book even once, even though it’s packed with ET’s ideas. Details for all of these points are covered below.

I said a particular individual's malice was clear due to multiple pieces of evidence. I said "for example" and gave two pieces of evidence (name not present even once and many ideas from the same person present). I said I'd give more details later because this is from yet another section of my essay, the introduction.

Hackethal left out the "for example", my second piece of evidence, and that more details were given later. My second piece of evidence was also grammatically and logically linked to the first, not independent, which makes leaving it out even worse. He misquoted me by inserting an inaccurate paraphrase between two partial sentence quotes and leaving out key information from the same sentence.

To summarize, Hackethal quoted from four sections of my essay and falsely presents them as coming from one section with all the later quotes elaborating on the first one. He misquoted me as making generic claims when I talked about specific individuals and passages. His selective quoting and inaccurate paraphrasing hides what I actually said by leaving out names of specific individuals, changing specific claims to universal claims, and omitting key words like "for example".

Interestingly, these types of misquotes would be evaluated as correct quotations by Hackethal's Quote Checker tool. His approach to evaluating quotes pedantically focuses on changes to letters or whitespace, but it misses changes of meaning. He doesn't check whether quotes are introduced accurately or taken out of context. He doesn't check whether paraphrases inside square brackets or in quotation-adjacent text are accurate. Those things can't be checked mechanically; it takes creativity to evaluate them well. Hackethal focuses on issues that can be checked mechanically with simple software, but misquoting meanings is more important than misquoting wordings. Hackethal is also pedantic enough to call valid style choices misquotes, like not putting ellipses at the start or end of some quotes where they're optional. Hackethal presents himself as caring a lot about quotation accuracy, and he usually gets wordings right, but he often gets meanings wrong.

Conclusion

Hackethal still hasn't really attempted to defend his book against my 2020 plagiarism accusations. He didn't quote and analyze his book passages and talk about where he got the ideas. He didn't put up blog posts explaining which ideas I originated. He didn't attempt to thoughtfully discuss what plagiarism is. Instead, he used a DARVO strategy and attacked me as a hypocrite using misquoted straw man claims about what I supposedly consider plagiarism.

Hackethal also still hasn't provided basic timeline information like when he started planning or writing his book. He's been unhelpful regarding my concerns.

Why do I still care about this issue from years ago? Hackethal extensively attacked me in 2025, including this plagiarism DARVO. He said he won't stop, doesn't appear to have stopped, and also has been encouraging others to attack me too (including blatant defamation). He also non-consensually published photos of me which I didn't give him, which he didn't take, and which weren't available online before he published them. He's still selling the problematic book and he started using my Critical Fallibilism ideas for his Veritula website without crediting me. Also, illogically, Hackethal and some of his associates have been going around the internet falsely telling people that I'm a plagiarist (even though his own blog post claims I'm not a plagiarist, merely a hypocrite). Hackethal and his fans have recently followed me and my fans to multiple third party websites to disrupt our conversations that weren't about him.

Hackethal now has fans who think he has innovative ideas but I don't. In some cases I invented the idea and in other cases I invented a way of explaining the idea but not the idea itself (which Hackethal also didn't invent). Instead of telling people the truth, he's gone to great lengths trying to discredit me. One of his fans (who I'm not naming as a courtesy, but I'd be happy to name and credit if he requests attribution), recently told me the following:

I'd recommend creating something of significant value - like writing an extremely interesting book or blog post that gains the attention and respect from a log of reputable people (Dennis [Hackethal] and [David] Deutsch have several works like this). This is how you create a good reputation, not by emailing people telling them that someone they respect stole your idea. You seem to attempt to protect something that doesn't exist (at least in my eyes).

This person incorrectly believes that I didn't originate any significant ideas while Hackethal did. He believes that if I did good work then I'd get credit. He doesn't seem to understand that I already developed new philosophy ideas  and Hackethal is writing about my original ideas without crediting me. Hackethal hired me to teach him on paid calls and now people think he, not I, originated ideas I taught him.

Also, I asked that fan "Are you willing to discuss what’s true?" at which point he responded "Please do not email me again about this." This shows the sort of hostility and irrationality that Hackethal has been working to create. No one from his side has ever been willing to attempt to have a reasonable discussion to resolve any of the conflict.

With misquotes, my primary concern is whether the meaning is accurate, not whether a tab was changed to four spaces. With plagiarism, my primary concern is that Hackethal is misleading people, not the exact number, wording and location of citations. Hackethal's dozens of false claims about pedantic details can distract from the issues that matter most.


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Dennis Hackethal Explains That He Didn't DDoS My Website

In 2020, my blog, curi.us, was DDoSed for the first time around 45 hours after I sent Dennis Hackethal an email he didn't like. DDoSing is a crime involving breaking websites by sending malicious information to them over the internet.

Based on the timing, I suspected that the DDoS was retaliation for my upcoming blog post about Hackethal's book plagiarizing me. I'd emailed Hackethal a draft. I was DDoSed shortly before I published that post. I asked Hackethal for information, and he did have information which would have been helpful, but he didn't respond.

I only intended to call Hackethal a suspect. I found out four years later that he felt like I called him a criminal and that he was very upset. But he ignored my offer to change what I said and he didn't provide specifics. A year later, when he attacked me on his blog, the attacks included enough details for me to clarify that I wasn't calling him a criminal. In response, he attacked me more and even accused me of lying about taking anything down or making edits, which is weird since I did and it's easy to check.

In 2024, Hackethal told me:

For clarity: my denial of all criminal allegations means I did not DoS your website, nor do I know anyone who did.

As far as I can tell, he wants me to consider him a non-suspect because, four years later, he said he didn't do it. Also, if he doesn't know who did it, then why is he confident that the perpetrator isn't someone he knows (like Andy B, who left hundreds of harassing comments on my blog)?

Hackethal commented further in Feb 2025:

I wasn’t obligated to help him [Elliot Temple] investigate crimes.

I said that people should judge Hackethal negatively if he won't cooperate with my DDoS investigation. He says that me complaining about his silence was me coercively mistreating him.

If someone committed a crime while trying to defend or help me, I'd want to investigate and find out who did it so I could ban them from my community. I'd also make a statement asking people not to do that. Hackethal didn't seem to want to know who did it, nor did he make a statement asking his audience not to do it (and it actually happened a few more times; it wasn't just a one-time problem).

It wouldn’t have made any sense for me to do it anyway – even if one were to take his site down, he would just repair it and publish the post later, only with additional fervor, or post it somewhere else with better defenses in the meantime.

Yeah. I also didn't think DDoSing my blog made sense. I presumed the perpetrator was emotionally upset, not a criminal mastermind. Hackethal later said he was, and still is, extremely emotionally upset about my blog.

Temple himself reached out to several people with his plagiarism complaint about me

Hackethal seems to be saying that maybe one of his associates, who I contacted about the plagiarism issue (e.g. David Deutsch), DDoSed me. But Hackethal also says no one he knows did it. Also, Hackethal says that if they did talk about the plagiarism dispute with anyone then "they would never have done so with malicious intent – they’re good people".

Further, Temple already had a history of publishing disparaging blog posts about people.

Maybe the timing was a coincidence. It could have been someone I criticized in the past.

An associate of mine had told me months prior that TheRat had shown him “how to see” Temple’s Discord logs.

In the logs, I shared that I had an upcoming blog post accusing Hackethal's book of plagiarism.

Hackethal acknowledges that TheRat is one of the identities I linked to Andy B, who cyberstalked and harassed me. Hackethal knew that Andy B, after being banned from my Discord server on multiple identities, was stalking me via Justin's Discord archives. Hackethal knew that I considered Andy B a suspect for DDoSing me. But he didn't share this evidence until 2025 (when he started publicly attacking me; he didn't send me this information). I would have liked to know back in 2020 how much I was being stalked, by who, and by what methods.

I think Hackethal would say that he was under no legal obligation to help in any way when someone he was having ongoing conversations with was committing crimes against me (whether Andy B DDoSed or not, he committed other crimes). I'm not a lawyer and I don't know what was said in Hackethal's conversations with Andy B. Even if it's legal, I do think friendly chats with criminals can encourage them.

Who could have DDoSed besides Hackethal or Andy B? Hackethal proposes a different theory:

anyone could have read the chat log

Justin's archives of my Discord server weren't password protected. Anyone could have found them, read them, and been mad about my upcoming blog post accusing Hackethal of plagiarism.

Around seven months later, one of the anonymous comments on Hackethal's blog proposed another theory:

Maybe Elliot put malicious code on his own site to frame innocent visitors. Wouldn’t surprise me atp [at this point]. Or he’s just an incompetent coder

This comment was inspired by Hackethal's theory that my website instructs visitors' web browsers to send thousands of requests per hour while they have one of my pages open.

Hackethal said he noticed his own browser sending thousands of requests per hour to my blog in May 2025, but he didn't investigate or take steps to stop sending those requests. Sending thousands of requests is the main part of DoSing a website, so he shouldn't have ignored the problem. DoS stands for denial of service. In 2025, he didn't send enough requests to deny service (I didn't notice my website go down), so those requests weren't a DoS. A DDoS means the requests are distributed (come from multiple computers), but he didn't mention these requests being distributed, and a non-distributed DoS is still a crime.

In September 2025, Hackethal decided to publicly blame me for the thousands of requests he's been knowingly sending to my site. I guess it didn't occur to him that it could be his own fault and that the same thing isn't happening for other people who visit my website. He's a software developer who should have the technical skill to investigate what's going on with these requests and stop sending them.

Maybe Hackethal is sending thousands of requests to every website he visits. Maybe he got angry and set up DoS tools in 2020 but didn't go through with it (someone else DDoSed me), but he didn't fully remove the DoS tools from his computer and they accidentally activated in 2025. Maybe his computer started glitching out in 2025, just on my blog, and that's completely unrelated to the DoSing. Maybe there's a bug with my website code that affects Hackethal even though I (and others) can't reproduce it. Since he won't cooperate in my investigation or provide details about the requests, I don't know what happened.

Since admitting to sending thousands of requests to my website is such a weird thing for Hackethal to have posted, especially when he's touchy about the topic of DoSes, here's a screenshot:

Hackethal screenshot

That's not the only weird thing:

Last I checked, Elliot banned Justin from his forum a while back, but Justin still checks it every few days like a rejected puppy. (You can see the ‘last seen’ timestamp or whatever it’s called on Justin’s profile.)

My forum doesn't share members' login frequencies. It shows the single most recent login time, not their history. To identify behavior patterns, you have to check their latest login timestamp repeatedly and record or remember that information. To know that someone logs in every few days, you have to check on them at least every few days yourself.

I changed my forum settings to try to block Hackethal from stalking members. After I made the change, later the same day, someone accessed my forum over 1,000 times. Hackethal also reported my change publicly:

Temple has since blocked the public from viewing user profiles on his forum:

And he shared a screenshot of himself trying unsuccessfully to view Justin's profile.

Here are the user profile views per week for my forum:

User profile views chart

They go up a lot in 2024 shortly before Hackethal's lawyers contacted me. They stay elevated, go up more in early 2025 shortly before Hackethal blogged about me, and drop off after I restricted access.


Hackethal talked about sending thousands of requests to my blog in May 2025. Reviewing the logs, I found an IP address that he may have used to send 13,389 requests with automated tools in under a day (which is rude but I think it's legal because it didn't crash the website or deny service). I suspect he uses many IP addresses, and I found evidence connecting this IP to others, but let's look at just this one IP. Here are the request counts from that IP address by hour and by URL:

Date Hour (UTC) Request Count
09/May/202518:00467
09/May/202519:00964
09/May/202520:00522
09/May/202521:00787
09/May/202522:00714
09/May/202523:00749
10/May/202500:00706
10/May/202501:00580
10/May/202502:00851
10/May/202503:00939
10/May/202504:00669
10/May/202505:00708
10/May/202506:00837
10/May/202507:00677
10/May/202508:00698
10/May/202509:00567
10/May/202510:001003
10/May/202511:00556
10/May/202512:00395
Total Requests (18 consecutive hours) 13389
Request Path Request Count
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Total Requests 10904

Many request paths in the table are broken. Sending hundreds of requests to the same URL, to repeatedly download the identical data, also seems like an error. There were another 2,485 broken requests. They were similar to each other, but each was slightly differently, so I left them out of the table. That makes the request totals between the two tables match. Overall, these requests suggest that someone was careless with the buggy code that they used to send over 13,000 automated requests to my blog in May 2025.

This IP address (64.23.154.143) is owned by Digital Ocean, a cloud server provider. After I already suspected this IP address was Hackethal's and did the analysis above, I also found that Hackethal hosts at least three of his websites on Digital Ocean. Digital Ocean is a popular provider which many people use, including me.

The reason I suspect this IP address was Hackethal's is because he claimed to have sent thousands of requests to my blog in May 2025. I looked for those requests and found this abnormal behavior. I specifically looked for someone loading the same page over and over, rather than scraping the whole site, since that seemed like the best fit for what Hackethal said. And these requests appear to fit well into the ongoing pattern of his behavior. He's made multiple comments about monitoring me, my websites and my community members.

The next month, in June 2025, I received 840,716 requests from the Scrapy user agent (used for Python scripts), compared to under 100 the previous month, the next month, and almost every month in general. That isn't part of the general traffic from scrapers and bots that I (and other websites) get every month. That's a lot of requests. Was that Hackethal?

Did Hackethal set up his computer or a cloud server to automatically access user profiles thousands of times and save the data? Did he monitor my forum members that way for around a year? Did he send over 13,000 requests to my website using automated tools in May 2025? Did he use Scrapy to send over 800,000 requests in June 2025? Could his potential use of automation tools in 2025 have anything to do with the 2020 DDoSes or with his own claim about sending thousands of requests per hour to my blog in 2025? I don't know and Hackethal isn't legally obligated to answer my questions.


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Lulie Tanett and Dennis Hackethal Doxed Me

Lulie Tanett doxed me by giving private photographs of me, taken by her, to Dennis Hackethal, the bully who plagiarized me and threatened to sue me then blogged tens of thousands of words attacking me. Hackethal doxed me by publishing some of those photos on his website and social media while calling me a dangerous cult leader.

I don't share my photo online for privacy reasons, which Tanett and Hackethal know. One of Hackethal's audience members couldn't find my photo online and wrote: "elliot is such a creep, clearly unhinged and dangerous person, you'd be doing the public a service by posting his pics". That doesn't sound like a safe online troll to give my photos to.

Someone in my audience said they were terrified by the escalation to doxing (people besides me have been targeted with harassment). Hackethal blamed their terror on me (for allegedly lying about Hackethal, thus provoking him I guess – like "I wouldn't have hit you if you hadn't angered me"). Hackethal continued, "If you’re on the side of the law and peace, you have nothing to fear from me." Then his next sentence accused the person of libeling him by expressing terror about the doxing. Libel is illegal, so he seems to be saying they're not on the side of law and peace and should fear him. He's often accused me of breaking the law too. Overall, his erratic, escalating behavior is worrying.

This is the kind of threatening harassment which Tanett is aiding.

Tanett and I had a verbal agreement about the purpose and private nature of the photos. I wouldn't have allowed her to take the photos otherwise. Giving them to a harasser breaches our agreement and violates her limited license for use of the photos.

The location the photos were taken at is identifiable. After people already saw them, Hackethal cropped the online photos, making the location hard to identify.

We were friends for years, so it's a hurtful betrayal that Lulie Tanett doxed me. I don't know who else she doxed me to or what other personal information she shared with Hackethal. She hasn't responded to emails about this. As the photographer, Tanett holds the copyright and has the power to get the photos taken down with DMCA takedown requests, but she hasn't.

This is evidence that I was right that Lulie Tanett and others associated with my former mentor, David Deutsch, were working behind the scenes to harass me and encourage harassment of me. I made that claim in 2020 and I was doxed in 2025. Tanett is one of Deutsch's closest friends and Hackethal was the translator for the German version of Deutsch's book, The Beginning of Infinity. It's been around ten years since my last conversation with Tanett, since the photos were taken, and since she was a member of my online philosophy community. She needs to stop attacking me.

I reached out to Tanett for comment on a draft of this post; she didn't respond.

If Tanett, Deutsch or Hackethal has said negative things about me to you, please email me at curi@curi.us to share what was said. Additional evidence and documentation can help me protect myself.


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